Arms Trade Treaty

jimt 3 months ago

That darn Mary Ann, she's figured out the entire plot of the New World Order. Drat!

That's the bad news.

The good news is that come the time, her house now moves to the #1 destination of the black helicopters assigned to Moore County.

clarabelle 3 months ago

I feel sorry for ol mary ann and her ilk........ always looking over their shoulders for the imaginary bogey man!

Our gun loving friends have revealed themselves as pants-wetters and worse. Any attempt to improve gun safety is met with hysterical warnings about invading drug cartels (armed via the NRA) and government tyranny. There is simply no middle ground for them.

Try to stem the flow of weapons to al Qaeda and they go completely bonkers. I'm guessing they need well-armed (dare I say 'well regulated') terrorists to scare the public into accepting their need to have one hundred times as many gun as our entire military.

And then there's the president of Gun Owners of America who totally gave the game away with this gem, “I believe they will put together a racial force to go against an opposite race resistance, basically a black force to go against a white resistance, and then they will claim anyone resisting the black force they are doing it because they are racist.”

Literally insane and armed to the teeth.

skylinefirepest 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Heim, you've already proven many times that you don't know squat about how to get the country running again...with your tried and true tax and spend liberal extremism. Now you're gonna make yourself out as an expert on firearms and crime??? Really???

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

"....it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Macbeth Quote (Act V, Scene V)."

Something to keep in mind when the pest, wdd, dingo, et. al. post.

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DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Ok people can we just STOP all the name calling? Can we just have a discussion w/o all the demeaning names. I don't like the idea of a foreign ploitical body telling me what I can or cannot do with anything I have leagally purchased. If the U.N. comes to tell me that my 4cyl Camry is to old to be legal due to it putting out to much pollution, then I have a problem with that. Why should I allow that same body tell me and the rest of our country what we can own in the way of firearms? Who died and made them my master?

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingodude, read what you just said. If a group of your neighbors came to your door and told you that your loud music was disturbing the neighborhood, would your have a problem with that? Would your response be to tell them to go to hell, you have a right to play your music however the hell loud you want to play it? Or would you apologise for your actions and turn down the music, thus becoming a reasonable and responsible member of the community. Yes, you have a right to do whatever you want but the more important issue is: do you have the responsibility to know how and when to exercise those rights? The UN is representing all of our "neighbors" on this planet. The sooner we all start acting like responsible members of our community, the better of the planet will be. We will have a tough time getting other countries to be responsible when we are not doing it ourselves. And, by the way, your own state government can tell you to take your Camry off the road if it fails the pollution testing. Do you think that violates your rights as well?

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingo: "I don't like the idea of a foreign ploitical body telling me what I can or cannot do with anything I have leagally purchased."

In what way is the U.N. proposing to do this? And this assumes Mary Ann's assertion regarding "registration" is even accurate, which I highly doubt.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Holy chit!! JimRussell just switched from suck to blow!!!

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Neighbors of mine will not have a need to tell me to turn down my music, due to all of them growing up on the same style of music. It's nice to think that the people of this world we all live in will all come together and do the right thing regarding the planet, but I believe that is misguided thinking. The U.N. can't seem to be able to get a single computer system up and running so why should we want them to tell the citizens of our country to register a weapon. AFN News had a story going in 2008 or 2009 saying that the Arms Treaty being debated in the U.N. wanted to have every weapon transaction to be monitored by a clearing house of stored data, all held by the U.N. If that story is true then every American should have a great big problem with that issue. JR44- Yes the state can currently tell you to stop driving your car for emitting to much pollution. The state does give you a period of time to get those repairs made. After that has expired you will not get your new tag sticker. Do you feel that it is fair to someone in North Carolina to have a polition in Trukministan tell them to park their car? If you want to be my neighbor then at least be in the same time zone.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JimRussell - you are either intentionally stirring the pot by advocating one world governance, or you are a down right moron. I'm thinking it's a combination of the two.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yes, JER, let's put down all our guns and sing Kumbaya with our "neighbors" and friends in the Middle East. I'm sure al-Qiada will have put their guns down like us when we join them to roast marshmallows by the fire.

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Packwilleat (unless first eaten by UNC): Things only improve when there are those wanting improvement. Morons are those that don't understand that concept.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

And fools make treaty with killers.

teufelhunden 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Why doesn't this bother some of you? That's the really scary thing!!!

teufelhunden 2 months, 4 weeks ago

This letter wasn't an attack on anyone. Why attack the letter writer?

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingodude, so as long as everybody agrees with you, things are just fine (my neighbors won't complain because we all like the same music). You have a problem with other countries having any say in how we live our lives yet have no problem with our country telling others how to live. When a politician in Trukministan tells you to park your car, let us know and we'll look into it.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

If you consider putting a shine on a turd an improvement, you should run for President!!

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff Cutler, I will ask you to research why the folks in the Middle East hate us so much. When you determine what those facts are, tell me what you think might be a solution to that problem. The rest of the world is not here to serve the wants and needs of the USA. And your comment "and fools make treaty with killers" only conjures up Native Americans in my mind.

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Packsbeeneaten, shiny turds....now we have lowered the discussion to a level where you can participate.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JR- when you figure out why the US is not self sufficient. You will find the solution to our problems.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Conjures up Neville Chamberlain in mine, JER. And when you determine the facts as they occurred on 9/11, maybe we'll consider paying even an iota of attention to you. Until then, save your "hate America first" drivel for your leftist friends.

Middleman522 2 months, 4 weeks ago

As I said last week, Russell agrees with "progressive anti Americans working for his hero". Americans are guilty of everything under the sun, and do you see how much like Rev. Wright Russell sounds? OH that's right, you sat in his church for 20 years and never heard a thing nasty.... And Russell, tell us how you feel about rounding up conservatives and holding them in camps, so your boy can clean up this mess? That will tell us what Oblaima's thinking. You progressives are all programmed the same way, hateful of anyone that does not think , I mean "feel" like you and jealous of anyone more successful than you. Muslims have been full of hate since their great leader left "2" different people in charge, that hate each other. Did Americans do that too?? You need a good history lesson, along with every democrat, liberal and progressive that has been taught bunk since the first grade, by teachers' union activists. And then you need a new home!

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JR44, I don't think I'm getting my message to you through. I have a big problem with a political body that I had no hand in electing telling me what to do on any subject. Turkministan was an example. Just because you want the world to be one big happy place does not make it so. The only countries that would abide by any unilateral action on the part of the U.N. would be the modernized ones. Look at the pollution that has become Peking. That makes me think that Los Angles is a breath of fresh air. Lets not even get on the fact that the chinese spit everywhere. When the real polluters start to get their act together then come see me. Till then leave me alone. Thanks for not comparing me to Tim McVeigh this time.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Generally speaking, when conservatives 'warn' us about nefarious provisions of UN treaties, they're lying through their teeth. Before I'm going to accept that this treaty would adversely affect legal gun sales or possession in this country, I'd need the author of the letter to point out exactly what provision of the treaty would do any such thing.

While terrorists and the NRA oppose this treaty, I've seen no evidence that it would affect our second amendment rights.

LadyLynda 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Does the UN really work? Does it need to be revamped?

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jim Heim: "Before I'm going to accept that this treaty would adversely affect legal gun sales or possession in this country, I'd need the author of the letter to point out exactly what provision of the treaty would do any such thing."

Jim, I'll settle for anyone who is convinced that this Treaty poses a threat to any American's 2nd Amendment rights pointing out the provisions of the Treaty that would so. Dodo, 'er I mean Dingo, LL, Middle, Geoff, anyone?

MaryAnn, the letter's author, may not own a computer because they allow the UN to monitor her whereabouts by interfacing with the fillings in her teeth, so she probably won't see your challenge.

Teuf: "This letter wasn't an attack on anyone. Why attack the letter writer?"

Maybe because the letter was an attack on someone, implicit if not explicit. Go back and read it again. And because egregiously fact-free, paranoid, letters like this get the radical right all hot and bothered. In the wake of Bobby Jindahl's plea for Republicans to stop making the Republican Party the "....Party of stupid," I would think you'd also be bothered by people like her. But i guess not.

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

jimt, come on fella. Did you not see my post about the name calling? DoDo really!!!! I don't slam you for having an advanced degree, no I commend you for having the fortitude to keep your nose to the grindstone and finishing. I just don't want to be lectured, I'm not in school and didn't sign up for a class. As to the specific provision relating to the loss of my second admendment rights, sorry don't have a copy of the treaty in front of me.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingo,

So look it up on that intranetty thing-a-ma-jig.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt- http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register/

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Pack, I'm not the one claiming that the Treaty language imposes "controls" on American's gun rights. It's incumbent on those that are to make their case citing specific Treaty language.

If you believe it does, find the proof.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingo, Mea Culpa (hope that doesn't suggest I'm a priest or a pedophile)

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packwilleat, I see you can use Google. Very impressive.

Now show me the specific provision the letter writer was warning us about. Since you are such a well-informed individual, this should be a piece of cake.

We'll wait...

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

jimt, if there is text to the actual treaty, where is it? In the meantime, the following are a number of articles on why the NRA opposes it.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/issues/international-gun-control-issues.aspx

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dear GOD,jimt you just do seem to be able to help yourself. Ok, I hope that lets you sleep at night. I do hope you can one day in the distant future grow up and start a conversation without all the smup references. As soon as I get a spare moment from my day job, I'll go looking for all the reference material you'll need to tell me that I'm just a" what was the phrase", right a wingnut. Specific data from a TV story seen in a DFAC more then 4 years ago is beyond my recall abilities. I was to busy diagnoising poor driveability conditions on Toyota Hi-Lux trucks. Seems that the high eelevation was causing the PIM sensor to go out of spec.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Here is the text of the treaty. Article 2 advocates for a national control list of all weapons from tanks to pistols. There is a lot in this bad boy the restricts free trade and regulates ammo/guns. A ton of ambiguous language as usual. But the question is, why should we surrender our national sovereignty over to a group of global crooks that want to see America go down??

http://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/9539505.83934784.html

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Dingo,

I don't know what TV story seen in a "DFAC," whatever that is, you are referring to.

Maybe instead of a Toyota you guys should have requisitioned a U.S. Army Mule Mod 3.0, sure they cost a couple of mil a piece, but that includes all their training, plus they're "made" in America, and the work is all done by non-union quadrapeds.

Geoff, I don't think I'll let the attorneys for the NRA define my understanding of the obligations the US would have under the Treaty's terms.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Wait, wait, wait........ i just found the answer to my question. "FAIRNESS"

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Why not, Jimt? The NRA led the effort against the measure and was successful in getting Obama to back off before the election. He knew it would hurt his chances. He re-opened the possibility of our being a signatory within hours of being re-elected. The NRA's efforts are transparent and available for everyone to see. Within those articles you'll find out why they oppose the treaty. Pack, nothing happened when I clicked on your link for the text of the treaty.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff- sorry , bad link. Try this one. Under "essential documents" on the left. Click "E" for english.

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

"The NRA's efforts are transparent and available for everyone to see." Yeah, their efforts are to create straw man arguments, get their base, like Mary Ann and the right-wing blogosphere, hysterical, and cost Obama votes or get votes for the other guy. That effort has absolutely nothing to do with the substance and intent of the Treaty or an accurate report on said same.

But if you, Pack, or teuf, et.al. want to delve into the Treaty's text, including its "legislative history", which is necessary to put the text into some context, and then make Mary Ann's point(s) in light of your efforts, knock yourselves out.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Doesn't matter what your level of disdain for the NRA is. Unless you read what they have to say, and why they oppose the measure, your opinion is pretty much invalid.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

geoff, although I don't usually read hate groups (KKK, Nazi Party, National Organization for Marriage, NRA), I tried to make an exception for your URL. I've tried it in two different browsers with no luck. There doesn't seem to be anything there. A deeper meaning?

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

No, I tried it too, and it's not working. I fished around their website until I found the articles on International treaty stuff. Sorry about that. As far as a deeper meaning? I won't know until I've read the treaty itself and other opinions on it besides the NRA's.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packwilleat - I looked over the document you referenced. This jumped out at me: The Conference could not reach agreement on a treaty text.

If they haven't got a text, what exactly are you upset about?

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

because they're working on a new one. The Russians had problems with the last one. Wasn't just the NRA.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Well then let's panic first and read later.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

"Yeah, their efforts are to create straw man arguments, get their base, like Mary Ann and the right-wing blogosphere, hysterical, and cost Obama votes or get votes for the other guy. That effort has absolutely nothing to do with the substance and intent of the Treaty or an accurate report on said same." jimt

This, from a reader whose actually never read anything about the NRA's position.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff, we know the NRA's position. They oppose any and all laws intended to make us safer in this sea of guns. They think your guns will stave off Mexican drug cartels (the NRA works so hard to secure sufficient firearms for), eliminate the United States of America and keep our children safe. They are nuts.

I don't care what the White Citizen's Council thinks of civil rights. I don't care what the Westboro Baptist Church thinks of marriage equality. I don't care what Joe Arpaio thinks of Latinos. Just give me the facts and I'll make up my own mind.

So far, in this thread, I've gotten a non-working reference to the NRA and a pointer to a non-exitent UN document. Not very impressive.

fugitiveguy 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jim (any of the Jims) what percentage of the murders in Chicago (or any big US city) were carried out by NRA members?

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JimHeim- remember when you and the rest of the demoncraps came out and said "no one wants to confiscate your guns"? Remember that? Then a couple of demoncraps came along in Missouri and put a gun confiscation bill on the table. I have yet to hear anything out of you moonbats about this hypocrisy. It boils down to trust. And anyone with a brain has zero trust for anyone in DC or anyone in the UN for that matter. Sorry once trust is lost, it is never easily regained.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packwilleat - So how did that bill work out? You can find some nut that has said anything. The fact is that gun confiscation is not on any serious persons' agenda. It simply won't happen.

I know that breaks your heart, since your side depends on fears of oppression to keep the funds flowing in to the NRA's coffers.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

fugitiveguy, since there are so few members in NRA, that's a pretty dumb question. How about how many of those shootings were carried out by people with guns?

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jim, I hate to break it to you, but it's been a long time since anyone thought it important to impress you.

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

pack-- No need to ask JimHeim whether he remembers Missouri Democrats proposing a bill to confiscate guns. Just ask him whether he remembers admitting that he has coached Democrats for years not to touch gun confiscation...lest it cost them the election. Too funny! Cheers!

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher- it's just too comical. The lefties hate the NRA sooo much, but they're too stupid to calculate the the back fire of their own handy work. The NRA has gained over 100,000 members since democrats started talking gun control over sandy hook. Heck who needs a marketing strategy when the democracts will sell your cause for free?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/10/nra-membership_n_2449236.html

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher, I've coached no one on the topic.

fugitiveguy 2 months, 4 weeks ago

oh, not true Jim, you stated so not to long ago, at least two of us saw it, and thatcher pointed it out to you at the time

fugitiveguy 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jim(s), do you believe all who want to purchase a firearm should undergo a background check?

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

The NRA has gained members? No doubt, but have you been down to Ed's lately? Unbelievable! You're right, Pack. Keep up the good work, Joe!

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JimHeim (13 min. ago)-- "Thatcher, I've coached no one on the topic (of gun confiscation)." Really? Are you sure? Here's your post on the February 9th thread entitled "Proper Safety," after I had posted that most liberals secretly want to ban and confiscate guns. You posted as follows: "JimHeim1 week, 6 days ago

Thatcher - I have no desire to see all guns confiscated and you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence to support your assertion. In fact, I have cautioned Democrats for years not to touch this subject because it's costly at election time.

But times change and we're no longer dependent on the rural white male vote. Enacting reasonable limitations on gun ownership and use will no longer cost us elections. In fact, polling suggests that the women's vote (already perilous for your side) is swayed by the specter of mass child murders. They love their offspring, which puts them way ahead of you. Your side stands to lose a lot.

And you guys don't have that many constituencies to spare."

So, JimHeim, your last post claiming that you've never coached Democrats on this issue is...well, not really true. In fact, it's false, by your own admission. But at least you didn't call me a wing-nut for quoting what you actually said. Cheers!

mymindwanders 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff-R u speaking of the empty shelves or droves of people looking for guns and Non-existent ammo?

Thatcher- I remember reading that.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Joe- I've stopped by Ed's a handful of times in the past month. Crazy! Every night they count out the drawer I'm sure high fives are shared by all on staff. Cha Ching!!!!

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Both, except yesterday, bringing my dog back from emergency services, I saw their sign: "Ammo In." Gonna try and get down there tomorrow. Buying in bulk now.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher- what was even better is when JimHeim came out the closet and announced that he advocates socialism and that is the direction the US should take. Unbelievable.

mymindwanders 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff- me too. Hope there is some left.it is getting ridiculous.hope your dog is ok.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Whatever you guys do. Don't start reloading! I'm having a hard enough time finding components as it is. ;-)

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

He is, thank God! Wasn't sure for a while there. Appreciate your words.

mymindwanders 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Pack-Ur safe. I mainly plink with 22lrs. But i also would like to find some 7.62x39. How ironic it is that since our administration started speaking of gun control Things have gotten completely out of control.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

MMW- .22's are worth their weight in gold these days, if you can find them. I've seen boxes of 100 go for over $10. Online(anywhere) is sold out of everything from stocks to primers. But the real irony would be if this administration was profiting from all this panic buying.

mymindwanders 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Im one of those that have paid that and more.Sad. And I just got my son a 10/22 ruger carbine that he cannot shoot without me. It stays locked up (jimt&jimr44) when im not around. But, instead of shooting it we open up the Ammo drawer and just stare at the rounds. Just like Gold 4 sure...

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

pack-- JimHeim admits here what many other liberals only admit to fellow liberals. And we love him for it. Cheers!

fugitiveguy 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Heim is kind of like the Moore County version of Joe Biden.

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I saw on Fox News that the real reason for the ammo shortage was because the ammo companies created the shortages to run up the prices on you morons who are willing to pay any price to defend you right to be morons. It's a win for Obama, since he's getting money flowing into the economy. In fact, Fox predicts that the administration will soon remove machine guns, bazookas and tanks from the no-no list because the ammo for them is a lot more expensive than your .22 longs. At this rate, Obama will have the budget balanced and the deficit wiped out on the backs of the gun owners. Thank you NRA. :-)

mymindwanders 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jim44-I'm beginning to wonder if half the time your just fishing, waiting For someone to bite the bait. I think some people call it Trolling. Besides I can't believe You would get Your information from "faux" news anyway.
Peace :-)

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Well, JER, if that's true, then Obama's finally blundered his way to doing something good for the economy.

LadyLynda 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I was in Lowes Saturday and there were three upper middle aged women gathered around a computer in the tool department. They had a gun shop pulled up on the internet and the three were discussing the guns they owned and the guns they were fixing to purchase. I was amazed at the knowledge these 3 ladies had about guns and their enthusiasm about the subject. As a lady I own a few guns, one I purchased and two left to me by my father. It made me feel proud to see these ladies taking their own protection seriously, and not leaving it all for the men!

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Locally, and presumably because the economy is not affording the requisite jobs, there have been some nasty break-ins, one of the latest including assault. I am hearing from many women, worried for their personal and family's safety, either buying sophisticated and modern security systems, or arming up.

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

jimt, sorry for not explaining the use of acronimes(sic). AFN stands for Armed Forces Network. That is a looped news program run overseas giving the American soldiers a short overview of the days news. The DFAC stands for Dining Facility, that's where you go to eat your meals. Well at least thats what is supposed to happen, sometimes what is presented for food leaves a lot to the imagination. Now as for the Mule Mod 3.0, the squadron men would rather not get shot at every minute of each patrol while riding around the hinter land. You see the idea is to blend in to the local surroundings not stick out like a sore thumb.I've little exposure to how the CIA gathered their intel but our men tried to get the information without being seen or heard. You see the difference don't you?

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher, when you have to change the quote, you've also changed the subject. I never said I coached anyone and you will find no evidence to the contrary.

What's your point?

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packwilleat - It's even better than that for the NRA. The slaughter of 20 six-year-olds got them 250,000 new members (their number). Win-win, right?

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

LadyLynda - What a heartwarming story. It's about time women woke up to the value of guns in the home.

Just a couple of weeks ago a distraught mother shot her two kids and herself. Tragically, in two-thirds of American homes there's no gun available to solve problems like hers. Thanks to NRA and Gun Owners of America, we're going a long way to make guns available for every household need.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

wdd101 - When did doctors become a 'National Civilian Security Force?' Only an idiot would swallow that.

There are 100 times as many guns in private hands as in the hands of government and military combined. What do you suppose they're going to do with those weapons anyway?

Frightened rabbits, all of you.

DingoMike 2 months, 4 weeks ago

JimHeim, you must be a professional politician, or a pro dodgeball player. Hoisted on your own pitard and still you squeal that it was not you that said those things.By the way oh inflamatory one, the massacre of thos innocent children was not what got the NRA the new members. It was President Obama saying that the goverment wanted to have new gun safety controls put in place to stop senseless acts of violence from happening. Great sound byte, but here's one Obama leaves out, gun crime prosecutions are down under his watch. So what exactly does he want to do. Add more laws that will never lead to prosecutions??
packwilleat, ditto on the reloading reference, I had to go to an estate sale to find pistol and rifle primers and powder.

LadyLynda 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Do you think all governments have plans in place for any citizen uprising whether small or large?

Courseaire 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Stat of the week: 75.3% of all acts of gun violence involves a gun.

Themis 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Have you seen the new William Shatner gun video?link text

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

So weird. Just cleaning out old emails and looked at that video, which I hadn't yet opened. Saved it. Good stuff posted, wdd101st.

Jim, your description of the NRA as a "hate group" nicely defines why no-one takes you seriously anymore. You sound like a kook.

LSM 2 months, 4 weeks ago

@wwd101st

Here is a little more information to add when connecting the dots. Its starting to make quite a picture. Last October, President Barack Obama issued a presidential memorandum waiving penalties under the Child Soldiers Protection Act of 2008 (CSPA) for Libya, South Sudan, and Yemen, along with a partial waiver for the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/02/05/un_committee_tells_obama_to_stop_waiving_sanctions_on_countries_that_use_child_sold

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

wdd, given your beliefs, why are you still here? Wouldn't the hinterlands of Alaska be more secure for you and your family?

As conservative as many regular posters are to this site, as far as I know you're the only "doomsday prepper" among them, and the only one who seems to take as gospel the ravings of the far, far, far-right survivalist blogosphere.

Courseaire 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt - He may be a Recruiter.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

And your beliefs are those of mainstream America(sic)?

You give every indication by virtue of your ridiculous fact-free rants and the websites you cite and where you presumably get your misinformation, that you're part of the truly looney-right. My beliefs are cleary more "American," than yours; my guy won re-election, how'd yours do? I don't mean Romney, I mean one of the "minor" survivalist candidates.

"Moscow,' really? You do know that the Soviet Union does not exist anymore don't you?

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Maybe, but Marxism lives on. And in unlikely places, too.

Courseaire 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Some examples of Marxism today:

I sent the club a wire stating, "PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".
Paying alimony is like feeding hay to a dead horse.
Last night I shot an elephant in my Pajamas and how he got in my pajamas I'll never know.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Oh yeah! My left bean is more American than all of you. ;-)

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

circa 1950s, he drives up to the clubhouse at the Los Angeles Country Club with his 15 y.o. son, a passionate golfer. The round had been arranged by a friend of a friend of his Agent. The manager comes out and somewhat embarassed tells him, "I'm very sorry, there's been a mistake, L.A. Country Club doesn't allow Jews to play the course." Immedite response, "My boy's only half-Jewish, can he play the front nine?"

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt- take all that money you're saving on guns and ammo, and buy a sence of humor.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I think I have a sense of humor as many posts of mine attest. But thank you for your suggestion.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Or at least some good jokes....that way if you're ever faced by an armed intruder you can try to defend yourself by making him laugh.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt- I'm just giving you a hard time. But that might be the worst joke I've ever heard.

Courseaire 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt - I don't think they got the joke. You do have a cents of humor. I thought it was funny. I understand Tiger was allowed to play only the back nine.

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

It's not a joke, it's an anecdote. It happend! In real life. It demonstrates the man's quick wit, or does so for me.

Tiger was at the Club just a couple of weeks ago. They allowed him to walk the entire course, so long as he was carrying the bag of a member who was playing.

geoffcutler 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yeah, that's right. Wasn't it Obama's Bag?

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jesus Christ man! Was Tiger eating fried chicken too???

DannySteen 2 months, 4 weeks ago

The one thing you have to notice about leftist humor is that it is mostly racist and not funny. They call it sarcasm but it is mostly dumb and hateful.

Themis 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Off the subject but still------------is there anything wrong with the first lady passing out awards for the Oscars?

DannySteen 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Not a thing. She is no worse than the rest. Rich people patting each other on the back and the fawning fanatics drooling over their heroes. Waste of time. But, to each their own and more power to them.

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I thought jimt's posts were hilarious! Speaking of funny, have you seen the "Women take Joe Biden's 'Buy a Shotgun' Advice" video? This should settle the gun debate once and for all...enjoy: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/. Cheers!

Courseaire 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatch - I believe one of those girls in the video was our gal Clara.

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packgoteaten, take some of that ammo money and buy a dictionary.

JimRussell44 2 months, 4 weeks ago

packgoteaten, did you notice during the game the other night, Carolina pulled their players off the floor and three plays later, the Pack scored.

fugitiveguy 2 months, 4 weeks ago

In regards to the video posted by Thatcher. Biden is just another lefty shooting his mouth of about something he clearly knows nothing about. Not unlike when Jim Heim wants to espouse on debt, deficits and the national economy.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I'm just trying to figure out how we went from talking about arms treaties to telling jokes containing racial and ethnic slurs?

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Courseaire-- I'm sure she'll let us know! And fugitiveguy, you are correct about Biden. Does anyone really believe that he told his wife Jill that, if "trouble" is present, take a 12-gauge shotgun to the balcony and "fire two blasts?" Fire two blasts at what? And this business about a 12-gauge being easier for a woman to shoot than an AR-15 is absurd. Oh, what the heck...here's the video again so we can marvel at Biden's brilliance and insight on shotguns: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/. . Cheers! (This video is brought to you by People for the Ethical Treatment of Women.)

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Speaking of Biden's ignorance on the subject, who can forget John Kerry's comments about guns and deer hunting when he was running for President: http://spectator.org/archives/2004/09/14/big-game-assaulter. Favorite quote by Kerry the Deer Hunter: "I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach," Kerry told a reporter for the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind. That's hunting." No. It's liberals pretending to know something about deer hunting. And guns. Maybe Biden and Kerry can go to Jill's balcony and "fire two blasts." Cheers!

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Geoff, No way Obama gets on the Los Angeles Country Club I knew about, although since I left the area in 1975, maybe they've lightened up a little.

JimHeim 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Sorry, no matter how much you want it there's simply no civilian security force. Tough luck.

Or maybe you can conjure up those Executive Orders. Then I might take you seriously. Anyone?

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

jimt-- As I said earlier, I disagree with the poster who found some offense at your humor here. I thought your posts were funny as heck. To me, what's wrong with a liberal or a conservative posting funny jokes and showing their sense of humor? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. And in fact, folks like you and Couresaire who have effortless humor are perhaps the brightest among us. Plus, it sure beats "you are an idiot, wingnut, dumba$$, redneck, etc." regularly (and apparently, reflexively) posted by some here who were not blessed with the humor gene, and who have confused insults with humor. Keep posting the great stuff. Cheers!

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher- sorry man I just don't find derogatory humor funny, or otherwise relevant to the discussion at hand. All that was lacking in that attempt at humor was a jamboy reference.

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

pack! Great to see you here! I'm all for keeping the discussion on point, but to me, sometimes humor is the best way for keeping us all from taking ourselves too seriously. I may like Yuengling, and you may like Bass Ale, but I bet we'd tell some pretty funny jokes to each other at the bar. To me, no different here. Cheers my friend!

jimt 2 months, 4 weeks ago

what's a jamboy?

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thatcher- I'm sure we would have some good laughs, without having to revert to making fun of Jews or blacks. Heck, we had plenty of good laughs tonight at the brewery in absence of such tactics. I don't know man, jokes that bring up race, religion, or ethnics are simply shallow and demeaning in my book. But, since I'm Polish and from Chicago I have every right to make fun of my heritage. Why is the suicide rate so low in Chicago?........ It's hard to kill yourself by jumping out of a basement window.

packwilleat 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jimt- you'll have to google it.

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

jimt-- I have no idea what a jamboy is...I'm almost 50 years old. But I have no doubt that you and pack should offer a truce to each other. Both of you are brilliant, opposite ends of the spectrum, and both of you (when you want to be) are funnier than heck. Dang, boys! Use that to create some fun here. To me, we can discuss politics, the federal debt, and all the other stuff while interposing an occasional funny joke. That's the way I see it. Give it some thought. Cheers!

Thatcher 2 months, 4 weeks ago

pack (4 min. ago)-- HA!! Great joke! Cheers!

Yukonjohn 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I do realize that this might be a little off topic, but our house of Representatives just voted yesterday to make it a felony for a federal officer to hinder anyone from gun possession in our state. We will arrest any officer that attempts to enforce federal gun laws in Alaska that do not agree with the US Constitution. There is a huge Constitutional debate that will ensue, but at least our house has spoken. It was a 31-5 vote. I believe maybe other states will join in on this overreach by the federal govt. to our Constitutional Rights, that they have had NO PART in bestowing on us. Maybe we will have some clarification to our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/politics/article_61b7a73a-7ff6-11e2-a793-0019bb30f31a.html

Themis 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yukon- You make Alaska look better every day.......if you could just move it down towards the equator a few notches! Is there a wide diversity of race there?

Yukonjohn 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Themis, we are a very diverse population, with VERY LITTLE discrimination amongst us. Our weather is perfect. 20 below for a little while this morning, and 18 above this afternoon with bright sunshine. It feels perfect!!! If you feel like so many of us do, the WELCOME MAT is out for you, I tell people, we are free here like America used to be!!! Come on up, you are more than welcome!!

jimt 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Thatcher, Pack and I had a very cordial "off line" discussion several days ago. To the best of my knowledge, or at least from my perspective, no truce is needed because he has not written anything to me that has been disrespecful, nor do I think I've written anything him that has been disrespecful ever since.

dentman65 2 months, 3 weeks ago

America bows to no-one. We don't have to play nice. We are the big dogs. American taxpayers have spent a lot of money and we have lost a lot of lives to get here. We have enough people telling us what and what-not to do. We don't need some group of piss-ant politicians from Cuba, iran or japan telling us anything about how to live our lives. We are Americans. No one tells us what to do. Be proud of your heritage and the men and women who gave their lives to get us to the top. We are the greatest Nation to ever grace the surface of this earth. It would be treason to bow to other countries and let them dictate how we are to live our lives. If only we could hear what Patton or Macarthur would have to say about it........it'd probably make us blush.

JimHeim 2 months, 3 weeks ago

So does this mean that Democrats are racist for wanting gun control?

No.

jimt 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Yukon: "We will arrest any officer that attempts to enforce federal gun laws in Alaska that do not agree with the US Constitution."

Ah yes, nullification.

Big talk, but then talk is cheap.

Good luck with enforcing this legal theory in practice.

JimHeim 2 months, 3 weeks ago

dentman - If only there was some benefit from having countries cooperate on issues of importance. Fortunately, they have us to run their lives. I guess that's better all around.

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