"Dusty Rhodes - myth about Thomas Jefferson" by onymon

Dusty Rhodes - myth about Thomas Jefferson

Blog: onymon

October 4, 2011

Dusty Rhodes of the Pilot should check his facts a bit better. He is obviously against believing fables; however, the irony of using a fable that he believes in order to make his point against believing in fables is classic "The Pilot" fare. The "Letter to Dr. Woods" he “quotes” to prop up the fable that Thomas Jefferson believed Christianity to be a superstition “of no redeeming value” and “founded upon fables and mythology” can only be found “quoted” in the book “Six Historic Americans” written by John E. Remsburg in 1906. The “letter” is nowhere to be found because it is itself a myth and a fable. Dusty has done nothing but expose himself as the atheist he is. It is no wonder that he despises the simple fact that “Government always reflects the faith and beliefs of the people” which is at the core of what Dwight Creech wrote. After all, atheists have made much “progress” against Christianity and are near their goal of eradicating them from the political process. The atheists tool of “political correctness” has convinced many churches to make God subject to their brabbling “public opinion”. “Separation of Church and State” is just separation of Christians from the political process and Dusty knows that. He certainly thinks government should reflect his own beliefs; but, not those of people he believes are believers in myths and fables, Christians. Any effort to disenfranchise Christians from the political process because of their faith in the God of the Bible is and ought to be a crime. Violators should be prosecuted… but they are not. BTW “American Taliban”???? Are you serious? Typical atheist.

sgmartin 1 year, 7 months ago

More character assassination. BTW, what if he is an atheist? So what? Not sure of your point. Are you really as ignorant as your letter suggests? I take it you have a problem with separation of church and state.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

  -- The First Amendment

teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago

So what???????????????????????? That's your first problem.......................

Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago

onymon - If you are going to Dis someone in print, the least you can do is spell his name correctly.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

My point exactly. I mean, check out the end of onymon's post...he/she wants to make dissenting form his/her view a prosecutable offense.

This person does nothing but prove my point about those who would make themselves an American Taliban. complete with religious police.

teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago

Well said. Meant for scotlass.

teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago

O.o

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

And for the record, I'm not an atheist. Not even an agnostic. Although morons like "onymon" do cause me to doubt the existence of an intelligent designer.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

Okay, I have checked the UVA and Monticello websites for the opinions of actual researchers, and it seems that they do regard the "fables and mythologies" quote as "spurious." So I'll retract that one, with my apologies, and substitute these:

1787 August 10. (Jefferson to Peter Carr). "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."

1802 January 1. (Jefferson to the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut). "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[10]

1803 April 21. (Jefferson to Benjamin Rush). "To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."

1813 May 31. (Jefferson to Richard Rush). "...the subject of religion, a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his maker, in which no other, & far less the public, had a right to intermeddle."

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

1814 September 26. (Jefferson to Miles King). "I must ever believe that religion substantially good which produces an honest life, and we have been authorized by One whom you and I equally respect, to judge of the tree by its fruit. Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life ti know whether your or mine, our friends or our foes, are exactly the right."

1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs

In short, judging from the verified quotes, Thomas Jefferson would still regard the anonymous onymon as a an "enemy to the doctrine of Jesus."

So, dear onymon, you seem to have won a minor battle, yet lost the war.

Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago

1975 (Jefferson to Florence): "If I paid you to think, you could cash your check at the penny arcade."

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

I think that's a different Jefferson. :-)

Roorke 1 year, 7 months ago

Man-made government has always been against the laws of a creator God since the Tower of Babel. Government's goal is always the more powerful person or group over another. As Jesus said and is recorded in John 15:18 ''If the world hate you, ye know that it hated ME before it hated you.'' and again in John16:33 ''These things I have spoken unto you, that in ME ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world''. Christ Jesus won the war, and those that do not accept Jesus as Lord will be lost forever.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

You know, Roorke, your attempt to spread the message of Christ would be a lot more convincing if you hadn't previously posted hateful crap like "liberals will be the next concentration camp guards." It's so-called "Christians" like you and onymon who drive people away from God, because they think "if being a Christian means being around a-holes like that, count me out.'

Roorke 1 year, 7 months ago

So sorry you feel that way. There is always time to repent.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

And maybe you should re-read Jesus' words about motes and beams.

Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago

One man's holy scripture is to another a collection of fairy tales.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

Here's something not a lot of people know: in my early teens. I actually attended Mr. Creech's church. I even got "saved." Carried one of those little New Testaments around with me everywhere I went.

It took a couple of years (and some reading, and the intercession of concerned parents) for me to see this group for the hate-cult it was, a place far more defined by what it was against (basically everything not-them) than what it was for. So I know whereof I speak when I posted that the shorter version of Mr. Creech's letter was "every church sucks but mine." And I want no part of any so-called "Heaven" where I'd have to hobnob with the likes of Roorke, onymon, and MikeNC for eternity. That sounds more like Hell to me.

I sure as heck don't want this fanatic hate- cult running my government, with people who'd put me in jail for advocating the separation of church and state at the helm.

Yukonjohn 1 year, 7 months ago

Dusty, on this issue, we are in total agreement!! That is why, as a strict fiscal conservative, and yet, off the charts libertarian on social issues, the last thing I want to see is a right wing religious zealot in the Oval Office!!

Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago

It's the last thing the rest of the world wants as well.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

Guess onymon doesn't have the courage to come back after its weak little hit and run attack. What an effective witness for Christ.

RD28327 1 year, 7 months ago

And onymon, you need to realize one thing. It's Dusty Rhoades, NOT Dusty Rhodes. Now go take a BC powder .....

dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago

I think he already took a powder.

He's a GOD WARRIOR!

jimt 1 year, 7 months ago

"The "Letter to Dr. Woods" he “quotes” to prop up the fable that Thomas Jefferson believed Christianity to be a superstition “of no redeeming value” and “founded upon fables and mythology” can only be found “quoted” in the book “Six Historic Americans” written by John E. Remsburg in 1906. The “letter” is nowhere to be found because it is itself a myth and a fable."

On what authority do you make this assertion? Who has determined that this is so. Clearly it is not you, you've heard/read it somewhere. Where?

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