More on Benghazi

pulledpork 2 months ago

Pretty simple unfortunately. The Obama administration deliberately mislead the American public that this was in reaction to a video and not the Al Quaida terrorist attack that it was known from the offset. Why? Because in the heat of the election, Obama and Biden were going around saying Al Quaida is dead and GM is alive. The talking points election would have taken a major hit if Al Quaida was alive and just killed the first American ambassador in 30 years. Luckily the lap-dog media chose to completely ignore the truth and go after Romney for his comments. Now we have a cover-up that makes Watergate look like a pool party and where is CNN investigative reports? Making and drinking koolaide for it's duped viewers. Where was Obama the day after the terrorist attack killing our ambassador and 3 seals? In Las Vegas naturally, campaigning, Axelrod had it all covered...(up)

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

It would be refreshing if Democrats were interested in getting to the bottom of this instead of the usual rubber stamping the administrations line. One would think this issue would be spared the lib vs conservative horse squeeze that is customary.

AFCHIEF 2 months ago

And to top it off the survivors of this attack are being threatened to remain quiet.

mymindwanders 2 months ago

I know this is impertinent to this thread, but did you hear the "assault weapons ban" part of the gun control bill has been banned.I bet there won't be a thread on that though...now back to your regularly scheduled program...

Themis 2 months ago

You know that military movie where Jack Nicolson says" Truth? You can't handle the Truth!" that is probably where all Americans are about the real facts on Benghazi.

JimHeim 2 months ago

Oooh, Benghazi. Viagra for the right-wing set.

Doing work in unsettled countries is dangerous. Foreign service officers know that. They've moved on and are doing productive things.

pulledpork 2 months ago

Not the point of my post Jimmy...the point is Obama mislead the public, went on the campaign trail as our ambassador was dragged through the streets and then Axelrod et al tries to shove some ridiculous video as the reason of the "spontaneous" attack... and you and all the american propaganda run with it like the little school girls that you are. Congrats! You should happy as a pig in slop... now on with our previously scheduled march to tyranny..

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

The Republicans actually did the job. Questions of the two gentlemen were somewhat more professional.

No. they behaved like arrogant petulant jerks, which of course endears them to the arrogant petulant jerks who make up the right wing.

And yet, when it was over, Hillary Clinton was polling as the most popular political figure in the country, and Rand Paul was around 30% approval.

Looks like Mr. Killingstad's a little out of touch with the world. Bet he assumed till the bitter end that Romney was going to win in a landslide because "no one likes Obama."

The rest of the world has acknowledged, as Mrs. Clinton did, that the State Department should have had better security at the Benghazi consulate, and moved on. And while yes, people on both sides of the aisle mourn the loss of American lives, no one is still dwelling on this issue except the right wing lunatic fringe who still holds out the pathetic and rather crazy hope that it'll bring down the President they couldn't defeat.

Someday the very last of these old angry rabid wingers will shuffle off this mortal coil, thrashing and foaming in their last throes of spastic rage, their final breaths a reedy, pitiful wheeze of “ooobaaaama liiieed about Benghaaaazi…” and everyone will go “what the devil was that old fool babbling about?”

geoffcutler 2 months ago

"And to top it off the survivors of this attack are being threatened to remain quiet." AFCHIEF

I saw that report. Lindsey Graham has no intention of letting Benghazi die after hearing from survivors who were told to keep there mouths shut. Good for him! Maybe we'll eventually get some truth out of this White House and State Department.

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Doing work in unsettled countries is dangerous. Foreign service officers know that."

Yes, dangerous indeed. The last ambassador killed was in 1979. Of course no one on here is suprised that Jim H, DR, et al are dismissing the unneccesary deaths of these 4 brave men but is there not ONE Democrat politician who smells a rat here and would like to get to the bottom of it?

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Bet he assumed till the bitter end that Romney was going to win in a landslide because "no one likes Obama."

Does it ever occur to you knuckleheads that it isn't always about Obama? Maybe its about the 4 dead Americans including the first ambassador to be killed in 34 years. Come out of the tank sometime and get some fresh air, it will clear your head.

pulledpork 2 months ago

It is pretty obvious to most intelligent people that this was a terrorist attack within 24 hours. Hilllary is complety complicit is perpetuating the lie that this was a "spontaneous demonstration". A week later Petreaus marches out there (under threat from Obama no doubt since he knew about the affiar) saying the facts are inconclusive, total joke. And yet Obama marches out Rice 2 weeks later saying it still points in the direction of a video and the investigation is on-going. As much as the democratic/socialist party wants to ignore that all of the facts that this is the biggest scandal since watergate, sooner or later people are going to talk. Maybe someone will offer protection from Obama for a survivor to come forward and explain what he or she saw, but right now the Chicago bully has put the muzzle on all the survivors. The more this president leads, the more he resembles Hugo Chavez.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Guess the wingers just love that fantasy world too much to leave it.

geoffcutler 2 months ago

Why this is a partisan issue is beyond me. Shouldn't we all want to know what led to the death of Americans in Benghazi? If survivors are indeed being asked to keep their mouths shut, Why isn't that something we all would want to know more about? What is wingnutty about caring for dead Americans and wanting answers?

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Why this is a partisan issue is beyond me."

The lefties must protect the legacy of their false diety at any cost.

pulledpork 2 months ago

GC, Not only what lead to the deaths but what was happening during the 8 hours of fighting and then why in the heck did the State Department AND the Obama Administration continue top project this was a mob who spontaneously attacked the emabassy when it was plainly obvious this was a coordinated terrorist attack. I think folks like DR and JH would rather put their heads in the sand. I guaran-damn-tee you if this had happened during a republican administration this would make abu-garib look like chicken feed, since Americans actually died and the nature of their deaths was deliberately concealed because of an election.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Blah blah blah. All the questions have been addressed, you just don't like that the answers won't destroy the President you love to hate.

And you know what the surest sign is that you've got nothing? The way you immediately default to hysterical claims that pointing out that you've got nothing means that "you don't care about dead Americans!"

When wingnuts go right to the the drama queenery, it's that perfect tell that they've got no factual arguments. It's so transparent.

geoffcutler 2 months ago

All the questions haven't been addressed. That's why we're asking them. You should be asking them, too.

JimHeim 2 months ago

Oooh, now he was dragged through the streets. It just keeps getting even more gruesome.

I heard he killed himself in a bunker with his mistress...

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

Dusty, how do you know that all questions have been asked? Hadn't you already made up your mind before "any" questions had been asked?

Pappy 2 months ago

Mr Heim....your last comment was disgusting...

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"I heard he killed himself in a bunker with his mistress..."

4 Americans are murdered and from the lib brain trust we get sick jokes. Everyday on here the left demonstrates who the real "nuts" are.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Jim: are the wingnuts still claiming the ambassador was raped?

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Here's the perfect example of wingnuttery: Michelle Bachmann gets caught lying in a speech at CPAC, literally flees a reporter asking questions about it, then, when she gets caught, tries to distract the reporter from talking about what Bachmann herself brought up by hiding behind Benghazi.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

4 Americans are murdered and from the lib brain trust we get sick jokes.

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fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"The lefties must protect the legacy of their false diety at any cost" all else is secondary.

Thatcher 2 months ago

JimHeim-- I give you credit. You say what every liberal here believes but is afraid to say to anyone other than fellow liberals in private. Good for you. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

AFCHIEF 2 months ago

Heimy your post at 1 hr 45min, shows just how serious you take this issue and is VERY disrespectful to the ambassadors family.

JimHeim 2 months ago

afchief - Your side decided to make a circus of this. I guess you thought there was political hay to make of it. How's that working out?

AFCHIEF 2 months ago

Heimy how is the Obamanation administration promise to be transparent working out for the country?

It's not!

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Your side decided to make a circus of this."

Please elaborate...with specifics if its not too much trouble.

geoffcutler 2 months ago

Killed himself inside his bunker with his mistress?

Guess I'm glad I don't know what he's talking about. What is he talking about?

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

I didn't know what he was referring to, pretty sick even considering the source.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Well, Chief, let's hear from the Ambassador's family:

The father of Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya who was murdered in a terrorist attack in Benghazi last month, has said it would be 'abhorrent' to turn his son's death into political fodder in the battle for the White House. 'It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue,' said Jan Stevens, 77. 'The security matters are being adequately investigated. 'We don’t pretend to be experts in security. It has to be objectively examined. That’s where it belongs. It does not belong in the campaign arena.'

Seems to me that turning the Ambassador's death into a political issue...which is exactly what you're doing...is the real disrespect, and the family agrees.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Oh, by the way..the American people agreed, too, which is why Obama was overwhelmingly re-elected.

how is the Obamanation administration promise to be transparent working out for the country?

Guess what, Chief? The American people thought he was doing fine enough to send your boy Mittens back to La Jolla, his dancing horse, and his car elevator.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Heimy your post at 1 hr 45min, shows just how serious you take this issue and is VERY disrespectful to the ambassadors family.

Making fun of you and the other wingnuts and your attempts to politicize this issue (and just make stuff up in the process) isn't disrespectful to the Ambassador. It's what YOU deserve, though, drama queen.

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"has said it would be 'abhorrent' to turn his son's death into political fodder in the battle for the White House. 'It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue,"

I believe the election was long ago, Nov 6., making this just another in a series of irrelevant posts from you. Its time to get to the bottom of this, whats is the admin hiding?

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Making fun of you and the other wingnuts and your attempts to politicize this issue (and just make stuff up in the process) isn't disrespectful to the Ambassador."

Being made fun of by "a joke" is a badge of honor for me.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Being made fun of by "a joke" is a badge of honor for me.

You just go on and tell yourself whatever you need to to get through life, fuggy.

geoffcutler 2 months ago

The American people were being told the terrorist attack was a spontaneous riot due to an American made movie on Mohammad. The media carried that load for Obama knowing that the truth might have hurt his chances of re-election. Imagine blaming your own with a lie before taking the time to find out the truth. Like I said, this thing will dog the president until the truth is uncovered.

Interesting that our government thought a movie was volatile enough to put out a hash-head story that it led to the attacks. They blanketed the Sunday News shows with the fabrication, constant on the regular news. Wonder what would happen if Rhoades wrote one of hit pieces on Mohammad? Maybe the administration would blame him for the next Bhenghazi. How's that column coming anyway, funny boy?

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Q: How many Geoff Cutlers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: That's not funny! Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed screwing in a light bulb, funny boy? Huh, funny boy? Huh? And WHY CAN'T YOU BE CIVIL? HUH!? HUH!?

geoffcutler 2 months ago

Still haven't finished it, I guess. What's the matter, funny boy? Don't want to get thrown in jail for a bit of light-hearted satire? Anybody know if that innocent movie producer is still behind bars? Must have been an awfully quick trial.

dustyrhoades 2 months ago

Oh, Geoff, you're really going to want to avoid the Pilot and the website this Friday. Just sayin'.

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"Q: How many Geoff Cutlers does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

How many times have we seen DR have no substantive response to a post yet still not have sense enough to just pass. Yet, somehow in his warped mind "he wins!!"

buskwon 2 months ago

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Toda 2 months ago

It's amazing to see the Republicans attack POTUS'O, Hillary Clinton and the Joint Chiefs of Staff about the Benghazi attacks.

They don't bring up or mention the number of embassy deaths during the Bush Administration nor is anyone calling for hearings ... wonder why?

George could do no wrong! by Tommy Davis

AFCHIEF 2 months ago

Geoff, Hymen was referring to Hitler in his bunker

fugitiveguy 2 months ago

"They don't bring up or mention the number of embassy deaths during the Bush Administration nor is anyone calling for hearings ... wonder why? "

2 questions How many years has it been since a US ambassador was killed abroad? Are you aware that GWB is no longer the president?

Toda 2 months ago

O' fugitiveguy ... now we are not talking about 60 embassy deaths, or the 3 soldiers who were killed, just one ambassador....

O' yes, I understand, that the left doesn't care to talk about Bush's shortcomings. I suspect Repub's will talk about Benghazi for decades to come. With a ratio of 15 deaths to 1, Repub math is in Bushs favor.

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Let me help you Toda, the last ambassador was killed in 1979. First one in 34 years and he didn't have to die. The man practically begged for security, other countries even closed out their embassies there. The administration followed with the big lie about a video. But you, justlike the rest of the lemmings are more interested in protecting Obama's legacy. Funny, you question everything Moore County politicians do yet seem willing to buy whatever cock and bull story that comes out of Washington when the D's are in charge.

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Has anyone ever stopped long enough to think about the mechanics of Obama's fabrication that it was a ant-Muslim movie that caused Benghazi? First of all, who could possibly have thought that blaming Americans for an attack on America would be a good idea? What kind of mindset in charge of America's foreign policy wants to blame America first? Who came up with the idea? Who was it that even knew such a movie existed?

It's the fabrication of this bizarre story that tells us this administration must have something to hide. And if they don't, then this is one unbelievably sick way to protect your chances for re-election.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

fugitveguy - Where do you get this stuff? The ambassador specifically rejected security provided by Blackwater (or whatever name they were hiding under at the time) for that trip. How could you not know that?

The story about denied security is vastly overblown. A verbal request for more security at Tripoli (300 miles away) was made months before the incident. And, since the Republican Congress cut $300 million form the State Department's budget, such a request would likely have been problematical. The idea that three to five additional guards that far away would have prevented this is silly.

In any event, the ambassador would have been aware of the situation and still chose to go there without even a private security detail. Your case is weak.

geoff - The movie stuff came from our embassy in Libya at the time. How could Obama have fabricated it?

This campaign to turn the ambassador's death into a political movement never got off the ground and is fading fast. But keep kicking that chicken. It helps us keep track of you.

clarabelle 1 month, 4 weeks ago

4000 + dead in Iraq and none of the right wing loonies here passed even a mild fart in objection!

No wonder the repukes are losing elections!

clarabelle 1 month, 4 weeks ago

" geoffcutler - Has anyone ever stopped long enough to think about the mechanics of Obama's fabrication that it was a ant-Muslim movie that caused Benghazi? "

I'm sure "you" have............. only way you can get it up anymore is to complain about obama!

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

And ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Serbs had the loony left up in arms while that same cleansing by Saddam Hussein in Iraq is of no consequence. The protection of human life, as the left continually proves, depends on which human lives are concerned, which president is in office at the time of cleansing, and what steps are then taken by the United States.

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

fugitiveguy => first let me say I enjoy good honest debate without name calling and verbal sparing...you are indeed worthy of a good debate. Thank you for contributing....

I think all American's were saddened at the loss of the Ambassador and the brave souls who lost their lives attempting to protect the compound. There are so many questions with respect to armament and the arsenal the US Military has at it's disposal, why those three warriors didn't possess the capability to eliminate the entire crowd in one big swoop of a Ma Deuce, mini-gun or other shrapnel generating explosives. US Military does have the capability to destroy large groups with technology. Why doesn't that element exist with all embassies? I can't answer that question ....

Everyone can speculate on who, what, when and why with respect to Benghazi. Congress didn't seem to have their questions answered but then who really knows the extent of what transpired on 9-11-13? Personally, I can't determine with the information floating around the internet, congressional hearings why it happened.

Albeit to attack POTUS'O over and over for his alleged cover up, is just plain ludicrous. Not one person on these blogs have any personal insight that would warrant condemnation. JMHO

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Toda, apparently you missed Sen. Lindsey Graham's statements on the news based on what he has been told by 4 survivors of Benghazi. While we respect that all Americans are upset by the deaths of our own, only some seem concerned about what looks like a cover-up, and will we continue to feel that way until real answers are given. "Who cares..." the comment made by Hillary Clinton in the Senate hearings just isn't good enough.

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

fugitiveguy ~ you mentioned my constant overview of county government.

I have over the years, along with others who contribute to viable insight into the county operations. I won't go into deal again on why so many have reservations about the ethics of elected Moore County Officials. I post information that is in the form of written documentation or verbal conversations with people who are close to the county government.

The Moore County TEA Patriots have taken no interest in what is going on in Carthage because of politics...short and simple. They would rather mount a bus to Washington than to publicly complain about the 20 million that could have been saved on the Grand Palace. I will be glad to email the documents to you ... no questions asked.

I also had several very cordial lunches with Nick Picerno. I didn't agree with him on many issues face to face. During our conversations, I said one of the issues is getting their message out to the people of Moore County. I knew last year or longer that Wayne Vest was in line for County Manager. I was asked on a couple of meetings what I thought about having a county manager without previous experience? I also suggested a county news letter similar to the Bonacord in Aberdeen. To let the people know what is going on...but there are subliminal analogies as well. Chairman Picerno and his team are now resorting to micromanaging county government; department heads and managers are responsible for budgeting their departments. Not elected officials looking inward without department insight on a daily operational basis. Also, Mr. Picerno has higher political aspirations in Raleigh or Washington. He has a difficult hill to climb with Southern Software LLC lingering in the background and how an absent of bids on software and hardware for county government....A lot more ....

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

geoffcutler ~ One has to consider Lindsey Graham as a mouthpiece for other like minded Senators. I also saw Michele Backmann: "Liar Michele Bachmann Power Walks Away From Lamestream Media" to avoid answering questions, and par to course, she totally moved the topic to Benghazi before running from an interview.

As far as Hillary's comment, that was taken out of context and was pointed out by Dems and Repubs. The four Americans died, and one can't go back and undo what happened. The conversation was the chain-of-command and what everyone knew and when...You recall, Hillary said she received thousands of emails a day, in addition to her daily commitments as Secretary of State. Only God could have knowledge of knowledge of what was going to happen before it happened.

Thanks for the good discussion....

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

All I can tell you is I saw Graham speak, and he didn't sound like he was out to get anyone. But he did sound very concerned by what he said he had been told. I watched the Senate hearings, and dsagree with the Republicans and Democrats to whom you refer. I can't speak about Michelle Bachmann.

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

One other thing. President Obama deserves credit when credit is due. I have said that in the past and on more than one occasion. I just watched his speech in Israel and thought all in all it was an inspired speech and give him credit for his willingness to try and think in larger terms, outside the box, if you will. Good speech, a lot of needed assurances and good ideas.

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

I listened to POTUS'Os speech as well. He had a very positive theme contending that the people would have to come together as opposed to the politicians.

Then last evening the militants raised their ugly heads and fired rockets into settlements. How does anyone overcome the dysfunctional actions of lunatics?

Now what will the Israeli Knesset do in retaliation or continue to try to improve relations?

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

BO is VERY good at giving speeches, that is what he is good at. He gave many many speeches about PPACA, how you get to keep your health plan (utter bs), how it will bring costs down (utter bs), make businesses more competitve (yet to be seen). I am here to tell you PPACA is an oncoming train wreck of the likes never seen before. Underneath it all is a plan to move to single-payer system a la England, but MOST importantly, it is a massive redistribution of wealth. And not just from the wealthy to the low income, but the middle class to the low income. A vast sea of mediocrity and income redistribution. No one is talking about, nor is it being covered in the news. It is massively complex, HUGE buereaucraticly, in short it is FUBAR. Those who have read this post, remember what pulled pork said come this september, especially if you pay for your own insurance, if you are under age 50, you will be hosed. If you make more than 45k, you will be hosed. If you and your spouse make more than 90k, you will be hosed. But I must say, Obama does make a very good speech.

nothingspecial 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Come on, anyone can see the incompetence of the state department with this one. What happened was not at all surprising after making Hillary the secretary of state, based on what? She was the wife of a president? How many seasoned ambassadors could have done a much better job? That is my gripe, poor Hillary had the ego to do the job but completely lacked the skill. And now she and maybe Michelle are the front runners for 2016? You folks pick folks to run the country from the Tonight Show and People Magazine.

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

The meteoric rise of Hillary Clinton, and subsequent adulation for her role as SOS has been rather odd, no question. But, you've got give her drive credit. When you've had your eye on the White House since you were a college girl, and friends and husband in high places...and you're a liberal Democrat...well...the sky's the limit, no matter what your qualifications.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

geoff - Wait'll she's president. I expect you to be suitably impressed.

Regarding senate drama queen Graham, he's facing tea hatriot opposition to his reelection and is frantic to look conservative (crazy) enough. Benghazi is just the pointless controversy for that.

geoffcutler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Jim, you mean you Democrats aren't going to call Hill a racist (true racists) and throw her under the bus for Obama this time? Oh...I forgot...you can only serve two terms as president....

Spocks_Brain 1 month, 4 weeks ago

When you have a gay president more interested in forcing ambassadors to march in gay pride parades all over the world what the F do you expect.....

cmptrepair 1 month, 4 weeks ago

pulledpork or is it burnt meat? Where do you come up with all of your assertions? You must be an insurance salesman for BCBS. Me think you are baseless and factless without merit. Soooo....what you posted is just your opinion which means nothing to the majority. Hillary will be our next prez so get used to it - bad meat.

Spocks_Brain 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Welcome to sick America...

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=12731&MediaType=1&Category=24

If thats the America Heim and DR want thats a crying shame

Spocks_Brain 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Dont worry that hag will look so old by then no one will look at her..plus has she ever worn a dress? What makes her worthy of being commander in chief??? Look at the clown we have now, a real military strategist-goes to Cairo and says hey any country can have a nuke! lmao No wonder the N Koreans are laughing at our clown

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

pulledpork => What a screen name; conjures up some disturbing images ....

You failed to mention how successful Affordable Health Care models in other countries have provided health care for their populations without any issues. Think in terms of Canada our northern neighbor who can sell pharmaceuticals at a reduced cost even though we are only 68 miles from Raleigh. Politicians are getting their wallets padded which adds to the cost in the good old US of A.

You presence indicates a chronological abeyance, since OBAMA CARE which is affordable health care has been discussed ad-nausium. Your points containing a lot of BS references would support your contentions if you provide links to credible web pages supporting information other than your biased opinions lacking observations.

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Spock => And how do you know what Kim Yung Un is thinking or anyone else for that matter? Stick to some factual information so one might just think you have some credibility.

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Do yourself a favor computerrepair geek. Do some reading, and no, not in the N&O or NYT.. stay away from CNN...do yourself a favor and look up the Federal Poverty Level... I'll save you the time moron since we all know liberals never exert themselves to read or become educated beyond what they watch on TV or read in People magazine..... for one person it is $11,490.. well, when you get to 150% of FPL you only have to pay 11.5% of premium, don't believe me look it up! Go to Congressional Research Service and type in PPACA (that, idiot, stands for Patient Protection Affordable Care Act) do some READING, no onward ho..and I'm talking about one person, single...when you get to 200% FPL, you pay 24%.. what that means in federal government liberalize is you get a 76% subsidy.. a SUBSIDY that comes from the Federal gov't, which is funded by people who pay taxes, those are called TAXPAYERS... as you can see, it is a SLIDING SCALE.. what THAT means is the more you make, the more you pay for health insurance... for a single person, once you get to $45,960 you get ZERO subsidy... is that simple enough for you computermoron?

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

another moron has entered the room.. welcome TODA!!

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

TODA, Canada has like 150 people, not 340,000,000... try a real country like England, or GREAT BRITAIN. I'm telling y'all, you have no freaking clue, not even close to a clue, in other words, you are your everyday liberal who watches CNN, reads the N&O and Time and qualifies you to be a liberal "intellectual"..

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

well, got to go, and I can tell there is steam coming out of the ears of my liberal friends because they might actually have to READ some information that has previously been spoon-fed to the by their dear president and former speaker of the house.. and of course the mainstream media has avoided with a 10 foot pole so they could re-elect their socialist wet dream of a president...!! They are actually going to have to READ something that doesn't interest them if they are going to refute me, which they can't, because those are the facts!! Too damn funny.. Typical liberal idiots who watch Bill Maher because he is soooo cutting edge and smart... all too predictable in this day and age where no one digs deeper than Time or Newsweek or other such similar democratic propaganda machines..

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

pulledpork - You'd have real trouble finding an OECD country with health care as bad as ours with prices anywhere near as high.

When did the US decide that paying through the nose for mediocre care was worth preserving?

dentman65 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Has anyone read that letter from the dying Iraqi War veteran Tomas Young sent to Bush and Cheney on the internet? I wonder what he'd say about Benghazi? I wonder how the rest of the Military feels about Benghazi, politics, and the war. Any active duty out there?

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

pulledpork 6 hours, 7 minutes ago another moron has entered the room.. welcome TODA!!

Interesting diatribe by another newbie who comes to the boards on a mission to insult, inflame, and condescending jabberwocky.

FYI: Cowards hide behind screen names and take potshots at others who care to discuss prevailing topics. You're just another jerk who is self-serving a$$ Hole.

I've been on these boards and others since The Pilot started with their farce. Before that I wrote Letters to the Editor: this really isn't a chat room dipsh*t.

Obviously you are another Faux Newz and a nipple holder of Glenn Beck.

by Tommy Davis

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

wdd - If they said it was about Obamacare, they were lying to your face.

Every day we see one thing or another blamed on Obamacare. In a recent column, Bob Levy complained about how littler it has done. Here's a news flash: The major provisions don't kick in until next year!

Of course it's a limited program; it was designed by Republicans. If you want real health care reform with better outcomes, longer lives and a lot less cost, adopt Medicare for all. It works.

Only an idiot would those stupid sodomy stories abut a guy who died in a fire. Is there nothing so brain-dead you won't fall for it?

AFCHIEF 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Heimy, you might want to read your last sentence, kind of losing your mind are we

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

First Health traditionally hasn't paid their share of the 20/80 policy guidelines since the concept became reality. Like BCBS, they deny as many claims as possible to avoid paying. Their so-called network is just a ruse, partly because their bare bones approach to beat down charges by other care givers.

Insurance companies blame their price increases on the Affordable Care Act referred to as Obama Care. Perhaps given the timeline Link Here provides insight into when elements of the plan will phase into the matrix of health care options.

"Coming in 2013: The Health Insurance Marketplace Individuals and small businesses can buy affordable and qualified health benefit plans in this new transparent and competitive insurance marketplace."

OldSpook 1 month, 4 weeks ago

TODA - Your Personality/Attitude post is one of the best I have read, thanks.

Having served in the Foreign Service and been involved in numerous hostile actions dating back to the Ayatollah Khomeini I can assure you that Clinton screwed up and should be held responsible for the death of our Ambassador. However, as he was a career Foreign Service Officer (FSO) and not a political appointee and Clinton will be running for President,nothing will come of an "investigation". Lets face it folks, our political system is broke and the only ones that are winning are the lawyers that get themselves elected to office, the rest of us are just viewed as their slaves.

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

I love reading y'all comments like you know what you're talking about when it comes to PPACA. JH and TOAD, like I said you need to read up on wtf PPACA is and not rely on your bs articles. Nice effort on last of the industrial countries though... only problem is costs, expenses and premiums are going to skyrocket even further in 2014. Seriously, I can't blame you for your ignorance, you don't know any better. I'll continue to school you along out of the kindness of my conservative heart. What is going to happen, if you REALLY want to get deep, is the risk and cost of health insurance is going to be transferred from insurance companies to the American TAXPAYER, i.e., those who PAY taxes. Insurance comapnies can't profit more than 15%. There is no incentive to take risk. In essence, they are being paid 15% to process claims while the taxpayer foots the bill. Small groups below fifty, if they are healthy, are going to go bye bye unless their employer is making gobs of money. I can go further, but I don't want to feed you too much that you can't digest it. I'll give you littler liberal bites so your brain doesn't freeze up.. just think about what I said and ponder. Rates on average for North Carolinians who buy their own insurance are going to go up 30% minimum. NOW, if you make less thann $45,000, you will get subsidy relief...now just relax and think about that...if you can wrap your mind around something that isn't Time or Newsweek..

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

"pulledpork 17 hours, 31 minutes ago TODA, Canada has like 150 people, not 340,000,000"

And you have the audacity to call someone else ignorant! Where do you get off with your condescending rants that are obviously an obsession for you. Perhaps a tattoo on your forehead "wtf PPACA is" might just help you get your redundant point across.

Apparently you don't possess any ability to read anything other than The Neal Boortz papers, as well as the crap initiated by Rupert Murdock and his band of misguided slaves .

You've convinced me and perhaps others, that you are a dysfunctional nut case and should revisit your therapist for extensive monitoring and confined treatment.

OldSpook 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Dusty, I believe you've just been bested by wdd101st's "Why I am PROUD to be a RIGHT wingnut" post. Sometimes the truth in humour must be acknowledged.

wdd101st, Thanks for sharing a very funny, yet true, defense on behalf of all the proud Wingnut's!

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Pulled Pork => cooked swine cooked over a grill or open fire pit and trimmed of grease and other artery clogging fat. Good with hot sauce, beans for flatulence and a lifetime of stints as well as triple bypasses...bypass pulled pork since it's not healthy.

To/mmy Da/vis an acronym for a person and not swine meat....

TOAD ~ for a wannabe academic your spelling sucks ... can't even copy and paste an acronym. And who is academically challenged as well as being an idiot? School time: CTL + C is the copy command and CTL + V is a paste command....

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

TOAD TOAD TOAD, tch tch... have a sense of humor little guy...sheesh, did you think I really meant Canada has 150 people, lol, you my friend are grasping for anything to alleviate my schooling you. Face it brother, you don't know jack-squat about PPACA (besides Chris Matthews talking points)if that is all you can come back with, LOL! Go ahead and try and refute anything I've said with FACTS.. problem is, I know the facts, you don't, and you know I know you don't. You are a tool for the left in more ways than one. Did you check out PPACA at the Congressional Research Service website? I'm guessing your interest in the facts didn't take you that far where you actually wanted to LEARN....that requires EFFORT.. at least I'm smart enough not to mouth off about something I don't have a full grasp of like I'm some kind of authority on it. But alas, that is exactly what you have done Toad, tch tch tch...poor guy, kind of feel sorry for you...btw, that's a joke! lol

dustyrhoades 1 month, 4 weeks ago

1. wingnut

n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A "right-wing nut".

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

O' king of Bull Sh*t ... the way you come off with your diatribes and condescending remarks, I thought you were an obsessed psychotic hearing voices ... one in need of psychotherapy.

Are you so lame that you don't have enough computer savvy to add links to your rants? Tools Huh! Do you possess a literate vocabulary or is that a smoke screen for your inability to communicate in a rational and logical expression of an educated person?

If you need "schooling" on how to add links to a page Click Here!

Apparently you don't know me ... that's why most cowards hide behind stupid screen names, gray images of Kim Yung Un as their avatars, while tossing out childish insults to people you don't know. Keep hiding wussy....

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

"you my friend" ~ I am not your friend, cuz, or buddy.

I don't have any Facebook Friends that are swine....

OldSpook 1 month, 4 weeks ago

"Wingnut" (sometimes "wing-nut") is used in United States politics as a political slur referring to a person who holds extreme, and often irrational, political views usually with a religious overtone. According to Merriam-Webster, it is "a mentally deranged person" or "one who advocates extreme measures or changes : radical."[1] In American politics, the term is more often aimed at members of the political right than those of the political left,[2] for which the alternative term moonbat is more often used. The New York Times' David M. Herszenhorn has defined a "wing nut" as "a loud darling of cable television and talk radio whose remarks are outrageous but often serious enough not to be dismissed entirely."[3]

Responding to its use in an essay by Peter Coyote, Sean Parnell of the Center for Competitive Politics wrote:

Moreover, you're [sic] use of the term "wing-nut minorities" is interesting for one who decries the incivility of political discourse today. I haven't read the new and updated Miss Manners for Politics yet, but I'm guessing I'm not going to find a section in there approving of the use of pejorative namecalling and broadly delegitimizing and demonizing your opponents.[4]

"Moonbat", now that's just funny.

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

wdd, love your post about "wingnuts".

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

TOAD, this will get you started. The recent updates as far as FPL levels for subsidies aren't included, which is vital, but you get the picture, enjoy and welcome to the real world of PPACA.. btw, this is Charlie Rengel's summary (or his lackies summary), a real left wingnut's view! :)

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590

dustyrhoades 1 month, 4 weeks ago

I'll put the term wingnut on hiatus for a while.

I'll stick with the much more applicable "moron."

That'll give you a chance to wallow in your self righteous hypocritical outrage a little while longer.

pulledpork 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Well, TOAD et al, I'm going to go back to the real world and break some rocks. I think TOAD has had his share of pulled pork literally and figurativley.. you all take good care, and come this september and october, just remember what pulled pork said about PPACA... a socialist trainwreck that does nothing to reduce costs and does more to transfer wealth than anything in the history of our country. Leaves the bill at the taxpayers front door (based on income).. the more you make, the more you pay... remember the wise words of pulled pork... eastern style

AFCHIEF 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Pulledpork beware of Toda he's kind of mentally unstable, had the sheriffs dept at his house last year

Toda 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Why then don't you come to my house or meet me in the parking lot of your choice Chump! Are you now a doctor or just another a$$ hole who washed up in the air force? Coward!

I've been asking around since you stated that you worked for Pinehurst as a bag-man or some other menial job. People like you I seek out to have intelligent and civil conversations. Can't hide forever...coward.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

pulledpork - I don't need to read about PPACA. I have access to one of the nation's foremost experts on the subject.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

wdd - I guess if some guy on the Internet says it happened, it must be true.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Toda - I wouldn't take afchief too seriously. I hear the ladies at Pure Gold regard him as a special needs customer.

AFCHIEF 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Toda, I'll take my 30 year career in the Air Force over anything you've done in your pathetic life. So you say your looking for me, is that some kind of premeditated threat. I'm just skating in my boots! LOL

dustyrhoades 1 month, 4 weeks ago

"Skating in my boots"?

How many drinks have you had, Chief?

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

dusty - I was wondering the same thing!

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Back to the topic at hand, have any of the major news agencies done any type of fact finding reporting on Benghazi other than Fox? There used to be a time when the MSM would be all over somthing like this as opposed to simply taking the word of the administration.

JimHeim 1 month, 4 weeks ago

fugitveguy - Maybe Limbaugh? Levin? Beck? You know, the giants.

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Jim, what does that mean? I asked a legitimate question, I know you know the answer. I take it the answer is HELL NO. The MSM couldn't be less interested in the truth of Benghazi, actually they are in as much as they don't want it to see the light of day. If there was nothing there that would make Obama's admin look bad they would be more than happy to report it.

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

You mentioned Limbaugh, Levin and Beck. Levin is my favorite by far, staunch conservative, lawyer, best selling author, very popular radio show, prolific dog lover, constitutional expert, strong supporter of our military. May I ask who are some of your favorite liberal media personalities? Anybody we've heard of ?

dustyrhoades 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Remember your basic right wing rhetoric:

What they say: "The press is covering up this story." What they mean: "The press won't report our half-truths, distortions, paranoid fantasies, unsourced rumours from foreign papers, and outright lies as if they were facts."

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Who has done any investigative journalism about Benghazi other than Fox DR? Please enlighten us. Has any of the bigs reported anything except what they were fed by the administration? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that we know all the pertinant facts? Perhaps just for a few minutes we could set the partisan crap aside. Its largely the administrations fault there is such skepticism, they led off with a bold faced lie and perpetuated that lie for a couple of weeks. Of course, I am sure you have reconciled that away too.

fugitiveguy 1 month, 4 weeks ago

"The press won't report our half-truths, distortions, paranoid fantasies, unsourced rumours from foreign papers, and outright lies as if they were facts."

What have they reported other than the official admin version? Who has done ANY digging? Since when does the press believe everything the gov tells them. Try to respond without using the word "Bush"

dentman65 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Someone mentioned First Health Insurance - As an employer I tried to purchase it for my men and they would not let me.......I personally have had BCBS forever,,,,,they said I would have to drop it and sign on their program as the owner or they would net sell me the policy for my crew. I thought that was ridiculous when I was prepared to put six employees on their insurance. Sorry this is off subject but I wanted to share it. Make it a great day!

cmptrepair 1 month, 3 weeks ago

afchief that some kind of premeditated threat. i would think you would take tommys offer for lunch or a gift card. you didnt respond to his question. are you really a coward? so what did you do in the air force?

AFCHIEF 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Cmptrepair, Toda can make all the threats he wants not scared of some looney toon like him. Int he Air Force started out as a generator mechanic, instructor, 1Sgt, Quality Assurance Supt and last 10 years was Fuels Manager in Japan and at Pope AFB

dustyrhoades 1 month, 3 weeks ago

What party has more sexually deviant members then they do

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

dustyrhoades 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

dustyrhoades 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was charged with molesting his 9-year old step daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

dustyrhoades 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman, interestingly enough, that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all of the standards for the highest office in the land.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pled guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling of Anderson, Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St. Louis, Missouri was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport, Tennessee was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

dustyrhoades 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Shall I go on, wdd?

Then of course there's the lengthy list of Republican "Family Values" candidates...Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich, Diaper Dave Vitter, and this guy: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/dead-reverends-rubber-fetish

Toda 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Dusty you are on a roll... you know as well as I do, Repub's only see through rose colored glass rimmed with gold inlay. They can do no wrong.

Jon Stwart on the Daily Show rally tagged Romney's interview and classified him as collaborator with none other than the metal man himself ~ Dennis Rodman.

Laughed so hard about taking the grandchildren to "open spaces" ie the park....

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