Laws Must Provide More Protection

DaveyNC 4 months, 1 week ago

On average, 2,590 people die from home fires each year, most of which started in either the kitchen or bedroom. We'd better enact kitchen and bedroom control before we enact gun control. http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/pdf/os.homes.pdf

Should probably enact heater control, too.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Thank you for your letter, Mr. Howell. The statistics you present should serve as a wake-up call but, as you will soon see, will be scoffed at as junk science and will be dismissed. You will be assailed as an anti gun nut who is out to take guns away from everyone except criminals and a proponent of the repeal of the 2nd amendment. Thank you for your courage in speaking up.

The_AnonymusProfit 4 months, 1 week ago

This is just another sign that most people think the second amendment is there to protect guns. Its not. Its there to make sure we can overthrow the whitehouse. Think you can do that with a 22 bolt action?

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

The statistics you present should serve as a wake-up call

Wingnuts hate statistics. They're happier just making stuff up.

njc17 4 months, 1 week ago

Hate statistics, Dusty? When more people die from falls, we'll ban gravity,people killed by Hammers, ban construction equipment, Truth be told, There are more deaths from drunk drivers, Ban cars?. There ARE laws out there, enforce them.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Wingnuts also apparently like straw men.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

DR stats like your bogus graphs on the other post. Unfortunately liberal people believe crap you post as fact

geoffcutler 4 months, 1 week ago

If any of the recommendations made so far by those would increase gun control measures made even an ounce of sense, there might be some reason for the millions of us legal, Constitutionally backed gun owners to listen. So far, it's just been dumb-talk. Like this letter.

"About 150 children and teenagers are unintentional firearm fatalities in the U.S. each year."

Stop accidents inside private dwellings with more federal gun laws? Like DaveyNC said, better enact kitchen and bedroom fire controls first. Accidental fire causes way more unintentional deaths. Dumb-talk!

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

DR stats like your bogus graphs on the other post.

See what I mean?

OldPilot 4 months, 1 week ago

Good letter. According to "The Anonymus Profit": The Second Amendment exists not "to protect guns" but "...to make sure we can overthrow the whitehouse"? Firearms are inanimate objects and don't need "protecting", it's the right to "bear arms", whatever that means, that the Second Amendment protects. As to the rest, are you just generally opposed to rational thinking and all manifestations of common sense or do you just have bad luck when you're thinking?

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Its there to make sure we can kill policemen and soldiers if we don't like the government.

There, Ryan, fixed that for you.

BTW, can you even legally possess a firearm?

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

Given the rage that was heaped upon me last week when I toasted the anti-gunners lack of caring about saving lives, I expect no different from the likes of Old Fa...excuse me, oldpilot, who would rather rage about guns than save lives!

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

In your opinion letter, you state that l am at a greater risk because l have a number of guns in my house. I will take that risk, for the benefit of being able to protect my family. I will also keep my guns for all the reasons the 2nd Amendment stands for.

The_AnonymusProfit 4 months, 1 week ago

Yes dusty my right to carry was returned via petition. And old pilot you can say what you please. Does not mean i am wrong

DaveyNC 4 months, 1 week ago

By the way, whitehouse.gov is now accepting whatever petition someone wishes to post. If 25,000 sign it, they will respond publicly. There is now a petition to establish "Gun Free Zones" around the President, Vice President and their families. If you care to read and sign it, go here: http://goo.gl/qwbPG

If we are going to have to disarm, then so should the politicians.

I once saw a great movie where only the police and the military had guns. Have any of the rest of you seen "Schindler's List"?

njc17 4 months, 1 week ago

It's sad when one who believes he is respected, cannot reply to opposing posts without slandering, insulting or use the 'strawman' option as a response. Please Dusty everybody is allowed their opinion, and everybody can draw facts. Can you just respond to people without insulting them? or is this your job with the Pilot.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

njc17, when I see you or any other one of the whiners applying the same standard of "civility" to right wingers here as you apply to me, then maybe I'll take your complaint seriously, instead of regarding it as just another lame and useless attempt to stifle someone you haven't got the ability to answer any other way. Until then, you can go pound sand.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

DaveyNC, I went and signed up at whitehouse.gov and signed the petition. If we are only going to allow criminals to carry, then no one should!!!

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

well, except for the criminals, they can still carry.

What an idiotic idea but one whose time has come l guess.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon!! It's 75 degrees here...like a sauna in January! Sorry you missed it. It will return to cold soon, but the last two days here have been fantastic. Stay warm up there, and keep your guns safe! Cheers!

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Hey Thatcher!! I have been seeing that ya'll have great weather. We do too!! About 30 above here. It is going to cool off though, but it is like sauna weahter here too. And yes, I am keeping my powder dry!! Best Wishes to you and yours!!

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

So how come its ok for Obamanations kids to go to a school that has armed guards but for everyone else this is a bad idea.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

This is an incredibly stupid question, even for you.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

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DaveyNC 4 months, 1 week ago

Hey Reggie, care to point out the "jagoffs" for us?

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Sad. And pointless.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Are the people free to distill their own alcohol or do what they want to their own bodies through drugs, sex, or desire?? No, they are not. But keep thinking you're going to save everyone, you're only making them submissive to your will. Like I've said, you are only as free as you allow your neighbor to be. Pretty simple philosophy, yet most of you FAIL at it every given chance.

DaveyNC 4 months, 1 week ago

Actually, Reggie, I was hoping to be one. I'd just as soon be on the opposite side of the argument from someone who is incapable of making an argument or having a civil discussion and, lacking that ability simply calls people names.

AlvinAmerica 4 months, 1 week ago

I see talk of 'bogus graphs', etc.. The misinformation, and sometimes downright lies coming from the leftist anti-gun folks is sad to see.

The fact that the Pilot, the newspaper of the golf resort community, that doesn't report real news, as it would be bad for tourism, and the fragile pysche of the well kept, didn't 'report' that an important gathering is taking place this weekend regarding our Constitutional rights. I know, the Constitution is an impediment to many readers, but still the core of our America. You'll have to go to the Aberdeen Times, online, to get the information.

Alvin America and the wonder dog Dharma

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

AlvinAmerica-- Survival of the Constitution is not depending on whether The Pilot covers your event more than another local paper does. Seems to me it depends more on what you do. There are lots of folks here who love the Constitution, and you could learn from them as they learn from you. I suspect not a single person here, including The Pilot editors, care if you read another newspaper, and we don't have to go to another newspaper "to get the information." Many of us here already know it, and discuss it here in great detail. You should join us! And I think you'll have fun. Cheers!

DaveyNC 4 months, 1 week ago

Gotcha, Reggie. Maybe you should go back up north, where all those brilliant, nuanced minds are.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

agreed Davey!! Reggie, might glance in a mirror.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher, hope you have had a fantastic weekend. I have been hearing how nice the weather has been there. Ours is stellar here as well, although after some snow, it is going to cool off again to around 35 below...somewhere a bit more comfortable for us!!

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

See AlvinAmerica? Take Reggie_Mantle. His last post is a desperate plea to save the Constitution. OK, his last post has nothing to do with the Constitution...instead it is an attempt to incorporate the 'tard joke he heard in 10th grade into a post on these threads. And unfortunately, the results are always the same. You see, these posters believe that when they post the 'tard insults, there's another poster on their side yelling into the computer screen, "YEAH! STICK IT TO THE MAN!" The reality is they are given as much respect as the kids who throw toilet paper into your trees during parties. So try things out here. You might like it. Cheers!

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

You have just shown everyone one of two things. Your age, or more importantly, your IQ.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

"Jebus Mary and Joseph, will you get the hell over yourself? You're not a teacher here, you're just another one of the 'tards who thinks he's important somehow." Reggie_Mantle in all his glory. This is his element. He can call you "a 'tard," or "a damn 'tard." in so many ways. He can express joy: " This is the best porcelain cat I ever got since the last one, you 'tard." Sorrow: "The only reason I failed chemistry again is because my teacher is a 'tard." Excitement: "That 'tard didn't check my ID!" Global Warming: "Anyone who does not believe in global warming is a 'tard." Reggie, you inspire so many. Cheers!

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Gosh Reggie, I would think that a liberal like yourself would not care about whether someone was gay. I would respond but all the liberals on this site are condemning you.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Oh, you're right about that Reggie. It always amazes us that only liberals like you can see homosexuality, and then condemn it. You have a talent. A gift. Quit your job. You are a gay dog-sniffin' machine. You found us. Yukon, meet my wife and kids...I feel so ashamed about hiding them from you. HA! Cheers!

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Jebus now Reggie Mantle. Dusty you have seen Identity haven't you??

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Reggie, Young man, is it not way past your bedtime? Many times this arrested development stems from a tramatic. If that is the case, I am sorry. Can't do much to help ya on that one. That said, l do hope you understand that they have "rules of engagement" on here.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher and Yukon ~ hope you guys are doing well. If it sounds like Dusty and smells like Dusty, it probably is Dusty. Speaking of Dusty, what's wrong man? SPUWS wasn't the brain child you had hoped him to be?

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Dang Reggie, you got me. My wife distracted me from that last post. I do apologize. It should have read:

Many times this arrested development stems from a tramatic childhood and problems with one's mother.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

pack-- Reggie is right. I have been defensive. When a liberal calls you a "flaming queen" it's best just to accept it. I am not just gay, I am a "flaming queen." Thanks Reggie for helping me be the man and woman I've always wanted to be. Your words have given me freedom. But tell me, when is the best time to call someone a 'tard?

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

LMAO!!

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon and pack-- We tried. But Reggie the liberal caught us. So be it. I love the smell of your hair after a polar bear hunt. Yes, I wear a lace teddy when I fish. So what? Please Reggie, don't ruin the one thing we have left.

clarabelle 4 months, 1 week ago

wow............ dumb, dumber, even dumber, and dumbest........

and to think I was going to read a book....... :)

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher, l knew it was way past his bedtime. School has gone back in session hasn't it?

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Thus concludes the serious portion of our program. We now return you to the rollicking fun of addressing gun deaths in this country. When we last heard from The AP, Ryan was explaining the purpose of the 2nd amendment and how it cannot be properly implemented using a "22 bolt action".

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Thank you CB for coming to spice up our evening!! I knew something was missing.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Hi Jim. You know he is right. The 2nd Amendment is not there to protect my right to possess a hunting rifle, or a muskett. Hope you have had a great weekend.

clarabelle 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon ....... you are very welcome.

btw - I have to admire you .......... always courteous and lucid in your thoughts - and.......... I even agree with you on some points :)

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Yeah, ClaraBelle, while we don't agree all the time, l have never had a problem with your civility towards me. I try to be civil to all on here, but there have been a couple that tried my patience. I hope you have had a great weekend with the nice weather. Our weather has been superb, but maybe even too warm. We hope to never get up above freezing in the winter, it messes things like the roads/snowpack etc. up.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

If it sounds like Dusty and smells like Dusty, it probably is Dusty.

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Actually, pack, since you're fond appending the word "tard" , (as in when you called me a "douchetard") I figured it was you having that breakdown that you've clearly been right on the edge of for so long.

SH59 4 months, 1 week ago

In response to the article, isn't it more responsible to teach safety and educate rather than create laws that won't be followed? People are so afraid of guns because they don't know anything about them. I'ts like owning a car but never learning to use it until an emergency and then the stupid driver kills himself.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

Obama with his Son talking gun control

by AFCHIEF

clarabelle 4 months, 1 week ago

" AFCHIEF - Obama with his Son talking gun control"

once again................. the drivel! Don't you ever have to clean your outhouse?

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukonjohn, you really do seem like a reasonable guy, which makes it difficult for me to understand how you can not at least consider the position I have taken on semi-automatic weapons using large capacity clips. My views have absolutly nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights unless you believe that an average American should have the right to possess any type of weapon that could be fabricated. That would run from guns to nuclear weapons and falls within the words our founding fathers wrote: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." "Arms" means more that just guns, it covers weapons and ammunition and is a shortened version of the word "armaments. Machine guns are "arms", rockets are "arms", nuclear bombs are "arms", yet we have elected to restrain (control) their availability in the general population. All that most reasonable people are asking is for semi-automatic weapons with large capacity clips be included in this catagory of arms that we already agree to limit access to. The other important thing to consider is that reasonable Americans believe that doing so is only one piece of the puzzle. Improvements in the identification and treatment of mental illness is another large piece of that puzzle, as is closing loopholes in record keeping of gun sales and implementing laws already on the books.

AFCHIEF 4 months, 1 week ago

Here is what happens with gun control

https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

AFCHIEF does more to discredit the pro gun side than almost anyone else.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

AFCHIEF, you might want to do a little more digging into the REAL facts on the gun control legislation passed by Australia back in 1996. 85% of Australians support that legislation, which means the youtube link you provided represents the thoughts of 15% of the Australian population. The legislation in question was implemented two weeks after a shooting spree in Tasmania killed 35 people. In the 10 years prior to the Tasmanian massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in Australia, since the legislation, there have been none. In addition, gun related homicides dropped 59%, gun suicides dropped 65% and there was a significant drop in robberies with a gun.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Jim, I will readily admit that l do not hold any magic miracle answer to this problem. I also admit that there is definately a problem, but l think it is more of a societial issue. The one thing that is crystal clear to me is what l believe the founders/framers said and meant by their writings at the time. They felt sure that the time would come, and probably come fairly quickly, that our own govt. would possibly become a bunch of tyrants. I also believe that they put every possible measure known to them (and many things not known to them) to safeguard this fledgling govt. from becoming tyranical. I feel that they felt the citizenry should go forth armed to insure that those serving in high places would know that they had better be honest and forthright, or they would incur the wrath of the citizenry. I believe we have moved from where the govt feared the citizens, to where many citizens fear the govt. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said that when the govt. feared its citizens, that was liberty, but when the citizens feared the govt. that was tyrany. So, now you know where l get my views from. Should l be able to purchase a nuclear bomb, probably not, but should millions be able to purchase an assualt rifle, absolutely.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Jim ~ I've got a solution. Let's get rid of all guns/bombs private and military/leo. Then give everyone a sword. If anyone wants to kill anyone or go to war.......you now do it face to face like a man.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

But in all seriousness, the technology already exist. Anything that can be deemed illegal was made by man and can be recreated by man with little effort. Converting a 5-7 round magazine into a 30+ round magazine will hardly take more than the know how of the average shade tree mechanic. All any of this ban/illegalize this will do is ignite a black market and waste more tax dollars trying to fight the mess we created. It will end up like the war on drugs, poverty, terrorism and so forth. A war you can not and will not ever win. It sounds all roses when Liberals first dream up these schemes to save the world, but they hardly look into the long term implications of their actions.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Packwilleat, using your theory, we should just eliminate all laws and regulations since people will find ways around them anyway and all we'll do is run ourselves into debt trying to enforce them. Perhaps the founding fathers did not "look into the long term implications of their actions".

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Jim ~ no offence here, but you quickly debate any topic with "life boat" type scenarios. You might as way say the only reason everyone is not a murderer...... is because there is a law that forbids murder.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

But Jim if everyone is free to do as they choose and not harm their fellow man with their actions. Who really gives a hoot what they do or what they own? The Liberal ideology that all accidents can be prevented is inherently asinine. S*#t happends, get over it. Live and let live.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukonjohn, like you, I certainly don't have all the answers. But I do have lots of questions. I question whether we still have the same set of circumstances that prompted the need for a 2nd amendment in the first place. Do we really think we are going to overthrow our government by invading Washington DC with our small arms slung over our shoulders? That may have been possible in the 1790's. I really don't think it would be successful today. Do you? So we're really talking about keeping a certain class of weapons out of the hands of the general population, just like we have done for other classes of weapons. The discussion about defending ourselves from our government is really just a smoke screen. In the words of A. Lincoln, we are a country "of the people , by the people, for the people". We ARE the government.

Courseaire 4 months, 1 week ago

The discussion about defending ourselves from our government is really just a smoke screen. In the words of A. Lincoln, we are a country "of the people , by the people, for the people". We ARE the government. This is not totally correct: The government is made up of people that represent our interests and the 2nd Amendment was put into place in case these Representatives started to misrepresent and bully us, giving us another means (other than ballot) to remove them from office. Also, Lincoln's speeches do not carry the same weight as the US Constitution.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

We are a people with a government, not a government with people. The "we" that we all keep referring back to is the very people that have no desire to enter into the world of politics and wish to live their life as they please.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

If anyone wants to kill anyone or go to war.......you now do it face to face like a man.

Pretty hilarious, coming from you.

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

You know, we have a different "take" on being the govt. In Alaska, we ARE the govt. We live by referendum style of govt. If there is a law we disagree with....we get a bunch of our friends sign a petition and when you get enough, it is validated, and the issue comes up on the next ballot. I know it gets more difficult when you have more people, but as far as l can tell, it still works. We own our resources collectively, which is socialist, but it works for us. We have a savings account with over 40 BILLION dollars in it. There are 600,000 of us that own this, and it is where we get our dividend from every year. We feel MUCH CLOSER to our govt. than ya'll probably do. We personally know all or most of our politicians, and can call them or see them when they are not in Juneau and we do not hesitate to talk to them. I think they know we would recall them in a heartbeat if they really mess up and do not do what they were sent to do in representing us.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

JimRussell44-- While there are many left-of-center posters here, you are by far the most courteous and well-spoken of the group. Obviously a very bright guy who is also reasonable yet passionate. Thank you for your contributions on these threads. We may not always agree, but I respect your opinions here. Cheers!

Middleman522 4 months, 1 week ago

Not to repeat, but is this what you want? As a state senator in Illinois, President Obama opposed legislation providing an exception to handgun restrictions if the weapon was used in the defense of one’s home.

Obama’s vote would have maintained the status quo, which made it a violation of municipal gun ban law to use a firearm to save your own life in your own home. But the bill was passed anyway without his support.

The vote is a sign of how committed Obama may be to strict gun control measures.

The Illinois vote is hardly ancient history, having occurred in 2004 as Obama was running for election to the U.S. Senate. In opposing the measure, Obama lined up well to the left of the mainstream, as the Illinois Senate included 32 Democrats to 26 Republicans but approved the bill by an overwhelming margin and subsequently overrode a veto by then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Obama did not participate in the veto override, which occurred in November 2004, likely after Obama had resigned his state Senate seat in order to prepare for his new role in the U.S. Senate.

The Illinois legislation was passed after a man who shot a burglar in his home was fined $750 by his town for disobeying its handgun ban. The absurdity and injustice of the situation doesn’t seem to have made much of an impression on Obama.

Just eight years earlier, in 1996, Obama answered “Yes” to a survey question asking whether he would support state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” The Obama 2008 presidential campaign claimed the form had been filled out by an aide who mischaracterized Obama’s position, even though Obama’s handwriting was found on survey.

Food for thought for liberals. I also suggest Russell stop putting words in peoples posts that are not there...

nothingspecial 4 months, 1 week ago

According to the FBI in 2011:

-1694 were murdered with knives

-726 with hands or feet

-496 with clubs or hammers

-323 with rifles of any kind

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher, thank you. Let's work together to reduce gun violence in this country.

jonathan_poverud 4 months, 1 week ago

"The_AnonymusProfit 1 day, 18 hours ago This is just another sign that most people think the second amendment is there to protect guns. Its not. Its there to make sure we can overthrow the whitehouse. Think you can do that with a 22 bolt action?"

Actually, the second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What you describe is prohibited in Article 3, Section 3. It is called Treason.

Middleman522 4 months, 1 week ago

This has nothing to do with opinion! Gun rights protect Law Abiding Americans. Period.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

JimRussell, I contend that "gun violence" is simply a term of hatred made up by the left. I contend that there is NO gun violence...only violence, and until we come to terms with that then there can be no rational conversation between the pro and anti.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Skyline ~ Exactly!! Violence is the root of our problems, and how so many easily revert to it in order to solve their problems. I'm pretty sure more people have been killed with a simple butter knife than any other modern weapon. But the weapon is besides the point, violence rest only in the individual. It's funny how we grow up with our parents and teachers telling us...... don't hit, don't steal, be kind to strangers, and so on. But once we grow up, we realize that the real world operates on hitting, killing, theft, lies, deception, and usurpation. Far from any form of civilization we hope for our children.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

skylinefirepest. I agree that we have a "violence" problem. Violence can manifest itself in many ways through the use of many different "tools", from mental torture to nuclear annihilation. There is no law or ordinance or treaty that will ever prevent one individual or group from killing or wounding another individual or group. The best we can do is to establish codes of conduct and expect people to follow them. When they don't, we must either enforce the code established with a penalty, or we must change the code of conduct itself to more accurately reflect the current situation. What we can do is to place limits or restraints on the use of the tools used in the commission of violence. For example, we don't use nuclear weapons anymore. We don't allow use of biological weapons anymore. We don't permit the average US citizen to own ICBM's, sawed off shotguns or automatic weapons. So long as the right insists that the tools used in the commission of violence play absolutly no part in the act, we will never have a rational conversation between the pro and the anti.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Middleman 522, please stop screaming at us. "Gun Rights Protect Law Abiding Americans": tell that to the 26 people who were killed in CT.

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

And so, JimR, you on the anti side continue to vilify the tool, not the evil. Are you ever interested in writing the Pilot about a beating death, a knife death, a car death, etc.??? I didn't think so. Until YOU realize that the gun is not the problem we can't come to an agreement.

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

JimR, the 26 people in Conn. didn't have a gun to protect them...what a shame!! It must be that gun free zones are responsible for killing people...based on the realization that until there were "gun free zones" mass killings were literally unheard of!

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Maybe we should exert more energy into analyzing Sandy Hook..........

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWx9GxXYKx_8

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

packwilleat 4 hours, 5 minutes ago Maybe we should exert more energy into analyzing Sandy Hook..........

Next you'll tell me you have evidence it was the Government that planned 9/11...

0/10 for bad troll attempt.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspiracy-155033813.html

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/15/16529522-grandfather-who-comforted-sandy-hook-elementary-kids-says-truthers-are-targeting-him?lite

If anything Sandy Hook helped gun rights because the sales have skyrocketed.

Let me show you how to conspiracy theory pack:

[/spoiler]Did gun lobbies target school children with a man they put in protection (never saw the dead body like Osama did you?) to increase their profits and expand their influence?[/spoiler]

.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

JimRussell44-- "Thatcher, thank you. Let's work together to reduce gun violence in this country." Agreed, and you are welcome. It seems to me we should start this discussion by discarding options that are not available. I accept your word that you have no desire to ban guns. However, many on the left want just that, and have spent decades claiming that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what it says, or that it should be repealed or revised. This approach will never work, because there will always be insufficent support in the House, the Senate, and the states. Let's not waste time on such nonsense. Based upon your posts, you and I seem to be in agreement that felons and the mentally ill should be barred from possessing firearms. The murders in Arizona, Colorado, and Connecticut were all done by mentally ill persons. Identifying felons is easy, but mental illness is much more difficult. Many on my side criticize the ACLU for making it so difficult to institutionalize the mentally ill, and while my folks may have a point, to me the larger point is making sure there is a fair process in place before the government strips someone (the mentally ill) of their civil rights. I do not have the answer to this, but it seems to me that this should be the starting point of any discussion. Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers!

Middleman522 4 months, 1 week ago

Russell, I was not screaming, just cut and paste. Gun control kept that kid from getting a gun. He shot his Mom in the face while sleeping to get HER guns. Guns laws work. Mental health is not working and neither are a lot of parents. What parent wants to commit their child. There should be help that's not scary for both the child and the parent. Americans must be able to protect their families, from bad guys, from the mentally ill, from escaped prisoners, and from you ill advised liberals that vote marxists into the WH! Sorry could not resist!! Not to mention people that watch the AlGoreSeera channel...

Yukonjohn 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher I agree 100%. We need to concentrate on what can be fixed. There are many on the left that will not accept that I believe.

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

JD ~ you're doing it wrong. This is how it works..................

by Randy

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

Yukon! You are correct, and stay warm up there you bada$$. JimRussell44 seems to be the most intelligent and honorable left-of-center poster on this site. And I really look forward to hearing his thoughts on these issues. Hopefully, our discussions will not be interrupted by the liberal posters who yell "wing-nut" in every post, or by their "conservative" counterparts who attack homosexuality in virtually every post (as my pal Couresaire said, "So unVulcan of you"). These posters may disagree, but they are, in the end, exactly alike...they accomplish nothing, add nothing to the discourse here, and are normally gross in their posts. It appears they can't help it. JimRussell44 is the opposite: he is extremely intelligent and well-reasoned, and he is courteous. I look forward to discussing the topic of gun control with him. Cheers!

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher ~ unfortunately whatever ground you may gain with anyone on here, it's moot. Our president and his appointed/faithful followers are going to strip the American citizens of their constitutional rights. There is no point bickering about it. And yes I do agree with you that Jim might be one of the only leftist open to civil conversation. But all anyone is going to accomplish now is what size that boot is. 8.5 or maybe a size 10??

skylinefirepest 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher, unfortunately I find it hard to discuss "gun control" with JimR...I have offered to take him to the range and show him the difference between different firearms and he has no desire to learn...so his only recourse is to harp about "finger twitches" and "high capacity magazines" available to the general public. Otherwise I could show him that I can change a mag in about three seconds and the difference to a victim is ...Ok, nothing!! Seeing that it takes the cops a few minutes to respond then the few seconds to a victim is...NOTHING!! What would make a difference is to ban GUN FREE ZONES and other such idiocy and put armed people in our schools. Obama made such an issue out of saving "one kid's life" when he has absolutely no intention of doing what needs to be done. The left has already trounced on the NRA for suggesting armed cops in our schools, but they offer no suggestions other than banning a range of firearms that are used by literally millions of law abiding Americans. So they bring nothing to the table other than they have the numbers and I'm willing to take bets right now that what the loonie left has planned will cost them dearly in the mid terms. Americans are simply damned tired of being vilified by the media and the left as concerns firearms!

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

pack-- I disagree. Obama couldn't repeal the Second Amendment if he wanted to (and he wants to). There would be revolt. Nonetheless, I look forward to exchanging ideas with JimRussell44...he is an honorable man. And I would venture a guess that it would be a civil discussion, without name calling and character assassination. Be well my friend. Cheers!

packwilleat 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher ~ no he could not repeal the 2nd amendment. But, he can nationalize gun laws, just the same way as healthcare. The right to bear arms is soo vague, the left can very well prove that it was intended that the people should not be disarmed of their sling shots. Hence my animosity towards the constitution. We all know what it means, but it does not keep tyrants at bay.

Thatcher 4 months, 1 week ago

skyline-- I know this is frustrating. You want to take JimRussell44 to the range, and show him the facts, but so far he has not accepted your offer. Hopefully, that will happen after a civil discourse, and it may or may not change his mind. I do believe this: JimR is an honorable man who is open to reasonable discussion. And I hope the reasonable folks here...on the left and the right...chime in. So long as the ridiculous posters who hate "wing-nuts" and those who hate "homosexuals" stay out of it, I think we can have a productive conversation. Cheers!

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

skylinefirepest, thank you for making statements that are so easily refuted. Your comment regarding mass shootings being unheard of prior to the institution of "gun free zones" is a good example. The legislation in which the idea for gun free zones was proposed in 1990, so if you will sit back and relax, I'll give you some examples of mass shootings that took place before that legislation was implemented: 1) June, 1990: 9 people killed, 4 wounded in Jacksonville, FL at a GMAC office by a gunman using an M1 with a 30 shot clip. 2) Sept., 1989: 9 killed, 12 wounded in Louisville, KY by a gunman using an AK-47 type weapon with 30 shot clip as well as two Mac-11 semi-auto. pistols and a Sig Sauer 9mm semi-auto. pistol. 3) Jan. 1989: 6 killed, 30 wounded by a gunman at a school in Stockton, CA who used an AK-47 type weapon and a Taurus 9mm semi-auto. pistol. His ammunition consisted of a 75 round drum magazine, a 75 round rotary magazine and four 35 round banana magazines. 4) July, 1984: 21 killed and 19 wounded in San Ysidro, CA by a gunman using a Browning P-35 9mm semi-auto,, a Winchester 1200 pump action shotgun, an 9mm Uzi and multiple 25 round ammunition clips. 257 shots were fired inside this McDonald's by the loan gunman. I could go on, but you get the idea. By the way, all the weapons used in these shootings were purchased legally by the gunmen. And you know what, I'm not going to call you a liar, just ignorant.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher, you give me much more credit than I deserve. I can (and have been) just as ugly as anyone here. I tend to give back what I get, but I do try to be civil most of the time. My position on this subject is pretty straightforward: People who want and need firearms for hunting, target shooting and personal protection should have the right and the ability to have them. I think that we should have a comprehensive process for obtaining any firearm purchased from any source. This process is for the protection of everyone and is needed to keep criminals and the mentally impaired from owing or possessing them. Unless they announce it ahead of time, it's not possible to accurately identify someone who might do us harm prior to them actually harming us. If we accept that premise as reasonable, we have little we can do to protect ourselves from random acts of violence. One thing that would help would be to limit the availability of tools that allow a deranged individual to do a lot of damage in a short period of time. Another would be to improve our ability to identify and treat people who exhibit emotional, anti-social and threatening traits. A third is to enforce laws currently on the books and make committing crimes using a weapon (any weapon) or threat of a weapon an offence with stiff penalties that the perpetrator actually endures. And so banning semi-automatic weapons with high capacity clips for use by the general public, just like we do for a variety of other weapons, is only one step in a series of things we could do to stem the violence.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Middleman522: The Ct. shooter was known by his mother to have mental problems. She had the weapons used in the shooting in her home legally. The only way her son could get access to these weapons were if she did not have them properly secured in the home. He did not, as you state, shoot her in the face to get her guns. He already had the guns. That's what he used to shoot her, and later, 26 other people. Gun laws only work when everybody with a gun follows the rules. Had his mother followed the proper safety procedures that the NRA and gun proponents say ARE being followed by all responsible gun owners, he would have not had access to those guns and, quite possibly, 26 people might now be alive. His mental condition played no part in his having access to the guns but it most certainly played a very big role in what he did with them.

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

Pack- still 0/10 but don't worry one day you will get your troll hand strong. Til then you gotta stay in the Bush leagues of the Pilot.

dustyrhoades 4 months, 1 week ago

Shhhhhh....you can't say Bush here.

Middleman522 4 months, 1 week ago

She was sleeping and she could have had them locked up. We don't know this. What we do know is that "gun control" only works on "law abiding Americans". We need the laws to work on Non "law abiding American"! That means lock bad guys up and keep them there. Stop "rehab" for shooters, rapists, molesters, robbers, murderers and get help for the mentally ill that does not scare parents into not committing them. Laws will not work on the mentally ill, but a system to help them that is inviting would help parents make that decision. There's got to be a comfortable way for a parent to commit their child, no matter what age! Until this jihad is over, the borders are secure, mental illness is addressed, and the 2 halves of this country stop hating each other, guns in our homes are needed. What part of that is wrong??

JD 4 months, 1 week ago

Sen. Chris Murphy ripped the NRA and Apple on Tuesday, demanding the computer giant reclassify an NRA-produced shooting game it has labeled appropriate for children as young as four. “The NRA seems intent on continuing to insult the families of the victims of Sandy Hook,” the Connecticut Democrat said in a statement. “How could they think it was a good idea to use the one month anniversary of the tragedy at Sandy Hook to release a game that teaches four year olds to shoot assault weapons? No matter what outrageous new tool they use, the NRA cannot make a straight-faced case that sport shooters need military-style weapons to enjoy their hobby.”

Look Pack more of the Gun lobby conspiracy to target children... Or is the Senator a 'Crisis Actor' to you also?

Courseaire 4 months, 1 week ago

We should also ban the following video games:

Grand Theft Auto - Teaches kids how to steal cars, kill Ho's, Pimp & Drug Dealers
Flight Simulator - Kids will be stealing planes because they think they can fly.
Any Super Hero Video - lest the kids think they can also be super heros.

JimRussell44 4 months, 1 week ago

Middleman522: "She was sleeping and could have had them locked up." I repeat: She was shot by her son using one of her guns. They apparently were not locked up.

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

Why I am a newly-minted member of NRA By Wayne Allyn Root

Published January 15, 2013

FoxNews.com

teufelhunden 4 months, 1 week ago

Great article that everyone should read.

Middleman522 4 months, 1 week ago

So the kid could not find the key while she was sleeping? Are you awake yet? And what do gun laws have to do with a careless Mother. You want door to door lock checks. What is your point, if you have one?