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DaveyNC 2 years ago
Nice. Trite sentiment superimposed over a silhouette not of torture, but of aberrance. We don't torture. Torture is what happened to John McCain in Viet Nam. It is what happened to Daniel Pearl and Nicholas Berg and Lt. Col. Buckley.
lindac 2 years ago
Trite? Do you really think "Torture is immoral. Torture is illegal. Torture betrays America's principals." are stale, tired and cliched' sentiments? The excuse, "we waterboard our Navy Seals" may convince you that it isn't torture, but as a nation, we have decided that waterboarding is indeed torture. The facts are that torture does more harm than good and too many of our own have experienced this sad fact. You are correct that America is not suppose to torture, but you are only deceiving yourself if you think we didn't under the Bush Administration.
DaveyNC 2 years ago
No, I don't think we tortured. Your link that supposedly supports that "as a nation" we have decided that waterboarding is torture goes to the UN. Not exactly binding or even a national referendum.
And then you link to a blog/book. Not exactly an impartial one. It even accuses us of using torture in SERE training. Which is training. Grueling, difficult training, to be sure. But training, not torture.
And finally, yes, the whole cartoon is full of stale, tired cliches.
Conveniently, you overlook the silhouette, which represents a photo from the Abu Ghraib depravity and the fact that those who perpetrated that depravity were both aberrant in their behavior and severely punished for it. Abu Ghraib was not torture, it was rogue behavior and not at all sanctioned by the military or its civilian command.
Fail.
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
We did not torture under Bush...we did use the enhanced techniques and I have no problem with that. Our soldiers are trained using some of these techniques and if they can go through it then so can an enemy who wears no uniform and wants to kill infidels ( you and me and our families ). OBL was caught in part because of this and the world is down one less terrorist scumbag.
lindac 2 years ago
DaveyNC 2 years ago
Just flat can't read that, but it looks like a bumper sticker. You know, trite.
Courseaire 2 years ago
Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture (an advisory measure of the UN General Assembly) is:
...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions. --UN Convention Against Torture[1]
The problem lies in the definition of "severe", which is not defined, nor are examples given. The question: Is Waterboarding or some of the other methods used considered "severe"?
On the lighter side, I consider listening to most Politians torture, yet they are still allowed to speak.
lindac 2 years ago
I wondered how many clowns this post would bring out. All you guys are missing are the red noses and big shoes but don't worry, Dusty Rhodes has plenty to hand out to all of you!
DaveyNC 2 years ago
Well that didn't take long. Failing the ability to argue your position, you have devolved into name calling.
If you are going to write an opinion piece, have an opinion. Don't just scour the internet for other people's artwork and thoughts and hit Ctrl+C. You didn't think this out, lindac, and now you can't defend whatever your position is. I'm not even sure what your position is other than "Look what I found! It portrays me as a thoughtful person and therefore I will copy and paste it!"
Still no defense of the Abu Ghraib non-torture aspect of the original image.
lindac 2 years ago
I don't need to have an opinion you approve or disapprove of Davey. My post says everything I feel and I don't need to defend it. But apparently anything anyone says that you don't like, you jump on and post erroneous statements about. Don't like what I post???? So don't read it! BTW, have you picked up your clown costume yet?
DaveyNC 2 years ago
Again with the name calling. C'mon Linda, you're writing (or copying and pasting) for publication. You need a thick skin for that, because not everyone will agree with what you copy and paste. So far, you haven't thrown up an original thought, just a cartoon and a bumper sticker. You're right, your opinion doesn't need to be one that I approve or disapprove of, but so far, I haven't seen your opinion here. Just a couple of copy and paste jobs and some name calling.
Dig deep. Think. Write down what you think and maybe, just maybe, you'll change someone's opinion. And if you can't do that, then maybe you shouldn't write for publication.
lindac 2 years ago
Here's a deep thought for you Davey, I don't debate with people who don't use real facts! Hows that? Do you approve of that Davey?
DaveyNC 2 years ago
Up until this post, you haven't used any facts at all lindac. All you've done is put up a couple of copies of someone else's work and called anyone who challenges you a clown. That's not debate, that's third grade whining.
I'm not asking you to debate, I'm challenging you to have an original thought.
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
I believe that he is using real facts...where are yours?? Don't let your Liberal bias be so strong that you lose your common sense. If your child were being held by a kidnapper and you thought you could get some information out of a suspect...be honest, what would you do to get that information?? I can tell you pretty much what I would do, but your liberal little pea-pickin' heart wouldn't want to hear it!
lindac 2 years ago
Clowns, this blogsite is filled with clowns.
<p>@skyline....my FACTS are in my initial post.DaveyNC 2 years ago
There are no facts in that initial post and even if there were, they are somebody else's that you have parroted. No facts, just statements. Saying it doesn't make it a fact. At best, saying it makes it an opinion.
lindac 2 years ago
Oh my, look at this, your 2008 nominee for Prez said the following... " Arizona Sen. John McCain, a former POW who was tortured for years at the hands of Vietnamese captors, delivered an impassioned argument today that so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” did not produce intelligence leading to Osama bin Laden.
“It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden,” McCain said in a stirring 22-minute speech from the Senate floor.
McCain called the techniques -- implemented by CIA interrogators during the George W. Bush administration and later barred by President Obama -- “indisputably torture,” and said waterboarding amounted to a “mock execution.”
“I do not believe they are necessary to our success in our war against terrorists, as the advocates of these techniques claim they are,” he said McCain directly criticized former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for publicly suggesting recently that waterboarding of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed led investigators to the courier who ferried information to and from bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan.
Mukasey has said Mohammed “broke like a dam” during the 183 waterboardings performed on him.
“That is false,” McCain said, citing a report from CIA director Leon Panetta who said the courier’s identity was obtained elsewhere.
Waterboarding KSM “actually produced false and misleading information,” McCain said, explaining that Mohammed’s information on the courier was ultimately proven incorrect.
“In my personal experience, the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence, but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear –- whether it is true or false –- if he believes it will relieve his suffering,” he said.
Well, well, well, a Republican that finally speaks the truth. The end MUST be coming! Oh, here's the link, just in case you think I'm making this up.
DaveyNC 2 years ago
I'll see your former Presidential candidate and raise you one former head of CIA counterterrorism: abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence
lindac, you don't read very clearly. Look at the statement that you put in bold above and then at your comment that a Republican finally speaks the truth. McCain said that "...abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence....". The quote you chose argues decisively against your point. Some actionable intelligence is all it took to nail bin Laden. We don't need every bit of intelligence gleaned to be perfect and actionable, we just need enough to do the job. In this case, it worked.
And of course McCain is speaking the truth; he is speaking of his own "...personal experience...".
And water boarding isn't torture. Hanging a man up by the wrists with his hands tied behind his back is torture. That is what happened to McCain.
lindac 2 years ago
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DaveyNC 2 years ago
Winning!
lindac 2 years ago
For once you're right Davey, I am winning.
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
Problem is, Lindac...you're not winning. You have not given any facts, you have not answered my question among others, you have not given any good arguments...all you've done is use someone else's work to make a point that you obviously agree with while not using any facts. There is a difference between torture ( legally ) and what you "think" torture is. Have you served in the military? Have you any experience with hardship or torture? Have you had any training that would qualify you, in any way, to define what the difference is between what you are calling torture and what our own military troops experience in training?? Do you even have an idea of how many terrorists are already in this country because of our open border policy? It is fine to work the moral high ground if you don't have (as Obama is so apt to say) "skin in the game". But basically all you are doing is working an idea that you apparently don't have any real knowledge of, with nothing to lose, while others are risking their lives every day in the service of this country. You remind me of others in this paper who will say that since they have never experienced a problem with crime, that I don't need to own a gun!! Since "you've" never had a problem with terrorism then" we" don't need to use all the tools available to us . And then you call us clowns!!!
lindac 2 years ago
This conversation is being continued in another thread titled, "Torture Makes Us Less Safe, Not More!"
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