Could This Nightmare Happen?

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Don't know about the rest of you, but I had Diet Coke coming out my nose after reading this letter.

Courseaire 4 months, 1 week ago

I wonder what this person takes before she goes to bed - I'd like to get some of that stuff.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Bet she watches a lot of the Fear Channel, aka Fox News.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

Fox News is a hell alot more informative than the Kool Aid channel MNBC

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

I don't why the hell you continue to insist I'm some kind of huge MSNBC watcher, Chief.

Oh, wait, yes, I do. You're Eastwooding again.

First did anyone really think about the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. When was the Constitution? 1787 What were the type of weapons in 1787. Compare the weapons of 1787 to now. Big difference isn't there. Individuals in 1787 would not be able to carry out such outrages acts that are flooding us today. I am surprised I have not heard any arguement in regards to this type of thinking. The Second Amendment was acceptable for the era is was established. Things become outdated and gun rights are one of them. So when gun owners want to fight and bring up the second Amendment, take their current guns away and give them the guns of 1787.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

No, Ms Wilson, you can fear not about this issue. There would be another civil war prior to that senario happening. Hopefully this will be settled and settled soon with everybody singing and holding hands in unity, although not sure at this time.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

LBK, then take away the guns of the military and police and give them the weapons of 1787. See how ludicruos that argument appears now? The 2nd Amendment is not about my right to own hunting rifles.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Here are the horrible, terrible, tyrannical executive orders that gun nuts have been predicting would lead to civil war and threatening to "start killing people" over:

Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
Nominate an ATF director.
Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

TO THE BARRICADES, CITIZENS!

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

LBK...open letter to you...when you are willing to give up your tv, your cellphone, your internet, your car, your electricity, etc...then you can talk to me about giving up my semi-automatic rifle. Understand now, old boy??? Our forefathers were a hell of a lot smarter than that group in Washington today!!

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

OMFG He wants to "nominate an ATF Director!", "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education!" and "Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations!"

THE MAN IS WORSE THAN HITLER AND STALIN PUT TOGETHER! TO THE HILLS! PACK YOUR BACKPACK WITH SOME FOOD AND LET THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS WATER THE TREE OF LIBERTY!

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

I'm betting not a single one of the wingnuts having hysterics and threatening civil war because Biden suggested that there might be some executive orders in this package of proposals will acknowledge how stupid they've been. If they even mention it, it will be to blame Obama for their insanity because "it sounds like something he might do, so it's his fault we went batspit crazy."

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

JimR...answer from the other, closed section...I'm not going to try to discredit your claim...my bad presuming you're correct on your dates. BUT...does it make any difference to the victims?? Have we had any government intervention to prevent such incidences?? Does our government do anything at all except try to ban something?? Do you have any idea why our government wants to ban something rather than try to solve the societal problem?? Think about that now...why does the government ( meaning mostly the Democratic Party ) want to ban some series of firearms?? Certainly someone smart enough to be a Senator is smart enough to realize that a semi-auto is a semi-auto, right?? Why does our government want to ban "assault rifles"? Why do some people call these semi-auto rifles "suitable for military use" when our military does NOT use them?? Why do you personally not accept "military style" firearms? Think about the big picture, here. I've invited you out to the range to show you the fallacy of your thinking and you won't take me up on it. Is it because down deep you know I'm right and the style of rifle or magazine capacity won't make a whit of difference? Do you accept the philosophy that I can do way more damage with a twelve gauge shotgun than someone could using a "military style" rifle?? I was born and brought up with firearms, like most Southern boys, and I'm not going to let you or anybody else vilify me for owning firearms. That crook Holder can kiss my "grits" with his demeaning comment about gunowners. And so can anyone else who thinks that I will feel guilty about owning them!!

jimt 4 months, 1 week ago

"Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

This is one of the President's executive actions that he presumably intends to implement. It's o.k., as is, but I wish "biometric" guns had been explicitly noted. Further, developing this technology, I'm informed by those with far more expertise than me, is a $50 million project or less. Surely he could find a way to transfer already appropriated money to fund competitive R & D projects. In two years, maybe less, the prototypes would be ready for commercial production.

Dusty I like your points too, very well thought out.

As to Ms. Wilson, I think the great Ray Davies, said it best when he wrote:

I'm too terrified to walk out of my own front door, They're demonstrating outside I think they're gonna start the third world war, I've been to my local head shrinker, To help classify my disease, He said it's one of the cases of acute schizophrenia he sees.

Well the milkman's a spy, and the grocer keeps on following me, And the woman next door's an undercover for the K.G.B., And the man from the Social Security Keeps on invading my privacy, Oh there ain't no cure for acute schizophrenia disease.

I've got acute schizophrenia, paranoia too, Schizophrenia, schizophrenia, I've got it, you've got it, we can't lose, Acute schizophrenia blues.

I'm lost on the river, the river of no return, I can't make decisions, I don't know which way I'm gonna turn, Even my old dad, lost some of the best friends he ever had, Apparently, his was a case of acute schizophrenia too.

I got acute schizophrenia, paranoia too, Schizophrenia, schizophrenia, I've got it, you've got it, we can't lose,

They're watching my house and they're tapping my telephone, I don't trust nobody, but I'm much too scared to be on my own And the income tax collector's got his beady eye on me, No there ain't no cure for acute schizophrenia disease.

No there ain't no cure for Schizophrenia disease.

OldPilot 4 months, 1 week ago

Ms. Wilson has been watching too many NRA commercials and/or old science fiction movies. Can't help but be amused by the right wing wacko "you can have my gun when you pry it from my dead, cold fist" type responses. As in the movie Men In Black, when the alien newly arrived to Earth accepted Egnars' "....dead cold fist...." offer, we accept your offer.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

A good PR move by the President, but somewhat misguided and possibly illegal. While l do not want unbalanced people possessing guns, having doctors turning people in or asking them about their gun ownership is probably illegal. I think in DR's points, number 10 is kind of funny. Does that include the list of guns lost during Fast and Furious? Plus, the CDC should not be involved in Americans excersing their right to own weapons. And, by the way, this is a right, not a priviledge.

Hembloche 4 months, 1 week ago

I imagine by doctors, he means mental health professionals. It is perfectly legal to ask someone about gun ownership. Why would you think it wouldn't be? From foxnews.com: "According to Dr. Keith Ablow, psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team, if a psychiatrist’s patient discusses a plan to do harm to someone during a therapy session, then the medical professional has a legal obligation to take action." They are required to report to a law enforcement agency, and if the threat is to a specific person, they also have to inform that person. It's trickier if they think someone "may" be a danger, but don't have any definitive proof.

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

Sandy Hook 'truthers' and the paranoid quest for meaning where there is none

Good read and see how many Pilot posters you can think of when reading it. Sandy Hook truthers are the new birthers.

They believe the plot is so elaborate and intricate that the spark of life to this new anti-gun movement -- the murders in Newtown, Connecticut -- was by design or didn’t take place at all. They swear either way it was a faked crime scene, a performance of the most conceptual sort, devised precisely to provoke the kind of outrage we’ve seen since, and which is fueling these new proposed measures.

Yes, you’re reading right: The so-called Sandy Hook truthers believe the murder of 20 children was a government plot to strip Americans of their guns, a way for Obama the dictator to consolidate his power.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon ~ all rational concerns are irrelevant with this crowd. Just like it is irrelevant that Adam Lanza was denied the right to purchase a weapon. The system worked like it was intended didn't it? So the only logical conclusion to be drawn from all this is the left's desire to advance their agenda on gun control. But in all "fairness" Obama has proven he is good for something..........

by Randy

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Looks like AF "Another Obama Son" CHIEF has progeny of his own:

by dustyrhoades

“I’m not f_ putting up with this. I’m not letting my country be ruled by a dictator. I’m not letting anybody take my guns! If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.” Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yf6S)

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

JD, you are incorrect. That is about the most bizarre post l have seen in my couple of years on the Pilot online. Truthers?, the new Birthers? Come on JD, you really do not believe this do you? And then to put it into print? You are incorrect.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

And yes, Pack, he is the best gun salesman in this nation. He may turn around the whole economy with all the sales!! He may mean well, but he is misguided, and cannot regulate rights.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

I've looked at the 23 executive orders listed above. Could someone tell me which one, if any, of these orders would have prevented the Sandy Hook murders?

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Hey Thatcher, hope your day is going well. I keep coming back to Ben Franklin's comment about those that would trade a little freedom for a little security deserve neither. That might sound insensitive at this time, but it is relevant.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon-- "You are incorrect" (about the Sandy Hook "truthers"). Yukon, you are correct. The original article posted is authored by David Icke, a conspiracy theory guy from England. Here's his site: http://www.davidicke.com/. Many liberals here and elsewhere have tried to associate Icke with anyone who opposes Obama's gun control measures. Just goes to show how far they will go to make things up. Cheers!

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon! Things are too cold and rainy here. Terrible weather. Stay warm up there my friend! Cheers!

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

DR Obamas sons are on a string of ARMED robberies in Southern Pines. WHY don't you go down there and demand all them thugs give up there weapons.

clarabelle 4 months, 1 week ago

" AFCHIEF - DR Obamas sons are on a string of ARMED robberies in Southern Pines"

you are not only an idiot.......... but a bigoted idiot! I do wonder - how walmart ever hired you .....even a greeter needs a brain!

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Would all the folks who post on these pages, both pro and anti gun, both left and right please take AFCHIEF to task for his ignorant, racists comments. I would like to suggest that he be banned from ever posting here again because he contributes nothing but garbage to the discussion.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

Jimruss, what I'm speaking is the truth. The rash of Armed robberies in Southern Pines is being conducted by black males. If DR, clarabelle, or yourself are so concerned about gun safety feel free to go door to door in Southern Pines Upper west side and ask the criminals turn in there weapons.

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

Truthers?, the new Birthers? Come on JD

I know Yukon the truthers are much worse and demonstrate the derangement this country has come under. I didn't write the piece hence the italics and if you don't believe there are such people, you are kidding yourself. These guys, birthers, and 9/11 conspiracy nuts abound and hide in plain site. Or keyboards like some of your buddies.

moonchild7 4 months, 1 week ago

I'm not so sure you're right Thatcher about the Presidents list. No. 7 states "Launch a National safe and responsible gun ownership campaign." When this mother in Newtown took her sons to 'Target Practice" what was the responsibility of the owners of this range to "Note" "Report" or "Inquire" about the fact that she was bringing her sons to shoot there. Are there age limits or at least under the Presidents recomendation an age limit requiring anyone Shooting at a Range to have undergone "Responsible Gun Ownership" Lessons? In other words, just as it's everyones responsiblity, under the law, to report children who are being abused to law inforcement or to Social Services, what were her sons ages? Should they have been allowed to shoot without some lessons first from an authorized teacher? I'm just asking because I don't know. Children/teenagers learning to drive a car have to have lessons and be given a certificate to operate said vehicle. The father and even perhaps the brother of the Sandy Hook Shooter possibly knew he was "disturbed" and was around all of thosew guns, yet no one did anything to help keep this from happening. Ms.Wilson you need to have a "Sleep Study" done ASAP. Maybe even get those Nightmares analyzed, I think you need some Valium. The Government can legally regulate guns and their sales, it is NOT Unconstitutional.

jr27356 4 months, 1 week ago

This is the tyranny the founding fathers were trying to prevent when they put in the second amendment.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

MC7, Hi, hope you are having a good day. I was right with you again, right up to where your last paragraph ended:

The Government can legally regulate guns and their sales, it is NOT Unconstitutional.

That is incorrect. Go back and re-read the Bill of Rights. The 2nd Amendment is clear.

moonchild7 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukonjohn, you need to read the District of Columia v Heller Supreme Court Decision (2008) then tell me the same thing you just told me. You won't be able to. Oh, we might get a little snow tomorrow nite. Can't wait, I love it because it's so pretty on the Pine Trees.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon:

*Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.*

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the Court in DC vs. Heller.

You can engage in all the wishful thinking you want, but this is the law of the land. Guns CAN be regulated. And they will.

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

DR you didn't answer Yukon's question about Fast & Furious or Thatcher's question as to how any of those items would have prevented the tragedy in Sandy Hook.

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

Stay safe and warm Yukon!

Spocks_Brain 4 months, 1 week ago

What bunk-this obsession with guns is crazy. For once I agree with DR-heck you can date my sister-I do have to say why was there no move to call out rap music and video games which fuel aggression?

Spocks_Brain 4 months, 1 week ago

One objection Drs have no place in this and thats a bad idea, could be used for lots of other stuff...Obama doesnt rule doctors...

Spocks_Brain 4 months, 1 week ago

and bad wording...'dangerous weapon'...hmmm

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Would all the folks who post on these pages, both pro and anti gun, both left and right please take AFCHIEF to task for his ignorant, racists comments.

You know the right wingers aren't going to do it. They either agree with him, or they'd rather enable him than admit they've got a virulent racist in their midst. It's the problem the GOP has in microcosm. If they call their racists out, the party will fracture. So they just let it go on and on, and they keep losing.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

DR, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Thankfully we live in a place where about every six months they have an UNconcealed day and everyone carries, on the outside for all the world to see, as Willie Nelson sang. Merchants say they feel comfortable with armed customers, and there is no crime on those days.

You guys better try and stay warm and be careful if/when you get that snow!! MC7, hope you get the exact amount you desire. If it gets on the road, SLOW DOWN and be very careful!! At least it will go away in a few days. We are having stellar weather here, 20 below at night and warming up by the weekend to zero...perfect weather for here.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

teufel, I'm not obligated to answer every BS attempt to distract, sidetrack, or hijack the discussion, especially from someone like Thatcher who's just going to make up some lie about what I've said.

I'm not here to have a discussion with you right wing idiots. You're beyond logic, persuasion, or facts. I'm here to try and correct the constant stream of wingnut misinformation for other readers.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

DR, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Well, Yukon, that's fine, as long as you don't pit your fantasy version of the law against what the law actually is in the real world. The law of the land is, guns can be regulated. Full stop.

The only question is, how much.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

skylinefirepest, sorry for the delay in answering your post earlier today, I have been busy celebrating the courageous recommendations made by our President, As you see from what he said today, there is much more involved in seeking a solution than simply banning a certain class of weapons. You asked if we have had any government intervention to prevent incidents like the ones I outlined for you. The answer is absolutly yes. Unfortunately, gun zealots like yourself, with support from the NRA, repeal legislation that is designed to help and block all new legislation aimed at helping prevent future slaughter of innocent people. You have determined that your rights trump everyone else's rights. I have decided to approach this impasse we have from a completly different perspective in an effort to get you to understand my viewpoint. I think I can do it by asking you one very simple question, which you can answer either yes or no and provide a brief explanation of why you answered as you did. The question: Do you believe Iran should have nuclear weapons?

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Dusty ~ laws of any kind only exist because people choose to obey them or others choose to enforce them. If I am not harming anyone by my actions, any law to usurp individual liberty is seen as tyranny. No man holds authority over another unless a willful contract is signed, otherwise it is called (your favorite word)....................... slavery.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

DR, I'm not here to have a discussion with you right wing idiots. You're beyond logic, persuasion, or facts.

Same token because I don't agree with your views I'm a racist. I swear you must have been seriously bullied as a child and you lash out at anyone you disagree with.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

The question: Do you believe Iran should have nuclear weapons?

Jim, I know this question was to skylinefirepest, but l had to answer. Why not? Israel has them, India has them, Pakistan has them, why should it be any of our concern?

Also, you said that skylinefirepest's "rights trumped everyone else's rights". I disagree. The rights you refer to are AMERICAN rights.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

An open question to any on the anti gun legislation side: In the case of the Connecticut school shooting, do I have my facts correct here? 1) The shooter had a known mental condition. 2) The mother of the shooter legally purchased all the guns used in the shooting. 3) The shooter had access to the weapons he used in the shooting. 4) The anti gun legislation folks think there was nothing that could have prevented the school shooting. If the mother would have been required to divulge the mental condition of her son during the background check, resulting in her not being able to purchase the guns, would that have made a difference? If the mother had properly secured any weapons she had in the home, especially knowing of her sons mental condition, would that have made a difference? If the mother had only been allowed to purchase a six shot hand gun and/or a six shot rifle, would that have made a difference? The NRA and the pro gun faction likes to point out that they are all responsible gun owners who understand and respect their weapons. They all like to say that they are the good guys who obey the laws and are patriots in the defence of themselves and their country. I say that the shooter's mother was a typical gun owner who was none of these things. She placed weapons within easy access of a known potential illegal user and did not secure the weapons properly. This is how the shooter was able to obtain the tools needed to commit the mass killings. This is how many firearms get into the hands of criminals. And yet the pro gun faction wants to do absolutly nothing to prevent a recurrence. Patriots indeed.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukonjohn, thank you for answering my question. Your comments reflect how I answer that question as well. Regarding rights, sometimes our "American" rights seem to clash. I don't have the right to stand up in the middle of a movie and start singing opera at the top of my lungs, even though I have freedom of speech. That's because I respect the rights of others to enjoy the movie.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

I have heard skylinefirepest make the same statement that I heard an official from the NRA say earlier today. That is, the size of the large capacity clips used with the semi-automatic weapons makes no difference in how many people a gunman can shoot. Their contention is that if large capacity magazines are banned, it would make no difference to the shooter, since they can switch clips in a matter of a second or two. I thank them for pointing this out. While that extra second or two could potentially save several people from being shot, it occurs to me that we should be banning all firearms that operate with a magazine clip feeding the ammo into the semi-automatic firearm. In other words, pistols and rifles should be limited to a fixed number of bullets that can be loaded into the gun. I'm thinking that six should be enough for hunting, target shooting and self protection. Six would be five more than our forefathers had with their flintlocks. The police and military would still have access to the big stuff, ensuring that they will not be out gunned during confrontations with criminals. It would take some time to clear the millions of these weapons already in circulation but if we remove the bulk of them through a buy back program, we would put a crimp in the supply getting into criminal hands. Through attrition and shootouts with the criminals, most, if not all could be removed from circulation.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Obama has been in office for 4 years, why hasn't these been done already?

He has. Republicans have used the "hold" power to block it.

For the past six years, the Senate has not confirmed the nominees for ATF director by Obama or President George W. Bush. In the first case, individual Republican senators have placed a hold on the nomination. Obama’s first nomination was never acted upon. The lack of a director was simply the most obvious manifestation of an effort to make sure that the ATF lacked the staffing, equipment and powers to police the gun industry, according to gun-control advocates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obamas-nomination-of-atf-director-signals-battle-to-strengthen-agency/2013/01/16/a272d4f2-6020-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html

Have any of you seen the report where NBC admitted that they lied when they said the shooter at the school had an AR-15 assault rifle in the school.

No. Got a cite to NBC's actual admission (and not what some gun nut claims they saw)?

(This should be good. Asking wdd to back up his BS usually results in some entertaining fumbling around on his part followed by claims that the info he provided that contradicts his story actually proves it. Click on his username for a prior example).

Courseaire 4 months, 1 week ago

As a wingnut,

In answer to Dusty's question on AFCHIEF: I don't know whether he is a racist or not, though his words do come across as racist, however, it is his opinion and he's allowed to express it - same goes for Spocks_Brain & a few others. It defines them & you know where they are coming from - take it for what it's worth - not much.
In answer to JR44 about Iran's quest for Nukes: As a country, they should be allowed to do anything they please within their borders without our interference. However, if they do something that is a threat to the US, we should be allowed to sanction trade against them.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/gunman-kills-20-children-at-school-in-connecticut-28-dead-in-all.html?_r=0

Dr. Carver said it appeared that all of the children had been killed by a “long rifle” that Mr. Lanza was carrying; a .223 Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle was one of the several weapons police found in the school.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html

The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance.

The Newtown superintendent of schools statement: “That morning was like every other morning–after all, routines are comforting to kids. Until about 9:30, when a troubled young man carrying two guns, one of them an AR-15 assault rifle, shot out the glass window to bypass the buzz-in system at the door and changed the lives of so many people in the next few minutes.”

So I guess the state cops. the school superintendent and the medical examiner are all part of the conspiracy too?

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Same token because I don't agree with your views I'm a racist.

Doesn't matter what you agree with. The evidence is there for all to see.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Dusty ~ here is a link to the NBC report that states "officials" confirm that four handguns were found inside and that the AR-15 was left in the trunk of the car.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

DR so I take it that you not go and collect these illegal weapons from the thugs

moonchild7 4 months, 1 week ago

When it comes to the PARANOIA that's swirling around in SURVIVALISTS minds shouldn't that be a "Mental Health Question" asked of persons buying guns? As in: "Do you hoard food, clothes, weapons, and gasoline because you think the end of the world is coming soon?" Anyone read the story about the woman in Dallas, TX who bought a gun at a local gun shop and then went out to her car and killed herself? The shop is being "investigated" to see whether the shop perfomed an "adequate" background check. At least she didn't kill anyone else. I had read that several friends of the Sandy Hook shooters mother stated that she was "afraid" and a "Survivalist". Of course a person could lie when asked "Are you suicidal" today or R U a Survivalist?" But we must start somewhere and the Presidents List of Executive orders is a good one to begin from. Individual rights and Liberty are very very important. I do not agree with many laws that seem to restrict our Liberties but as a Social Worker the issue of Freedom, Liberty, and Personal Responsibility were always our main focus. In other words we would have to examine and determine whether or not a persons "behaviour" was a threat to themselves or someone else's. That's where so many people outside the realm of these detrerminations at times disagreed but we had basic principles to follow. Does a HOARDERS behavior hurt anyone else? Mostly no but then again there were many people who didn't like people who "collected" things at all. Guess what? Too bad. If it wasn't hurting anyone then that person had the FREEDOM to live that way. Were laws being broken? If not then too bad. When it comes to guns and mental health though that's just a different set of principles that must be taken into consideration. Someone on these blogs accused me for having 'the blood of those children on my "hands" for some insane reason. No, not me of course but a lot of people around that family of the shooter has much to be troubled about since too many people actually seemed to know at lot about a "paranoid" mindset that exhisted there.

mcg2010 4 months, 1 week ago

There are a lot of comments to answer the author's question. No. Because no one proposing taking all the guns. That is not even in the same room as the table. Stop fear mongering.

jonathan_poverud 4 months, 1 week ago

Obviously the writer of this letter believes that such a situation is on the table. It is a shame she doesn't know about the National Guard Armory on Morganton Road. You know that "militia" mentioned in the 2nd Amendment that trains each month.

If you believe Mrs Wilson scenario is plausible you should be demanding that every gun owner is brought under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We can't afford to have a overweight, unprepared and marksman-ly deficient second militia. That's what we demand of the National Guard who technically are volunteers.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Courseaire, thank you for answering the question I asked skylinefirepest. So far, he has not.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

wdd101st, I was offering an example of how people can get along for the common good by tempering the exercise of their rights and freedoms. I still had the "right" to sing opera at the top of my lungs but I did not exercise my "freedom" to do it at that place and time. You could say I banned myself from doing something stupid. The pro gun faction wants to be able to to exercise their "right" to keep and bear arms, but they don't want to limit their "freedom" to own and use semi-automatic weapons with high capacity clips, even though these weapons (tools) are being used to prevent other people from enjoying living. The vast majority of us just want to limit the chance another wackjob gets their hands on these types of weapons. We don't want to take away your rights, we want to ask you to temper your freedoms so that others can also enjoy their freedoms.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

wdd101st: While not related to the subject we have been discussing: Yes, I think we should all be required to carry health insurance. If we don't do it voluntarily, we need for it to be mandated. Now I will say that I also favor an "opt out clause" for anyone who does not want to be forced to carry health insurance. As a condition of opting out, you sign a waiver stating that you accept full financial responsibility for all medical care received by you. As for buying "stupid things for people who work for you", you'll have to be a little more specific for me to answer that comment.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Why are we having a debate over what news outlet said what as the story of the massacre was unfolding. On the scene news reports are almost always inaccurate in the specific details that are unfolding. Saying that NBC said this or Fox News said that is asinine. In the reports I have read, which were written after the facts had been determined, Adam Lanza had the following weapons with him when he went to the school: 1) a .233 caliber Bushmaster XM-15 semi-automatic rifle. 2) a 10 mm Glock semi-automatic handgun. 3) a 9mm Sig Sauer semi-automatic handgun. 4) a shotgun (type not disclosed). A "large quantity" of ammunition. He also left behind at his home, a .45 Henry repeating rifle, a .30 Enfield rifle and a .22 Marlin rifle. Police reports state that he used the Bushmaster XM-15 semi-automatic to shoot out the the glass door at the front of the school and they further state that the same weapon was used in the shooting of the victims. The weapon found in the trunk of his car was the shot gun. All the other weapons were found with the shooter. The argument within this discussion about whether he used the rifle or the handguns is really a moot point. All the weapons were semi-automatic with high capacity clips, the exact type of weapons that must be kept out of the hands of the general public.

JimHeim 4 months, 1 week ago

This letter got a lot of laughs around here, too. But the author doesn't need to depend on local hunters to defend the poor, helpless 82nd Airborne from invincible jihadists. I hear that US high school kids are adept at defeating invading armies.

And according to 'historian' David Barton, history has shown that arming grade school kids prevented shootings in the 1800s right here in the USA. and in that time there were only two gun mishaps. Clearly the solution is to arm the third-graders for a secure America.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Hi Jim, hope life is treating you well and that you are well.

I believe that third graders are a bit young to arm for protection in schools, but in high school, we used to always have a gun or two in the car. There was never a problem. In rural areas, guns are a part of growing up.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

JimRussell ~ no it is not a moot point, this is where I have been hoping this conversation would lead to. The problem with all this regulation talk is....... where does it end? I have several semi-auto shotguns. I'm a bird hunter and most stay pluged to only hold 3 rounds(federal law) but they can easily hold 6-10 rounds. Do you suppose that this type of weapon should be banded from public use? All pistols except a few are all semi-automatic. That is my concern with this entire issue. Where does it stop? My guns have never harmed anyone, nor do I intend for them to. How is it "fair" that a law abiding citizen like myself should be demonized as some sort of potential mass murder and have my rights usurped for the actions of a hand full.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Dusty ~ here is a link to the NBC report that states "officials" confirm that four handguns were found inside and that the AR-15 was left in the trunk of the car.

There were never "four" handguns. Clearly, as the story itself states, there was a lot of "contradictory' information and a fair amount of misinformation, like the often repeated reports that Lanza's mom was a teacher at the school. Are you saying that because NBC reported that, then it's the gospel truth, too?

I'm going with the reports of the superintendent, the medical examiner and the state cops, who weren't just frantically trying to get stuff on the air, like the networks always do. "Get it first, even if it's wrong" seems to be their motto. Unfortunately, that's fodder for conspiracy nuts.

The shotgun was in the car. The handguns and Bushmaster went with Lanza. That was the finding of the people who investigated the matter once it became clearer what had happened.

So, wdd, where's the clip of NBC "admitting that they lied" as you claim? Still waiting.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

At least FOX news was reporting it correctly from the first day.

And they were reporting it was the AR-15.

The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation who was not authorized to speak about it and talked on condition of anonymity.

Authorities said Lanza used a military-style assault rifle and carried handguns during the rampage at the school. They still have no clear reason why Lanza would lash out at defenseless first-graders and their caretakers.

Poor wdd. Just can't stop stepping in his own BS.

Now the fun begins as wdd101st tries to wriggle away.

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

Sorry JimR...had a little surgery to schedule so I haven't been back till now. Yeah, you're definitely talking about banning just about all of the firearms currently available to law abiding citizens now. To answer your question...I personally feel that Iran ( who has threatened the destruction of a sovereign country ) should not be allowed to have nukes...but Iran is also a sovereign country so what business is it of ours??? The second part of my answer is that Israel will turn Iran to dust if so threatened, so once again, what business is it of ours?? And Jonathan...the militia referred to in the Second Amendment is NOT the armory on Morganton Road. Is not now, and never was!

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

Oh, and JimR...your statement about limiting one's ability to protect themselves and their loved ones should be limited to six rounds...never had to protect yourself with a firearm, have you?? What a stupid statement from a usually intelligent person! IF you had a gun, and IF you were being threatened by one, two, or more and your wife and kid's were in danger....would you want that six rounds??? OR would you want that thirty round mag?? To me that's not even fair of me to ask of a gun hater!

JimHeim 4 months, 1 week ago

skyline, you are quite wrong. The founders were afraid of keeping a standing army (especially if it was controlled by Congress). And there was no National Guard. So the states decided that we needed militias to put down rebellions, defend against foreign attack and, of course, (for the Southern states) put down slave revolts.

And they promptly passed a law requiring white men to buy rifles and ammunition. Those men had to frequently muster so their weapons could be inspected. And they required registration on public rolls. I'm afraid they did not consider any psychotic with an assault rifle to be the well-regulated militia!

Now that we have a standing army and every state has a National Guard, the second amendment is merely an anachronism. We don't need farmers and hunters to repel invaders.

And the framers never ever meant for our well-regulated militias to overthrow the government they just created. If you disagree, show me the debate they had on the subject.

My new slogan: 'Piss off a liberal - shoot some six-year-olds'

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

JimHeim ~ define militia for me.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Jim H. You are kidding, right? Let me go back and l will bring you tons of writings about the exact thing you say the 2nd Amendment is about. Serious? Aren't you the Democratic Chairman for Moore County? How many documents do you desire...is half dozen from founders/framers enough? Twice that?

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

I was just doing some reading and found that 6 states, even including NC address the idea of revolution if a govt. becomes opressive to its people. I was a bit surprised by that, because l know our Constitution in Alaska does not have that clause (yet).

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

Jimmy the H...I'm not even going to bother to respond to your uneducated drivel. When the dems of Moore County got you to be their spokesperson were they aware of your educational shortcomings??? Well, they got their money's worth!! You do work for free, right? Because the stinking leftist liberal loonies don't like the Constitution and the Second Amendment simply won't make them go away.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Jimmy the H...I'm not even going to bother to respond to your uneducated drivel

You just did.

Pesty, there are few things that make you look stupider than a response that begins "I'm not going to respond."

samosamo 4 months, 1 week ago

How many Guns did Lanza have? He must have had to reload at least once and be a very good shot.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

You're the one that brought Fox up, wdd101st. And even they contradict the incorrect NBC report. This is exactly the same video that pack posted, from the MSNBC website (OMG You used MSNBC!)

So much for "Scrubbed and marginalized." So much for your 'coverup."

This report repeats a lot of disinformation that was later shown not to be true, to wit: FOUR hanguns (no one now believes he ever had more than two), as well as the untrue claim that Lanza had been in an altercation at the school earlier in December.

Let me ask you, wdd: there were also reports from the media that the shooter was actually Lanza's brother. Does that make them true? There were reports that Lanza's mom was a teacher at the school. Does that make them true?

Finally, you claim that NBC "admitted they lied" when this video shows no such admission.

One thing this video (already posted by pack and discredited) does show is that there was some incredibly shoddy journalism going on, people rushing any old tidbit of "information" they could get onto the air. It does NOT prove that Lanza left the AR-15 which you so fervently worship in the car, a claim that, again, has been discredited by the state police, the medical examiner, and the superintendent. Again, are you saying that all of these people, from three different agencies, are lying, and if so, why?

Sorry, wdd, your crackpot conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to examination unless you can answer these questions. I'll repeat them for clarity:

There were also reports from the media that the shooter was actually Lanza's brother. Does that make them true? There were reports that Lanza's mom was a teacher at the school. Does that make them true? The state police, the state medical examiner, and the superintendent all cited the AR-15 as the murder weapon. Are all three of these people lying, particularly the medical examiner who performed the autopsy? Why?

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Note that I fully expect wdd, who is impervious to logic and persuasion, to insist that this one NBC video, plucked from a site the wingnut profess to despise, to be the One True Story, despite the other misinformation contained therein. I also don't really expect him to answer these questions, but rather to go off on another 'liberal liberal lawyer lawyer meanie meanie meanie" rant. But the non-insane reader can make up their own mind by observing that.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Here's something I wrote back in 1999, after the Columbine shootings, that sadly shows how little we've learned:

So what prompts this type of well-intentioned but ill-informed idiocy? I put it down to the obsessive desire to get something on the air or in print, NOW, before someone else gets it first. In a previous life, I worked as a cameraman in a TV studio. I soon noticed that getting the story on the air first was an obsession among the "talent" (a word I can no longer use without giggling). The reporters always had one eye on a bank of TVs in the newsroom to make sure no one else was getting a story they didn't have. Reporters who got stories on the air before the competition were rewarded with everything from pats on the back to big raises. I never saw anyone get praised for taking the time to get a story right. And once someone got a story, everyone else rushed to cover it for fear of being left out. This combination of the "get it first" syndrome and the accompanying herd mentality is a guaranteed recipe for sloppy journalism.

Courseaire 4 months, 1 week ago

DR - Spot on then & spot on now. This is why I wait days for current news, where one of them will eventually get it correct. I even wait days before I believe a weather report.

moonchild7 4 months, 1 week ago

That's right because it was being reported that Moore County would be getting some "snow" last nite...maybe an inch or so? Yet this morning there was no snow on the ground. But did it ever actually SNOW? Only if you were up last nite as I was, would you have actually seen some snow. It was snowing last nite but it melted when it hit the ground. My point is, that my brother who now lives in SC talked to a friend of his this morning who lives in Moore Co. and he told him that it DIDN'T snow. But I told him that it did because I was awake and went outside my house to actually see it snow. Now, who's story is correct? Did it or didn't it "Snow?" My brother is a "right winger" type and while he didn't say it I still think he believes his friend because he just naturally DOUBTS everything I say, no matter how true it is. There are conspiracy people saying that the children at Sandy Hook Elementary weren't killed, that it was just a "training exercise" to be used to Ban Assault Rifles by the Obama Administration. Those who have totally UNREAL TRUTH DENYING MINDSETS will NEVER believe the "other side"...No matter how much TRUTH hits them between their eyes. Sad but TRUE.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

I even wait days before I believe a weather report.

Heh. Good one. And thanks.

The kind of sloppy journalism that ALL of the networks practiced during the crisis is one of the things that feeds crazy conspiracy theorists. "Well, if you're saying this is true, then why did NBC say that?" The answer is: sometimes they suck at their job. This is why I look at a variety of news sources, from Fox (yes, even Fox) , all the Big Three networks, the Post, the NY Times, through the BBC, even to Al Jazeera English, and don't put my complete trust in any of them.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

So we can put wdd down with Pack as one of the "Sandy Hook Truthers." Any of you other Pilot message board conservatives on board with this? skylinefirepest? fugitiveguy? AFChief? thatcher? teufelhunden? Come on, speak up. Do you think what happened at Sandy Hook was a tragedy or a conspiracy to TAKE YER GUNZ!??

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

And wdd's failure to answer my questions is duly noted.

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

Your inability to answer two questions the other day was also duly noted. Your lame reason also duly noted. Haha

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

teufel, I'm not obligated to answer every BS attempt to distract, sidetrack, or hijack the discussion, especially from someone like Thatcher who's just going to make up some lie about what I've said. I'm not here to have a discussion with you right wing idiots. You're beyond logic, persuasion, or facts. I'm here to try and correct the constant stream of wingnut misinformation for other readers.

So just to be clear we don't need to respond to your BS anymore either right? Yay!!

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

So, teufel, you a Sandy Hook truther or not?

And as always your lame imitation of me is the sincerest form of dimwittery.

JimHeim 4 months, 1 week ago

Those who actually want to know what the founders considered a militia and why they wrote the second amendment the way they did should study the deliberations of the Virginia constitutional convention. It was extensively debated on June 16, 1788.

If that's too much work for you, there's a recent article based on those deliberations here:

http://tinyurl.com/bg362tg

The founders did not intend the citizens to overthrow the government there were creating. That would be stupid.

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

Pilot message board conservatives on board with this?

Just the usual nuts. The rest of us condemn it. There are more base conservatives than wingnuts. But squeaky wheels get attention.

JimHeim 4 months ago

MONTVILLE TOWNSHIP, Ohio - Two men are under arrest after their target shooting with an AK-47 assault weapon sent bullets flying through a Medina County neighborhood Wednesday afternoon.

One Parnham Drive resident, unaware of the hail of bullets, scurried back into her home as police arrived to warn her and her two small children of the danger, another homeowner ran to her basement. Montville Township police found themselves dodging bullets as they tracked down where the shots were originating. “When I get about a half mile back in the field up on a hill, gunfire started again, and started hearing rounds go over my head,” said Montville Police Sgt. Matt Neil.

Ah yes, your 'well-regulated militia' in action. All praise to the second amendment.

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