Put Voter ID to the Same Test

Middleman522 3 months, 1 week ago

Terry are you trying to put ACORN(or whatever their new name is) out of business. I think BHO won every state with no ID law.

OldPilot 3 months, 1 week ago

Sounds like "let them eat cake". Suspect the people who lack photo ID don't go out of town much or just have someone pick up their mail for them.

JimRussell44 3 months, 1 week ago

I see we still have a solution in search of a problem. I will agree that having the proper ID to vote is a reasonable thing to do. I am also of the opinion that if we do require an ID to vote, then everyone should have to go through the exact same process needed to obtain one. Each voter should have to answer the same questions, provide the same documentation, have the same style photo taken and have all of this information contained in exactly the same photo ID card. No "grandfathering in" various forms of photo ID from a drivers license or passport. Everyone should have to be equally inconvenienced to go through the process of obtaining the one, true, acceptable photo ID needed to vote. Mitt Romney should go through the same process as the guy who shines Mitt Romney's shoes has to go through. When we do it this way, then I'll be convinced that this whole thing is not about keeping certain people from voting for certain candidates.

The_AnonymusProfit 3 months, 1 week ago

Voter ID is a good thing, any argument against is is ridiculous, the only thing that must change is that the states must be required to give photo ids away for free, do that and it will be passed in every state legislature red or blue.

AFCHIEF 3 months, 1 week ago

Because it is racist somehow

fugitiveguy 3 months, 1 week ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyyHegP255g

the voter ID issue has been debated on these forums enough. For a better use of your time please check out this speech given by Dr Ben Carson yesterday at the National Prayer Breakfast. I looked it up because it schooled President Obama (who sat 2 seats away). What I heard was an amazing speech from what has to be one of the brightest minds in our country. Check it out.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Because it's racist to the core,is aimed at a non-extent problem, will explode the time voters have to wait in line and will cost the state tens of millions of dollars.

Otherwise it's a peachy idea.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Middleman - When you have to invent a foe, your argument looks really lame.

AFCHIEF 3 months, 1 week ago

Heim How will implementing voter id cost the state tens of millions of dollars?

Thatcher 3 months, 1 week ago

JimHeim-- If such IDs will cost us tens of millions of dollars, isn't that a good thing for you? You claim deficits don't matter and the government must spend more. But on voter ID, you appear frugal. Why? Cheers!

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher - NC is not permitted to have a deficit.

nothingspecial 3 months, 1 week ago

Speaking of voter ID and Jim's plea that you believe voter fraud is a myth, here is our weekly news report on voter fraud:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340174/voter-fraud-never-happens-keeps-coming-back-john-fund

Thatcher 3 months, 1 week ago

JimHim-- "Thatcher- NC is not permitted to have a deficit." This must be rather sad for you. Cheers!

madstork 3 months, 1 week ago

JHEIM- why, exactly, is" it racist to the core"?

AFCHIEF 3 months, 1 week ago

Guess Dr Bejamin Carson in the video above must be Racist he disagrees with Obama policys

clarabelle 3 months, 1 week ago

" nothingspecial - Speaking of voter ID and Jim's plea that you believe voter fraud is a myth, here is our weekly news report on voter fraud:"

"The Hamilton County Board of Elections is investigating 19 possible cases of alleged voter fraud that occurred when Ohio was a focal point of the 2012 presidential election. A total of 19 voters and nine witnesses are part of the probe."

whew.............. a massive 19 votes .............. and this hasn't even been proven.

and........... voter fraud - the kind voter ID's would prevent - at polling places is actually almost nonexistent.

I have nothing against voter ID's - I just hate the silly lame attempts republicans use to justify it!

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/voter-fraud-not-really-matter-opinion-new-york-times

Toda 3 months, 1 week ago

fugitiveguy =>Thanks for the thread and video. I didn't quite see the lesson for POTUS'O, but I have always felt this nation should have a FairTax.org

Pay taxes on what one purchases as opposed to what one earns.

The video should find a place on the front page...I enjoyed it!

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Thatcher - No, it was a simple of statement of fact. States cannot run deficits so that they cannot be the economic driver that the federal government can.

Further, not all spending is equal. Spending millions to counter a non-existent threat probably won't benefit the economy in the same way repairing a highway or bridge might.

Spending on voter photo ID is pure waste and does not benefit the voters or the tax payers.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Photo ID is racist in that it deliberately targets the African-American community of which 25% does not have photo ID. It will cost the state upwards of $20 million to facilitate photo ID due to the cost of providing free photo IDs to all voters (by federal law no one can be required to pay for ID needed to vote) and for the training of the thousands of poll workers to properly examine the valid forms.

Experience has shown that photo ID slows the process at the polls so longer lines and long delays can be expected.

Slow voting and voter exclusion are the point as has been admitted by Republican officials in a number of states. All for a problem that even Republicans admit (when under oath) does not exist.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

nothingspecial - Let's see if I have this right. Mr Fund says there are 19 possible cases of voter fraud out of 5.5 million cast in Ohio. Even if all 19 prove true (and they seldom do. Usually it's a case of address or name change due to marriage errors), we're looking at three in a million. That's going to make swinging an election kind of tough.

Can you do better?

BTW - The few cases that made the news during the 2012 election cycle were all Republicans caught trying to prove that voter fraud is easy. Turns out, its not.

AFCHIEF 3 months, 1 week ago

Heim QUIT LYING THAT VOTER IDs WILL COST THE STATE tens of million of dollars.

For $10 any person without a drivers license can get a photo ID.

http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/id-cards.php

madstork 3 months, 1 week ago

JHeim says - "Photo ID is racist in that it deliberately targets the African-American community "Actually it targets those who don’t have an ID. Maybe that becomes a cultural issue, but I don’t see evidence of racism. The word racism is frequently misused. As a noun, it is defined as believing a race is inferior. Groups of people get targeted all the time in this society. It’s called life. I get targeted for secondary screening at airports; Heim himself targets the Republican Party as old white males…we all get labeled. There are aspects of many cultures that I attribute to that specific culture. It doesn’t mean I am racist…it means I am culturally biased.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

madstork - You are quite wrong. Republicans chose to pursue photo IF specifically because they learned about the large proportion of African-Americans without photo ID. It's that simple. This has never been about voter fraud. It's about voter disenfranchisement.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

afchief - Which part of voter ID's must be free of charge do you not understand?

DaveyNC 3 months, 1 week ago

The same people who are against voter ID (ahem, JimHeim) want to impose registration and ID requirements on gun owners.

Both are constitutional rights, don't they deserve equal treatment? Neither is more or less protected by the Constitution.

madstork 3 months, 1 week ago

I guess quite wrong trumps just wrong, but could you provide data for your comment?

AFCHIEF 3 months, 1 week ago

Heim which part of YOU LYING ABOUT VOTER IDs costing TAXPAYERS 10s of Millions of Dollars. Voter ID is not going to cost me or the taxpayers a dime.

Thatcher 3 months, 1 week ago

JimHeim (3 hours, 56 min. ago)-- "Photo ID is racist in that it deliberately targets the African-American community...." Wrong again. http://www.wral.com/board-556-513-voters-have-no-record-of-a-dmv-issued-id/11956012/. More than half of those who do not have a state issued ID are white. A non-driver's photo ID cost $10. http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/id-cards.php. So tell us again about the tens of millions of dollars voter ID will cost the state? Cheers

Thatcher 3 months, 1 week ago

Gosh, I forgot to mention...the $10 photo ID is valid for five years...which if I'm doing my math correctly...let's see...carry the two... is exactly $2 per year. Those racist Republicans. Cheers!

JimRussell44 3 months, 1 week ago

I see nobody wants to face the fact that IDs are easy to come by. Does anyone here dispute that illegal residents of this country have all sorts of ID they can obtain for the right price? Does anyone here dispute that an underage person can obtain an ID to purchase booze if they know the right person and slip them some cash? This was the whole point of my comments made earlier in this thread. If everyone needs a photo ID to vote, then we all need to have the same one issued in the same way for everyone. That will cost a lot of money but if you think it will make our elections foolproof, then, by all means, let's spend that money to solve this ongoing crisis. And DaveyNC, yes, the exact same process should be used to insure that every firearm sold in this country is sold to a known individual who has been vetted and found to be cleared to own that specific firearm. Further, that specific firearm should have a tamper proof serial number that can be traced back to the owner.

samosamo 3 months, 1 week ago

Only the Republicans on welfare should be requred the have photo ID.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

This was hashed out extensively in these pages in the past year. Look them up. There are lots of references and you could learn the facts.

Federal law prohibits states from literacy tests and poll taxes. Having to pay for ID is regarded under the law as a poll tax. Hundreds of thousands of North Carolinians have never had photo IDs. They don't need them. Republicans want to make these people travel to some part of the county and have their picture taken for no better reason than to hassle them. That's not good enough.

I keep hearing Republicans nattering about 'cost-benefit analysis.' They pretend that when we spend money, there should be a useful reason for it. Then they come up with a wasteful boondoggle like photo ID, which has no basis in fact, and expect us not to notice. Before we spend $25 million or more in the first year, we should be given a sound reason. We're still waiting.

Most of the states that tried to put photo ID into place for the 2012 elections were stopped by the courts. That was no coincidence. They were breaking the laws in their attempts to disenfranchise the black and poor. They should think twice before continuing.

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

Here's an independent study. Read it:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49106004/The-Costs-of-Voter-ID-Laws

Toda 3 months, 1 week ago

If I recall, many years ago voters were asked for a picture Id - I think this was in advance of signature cards and computer system search engines for board of elections.

This move to impose new regulations on voters was initiated by Republicans. I wonder what their subliminal reasoning was at the time? Purchasing a gun should require any and all information available to the retailer prior to purchase. If one is a registered voter, prior to voting they have to sign their name ~ which, if questioned, can be checked and compared against their original signature.

Statistical data has shown over and over again that voter fraud is practically non-existent.

In the overall scheme of identity fraud, drivers licences and state issued id's are easier to come by than voting fraudulently.

Toda 3 months, 1 week ago

JimHeim => the state will lose revenue when issuing ID's through the DMV. The time it takes for one seeking an ID for staff, supplies, and of course computer programming logic to allow for huge numbers of people seeking ID's will change the flow of information and accessing data bases.

State DMV employees have to key information into data bases, machine use for producing images and cards will impact revenues more than $10.00.

With the current posture of our General Assembly, one might anticipate an increase in drivers licence fees and ID fees to compensate for the loss of revenue. JMHO

JimHeim 3 months, 1 week ago

By the way, you don't need photo ID or any other kind to stop your mail while out of town. Just fill out a form on the Web or send in a Postal System card and your mail will beheld for the period you specify.

Problem solved.

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