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After World War II, the United States became a world leader because we had a select place on this planet.
We had the climate, the geographical protection of being bordered by two oceans, the natural resources and the right attitude of a population supported by a constitution and rule of law, second to none.
The economic encouragement from the entrepreneurial drive-based capitalistic system worked.
Capitalism flourished because of low taxes, sound money and minimal regulation. Now, we practice the dead opposite of what made us great. Our country is in the grip of a false doctrine. Socialism and intervention have replaced capitalism as the dominant economic philosophy.
To quote James Cook, president of Investment Rarities Inc., “We’ve seen the mess that socialism left in Russia when capitalism died.
Nevertheless, our so-called intellectual leaders have sold the public on the idea that capitalism harms them. The end of capitalism means the end of Western civilization. The anti-capitalist trend in America means the end of America.”
With the blessing of this president and the spendthrift Congress, Ben Bernanke is debasing our currency in order to maintain the fiction that trillion-dollar-plus annual deficits and a more than $16 trillion national debt don’t matter.
To keep us floating, the Federal Reserve is purchasing our own debt (to the tune of about $85 billion per month). We are just printing more money without any backing! This approach has always led to hyperinflation followed by depression.
Please do not think that it can’t happen here, the greatest, financially strongest country in the world. It certainly can and almost certainly will.
You should prepare yourself for the day that comes when dollars will be totally worthless. It can’t be far off now.
Tom Anderson
Pinehurst
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OldPilot 3 months, 1 week ago
First, the United States was, is and always will be totally different socially, politically, geographically and economically than the Soviet Union from the time of the Russian revolution until the time the Soviet Union collapsed; two entities which can not rationally be compared. Second, the reality is we are not suffering hyperinflation and we are coming out of a substantial recession. Third, our leaders are neither anti-capitalism nor anti-capitalists, quite the contrary as anyone who listens, thinks and refuses to join the ignorance caucus understands.
The_AnonymusProfit 3 months, 1 week ago
thats one of the first sound things I think i have heard you say oldpilot.
Yukonjohn 3 months, 1 week ago
Just another reason to not live in the cities of America. I firmly believe that our system is going to fail. Partially or totally, but fail none-the-less. When it does, living in the cities is not going to be a very pretty sight. Dr. Benjamin Carson addresses the Fed Reserve and the situation we are in very succinctly. It won't be long now until we are living the nightmare of Greece unless we change our ways, which it appears we will not.
Nezumi 3 months, 1 week ago
What a great comparison, because Tsarist Russia was a capitalist paradise before the Bolsheviks.
Themis 3 months, 1 week ago
Get'em Yukon!!!! I have cleared all of my small debts, buying gold and silver, and other things for trade as well as food. I talk to my dad all the time who was 9 when the great depresson hit. He says they all said it couldn't happen either. My wife's Grandmother was Polish and survived a cancentration camp in WWII, they assured her it could never happen. If you had asked anyone that worked in the world trade towers on 9/9/01 if it could happen, and they would have said "No Way." Ask the ghosts of the Greeks, The Romans, The Azteks, The Mayans, they would tell us as Patton said, "All Glory is fleeting."
Yukonjohn 3 months, 1 week ago
Themis, we have room up here if you can stand the coolish weather and the distance from family and friends. We are free up here, a lot like America used to be. We do not believe in a bunch of rules and regulations that restrict personal freedom. We love liberty, and govt that interferes very little in our lives. If this is something that you yearn for, l would be happy to try and help you get here and survive. We need more that think like we do, and once a person gets through a couple of winters, hell, they are on their way. You can be as "big" as you want, or as "small" as you want, it is up to you.
clarabelle 3 months, 1 week ago
Yukonjohn - I really have to remark - I feel as "big" as I want, or as "small" as I want.
I feel free here ............ and wonder just why you are always demeaning the US!
I also wonder just what rules we have here that you don't have there - please expand!
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Capitalism flourished because of low taxes, sound money and minimal regulation.
Actually:
Between 1945 and 1960, the gross national product more than doubled, growing from $200 billion to more than $500 billion. Much of this increase came from government spending: The construction of interstate highways and schools, the distribution of veterans’ benefits and most of all the increase in military spending–on goods like airplanes and new technologies like computers–all contributed to the decade’s economic growth.
And: The G.I. Bill subsidized low-cost mortgages for returning soldiers, which meant that it was often cheaper to buy one of these suburban houses than it was to rent an apartment in the city
Also: the top marginal rate in the 1950's was over 90%.
So if you're looking for the type of boom we had in the postwar era, you're talking high taxes on the wealthy and massive government infrastructure and loan programs. Wow! Sounds familiar?
Yukonjohn 3 months, 1 week ago
OMG ClaraBelle, there are not enough pages for me to expand on this. Probably governmentally, we live by referendum style of govt. If there is a law we do not like, we get our buddies to fill out a petition, and if we have enough names on it, it will show up on the next ballot for the people to vote on. We are not taxed, unless, again we choose to be. We personally know most of our politicians, and as such, we feel a closeness to them. We can catch them in town and speak about problems, or perceived problems. They listen to us, because word of mouth is huge here. If they do not at least listen to us, they will loose the next election, and they know it. We can pick up our phones and talk to them almost at any time. We are not restricted, except by federal laws, in our lifestyles. As long as what you are doing does not affect my lifestyle, we are happy for you. Live and let live. We are very fortunate to have so many natural resources that we have a very large surplus of money. That makes a huge difference. On the socialist side, we collectively OWN our resources. I am a 1/600,000th owner, and as such, l can make a difference in how it is doled out, and how it is utilized. Like l said, there are not enough pages to explain what l had said. And, by the way, l am NOT anti-US. I am a veteran of ten years in the AF and honorably discharged. I am very patriotic, it is that l just disagree with what the US has become.
fugitiveguy 3 months, 1 week ago
I continue to be amazed, maybe dismayed may be a better word by the number of apparently educated people who think 17T debt is no big deal, that printing more and more $$$ is no big deal. Unfortunately we will all will suffer for their folly. Look at Greece and other European countries. Better yet, look at California.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
QE3 is destroying the signaling capabilities of markets; junk bonds trade at 5 per cent yields; we have a guy that has about as much economic sense as a 5 year old as President, except he has and is and will make millions if not billions for himself. Since we are more interested in gays getting married, we ignore what is going on, we have nice little girls like Clarabelle and and DR, who are the ultimate bleeding hearts bloviate froth constantly on here look we are sinking fast. There is no stopping the slide..my take is after it all crumbles we out all that voted for this clown and drag them off to concentration camps
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Read zerohedge.com to keep up with the madness going on financially in the US
fugitiveguy 3 months, 1 week ago
spock-I must say I have agreed with much of what you have written in the past but I cannot understand the recent emphasis on gays. I can't concern myself with what 2 people do in private. Bigger fish to fry.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
fugitiveguy not a day goes by that I'm not abused by headlines that constantly harp on this issue; You must admit enough is enough....
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
No one has yet been able to "cut" their way to prosperity. In 2010 Ireland was held up by the European Central bank and the Cato Institute as a "model" for cost cutting and austerity policies. They still have as of November 2012, they still had 14.4 percent unemployment. Britain: same thing They were undergoing a modest recovery, started cutting in 2010, their economy's now stalled. Greece cuts and cuts and cuts (what do you think all the riots are about?) and they're still dead in the water.
OTOH, look at Iceland:
„… We were wise enough not to follow the traditional prevailing orthodoxies of the Western financial world in the last 30 years. We introduced currency controls, we let the banks fail, we provided support for the poor, and we didn’t introduce austerity measures like you’re seeing here in Europe. …“ -President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson
They're at 5% unemployment as of last month.
These are facts.
Austerity doesn't work.
dentman65 3 months, 1 week ago
As much as I'd like to disagree with DR, from most all I can find available to read lately he seems to be on target. For some reason I am starting to figure out that when it comes to politics - if you do the opposite of what you think you should do , you will always be right. At least that is the way it seems sometimes. I'll never understand how you can "spend" yourself out of debt but it seems to have worked in the past. I read the articles on England and other countries and austerity did not seem to work at all there, in fact,as Dusty said, it stalled. This world just continues to just not make much sense to me anymore.I am sure someone will correct me for all I have said that is mis-informed, and hopefully explain it better than the dictionary did on austerity.
Yukonjohn 3 months, 1 week ago
Dentman, l know exactly how you feel. DR knows that him and l disagree on many, very many things. Lately, we have been moving closer. Alot of it is me moving in that direction, but l still think our fiscal house is constructed on very shaky ground, and that ultimately it will fail. I also believe as some economist do, that the great depression would not have lasted as long, or been as severe, if not for the policies of FDR. Others hail him as saving our nation. I went to school when that is what ewas taught. I kind of believe the former, instead of the latter opinion of him. He did lead our country in a very pivotal time. We got through it then, but l believe that is because of our founders and their wisdom. It is all confusing sometimes, even to us baby boomers.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Light breaking through the clouds? Stay tuned.
Yukonjohn 3 months, 1 week ago
Dangit DR, now don't you go thinking that we are agreeing on stuff now!!! But all jokes aside, we have moved closer in what is going on. We will never agree fiscally, or probably on discretionary spending, but on several social issues, we are probably very close to agreement. Hope your weekend is going well.
samosamo 3 months, 1 week ago
News Flash:::::: Ben Bernake is debasing our currency, look at a Dollar Bill (Federal Reserve Note), A private bank that lends to the US at interest. A worthless piece of paper that is only used as a debt insturment. The Fed buysTreasury Bonds through Goldman-sachs ( another cut) at the taxpayers expense. The funds from the treasury bond sales are put into the system.(quantative easing) Note: see fractional banking. What makes a dollar worth more or less is the number of them in circulation, Enter inflation, it's the only way the Fed can pull all those extra dollars off the street. Oh those Treasury bonds are redeemable for land.
Themis 3 months, 1 week ago
According to The Washington Post - As the decades passed after World War II, $16.7 billion worth of bond certificates were either forgotten in dusty attics or thrown out in the trash. Hard to believe huh.
LadyLynda 3 months ago
"Politicians will blame each other but the fact is both parties have enough blame to go around. Even the most conservative presidents have increased the debt ceiling and all found a good excuse to do so, this administration is no different. No currency as dominate as the US Dollar has defaulted but never before has so much inflationary pressure been on such a currency. Everything has a breaking point and the dollar certainly is no different." Ron Paul says "Debt is Unsustainable." I doubt anyone here will argue that the dollar does not buy as much as it used to. I do believe things are getting better in the economy. Either that, or Americans are tired and weary of being afraid and cautious and are simply getting on with their lives. Banks are loaning again to some degree, and I see some new construction popping up here and there. People don't seem to be talking the doom and gloom of 2-3 years ago. I have friends in the car industry and other high end retail items and they say sales are improving. I am in great hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel regardless of what politics you may follow, I just hope it is not a train!
packwilleat 3 months ago
It can happen here. And it will. We are repeating every failed economic theory since the beginning of keeping records. But somehow the liberals have found a new way to stick your pecker in the blender without any ill affects.
http://dailyreckoning.com/fiat-currency/
Middleman522 3 months ago
Themis, your words are true and sail right over the socialists heads. They are so sold out to big government, facts do not mean a thing! It's really sad!
Hey Rhoades, Where does all that wonderful Government spending come from, unemployment checks, disability checks, food stamps?? No it come from working folks taxes. Sooner or later one runs out and we start borrowing. Oh S... it's already started. Spend and borrow more to pay off debt??????? Until we create more tax revenue, we have to stop spending more. Why don't you get that!
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Middleman. maybe you can stop foaming at the mouth long enough to point me to a country for whom austerity has worked to create jobs and grow the economy.
More jobs, more money, more tax revenue. Austerity does not create jobs. Investment--including government investment-- creates jobs. That's where the money comes from.
packwilleat 3 months ago
As of last week there are 1.162T dollars in circulation globally. Doing some basics math, that puts every dollar at holding roughly $13.75 worth of debt. I know, there are many other facts into leveraging the debt other than simple dollar to debt calculation. But it gives a good picture of how screwed our currency is.
packwilleat 3 months ago
This is what $16+ trillion dollars looks like in $100 dollar bills.......
by Randy
Themis 3 months ago
Packwilleat - everything you say makes perfect since like you say by the basic math...but with all the reading I've done I can't find where austerity has worked.......when you and I get broke we cut back and it works for us. But when a government gets broke it seems they have to spend money and invest to keep the economy from crashing......but I am still like most on this board that if that hand of cards is not played but with the utmost of care it will crash.....but I guess I'll never truly understand it. And I sometimes worry that we will be the example of the 20/20 vision of hindsight if we end up looking back on what we "should have done."
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
when you and I get broke we cut back and it works for us. But when a government gets broke it seems they have to spend money and invest to keep the economy from crashing..
There's a reason macro- and micro-economics are taught as separate classes. "As above, so below" doesn't necessarily apply in the Dismal Science.
packwilleat 3 months ago
Dusty tell me...... what entity has caused every great society/economy to fail? And why.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Societies and economies fail for a variety of reasons, pack. I'm sure there's some simplistic once size fits all idea you have in your head, but it's most likely wrong for at least some instances of societal collapse.
Now answer my question: point me to a country for whom austerity has worked to create jobs and grow the economy.
geoffcutler 3 months ago
Canada?
The reason there is need for austerity is that Socialist spending, taxation, and poor investment have bankrupted the country in question. Your plan is to continue the policies that bankrupted the country in the first place? Good Plan!
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Canada?
You mean the country with a national single payer health plan and a program of government spending to foster job creation?
http://actionplan.gc.ca/en/blog/canadas-economic-action-plan-working-canadians
Canada's Economic Action Plan offers measures and programs to fuel job creation, grow our economy and increase Canada's long-term prosperity. Creating jobs and helping workers get better jobs are top priorities. Apprenticeship grants, retraining programs, support resources, and funding give Canadians access to training, personal development and career advancement—exactly what is needed to succeed in today’s global economy
Canada’s Economic Action Plan is providing additional resources to support advanced research in universities and other leading research institutions.
See also:
http://actionplan.gc.ca/en/initiative-glossary/government
Heh. Looks like what you'd call "socialism" to me, not austerity. Looks remarkably like the sort of thing Obama's proposing.
And you're the one that brought them up. Delicious.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Here's another little tidbit: General government spending in the United States was 41.9% of GDP in 2011; in Canada it was 43.2%.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/hardheaded-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s-.html
On July 1, Canada Day, Canadians awoke to a startling, if pleasant, piece of news: For the first time in recent history, the average Canadian is richer than the average American. According to data from Environics Analytics WealthScapes published in the Globe and Mail, the net worth of the average Canadian household in 2011 was $363,202, while the average American household’s net worth was $319,970. A few days later, Canada and the U.S. both released the latest job figures. Canada’s unemployment rate fell, again, to 7.2 percent, and America’s was a stagnant 8.2 percent. Canada continues to thrive while the U.S. struggles to find its way out of an intractable economic crisis and a political sine curve of hope and despair.
So, I ask again: point me to a country for whom austerity has worked to create jobs and grow the economy.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Greece, meanwhile, will reach a primary budget balance sometime this year, meaning that they'll balance how much goes out and how much they take in. Source; International Monetary Fund as reported by Bloomberg.
Greek unemployment: 27 percent.
Tell me again how austerity=prosperity.
Yukonjohn 3 months ago
In my humble opinion, we have a perfect solution, or at least a start of a solution with sequestration!! Maybe that will start the cuts that we so desperately need.
LSM 3 months ago
People do realize that the population of Canada is about three million people less than the State of California. California's debt: http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html
Canada's debt: http://www.debtclock.ca/
At what level of debt does prosperity occur?
Thatcher 3 months ago
"So, I ask again: point me to a country for whom austerity has worked to create jobs and grow the economy." Ok. Here are several: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303329/austerity-works-michael-tanner?pg=1. Oh, and it worked here in the United States during the mid to late 1940s after World War II: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-11/politics/31663639_1_unemployment-rate-civilian-labor-force-real-price. Glad to help, and let me know if you need more. Cheers!
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
At what level of debt does prosperity occur?
Begging the question. Try again.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Thatcher: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/estonian-rhapsdoy/
So, a terrible — Depression-level — slump, followed by a significant but still incomplete recovery. Better than no recovery at all, obviously — but this is what passes for economic triumph?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/latvian-competitiveness/
As Simon Wren-Lewis says, there’s something about the Latvian experience that causes many people to leave their critical faculties at the immigration desk. I think it’s mainly the fact that austerians need a hero, and Ireland keeps failing to deliver
The bottom line is that while Latvia’s willingness to endure extreme austerity is politically impressive, its economic data don’t support any of the claims being made about its economic lessons.
Hey if you can quote NRO, I can quote Krugman. Which one won the Nobel Prize?
packwilleat 3 months ago
Before I get to the point, Dusty are you claiming for a nation to be prosperous it must run a debt and therefore adhere to deficit spending?
Thatcher 3 months ago
dustyrhoades-- Your reliance on Paul Krugman (and sole and repeated reliance), is remarkable This is the guy who proposed minting a $1 trillion coin, which even you found preposterous. Even Jon Stewart laughed at Krugman, and Krugman (in his typical fashion) slams Stewart for being stupid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAJa3w.... Krugman and you share a certain style in this regard. And of course, there is always the Krugman "space alien" theory, where we can end unemployment by preparing for a made-up invasion by aliens from outer space: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaED2E.... You pointed out many months ago that you believed Krugman was only kidding about his space alien idea, then later agreed that he was serious about his $1 trillion coin idea...despite the fact that the coin idea is even crazier than the space alien idea. And today, he is your favorite source for "austerity never works." Too funny! Cheers!
Thatcher 3 months ago
"Hey, if you can quote NRO, I can quote Krugman. Which one won the Nobel Prize?" Let me guess: the guy who proposes to mint a $1 trillion coin and eliminate unemployment by preparing for a fake attack by aliens from outer space. Did I guess right? That guy, right? The guy you quote? What do I win? Too funny! Cheers!
LSM 3 months ago
Here is some recent yet classic Paul Krugman from just earlier this month.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/opinion/krugman-kick-that-can.html?_r=0
His solution other than to blame George Bush is just "kick the can down the road" for future generations to worry about. Pretty simple question : At what level of debt does prosperity begin? Twenty trillion, one hundred trillion, maybe a national debt where all the money in the world will not pay it.
Thatcher 3 months ago
Other notable Nobel Prize winners: Yasser Arafat (a terrorist); Al Gore (a..uh...nevermind), and Obama who won the Peace Prize. Krugman is in solid company, no doubt. Cheers!
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
So what we have is two tiny countries, one with a population about the size of Brooklyn, that, even taking your evidence in the light most favorable to you, have experienced at best very modest growth (I don't see anyone lining up to move to the Latvian boomtowns). OTOH, we see larger, more populous countries for whom austerity has done nothing, and in fact has made things worse (see, balanced budget and 27 percent unemployment).
Then we have Canada, the country Geoff brought up, which is what any right winger would call "socialist", which is investing in jobs and spending on infrastructure (similar to what the President has proposed) , and which has a higher net worth per family and lower unemployment.
The wingnut response to these facts? Make fun of the Nobel Prize.
And that's why I treat you with contempt. You have contempt for the facts and the truth.
Thatcher 3 months ago
"And that's why I treat you with contempt." No, you treat us with contempt because (a) we disagree with you, and (b) it's the way you are. It is no different than the way Krugman treated Stewart, calling him stupid for disagreeing with the $1 trillion coin idea. How dare anyone criticize or disagree with someone so brilliant. I suspect you and Krugman can't help yourselves in this regard. Of course, you could comment on my Business Insider link, but unless Krugman has first offered his thoughts, you won't, because you can't. Seriously, you should consider how Krugman disparaged Stewart, and ask yourself if your approach here is any different than Krugman's. They are one in the same. And there lies your problem. You claim you treat me and others "with contempt" because we disagree with you, and you, like Krugman, believe you are smarter than everyone else...and you would be right if aliens were attacking us in their quest for the $1 trillion coin. And you still call me a "wingnut." Cheers!
packwilleat 3 months ago
Back to deficit spending. It can be a productive means to stimulate economic growth in the short hand, but can be an extremely disastrous long term plan. The are many factors that have to come in to play once market manipulation starts taking place. In the end it is all funny money, adding zeros here, margin lending there, and fractional banking over there. Any form of manipulation is a bet placed against the market long term. With our current GDP growth rate lingering between 1.5-2.0%, high unemployment, devalued currency, and flat private sector, gambling with deficit spending in the 1.5 trillion dollar range is quite substantial. But in the end, our economy and currency is based on fiat(BS). Most boom and bust markets happen when external factors come into play and try to force corrections. Kinda like the housing bubble. Forcing unsound practices in order to achieve unnatural expectations. When markets are left to natural and sound practices the slope is quite linear. It my not be as "speedy" in achieving the end goal of a overly prosperous economy. But the growth is gradual and natural. Macro and micro economics typically operate on the same level, difference being in macro the ability to issue/regulate currency is added.
Thatcher 3 months ago
"You have contempt for the facts and the truth." Uh, no. You have little interest in the "facts," and could care less about the "truth." Which is why you quoted Paul Krugman.You should stick to law. Economics appears to be something you can only post about by quoting a guy who thinks a fake alien attack can stimulate the economy, perhaps in their intergalactic quest to steal the $1 trillion coin. Please take a deep breath. You can do better here if you really want to. Cheers!
geoffcutler 3 months ago
"Tax" those who can pay a tax, to pay for those who cannot, and "spend" use the tax dollars to pay for societal ills. .those who cannot pay taxes. Add that up, and nations go broke. Austerity, is just a fancy word for reigning in the expenditure government can't afford. This nation is running a 16t debt, and can't even get an annual budget to the floor to be voted on. And you think we're different from Greece? You think this makes for a sound economic plan? Ever tried it in your household? You CANNOT continue to spend money that you do not have. Countries can't do it, States can't do it, Towns can't do it, and families can't do it. Keynes and Krugman are idiots, and nations right across the Atlantic prove it. Sorry for the all capped word.
Thatcher 3 months ago
geoff-- Keynes and Krugman are who they are (or in Keynes' case, was), but I believe that either of them may have fathered this liberal CNN reporter, who wonders whether asteroids are the result of global warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObU7awpJctQ. Maybe the asteroids, like the space aliens, are after Krugman's $1 trillion coin. Cheers my friend!
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Note the complete failure to address the fact that austerity hasn't worked in Greece and Ireland, and government investment (or as the right calls it, "socialism") has worked in Canada.
Instead, more whining about how mean I am, because you can't address those simple facts.
You lose! Cheers!
So when are you right wingers moving to Latvia? I hear it's an economic paradise there....
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Ah, and let's not forget Iceland, which "introduced currency controls, let the banks fail, provided support for the poor, and didn’t introduce austerity measures like you’re seeing here in Europe."...
And they have 5% unemployment.
We now return to your regularly scheduled right wing whining and desperate attempts to change the subject.
packwilleat 3 months ago
My mother country, Poland, has done quite well with austerity coupled with their avoidance of the Euro.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
And oh, look! Here's Spain:
The housing bubble that began with the introduction of the euro and burst in Spain in 2008 was not unlike the one that helped cause a recession in the United States. But the rigid austerity-focused response to Spain’s crisis and the strictures of the nation’s membership in the euro zone have prevented any similar recovery from taking hold. The country’s recession continues to deepen; unemployment continues to rise. The jobless rate reached 22.8 percent at the end of last year, more than double the European average, and is much higher for young people.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Poland? Let's have a look:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/poland/unemployment-rate
"Unemployment Rate in Poland increased to 14.20 percent in January of 2013 from 13.40 percent in December of 2012."
Yeah, they're doing GREAT!
It can happen here, indeed. But only if we listen to the Right.
Austerity=high unemployment. The dirty little secret the budget cutters don't want you to know.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
More Poland for pack:
The worm is really turning for the Polish economy, with yet more terrible data released on Thursday showing that the economic slowdown is a lot more sudden and sharper than most analysts had expected just a few months ago. Retail sales in December fell at a 2.5 per cent annual rate – far below the consensus of a 1.3 per cent increase and a sign that the Polish consumers who helped keep the economy out of recession in 2009 have firmly shut their wallets. That means a lot of Polish children had meagre pickings for presents, as shoppers were more careful than expected even during the height of the Christmas season. Adding to the bad news and providing some explanation for twitchy consumers, unemployment in December was 13.4 per cent, up from 12.9 per cent in November and again worse than consensus, which had predicted unemployment of 13.3 per cent.
Yeah, they've really "done quite well with austerity".
packwilleat 3 months ago
It just depends on how the numbers are cooked. If we look at the U-6 figures, the US is very well close to 20-25% unemployment.
http://m.cnbc.com/us_news/48468748
packwilleat 3 months ago
US U-6 figures .......
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Ah, they always trot out the orange to compare with the apple. They always run to the U6, which no one had heard of before the wingnuts wanted to deny the fact of recovery and trash the US's good news for political gain.
Unless you can show me that austerity has lowered the Polish/Greek/Spanish/Irish equivalent of the U6 you people always trot out to a rate below America's, bringing up the U-6 doesn't do a thing to address the argument.
And claiming the numbers are "cooked"...sounds familiar. Sounds like something I heard a lot back in November of 2012....
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
In short, if you're trying to compare a US U-6 with a Polish/Greek/Spanish/Irish non-U6, your argument is dead in the water.
dentman65 3 months ago
Going back to the top letter, do many of you think that the Obama administration is anti-capitalist?
packwilleat 3 months ago
Dentman- Obama is not anti-capitalist, but his followers are.
packwilleat 3 months ago
Dusty- I'm not trying to compare anything. More or less just to show how numbers are cooked depending at the mission at hand. Unemployment is an impossible number to calculate. Much in the same way illegals are or how many grains of sand are on the beach. Poland actually did a fair job of stabilizing their economy through spending cuts "austerity", I'm still trying to figure out how you are defining that word. But most of their success came from not doing what the rest of European nations did, join the Euro. What a disaster that idea was.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Unemployment is an impossible number to calculate.
Funny, it didn't seem that way during the election when people were hammering President Obama with the unemployment numbers...till they went down, that is.
When the numbers aren't on your side, pretend they don't mean anything. Weak.
LSM 3 months ago
From Paul Krugman writing about the proposed stimulus or The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 of $787 Billion dollars.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/romer-and-bernstein-on-stimulus/
Unemployment at present date of January 2013. January payroll employment rises (+157,000); jobless rate essentially unchanged (7.9%)
Source: http://www.bls.gov/
CBS News/ October 13, 2010 Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects"