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This is a response to the letter “Obama Needs Some Lessons” (Jan. 6) by a retired 30-year Army veteran.
His career is very honorable. I am a retired 35-year high school math teacher and coach from New York State, and my career is very honorable as well.
I’d like to comment on his nitpicking and complaining about President Obama’s salute and his hands in his pockets.
Let’s make a comparison.
Did he complain about the lying, draft dodger George Bush’s total disregard for our brave servicemen and women by sending them in harm’s way, ill equipped in some instances, for his immoral, unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq?
This invasion was based on lies and fabrications by Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, etc., and the infamous “mushroom cloud” comment and scare tactic by the puppet Condoleezza Rice.
Does he complain about the Republican tea party “wingnuts” that are holding Congress hostage from accomplishing their tasks, such as approving the secretaries of state and defense without a huge fuss, and passage of a superstorm Sandy aid package; also, some swift measures on reasonable gun control and ban of assault weapons?
How about the huge blame game directed at Hillary Clinton with respect to the tragic loss of four lives in Benghazi?
Life is precious, and we cannot accept the loss of these lives. But where were the “wingnuts” when Bush recklessly sent our brave soldiers wrongly into Iraq, costing many more than four lives?
The cost was 4,488 American lives, more than 100,000 estimated wounded, and at a cost of approximately $1 trillion.
Where is the outrage for this? This is something to complain about.
A suggested reading for Obama haters and Bush lovers: “The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder,” by Vincent Bugliosi (not fiction, not opinion, just the facts).
Frank Lisco
Pinehurst
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Courseaire 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I for one am outraged!!!
LBK 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Great letter Mr. Lisco! I too am outraged!!
bufordsplay 3 months, 3 weeks ago
blah blah blah....yammer yammer yammer.....
clarabelle 3 months, 3 weeks ago
damn ............... only couresaire. i expected the real cry babies out tonight.
packwilleat 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I was as outraged then as I am now. But somehow Obama is different?
by Randy
JimL 3 months, 3 weeks ago
The writer of this letter is so misinformed that I have to assume that Frank Lisco is a "nom de plume" for Dusty Rhoades.
fugitiveguy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
and they call "us" wingnuts. I'd love to compare medications lists with them. Frank sounds like a level headed guy though. I'm sure he reamed Kennedy and Johnson for Vietnam back in the day.
fugitiveguy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
"Did he complain about the lying, draft dodger George Bush’s total disregard for our brave servicemen and women by sending them in harm’s way, ill equipped in some instances, for his immoral, unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq?"
I wonder if the author would support the US dropping out of the UN. That way when their resolutions were repeatedly violated the US wouldn't have to be their muscle. Maybe if the left would end its opposition to our exploiting our own energy we wouldn't have to involve ourselves so much with what goes on in the oil producing countries.
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
fugitveguy, we are producing oil and gas at record levels. We've reduced our oil imports by one-third. Which other president could say that?
Matt_Woodruff 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Ignorance is bliss
SH59 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Great letter, thank you! The expectation of perfection here is ridiculous and pathetic; if you haven't learned by now that no one is perfect including yourselves then I'd say you are not only imperfect but ignorant and stupid. Isn't it possible to concede to a good point made by a writer for the sake of conversation or does it always have to be a bunch of grumpy old white men who are determined to see only their view against the rest of the world.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 3 weeks ago
The writer of this letter is so misinformed that I have to assume that Frank Lisco is a "nom de plume" for Dusty Rhoades.
I've used several pen names, but not that one, sorry.
You idiots really can't believe there's more than one person who disagrees with you, can you? It's bizarre.
Courseaire 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I 'm now even more outraged!!!!
dentman65 3 months, 3 weeks ago
As a veteran myself of the 3rd Armored Division from Fort Knox and a Republican, If Democrats don't like the war they have had plenty of time to bring the troops home. Bush did not ask to be attacked, it was handed to him. I would think at any time Obama can issue one of his famous "executive orders" and have everyone home in six months. Has he tried? Has it been mentioned? I do not think it has. Sad as it is to say the Romans knew the worst thing to do with an army is "Nothing." A baseball team that never plays a game will perform poorly when they do. Warmongers know this. The hard part is that Bush did not really declare war on a country after the Iraqi war, We declared war on a cult,a very large and dangerous one spread out all over the world. I think we are fighting a war on too many fronts, and at times lose track of just who the enemy is. Further more, there were just as many Democrats sitting in the Congress and Senate that raised their hands and voted for war. There are just as many Democrats sitting by and doing nothing about it. It is not a Republican war, it is our war. It is our sons and daughters and neighbors coming home in body bags. Obama, as our commander and cheif can make a movement to stop it all. Lets see what he does in the near future to stop it.
AFCHIEF 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Dentman welcome aboard be ready to bet chastised by the sheep liberals on these blogs
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Speaking of Hillary Clinton, she certainly seemed to have a butt-kicking good time before Congress yesterday. Today should be great fun too!
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Dentman, Bush may not have asked for the attack, but he was warned of it repeatedly for months and chose to let it happen. That's almost as bad as Benghazi.
AFCHIEF 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Heim as with everyone in Obamas administration she blamed everyone but herself for the tragic events at Benghazi. For her to not even READ critical cables was ignorant. Still to this day NOT 1 person has been fired.
AFCHIEF 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Heim you want to blame Bush for 9/11 7 months into his presidency. If BILL CLINTON was more focused on terrorism instead of Monica Bin Laden would have been dead a long time ago. Both World Trade Center attacks were because of Clinton's lack of focus on terrorism
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
afchief, Bill Clinton personally warned Bush before he took office of the dangers bin Laden presented and why Clinton tried repeatedly to kill him. Bush ignored it completely.
Have you forgotten that Bush's attorney general (Ashcroft) submitted plans in August 2001 to cut the FBI's counter terrorism budget. He said that pornography was a bigger threat to our security than bin Laden. He refused to take al Qaeda seriously.
The CIA warned Bush over and over of an attack on our soil. Bush's own counter terrorism people were desperately trying to get him to act.
Clinton had twice monthly meetings with his counter terrorism and intellignece teams to assess the threat from al Qaeda. Bush had exactly one (in August) in his first seven months. Yes, I blame him, and as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
JimL 3 months, 3 weeks ago
In response to Dusty Rhoades: I have no problem with people who disagree with me. My problem is with people who make up their own "facts" in order to disagree with me. e.g. The Senate voted 77-23 in favor of launching the was in Iraq and both Sen Kerry and Sen Hagel voted "Yes".
packwilleat 3 months, 3 weeks ago
When will you guys realize that things are the way they are because that's the way they want it?? There are no "parties" there is the ruling class and you. It's all one big theater designed to keep you wishful and hopeful fools.
by Randy
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
"Bush did not ask to be attacked, it was handed to him." said dentman65
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Frank Lisco good letter and specific ~ except for the TEA crowd and Republicans.
dentman65 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I am in no way qualified to argue if Bush had been warned about the 911 attacks. I doubt as many of you do that much goes on in this world without the knowledge of at least one of our intelligence services. Toda has stated that the people responsible for 911 were from Saudi Arabia, that does surprise me. I am quite sure that I have way too much faith in our government. Saudi Arabia as I understand is a huge ally of the U.S.,why would they allow such a thing to take place inside their own small borders if they like us so much. Can someone explain to me and this board why the United States would give any aid to any country that would allow such terroist activity in their country. Why can't we cut them off until they handle the problem themselves? I realize I am somewhat nieve but would appreciate some insight. Thanks to the board for not being too rough on a newbie.
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
dentman65 ~ welcome to the Pilot Enquirer Boards. You post honest questions that deserve honest answers.
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda-post some pics of your sweeties when you come back. I <3 dogs!!!
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Pack-your pic is actually very accurate. Washington's sitting around saying: "Let's keep 'em at odds while we do what the hell we want-with their money!!! LOLOLOLOL
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
"Nothing to see here folks, just keep going at each other like rabid wolverines!" OR "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"
United we stand --- divided we fall...
Yukonjohn 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Goodmorning Dentman65. I hope you enjoy the discussions here on the Pilot. They so graciously allow us to have this forum, albeit spirited to say the least. I hope your skin is rather thick, you will need that. LOL
On the issue of Saudi. I spent over a year there back in the 70s, before we were there really, in four deployments. The Saudi's do not like us. Many of them were educated here, and then they are officers in the military. Many of them come here and as our liason officer told us, "I tried to drink all your whiskey and make love to all your women" and then when he was back in Saudi, he was a "good" moslem. If we had attacked Saudi on 9/12/01, I would have RAN to the recruiter and tried to re-enlist, but we did not. I guess that we figured that Saudi was too important to us as a source of oil and a place to put bases to fight in the middle east. I repeat, they do not like us, not even a little!!! They, like the extremist, feel the US is the great satan, and that we are all infidels. IMHO, we could find no WORSE ally in the world. I am sure all have heard, "with friends like that, who needs enemies?" This is the case with Saudi Arabia.
packwilleat 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Polarization station.....................
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160097/obama-fourth-year-office-ties-polarized-ever.aspx
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Gallup is such a great polling operation. Just ask President Romney.
Middleman522 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Just add up the real lies told by the Bush admin and this one. Don't nicpic or stretch your imagination, just add them up. Bush did not have to lie about his parents wanting to have a child, we knew his parents..... Do any of you kool-aid drinkers know BO's parents, the one that Democrats paid to bring here from Africa to deversify America, I mean secure more votes. Boy did they get a bonus, they bought a President, decendant of commi parents!! Keep drinking!
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm especially fond of the Democratic time machine we used to plant that story about Obama's birth in a Honolulu newspaper. The Republicans have nothing like it.
packwilleat 3 months, 3 weeks ago
The point I was trying to prove by posting that Gallup poll is that our country is now strongly divided by partisan politics. Either side is willing to believe whatever their party leaders tell them, blindly, and that poll proves it. You don't need to believe the poll to tell you "how it is", just spending a short time on here will allow you to come up with the same conclusions. You know what they say when you point fingers...................
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Bush Admits ‘Majority’ of 9/11 Hijackers Were Saudis
"Jon Ponder | Jan 16, 2008 Six years too late, George W. Bush has finally acknowledged that 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were citizens of the U.S. ally, Saudi Arabia:
Link to Page
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
teufelhunden => Join me on FB, I have pic's of Bosco and Pippa Middleton in my photos ...I love animals more than some humans.
Yukonjohn 3 months, 3 weeks ago
“There’s a lot of really good people here [in Saudi Arabia]. Look, you can’t deny the fact that some, a majority, of the terrorists came from Saudi, but you should not condemn an entire society based upon the actions of a handful of killers.”
Toda, we disagree here. They hate us!! In the most stringent terms, they hate us. I say let's get out of all these countries that are not our FIRM allies, and we should even scale back our presence there. We should not have embassies or consulates in any of these countries. We pull our troops back to our borders and DARE any country to attack us. If they do, we use up some of our nuclear arsenal and destroy the entire country that has attacked us. Easy to do, and after the first country that is stupid enough to test us, the rest think long and hard before attacking us. In the case of Saudi, we should have gone in with a massive air strike, destroyed Riyadh, Jeddah, Mecca and Medina and been done with them.
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree => that statement was quoted from the source, not I. The question was something regarding what our warriors were doing in Iraq to start with ... a trillion (plus), we still have troops there.
Yukonjohn 3 months, 3 weeks ago
We most certainly agree here. I still do not know why we were in Iraq. When l was in Saudi, we almost went to Baghdad instead of Riyadh, because at the time, Sadam Hussein was our "ally" but for some reason, we went to SA. If l was a friend of the US in one of those third world country, l would be terrified!! Look at how we treated Manuel Norrieaga, Ferdinan Marcos, Baby Doc, the Shah of Iran, so many that the list keeps expanding. All of these people were "allies" of the US at one time, only to be "outted" by us when the stuff hit the fan. I think the only reason we went into Iraq was to defend the honor of President Bush the elder when Sadam Hussein said he would kill him.
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda-I agree on your statement about some humans...LOL
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Yukon-I bet you have some really cool stories.I find you so interesting and I learn so much on these posts, thanks!
teufelhunden 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda-Love that name for a puppy! "Pippa" is so cute. What breed is she?
Middleman522 3 months, 3 weeks ago
wdd101st you are my new hero. Thank you for doing the leg work that maybe will shut these yappers for a while. You are a great American, Sir!
Middleman522 3 months, 3 weeks ago
wdd101st, Liberals really are not lying, because they actually believe the garbage that they hear on the TV. Then the Kool-Aid spins it like an acid trip and there you have it, a spewing lib that will not listen. At least on here, they have to read and when the truth hits them in the face, they must finally shutup!
Middleman522 3 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/
More Clintonesk moves by Barry and his Radicals, that are found to be UNConstitutional!!
fugitiveguy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
"At least on here, they have to read and when the truth hits them in the face, they must finally shutup!"
I'm sorry, Barry himself could address the nation tonight confessing he was purposely trying to bring down the US and somehow the lefties would hear something all together different. He is their deity and liberalism is their religion.
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
wdd - Bush was not a draft dodger. He was a deserter. There's a difference.
Worse, he paid lip service to the Vietnam War and then refused to accept deployment there. Quite an American.
But then what would you expect for a man who spent most of life on drugs and alcohol.
Thatcher 3 months, 3 weeks ago
JimHeim-- You have to admit that it was only because Bush was a deserter that Obama was able to cut the deficit by $2.4 trillion. Be fair and at least admit that fact. Cheers!
fugitiveguy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
What was Bill Clinton doing during the Vietnam war. At least John Kerry went to collect bandaids and develop his anti US propaganda. Albert Gore? did he serve?
lakeview 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Speaking of Hillary Clinton, she certainly seemed to have a butt-kicking good time before Congress yesterday. Today should be great fun too! --Jim Heim
Hillary sounded a bit like Otter from Animal House. "The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties ...we did."
JimHeim 3 months, 3 weeks ago
fugitiveguy - Yes, Al Gore served. How could you not know that. He once ran for president. It was in all the papers.
One might wonder what you did in the war, given your contempt for those who served.
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
teufelhunden 1 day, 1 hour ago Toda-Love that name for a puppy! "Pippa" is so cute. What breed is she?
BTW: I have friends on the boards who post threads and are also FB friends. I never reveal their names or information. That will come soon enough when the Pilot changes are implemented. No harm no foul....Tommy
Toda 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Hillary for President ...