How Do We Balance Gun Rights and Public Safety?

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No gun laws imaginable will keep our children perfectly safe. Some gun regulation would make a meaningful contribution.

What measures have greatest promise of promoting safety? Can we implement them without compromising legitimate gun ownership?

America has a long tradition of supporting firearms prior to the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What is a militia? Webster's broadly states, "any army composed of citizens rather than professional soldiers, called up in time of emergency." Also, "any of various disaffected groups of citizens that are organized as to resemble an army and that oppose the authority of the federal government."

The relevant history? From Wikipedia:

"The obligation to serve in the militia in England derives from a common law tradition, and dates back to Anglo-Saxon times ... that all able-bodied males were liable to be called out to serve in one of two organizations, the posse comitatus and the fyrd, a military body intended to preserve internal order or defend the locality against an invader. The latter developed into the militia and was usually embodied by a royal warrant.

"Every parish furnished a quota of eligible men, whose names were recorded on muster rolls. ... Each household was assessed for the purpose of finding weapons, armor, horses, or their financial equivalent. The trained bands performed an important role in the English Civil War on the side of Parliament."

America began as frontier colonies, far from the mother country. Protection in times of emergency, mostly from external threats but also from domestic insurrection, in the absence of an army or police force, depended upon the mobilization of ordinary citizens.

In the American Revolution, militias played a vital role in overthrowing the tyranny of the British Crown. Later, the state of Massachusetts raised a militia to put down Shay's Rebellion.

The U.S. Constitution provides for federal regulation of the militia. Prompted by Gen. St. Clair's defeat in battle with American Indians, Congress passed the Militia Acts of 1792, giving the president, according to Wikipedia, the "authority to call out the militias of the several states ... whenever the United States shall be in imminent danger of invasion ... whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed by combinations too powerful to be suppressed."

The latter was intended to thwart future Shay's Rebellions. It was soon used by President Washington to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion against taxes on distilled spirits.

The militia, at the time of the Second Amendment, was used for common defense of the frontier and suppression of domestic insurrection. Having just established a representative government with internal checks and balances, only a minority of our Founders would have felt the need for the additional check of an armed citizenry ready to violently oppose the authority of a regularly elected popular government.

The militia has since become obsolete. The U.S. military provides national defense. The National Guard backstops police in maintaining domestic order.

What justifications of arms remains?

- Self-defense. Police cannot be everywhere at all times.

- Hunting, for food and recreation.

Only with complete collapse of government would self-defense revert to the status of open frontier. Even the most deadly firearms would be an insignificant check against tyranny. We have police, National Guard and the U.S. military. All of them are unlikely to collude in tyranny. They operate as a check on each other.

Personally, except for hunting rifles, I would prefer that firearms be reserved for professionals who protect and serve. However, I live in a country where that is not the opinion of the vast majority and likely will never be so. I respect the Constitution and the right of my fellow citizens to bear arms.

Even our most basic right, the right to vote, requires registration so that there can be an orderly process. Unlike firearms, voting has caused few violent deaths.

It is reasonable to require registration of firearms, holding the owner responsible for the safety, proper use and transfer of his property.

Just as we do with ownership of automobiles. It is also reasonable to regulate the number of cartridges per clip, making more frequent reloading necessary. Finally, it might be a good idea to put metal detectors at schools and other public spaces where our young and vulnerable assemble.

Tom Goergen lives in Aberdeen. Contact him at tgoergen@nc.rr.com.

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Devout_Heretic 2 months, 2 weeks ago

" ... the right to vote, requires registration..."

Ok, following that we will need to register everyone to qualify for the "right to free speech" or the right to "not testify against ones self", etc.

The problem is not guns. The problem is people. People who have had it ingrained in themselves since birth that they are "entitled". They are entitled to not work, not be responsible for their own actions, entitled to enslave the medical profession so that they may have free medical care, etc. The list goes on and on.

Until that problem is addressed, situations like Sandy Hook and Aurora will continue.

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JimRussell44 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"The problem is not guns." Absolutely correct!!! The problem is people with guns. People who have been ingrained in themselves since birth that they are "entitled" to have firearms of any description and in any, unregulated quantity. People who demand the "right" but shun the "responsibility" of gun ownership. The big fear with gun owners is, if guns are banned, only criminals will have guns. How do criminals currently get guns? They buy them because we don't have a good system in place to prevent them from buying guns. They steal them because gun owners are not responsible enough to secure them from theft. The NRA and most gun owners are opposed to having a very tough gun registration law because they fear their own government more than they fear criminals buying guns that are unregistered. The NRA and most gun owners claim they are all responsible individuals who follow all the rules in the use and storage of firearms, yet every single day in any newspaper in this country, you can read police reports of guns being stolen from legitimate gun owners. The solution to the problem lies in the hands of legitimate gun owners. When they are willing to admit that their request for unfettered freedom of gun ownership is part of the problem, that they will have to be the ones to agree to stiff gun registration rules and show more responsibility as gun owners, then we'll start seeing the gun deaths go down. And those same gun owners need to pull people like "Devote_Heretic" aside and explain to him that unemployed people in need of medical services are, for the most part, not to blame for mass killings. Dragging the unemployment and health care issues into a gun control discussion shows just how dumb some people commenting here can be.

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Smallville 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Listen, I Hunt but it's got to the point it is not a sport when you need a assault weapon. Now anyone who wants to have a challenge and think they are some great hunter let them try building a bow and arrow instead of buying all this high-powered equipment. I bet 10 to 1 they'll start whining that it's too hard. Challenge yourself cause before the next day anyone of you will give up because it's too hard. I bet none of the Gun Owners could do as their ancestors did before guns was invented.

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Courseaire 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I bought a '88 Dodge van four years ago and I've bagged my limit of deer every year since.

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skylinefirepest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Smallville...wrong!!! I was talking to a fellow fireman this morning that was talking about hunting 3-400 pound feral hogs with a bow and arrow.

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Spocks_Brain 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The government uses the general welfare clause to justify a million different things, and the 2nd amendment uses a modifier 'shall not be infringed' therefore that is the law. Sorry

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dentman65 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Courseaire - I have a sign in my bodyshop that reads" SEE YA NEXT DEER." Everyone gets a good laugh out of it.

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Themis 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Skyline - I have heard those hogs will turn and attack and can kill you very easily. Is that true? I am not a hunter, but I am a multi gun owner and I love to shoot skeet and trapp.

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skylinefirepest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Themis...no personal knowledge but that is what I've been told for several years. And the hogs are destroying crops and even doing extensive damage up at the Blue Ridge Parkway. They are apparently all over N.C. now, just like the coyotes. And it's legal to hunt them at night.

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skylinefirepest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

JimR....the criminals got guns recently because the Obummer administration gave them to them!! And now cover it up by Presidential order! How's that for how the criminals get guns?? And you put it at the feet of the legitimate gun owners BUT....let's say my house is locked, and my guns and jewelry and a few dollars of spare cash are in my locked house and a criminal breaks in and grabs my gun....well, it WAS locked up!! You'll not keep the criminals from getting weapons by holding law abiding people responsible. They keep getting drugs don't they?? Guns are used many, many more times to prevent crime than are used in crime but you guys don't want to take that into consideration. And you, my friend, have gotten hung up on finger twitches, dis-regarding the fact that semi-auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. And then you holler about the government not being interested in coming into our homes and taking our firearms BUT...it happened by armed law enforcement and National Guard troops just recently!!! Remember when and where, Jim??? Taken from law abiding citizens of America at gunpoint!!! By the government that I don't trust but you do.

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nothingspecial 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Courseaire, you are a scholar and a hero! Thanks for always reminding us that it is not necessary to get too wrapped around the axle in this comments section!!!!

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JimRussell44 2 months, 2 weeks ago

skylinefirepest, the criminals also got guns from the Bushbumma administration in a ATF "gun walking" program called Operation Wide Receiver but I'm guessing you didn't object to that at the time. Selective outrage does not play well with credibility. I believe that approximately 2000 weapons were involved in the Operation Fast and Furious debacle, of which about 700 or 800 have been traced and recovered with several "straw" buyers brought to justice. While I don't claim to have actual figures to back this up, I'm guessing that criminals steal at least 1200 firearms a day in the USA. These are firearms that are stolen from law abiding, "responsible" gun owners. So we can holler and scream about the government putting guns in the hands of criminals yet claim it's unfair to hold gun owners responsible for putting an equal number of guns into the hands of criminals each and every day. At least there was a defined purpose for doing what the government did. I do not argue that guns can and do prevent crime. My belief is that we pay law enforcement officers to handle that job. If you want to live in a civilized society, we need to stop acting like we live in the jungle. So my point is still this: Gun owners and their lobbyist, the NRA, are what is standing in the way of progress. You are the ones who must agree to thorough background checks, rigid gun registration policies, the banning of military style weapons for use in the general populace and strict enforcement of the laws. Note that not one word about doing away with your 2nd amendment rights. The rest of us are already on board, we're just waiting on you.

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Guy_Forks 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"Even the most deadly firearms would be an insignificant check against tyranny."

And a goat herder from khakistain can't level a building in NYC, must have been Bush "the moron"'s plan to invade Iraq!

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JimRussell44 2 months, 2 weeks ago

skylinefirepest, almost forgot to address your question about citizens having their guns confiscated. Yes, I certainly am aware of the situation of which you speak. New Orleans was in anarchy, law enforcement was there to protect EVERYONE, including themselves. As a fireman, I would think you would have some understanding of why taking that extreme measure was necessary. When you have desperate people in a desperate position, you must do what is needed to diffuse the situation. If 100 desperate people were in a building with a million tons of dynamite and ten of them had matches, you would be taking away the matches, not handing them out or ignoring them. The actions taken were based on the extreme conditions that existed at the time. Any attempt to link that to a government plot to take away your rights is completly ignorant.

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jimt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Spock: "The government uses the general welfare clause to justify a million different things, and the 2nd amendment uses a modifier 'shall not be infringed' therefore that is the law. Sorry."

The government has "infringed" on a gun owner's unfettered right to own (bear) firearms in countless cases. You cannot legally own a sawed-off shotgun; you cannot legally own a fully automatic firearm; you cannot legally own a an RPG, or hand grenades, or various kinds of ammunition. So are you suggesting; that all these "infringements" are un-constitutional?

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Spocks_Brain 2 months, 2 weeks ago

yes they sure technically

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Sean 2 months, 2 weeks ago

In Oklahoma the police arrested a woman and found a .22 pistol in her vagina.

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Middleman522 2 months, 2 weeks ago

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/07/politics/customs-furloughs/index.html

This fake sequester is bad enough, but if this news is true, and illegals find this info, this pathological liar needs to be impeached. This is the poorest leadership I have ever seen. This makes Carter look like a president, and that's almost impossible! Is this how you keep citizens safe, Russell, Heim, jimt???

50,000 border workers laid off, and this was Barry and The Radicals' idea to start with. This is how you tell the difference in a liberal and a progressive. Which one did you kool-aiders vote for?

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Sean 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Just pick and article and post away Middleman. Wipe the slobber from your chin.

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skylinefirepest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

JimR....wrong again, my friend. These were confiscated at gunpoint, with some violence, from law abiding American citizens...saying during an extreme emergency doesn't hack it. Why take my firearm from me when there are looters in the neighborhood and I am protecting myself and my home. You agree with that???? Maybe you and I don't have much common ground after all. Oh, and those law abiding citizens are not "putting guns" into the hands of criminals. They are, after all, locked in a home which the criminal breaks into and you scream about his having his guns "not locked up"????

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mymindwanders 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I get more and more disgusted with each and every one of jimrussell44s posts. He's like a revovling door going round and round, he's just not getting anywhere. If you don't like guns fine. Don't have one. But quit telling me how i should live. I will keep my guns, Thank you very much..Get over yourself!

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dogboy 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Sean, was that a BUSHmaster she was packin'?

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jimt 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Middleman, you are so far out on the radical right fringe that your assessment of current events borders on the pathological. Somebody really needs lots of valium and anti-depressants, and it ain't Jim Heim, Jim Russel, and me. Chill....join YukonJohn, and really chill.

And I got the answer I expected from Spock. At least he was intellectually honest enough to clearly state his position....it's nuts, but it's clear.

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Courseaire 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Let me know when you find a gal that can pack a 44.

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Yukonjohn 2 months, 1 week ago

JimT, Yes we chill up here. And at least, for the most part, we are safe and secure with our guns and our food and our situation in life. We do have room for some more, and l would welcome many of the posters on here, from both sides of the fence. If you go back, you will see that l have not bashed the President very badly. I disagree with the direction he is trying to take our country, and wonder how in this world so many otherwise good Americans are following his lead. When it comes to the sequester, he has been so disingenuous that l am starting to think of him as a liar and a manipulating liar. It is so very obvious that these "cuts" were just cuts in the INCREASE of the spending, and as a govt. we are going to be spending more this coming year than we did in the previous. I now become one of the people that are totally displeased with this man as our President. Impeachment, that might be a step too far, but he needs to be reigned in and held in check the rest of his term.

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