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David Gray (“Absurd Outcry,” Jan. 20) was very critical of local gun owners rallying in support of the Second Amendment.
Although I am neutral on the issue of gun control, I would hastily point out to Mr. Gray that the main reason people were there was because of the rights afforded to them under the First Amendment. This amendment gives them the right to “peaceful assembly,” to express their views.
Mr. Gray’s statements were typical of a true left wing liberal. This rally had nothing to do with Fox News or the local political establishment. It was simply Americans expressing their beliefs and rights, just as Mr. Gray has to submit his letter to The Pilot and express his liberal tax-and- spend Democratic views.
A.C. Robertson
Aberdeen
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JimRussell44 3 months, 1 week ago
I don't think anyone can be "neutral" on the gun control issue but I do believe that everyone has the right to voice their opinion, which is the point of the letter.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
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JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago
Who could possibly complain? It was entirely appropriate for gun enthusiasts to celebrate their freedom to own SR-15 Kid Killers immediately the wholesale slaughter of six-year-olds.
Who would expect anything else?
skylinefirepest 3 months, 1 week ago
Heim, you're a freaking socialist idiot...oh well, maybe you'll have a chance to read this before the Pilot censors it for some reason or other. DR can get away with all kinds of crap because he labels his slop as "satire" and for some reason the Pilot prints it as if it were good stuff. I'll inform the readership that DUSTY R sent me an email from the pilot website with more of his silly hissy fit threats as if he honestly thinks that will make me go slack on him. Dusty, I'll say it again, maybe it's time for you to take a vacation, drink some more moonieshine or whatever you smoke or do for relaxation and give the written words a chance to cool off. You've been spending way too much time in front of your computer instead of in the courtroom suing conservative millionaires for their ill gotten gains.
JimRussell44 3 months ago
wdd101st, I'll be typing this as slowly as I can so you can keep up. NOBODY WANTS TO PREVENT YOU FROM OWNING AND CARRYING FIREARMS, What most of us would like to see is the criminals and the mentally unstable being prevented from accessing firearms that shoot large quantities of bullets in a very short period of time. We are only interested in removing these types of weapons from the general populace. We are also wanting to have a very tight system in place that insures that only decent, law abiding citizens can obtain firearms. The purpose for wanting that is to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable. We would also like to see all firearms carry a tamper-proof serial number so any firearm used in the commission of a crime can be traced back to the person who bought it and the person who sold it. Why all law abiding, decent, respectable gun owners would not want the same thing is beyond my comprehension. Oh yea, that's right, the officials you elected to run our country want to be able to take your guns away and they can't do that unless this system is in place. Is that your argument? It's all a big plot, right? Our elected officials have no desire to keep criminals and the mentally disturbed from going on a killing rampage, no desire to keep them from harming you, your family or your possessions, right? They just want to deny honest, respectable, law abiding decent people from owning a gun, isn't that what you think? Come on folks, jump in here and say, "Yes, Jim, that is exactly what they are trying to do." Quit hiding behind the 2nd amendment and come right out and say what you think.
JimHeim 3 months ago
I see that an NRA spokesman has told the world that they're just waiting for the 'Connecticut effect' to wear off so they can begin working on more relaxed gun laws.
I guess they've figured out that legislators only care about murdered children for a little while.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
why should he be against other Americans keeping their right to own and carry fire arms.
Do you ever stop lying?
clarabelle 3 months ago
They are making a sequel to the movie "Dumb and Dumber". Perhaps they could get wd40 and pest to play the leads.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Dusty, I'll say it again, maybe it's time for you to take a vacation, drink some more moonieshine or whatever you smoke or do for relaxation and give the written words a chance to cool off.
When are you going to own up to lying about me calling assault weapons "weapons of mass destruction", pest? Ever?
That's what's prompted this little PMS fit you've been having over the past few days. You got caught lying, and instead of doing the right thing and saying "oh, wait, that was someone else that said that, my bad," you dodged, evaded, and are now throwing a multi-day, multi-thread tantrum.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Oh, and pest? Maybe it's time for you to kiss my a__.
clarabelle 3 months ago
damn - I am amazed a small town like this offers a place to vent............in a public forum.
I am truly appreciative............ sincerely
Thatcher 3 months ago
Oh boy.
clarabelle 3 months ago
smiles........... you should really be appreciative - especially since you are here 24/7.
cheers thatcher :)
MichaelFlorence 3 months ago
Really everyone needs to grow up. Reread your comments everyone and see how hateful and moronic you all sound. And for God's Sake will The Pilot finally pull Dusty Rhoades off of their columnist list, and remove his ability to post on these threads. Not always but usually Dusty will insult someone, call them names or ask them to kiss parts of his body. Grow up Dusty and concentrate on your law practice.
Toda 3 months ago
Hang in there Dusty ... most will go away like a bad migraine. Intellectual discussion usually ends in insults since their power of logical discussion has one sentence limitations.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
And for God's Sake will The Pilot finally pull Dusty Rhoades off of their columnist list, and remove his ability to post on these threads.
Another wingnut trying to silence disagreement and turn this forum and the editorial pages into the right wing wankfest of his dreams. Because, you know, it's all about freedom with these people. But only for them.
skylinefirepest 3 months ago
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JimRussell44 3 months ago
Not a single comment from the pro gun faction on my post over 11 hours ago. Their non-response speaks volumes.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
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skylinefirepest 3 months ago
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skylinefirepest 3 months ago
Okay, Jim...I agree with the first few of your comments. Where we part ways is when you insist on banning or getting rid of firearms that have been around for over a hundred years...which is all semi-autos. I'm simply not willing for you to trade away the RIGHT of law abiding gun owners because some nut case mis-uses one. I would support a psych check on prospective buyers but I refuse the idea that for me to sell a legally owned product to a friend of family member should require them to get permission from the government. All sales made by gun dealers, whether at gun shows or not, require federal paperwork. So the idea that there is a "gun show loophole" is simply made up by the gun haters. And I still maintain that if you were really concerned about American lives you would be calling and writing your elected representatives trying to get them to ban tobacco and alcohol products. And by the way, you don't holler about Ford when a drunk kills somebody on the road...why are you hollering about guns when a nutcase does his violence with a gun?? Because you don't like them is not a valid reason, my friend.
dentman65 3 months ago
Does anyone know when the first questions about "The right to bear arms" really started to be a top topic in DC? Or has it been on-going since the writing of the constitution? Make it a great day!
DingoMike 3 months ago
Jim Russell, I think that your plan for weapon control is misguided. Your post said that decent law abiding citizens should be in favor of keeping weapons that can shoot a lot of bullets in a short period of time out of the hands of the mentally unstable and criminals. That is why we need a strong system in place. When has any govermental system EVER been able to get that job done??? Your defination of weapons that can shoot a lot of bullets in a very short peroid of time includes all semi-automatic weapons. I have grown up with firearms in my family home my entire life. Now that I'm married with a son I intend to give my son the teachings that my father and all the weapons instructors that have entered my life to him. I will empart to him that a weapon is nothing more that a tool to be used in any manner that the owner wishes. I will insist that he use those said tools in a responsible manner that will not reflect poorly on either himself or our family. I have no wish for either my state or federal goverment to tell me that I can or cannot own a weapon simply because someone put it on a banned list. I take part in fun matches all over the country that use semi-automatic rifles and have had a great deal of fun doing so. My favorite rifle to shoot is anM-1 Garand that was made in 1943 and shoots 8 rounds in a clip. It was the premire assault weapon of it's day and is on someones hit list. You have to be kidding me!!!!! Big goverment will NEVER be able to have any system that can deliver the security that you want. Start by teaching those members of you own family to handle weapons in a safe manner then go out into your community to tea
Toda 3 months ago
S&W: Running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.
Remington: Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can’t get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by lack of bolt carrier’s.
LWRC: Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can’t get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as
Possible w/over 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.
MAGPUL: Behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.
RELOADERS: ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra’s for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months
before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we’ll keep you posted...
Related commentary from Bob Owens:
They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. M anufacturers are running full-bore, but can’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It isn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that are sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1
.Garands, M1 Carbines, and Enfield .303s are gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seemed to have10-20—are gone.
So is their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years is gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.
Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats!
JimHeim 3 months ago
DingoMike - Our government is nowhere near as incompetent as you seem to think. The Department of Defense has kept us from being conquered by anyone lately, NASA has had some successes in space technology and I haven't missed a Social Security check or had a Medicare claim fouled up. DMV seems able to supply me with license plates and drivers licenses as needed.
On the other hand, if you keep putting people into political office who have a need to prove that government doesn't work, it's only a matter of time until they screw things up so badly that they're proven right.
JimHeim 3 months ago
Todas - I expect that the photo the White House released last week of a black guy firing a shotgun sent our friends scurrying to the guns shops in droves.
Toda 3 months ago
Ditto Jim ... "Self fulfilling prophecy" The Repubs are good at that (ie George Bush).
Themis 3 months ago
Toda I would have to agree....if any of you care to look at charts of gun sales they have gone from 8.6 million in 2005 to 16.8 million in 2012. It does not look like it will be slowing down anytime soon. The talk of banning some weapons has increased the sales of them,,,,,,,,no doubt.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Todas - I expect that the photo the White House released last week of a black guy firing a shotgun sent our friends scurrying to the guns shops in droves.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/gun-sales-soar-on-photo-of-armed-obama.html
JimHeim 3 months ago
Gotta love Andy.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Gotta love Andy.
What's even more fun is the reactions of the goobers who don't get that it's a joke.
DingoMike 3 months ago
Jim Heim, I did not say that the entire goverment is incompetent. I only said that the goverment has never been able to manage anything well. Look at how my social security has been extended to 67 yrs from 65 just because those fools in D.C. can get more people who have not paid into the system to reap a benifit that they have not earned. DoD is so wasteful as to be beyond belief. 5oo dollars for a brass hammer that you or I could buy off a tool truck for 60 dollars. YEAH RIGHT!! NASA could not see that an o ring would not deform in cold weather so the space shuttle would not blow up on live tv??? Stop looking at things as you want to appear and look at things in a different light. By the way have you ever been to the DMV in Fayetteville??? OMG What a waste of time and effort. Those ladies were so worthless that I went to the Aberdeen DMV office and got all the work done with no fuss. KUDO's to those fine women. Next time try to read what someone writes before you slam them.
Courseaire 3 months ago
5oo dollars for a brass hammer that you or I could buy off a tool truck for 60 dollars
Ya have to remember that hammer was special, it could:
MichaelFlorence 3 months ago
Just for Dusty
I only asked The Pilot to finally realize what a waste of space most of your work is and all of your comments to finally be taken down. Usually not always you are the one who will first call people names, and then insult them, then try to intimidate them, and then try to have them kiss parts of your body. Your manners are rude, your writing is at best poor, and the only skin that you really get under is your own. Really will all need to think about the things that we all write and say on these forum posts, but at best your comments are best to just be ignored.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
at best your comments are best to just be ignored.
Feel free to do so. If you can...but you've said this twice now, and you haven't been able to do it yet. Maybe you and Preacher Geoff can get together and form a DR Anonymous Chapter.
http://thepilot.com/users/photos/2013/jan/30/24112/
JimRussell44 3 months ago
skylinefirepest, Glad I was able to get you to agree on at least a few things. But you keep missing my point about semi-automatic firearms. If you go back and re-read almost every one of my posts, I talk about "semi-automatic firearms that ARE CAPABLE OF FIRING LARGE QUANTITIES OF BULLETS IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME". Would you agree that not ALL semi-automatic firearms fit that description? If you do, then you must quit saying that I want to ban all firearms or I want to ban all semi-automatic firearms. Next, we talk about gun registration. You say that all gun sales made by gun stores have "federal paperwork", regardless if they are sold at their store or at a gun show. If this is actually true, with no loopholes, great. But you, yourself, want a giant loophole by saying that once you own a gun, you should be able to sell it to whoever you want without leaving any sort of paper trail. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a major source for weapons getting into the hands of criminals? Why would you not want to go that extra step and help prevent that from happening? As for alcohol or tobacco or cars, all three have restrictions associated with them. Cars have to be registered and the paper trail continues when you sell a car. You have to have a licence to drive a car. You have to carry insurance to legally drive your car on the highway. Your car, in many states, has to be inspected annually and you may be required to be tested to maintain your ability to drive your car. All this for the ability to have transportation. I believe that a product that has the primary purpose of killing should have at least as much oversight.
JimRussell44 3 months ago
DingoMike, misguided or not, those are my opinions. As I pointed out to skylinefirepest, all semi-automatic firearms are not capable of firing "large quantities of bullets in a short amount of time". If the firearm has a 6, 8 or 10 shot capacity, they are not capable of "large quantities". Firearms that fire 30, 50 or 100 rounds as fast as you twitch your finger are "large quantity" firearms. I can't tell from your response if you are opposed to tight gun registration requirements and background checks or if you simply don't think the government is capable of doing it. Jim Heim has already provided you with examples of things the government is already doing in a reasonable manner. I'll add one more. The system of air traffic control in this country is run by the government. I am glad you take gun ownership as the serious responsibility it is. If more people were as attentive to all the details as you seem to be, we would not be having this discussion.
skylinefirepest 3 months ago
No, Jim, you're talking about ALL semi-autos...there aren't any slow or fast semi-autos. You're talking about firearms that have been around for over a hundred years. There are some semi's that load from a tube or a small mag but by far the greatest number of firearms out there are loaded by magazines. There have been a few advances in firearm design and definite improvements in quality...which is why the AR platforms are so popular with millions of people. They are accurate, HIGH quality firearms that are fun to shoot and very dependable. And you can load them down with doodads such as laser sights, light mounts, etc. And yes, if I own a legal item I should be able to sell or give it to anyone I desire with no problems from the government. I don't need paperwork to sell a car...if the new owner wants to drive it he has to license, insure, etc. And I personally fill out a yellow sheet for any firearm I may sell. MichaelF...I'll apologize to you and the other readers for allowing DR to lead me into a childish rant. My only defense is that I'm sick and damn tired of his name calling and I simply won't put up with his crap...like the Pilot seems to expect us all to do! Mr. Nagy when you put DR in a time-out or tell him to cool his crap then I will stop baiting him. But because he happens to put his name calling pieces in the Pilot and defends his mess as SATIRE shouldn't give him carte blanche to be a literary SOB. And you might want to inform him that his threats of suing for libel are mindless, baseless threats and as long as he writes his little attack pieces he has no such priviledge. I'll remind you again that he emailed me through the Pilot with his hissy fit threats.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Apparently, Mr. Nagy disagrees with you as to what's libelous, Little Man Pest.
You might want to let it go, considering that they're actually protecting you by deleting the offending posts.
You know, I get posts deleted from time to time. I try not to go into three days of screaming fantods because of it.
dustyrhoades 3 months ago
Back on the subject I mentioned to JimHeim of people getting fooled by satirists:
WaPo Corrects Story That Reported Sarah Palin Was Joining Al Jazeera
Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are.
JimHeim 3 months ago
Good grief, Dusty, it's even funnier than we thought. Via Balloon Juice:
The Daily Currant’s front page features stories like Catholic Church Considering Jerry Sandusky as Next Pope, Glenn Beck Calls 911 After Accidentally Eating Halal Pizza and Sarah Palin to Join Al Jazeera as Host. Guess which one the Washington Post picked up.
Meg Greenfield would be aghast!
Toda 3 months ago
"Right-wing opponents of Mr. Obama were behind the frenzied gun sales, saying that they were terrified by the image of an armed and shooting President. “I don’t want to sound paranoid or anything, but now everything Obama has been doing makes sense,” said Harland Dorrinson, who was waiting on a blocks-long line outside a West Virginia Wal-Mart. “He wants to take away all our guns and then he’s going to come shoot us.”
Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/gun-sales-soar-on-photo-of-armed-obama.html#ixzz2KjjVIejo
JimRussell44 3 months ago
skylinefirepest, I don't want to belabor this point any further. This is as simple as I can make it: I am opposed to any firearm that can shoot large quantities of bullets (large quantities defined as more than 10) in a short amount of time (short amount of time defined to mean as quickly as you can pull the trigger). Do any "semi-automatic" firearms meet that criteria? Do no "semi-automatic firearms meet that criteria? Do some "semi-automatic firearms meet that criteria? I don't give a crap if they are "high powered, low powered or medium powered. I don't give a crap if you call them "assault rifles", "plinking " rifles, or "hunting" rifles. I could care less if they are rifles, they might be handguns as well. I don't care if they have been around for 100 years or if they were designed yesterday. I don't give a flying flip how much "fun" they are to shoot. None of that stuff is relevant to the discussion. The discussion being: How can we keep criminals and the mentally troubled from obtaining a firearm that kills lots of people quickly.
skylinefirepest 3 months ago
Ok, JimR, basically what you want to do is ban firearms! I also want to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally disabled. But our government seemingly is more interested in banning a firearm line that is extremely popular in the United States and is owned by Millions of LAW ABIDING citizens. And I'll remind you that this line of firearms that you dislike so much is used very, very little in crime despite the anguished cries of our liberal media. And I am not willing to be blamed for the criminal's violence therefore we really can't come to an agreement. I will not willingly give up any firearm that I own. It will have to be taken. And that is where I, along with many other Americans will become very dangerous.
JimHeim 3 months ago
skyline - If the government outlaws assault rifles (again), those who continue to possess them will no longer be law abiding citizens.
Arestorer 3 months ago
JimHeim- Question.........When the G-ment outlawed Assault rifles before,was there some kind of Grandfather clause or did they confiscate everyones rifle??
JimHeim 3 months ago
I recall no confiscation. Anyone? And if they wouldn't confiscate then, what makes you think they will now?
skylinefirepest 3 months ago
Jimmy H..."will no longer be law abiding citizens".....How 'bout that. There's probably several million American citizens who will refuse and therefore become "no longer law abiding." Does your extreme left party really want to do that? All while refusing to go after real criminals?