Medicare for All Would Result in Better Health

BY JESSICA WELLS

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The major error made by the Government on all Entitlement Programs was not creating individual accounts.

It looks like John Misiaszek went to the same math school as Elizabeth Warren. How he arrived at $35,248.30 as my total Medicare contributions over my 35 year career is beyond me but it’s nice that he calculated it to the penny. But as is typical for people of his persuasion, he missed the entire point of this part of my column. How much my employer and I paid in taxes is a side issue, although it is true that I paid those taxes for 35 years (a lot more than $35,248.30) and Sanders and Warren want to give to everyone even if they haven’t paid any taxes. But the main point is that Sanders and Warren want you to believe that Medicare for All will pay all your medical expenses, which is completely false. Based on my personal costs, which I included in my column, I paid medical expenses of $17,629 last year, even after having paid Medicare taxes for 35 years. Medicare for All is a fraud which will destroy the quality of your medical care and break the country financially.

It looks like John Misiaszek went to the same math school as Elizabeth Warren. How he arrived at $35,248.30 as my total Medicare contributions over my 35 year career is beyond me but it’s nice that he calculated it to the penny. But as is typical for people of his persuasion, he missed the entire point of this part of my column. How much my employer and I paid in taxes is a side issue, although it is true that I paid those taxes for 35 years (a lot more than $35,248.30) and Sanders and Warren want to give to everyone even if they haven’t paid any taxes. But the main point is that Sanders and Warren want you to believe that Medicare for All will pay all your medical expenses, which is completely false. Based on my personal costs, which I included in my column, I paid medical expenses of $17,629 last year, even after having paid Medicare taxes for 35 years. Medicare for All is a fraud which will destroy the quality of your medical care and break the country financially.

Mr.Rowerdink,

Assuming you earned and paid in at the max for your entire 35 year career, you and your employer paid a total of $35,248.30 into the Medicare system. You've been receiving benefits for 10 years under the system so far. Not too bad ! I'd bet there a lot of people who'd like to make that one time payment, even after an adjustment for the cost of money over time, to be able to participate in the medicare system.

Richard Wright

I would love for you to provide the math used for you calculation. Each employee pays 1.45% of there wages (no limit) each year. The employer contributes a like amount. On a salary of $100000 the total would be $2900 per year. Twenty years - $58000. Now I do not know what Mr. Rowderdink made during his lifetime but I suspect he paid more than $35000 -- and that he continues to pay today probably $4800 a year for him and his wife. Remember, many paid less and a few paid more. But the issue is not just how much is required but what incentive is taken from the health care professionals when the government declares what each service costs, who can get that service and what professional specialities are needed. The UK and Canadian systems are strained, particularly in services than are elective and not emergency. Still many lives are lost each year because the waiting lists for certain procedures are lengthy. Prefer what you may but let's not tell me what I want.

Today each employee

Today each employee pays 1.45% and there is most certainly a limit on wages subject to the calculation. Early rates in Mr. Rowerdink's career, those included my calculation, were much lower as were the wage ceilings against which those payments were determined. Those rates and ceilings are available on line. I certainly am not opposed to anyone having private insurance if they are fortunate enough to be able to afford it with or without employer subsidy. My point is, gov't insurance does in fact work for many,many of us. Again,it's the working poor who are without coverage and I don't happen to be among those who believe that to be OK. Also, I don't believe I told you what you want, if it came across that way I'm sorry.

John Misiaszek

Conrad Meyer

So John, how do you propose we pay for this ginormous medical boondoggle?

Actually, the medicare tax does continue to be imposed at the rate of 9/10 ths of 1% above the first $200,000 of an individuals annual earnings. $9 / $1,000 of earnings.

Not sure where you got your numbers but they are way off. People and their employers pay hundreds of thousands of dollars into Medicare. Last I checked each employee will contribute a little over $100,000 towards medicare and their employers roughly the same amount. Each person that reaches age 65 will spend an average of $465,000 on medicare health care dollars, most in the last 6 months of life.

From Politifact:

"According to the institute’s data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage — $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars — and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes."

One thing is certain, we get a lot more out of Medicare than we contribute which explains (a) why people love Medicare and (b) why it is not financially sustainable.

We were talking about what Mr. Rowerdink would have paid into medicare not what workers today would pay. He paid in nowhere near $100,000 to medicare. How do we pay for a system that will cover the working poor? I'm not sure, but I do believe the $2 Trillion we've spent in Afghanistan over the last 19 years would have made some impact. I'm guessing tax advantages granted for dividend income vs. wage income,if changed,could help. I'm guessing adjusting inheritance taxes and step up in basis granted to stock portfolios left to heirs could help. I'm guessing being able to negotiate drug prices by medicare could help. etc.

Medical care is a service just like any other, and it isn’t free. Government meddling in what should be a free market has caused the costs to rise. Medicare, like Social Security, is a giant Ponzi scheme and should be terminated.

You first. I like my medicare.

John Misiaszek

Jessica Wells

Hi Kent,

I’m not sure if you saw, but I actually just wrote a column addressing this topic. Unfortunately, our current medical care industry is not governed by the “free market” but rather has been captured and distorted by special interests and corporations. Have a great day!

Mr. Rowerdink, You did not pay a 1.45% medicare tax rate over your entire career. It was much lower in our early employment years, yours and mine. Further, the base on which that tax was paid was also significantly lower in our early days of employment than it is today. Because we paid in so relatively little for our current medicare coverage, perhaps there should be a means test on current recipients to make funds available for those not covered by health insurance. Also, who are those people generally? It's not us old guys,we have medicare. It's not the poorest among us,they have medicaid. It's the working poor. I don't remember the numbers off hand,but it's those earning maybe less than $40,000 per year, and more than $30,000 per year who's employer doesn't provide health insurance for them. You may know some of these people. They may help you with your groceries. They may serve you at your favorite restaurant. They may wait on you in some local retail outlet.

John Misiaszek

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