Republicans Have Lost the Culture War
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The Culture War is over. The Republicans lost. Hey, don't take my word for it. I found out when I read about an interview given last week by one Dave Kochel, a former adviser to the campaign of a guy named Mitt Romney. (Remember Mitt Romney? I hear he ran for President once.)
Kochel gave an interview on a TV station in his home state of Iowa, in which he mentioned, as many others have, the "demographic shift" in the country and how younger voters want to move away from "the arguments we've been having" on the culture wars, which "the Republicans largely lost."
He described a growing number of Republicans, including former RNC Chairman and George W. Bush adviser Ken Mehlman, who are openly advocating marriage equality for gays and lesbians. Kochel also mentioned that for his children's generation, issues such as abortion and birth control are "largely settled," and not in a way that would make Rick Santorum happy.
He wound up by observing that he hears "a lot of conversation off the record, people talking about how they'd like to move on past some of these old fights we've been having, and can't talk about it."
It should be remembered that Kochel, according to his company's website, is the guy who advised Lord Mitt, the Earl of Romney, in "Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, and nationally" - all arenas in which His Lordship lost.
But don't take just his word for it either. The Boy Scouts of America abruptly announced that they're reconsidering their ban on gay members and leaders; the Defense Department finally lifted the ban on women in combat; and right wing poster girl and Culture Warrior Queen Sarah Palin got ignominiously dropped by Faux News.
Oh, and Jim Nabors, Mayberry's very own Gomer Pyle, married his male partner after 38 years.
On other fronts as well, the storm troops of the far right have begun to abandon the redoubts they once vowed to defend.
Republican and Democratic leaders got together on an immigration reform proposal that included a "path to citizenship" for the undocumented, something that was once as unthinkable to a right wing Culture Warrior as surrender would have been to a World War II-era Japanese soldier.
The House, as noted last week, passed a bill raising the debt ceiling without the spending cuts the Teahadists once claimed were the hill they'd chosen to die on (and take the U.S. economy with them) rather than surrender. Across this great land of ours, there are signs that we may be seeing The Twilight of the Wingnuts.
Now, I don't expect the most fanatical Culture Warriors to throw down their arms and greet the victors with flowers. It would take a complete chump to believe a war would end like that. I expect that there'll be some diehards and dead-enders who'll take to the hills in a sort of insurgency.
They'll probably engage in a few acts of political hostage-taking and terrorism by threatening to blow things up if they don't get their way. Metaphorically speaking, of course. At least I hope so.
And I know that for the next few years, we'll be finding islands with holdouts who refuse to admit that the war is over. In fact, I suspect we may be living on one such island right now here in North Carolina.
But demographics are inexorable. In 1992, Pat Buchanan rose from the ashes of his own defeated presidential campaign and declared the Culture War - in a speech, it should be noted, that helped move me from a moderate seriously considering voting for Bush the Elder into a confirmed Clinton liberal. But Buchanan is 74 now and finding it harder to find a network who'll let him on.
His sister Bay, also once an ubiquitous right wing pundit, has reportedly given up the fight and gotten her real estate license.
Most of the formerly reliable foot soldiers of the Culture War are getting pretty long in the tooth. South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who's only crazy about 85 percent of the time, called it while in a lucid interval: "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business over the long term."
So the signs give me hope that the Teahadists of the Rabid Right will continue their long decline, their Wingnutdammerung, if you will, and the Republican Party can free itself from their tyranny. Then maybe we can start having some rational debates over issues in this country.
There won't be as much material for mockery, but it's a small price to pay.
Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage. Contact him at dustyr@nc.rr.com.
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kzowens 3 months, 2 weeks ago
What'ya mean the cultural war is over? You didn't hear that on Fox News.
Judging from many of the comments to the Columns and Letters to the Editor, some ain't accepting that the Civil War is over yet. And a lot of 'em are right here in North Carolina--but they are dying out.
Great perspective as usual, Dusty.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Thanks, kzowens.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
More on the Twilight of the Wingnuts:
COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa — The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate..“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”
The effort would put a new twist on the Republican-vs.-Republican warfare that has consumed the party’s primary races in recent years. In effect, the establishment is taking steps to fight back against Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations that have wielded significant influence in backing candidates who ultimately lost seats to Democrats in the general election...
Representative Steve King, a six-term Iowa Republican, could be among the earliest targets of the Conservative Victory Project. He said he had not decided whether he would run for the Senate, but the leaders of the project in Washington are not waiting to try to steer him away from the race.
The group’s plans, which were outlined for the first time last week in an interview with Mr. Law, call for hard-edge campaign tactics, including television advertising, against candidates whom party leaders see as unelectable and a drag on the efforts to win the Senate. Mr. Law cited Iowa as an example and said Republicans could no longer be squeamish about intervening in primary fights.
“We’re concerned about Steve King’s Todd Akin problem,” Mr. Law said. “This is an example of candidate discipline and how it would play in a general election. All of the things he’s said are going to be hung around his neck.”
Mr. King has compiled a record of incendiary statements during his time in Congress, including comparing illegal immigrants to dogs and likening Capitol Hill maintenance workers to “Stasi troops” after they were ordered to install environmentally friendly light bulbs. But he rejected the suggestion that his voting record or previous remarks would keep him from winning if he decided to run for the Senate."
nothingspecial 3 months, 2 weeks ago
I liked your column, Dusty. I think you may be right that many are being talked into going over to the other side on some aspects of the culture war. I may be wrong but I believe that war refers to the brick wall liberals feel they have run into, arguing with christian and muslim conservatives that they should relax their standards related to abortion and the cultural celebration and support for the homosexual lifestyle, to name the most obvious examples of impasse. Those two are never going to be agreed upon by the two sides because they run into our christian values that cannot be compromised, and which we have every right to support as vehemently as those who support opposing causes do. The government might eventually allow civil unions for anyone and many forms of birth control are accepted by christians and non-christians alike, but you have a long "war" ahead of you if you hope to convince folks to change their christian or muslim values. I would caution you about declaring victory and ask instead that you remember your party's (and our party's) supposedly agreed upon claims about allowing free exercise of all of our rights.
The_AnonymusProfit 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Things we could do right now if the right and left would stop with all yhe fringe stuff.
End world hunger(we could do this literally right this minute)
End african famine such as malaria.
Almost end aids(this would require the catholic church joining the 21stright century)
End homelessness
Adding to this we have the ability to clothe, educate, immunize, shelter, and generally care for every single person on this planet.
kzowens 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Nothing Special: "I may be wrong but I believe that war refers to the brick wall liberals feel they have run into, arguing with christian and muslim conservatives that they should relax their standards related to abortion and the cultural celebration and support for the homosexual lifestyle."
You are wrong, and I don’t think you have any idea of what the culture war refers to. No moderates on either side or “liberals” (as you perceive them) have asked anyone to relax their standards. All that is hoped for is for you to understand that others should not be required to adhere to your standards. In case you didn’t know it, the “war” against abortion is over.
JimHeim 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually, the congress didn't raise the debt ceiling; they eliminated it completely for ninety days. Mr Obama is now free to sell all of the bonds he wants without regard to the effect on the national debt. Those Republicans are some sharp operators. They've got him right where he needs to be.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
I liked your column, Dusty.
Thank you, ns. As kzowens pointed out, no one's asking you to give up your religion. Just don't ask everyone to follow it. You think gay sex is a sin, don't have it. You think abortion is murder, don't have one. That's what pro-choice means.
And if you say "well, abortion IS murder" because your religion says it is, then you miss the point.
nothingspecial 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Kzowens, I think what you mean by your "all that is hoped for" comment is exactly what I said. Watch that you don't go labeling those who don't agree with you as boogie men.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
But I like boogie men!
kc & the Sunshine Band - I'm Your Boogie Man (Atual Ao vivo) by albeju
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Or, if you like your boogie men a little scarier:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmdat_white-zombie-i-m-your-boogie-man_music#.UQ8J36XoRNM
njc17 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Well I don't like the column, I don't like Dusty's exclusive attitude and I don't like the pigeonholing the conservative as the "wingnut' crowd. It's as if the Pilot is trying, deliberately , to drive the conservative away from their newspaper with bull offal like this. The conservative looks to salvage what honor and value is left. Salvage the Christian ethos which is slowly being drained from the history of what made this nation great in the first place.
nothingspecial 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Exactly, wdd. Where are the victors?
JD 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Where are the victors?
Jim Nabors, Mayberry's very own Gomer Pyle, married his male partner after 38 years.
There's two 'victors' among others.
Courseaire 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Dusty - I've just figured out that you've become the "Rush" of the left. Just as "Rush" loves to hear himself talk the same drivel over & over, you love to write the same.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Well I don't like the column, I don't like Dusty's exclusive attitude and I don't like the pigeonholing the conservative as the "wingnut' crowd. It's as if the Pilot is trying, deliberately , to drive the conservative away from their newspaper with bull offal like this.
And yet, you and the other wingnuts keep reading. Maybe you just like being angry.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Courseaire: Yeah, I'm just like Rush, but without the prescription drug addiction.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 2 weeks ago
I predicted there'd be some diehards and dead-enders. And lo! Even as I have said it, it has come to pass.
Courseaire 3 months, 1 week ago
As proof to my statement above, not counting this comment, of the 21 comments above, 8 are Dusty's.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
And 6 of those are responses to other people, and two of them are "thank you"s. So what's your point again? That you know how to count? Fine, here's a cookie.
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
njc & wdd: Actually Dusty doesn’t pigeonhole all conservatives as “wingnuts.” He pigeonholes the Tea Party and the extreme Right Wing as “wingnuts” because they are “wingnuts.”
Dusty simply points out how socially embarrassing “wingnuts” like Rush Limbaugh and his followers are—especially Rush’s sole mate, Robert Levy.
If you want to read only what your soul mates have to say, there are columns in every issue of The Pilot that do that.
You really need to understand that there are views other than your own. Don’t be offended that The Pilot is fair enough to print them.
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
Nothing to be proud of...
Seriously???? No one "wins" when our country is becoming more and more immoral and depraved.
No thank you. No thank you very much.
Personal liberties should be kept personal not controlled by goverment.
Our "culture" is headed for the sh*tter...
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
No Dusty, but you keep proving my point, you, David Woronof and the liberal leaders of the Pilot truly want the conservative voice shut down here, you want the good folks of Moore county to lockstep with your brand of progressive liberalism, to join in the moral decay and corruptive politics of the socialist movement. As the Culture has moved to an antiChristian/Judeo stance I would HOPE the Republicans not even be in that war. The Gay agenda, The entitlement society, the blanket disregard of the Constitution, throwing Israel underthe bus for the Moslim pacifence. That being said, sadly the Republicans seem to feel the need to wallow in the mud with the LP's.
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
Dang njc17-that was brilliant!!! Tell them the TRUTH. They're only interested in what feels good and what lets them wield more power.
dentman65 3 months, 1 week ago
Dusty I know you are out there waiting to pounce on me......you may be right about the war....and the Republicans losing it. But I don't think it is a war that anyone can be proud of yet alone brag about. The ultimate loser of this"war" is our children. Aren't our children's future what most of this is all about? The moral and legal changes we make today you and I will only love or hate for what time we have left on this earth. It is our children who will reap the benefits or carry the burdens of what we do today. I have great respect for your education and ability to stir a pot. You get me red-faced quite a bit. But you do make me stop and take time to think about where I stand on many things. And that may be your whole purpose. But as educated people we know that a man with-out a backbone cannot stand erect, A man without convictions and beliefs is simply a man "without." So I think it is safe to say that we can at least agree a man like you or myself that is willing to make a stand and argue thier point is at least worth admiring, even if we don't see eye to eye. Regardless of politics or religion, you have stated that if you don't like it, don't do it. Fine by me. We are all blessed with free-will. We don't need religion or a constitution to tell us that. The only opinion that counts is our own. It doesn't sound like you will change your way of living based on what anyone says but yourself,and that is the way it should be. Since I won't judge you on your choices, and you won't judge me on mine, then I think this county is big enough for both of us to live in. Make it a great day!
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
Well said dentman65. I would rather lose with principles than "win" without any.
Many people are just lost and they don't know it yet they will argue that they're "enlightened". Enlightened and apathetic are two different things. We all have free will and can choose to live how we want to live ...for now. Our opinions are our own and cannot be correct or incorrect. Although we didn't necessarily cause the downward spiral, our country is circling the drain...I'm not okay with that but all I can do is stand by my principles...just like everyone else.
nothingspecial 3 months, 1 week ago
Jim Heim found a victor!!!
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Now we live in a society that will force your company, if you are the owner, to insure the gay partners of your worker if he or she is gay. Doesn't matter if your still old fashioned and believe in morality. And you might not even be able to operate your business unless you proclaim your acceptance of gay marriage-this was something Rahm Emmanuel proposed during the recent Chic Fil A ruckus; sidebar all the queers screamed at chic fil a workers in the drive thru but tens of thousands straights marched for chi fil a -score a victory for traditional values; . people this is satanic and there are bigger forces at play here... Speaking of immigration, if we are going to give a pass to those that cant figure out when their tourist visa's expire, thats a bunch of junk and no cultural victory....and of course DR is for every whacked out cause thats his business...but the culture wars are about to begin..and DR can take his gay ilk elesewhere
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
furthermore....the Obama and his gang are pushing stimulus so far off the board they are now creating or printing money at the rate of 20 to every one dollar growth in real GDP-this is per Bill Gross at Pimco who runs a book of 295 billion in bonds; freaks like Paul Krugman assert this is a ok-so part of DRs culturewar gasm is endless printing of money along with all the other free love crap he espouses-and just wait til the EPA pushes its peace and love agenda on your local oil refiniery-when gas is 7 a gallon you can thank DR
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Hey DR how many queer couples are clamoring to get married in Moore Co? I dont see any lines... maybe Orange Co and Buncombe but not here or much else anywhere-gays dont rule us pal; and WTF why are all these gay women running things and being appointed to big government roles? Why are gay agendas being pushed at every embassy? Is that what we Republicans should give in to? Either Hilary of O is gay or they wouldn't be pushing these agendas so what gives? Why don't they come out??? Come out come out which one of you is closeted?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/
No one is denyingthese stories
And the DNC convention casting away any mention of God, with O intervening at the last minute...geez and you stand with the Democrats??
Should we throw away the bible now?
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
teufelhunden: Yes, “Personal liberties should be kept personal--[and] not controlled by government.” So, you obviously agree that it is not just the ones that Paul Ryan and the Tea Party want to allow.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
but now the lefties are the new moralists they are dictating what we the people should all believe and live-and we are being deep throated with their schlock...I mean I cant believe I heard Rahm Emmanual assert businesses should be closed down if they dont allow 'emos' to marry...I mean will we be arrested if we call someone a fag? Arrest Ann Coulter?
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
TheTeahadists of the Rabid Right ain't going down without revealing their true character. Be sure to watch Fox News for updates.
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
KZ?? what are you talking about? The personal liberties as published under the Constitution. The Tea party looks to the Rights granted BY THE CONSTITUTION> Allow Gays to marry? nothing in the Constitution about that, that is a moralistic isue. A person should NOT be forced to PAY for another's immoral lifestyle or lifestyle choices. A person should not be forced to pay for abortions, for the healthcare of others who do not contribute to the their own healthcare. I keep saying this over and over but in the end it is always ignored, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! NOT reliance on others or government largess.
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
That's it, njc17. That's the issue.
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
Funny how people refer to it as a "war". The government is accomplishing its goal of dividing the people in an us versus them mentality. This vision is not good and not sustainable. They too will succumb to their foolishness.
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
Do you think that Paul Ryan, Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock should be able to define what "rape" is and how victims should react to such an act of violence?
My point is that the Teahadists of the Rabid Right should not even try to make the citizens of the United States conform to their narrow-minded views of our society.
You are free to hold whatever view that guides you, but, please, the majority of Americans are tired of hearing the hate-filled personal opinions about how we ought to live.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
and thats how those onthe right feel like we are being dictated to and then attaching that standard to every facet of life--I mean WTF??? I mean why does abortion loom so large in the minds of leftists? freedom? freedom to have sex and charge us all for birth control?? And Sibelius calling pregnancy a preventable de facto disease, and that by eliminating births they will reduce the cost of healthcare--who are these idiots..really???
JD 3 months, 1 week ago
Our "culture" is headed for the shtter...*
Well put since you leading the charge to the bottom of said waste repository.
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
kzowens You are yours are in the Majority?? I don't think so. You may have won the election but you are in no wise a majority.
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
The only mentions of 'abortion' in this thread are in comments by (or comments in response to) nothing special, wdd, and njc. Why do you guys bring it up? Even Rush Limbaugh admits that that issue is dead.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
You may have won the election but you are in no wise a majority.
Heh.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
I would rather lose with principles than "win" without any.
That's what losers often say.
Why do you guys bring it up? Even Rush Limbaugh admits that that issue is dead.
Die hards and dead enders. They're on the island, still fighting the lost war.
JimRussell44 3 months, 1 week ago
Since Spock is a fictional character, he would also have a fictional brain. Of course, we already knew that, didn't we.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
TheTeahadists of the Rabid Right ain't going down without revealing their true character.
And, as exemplified by Spock's Brain, that character is deeply crazy and in his case clearly warped by frantic denial of his unresolved homosexual feelings. Anyone that obsessed with gays has some serious issues to work through.
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
njc: "You may have won the election."
Wasn't that the election that theTeahadists of the Rabid Right assumed they were going to win and have been miserable about ever since because it was a demoralizing surprise that the majority of Americans were not on your side?
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
The real loser in all of this is, sadly, the American people. Many have yet to realize it but they will...
Our country has been preaching diversity instead of unity, victimhood instead of personal responsibility, etc.
Our "culture' is more divided and corrupt than ever. Way to go!!!
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Wasn't that the election that theTeahadists of the Rabid Right assumed they were going to win and have been miserable about ever since because it was a demoralizing surprise that the majority of Americans were not on your side?
That would be the one, yes.
by dustyrhoades
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
The real loser in all of this is, sadly, the American people.
Only if you define "the American people" as people who think exactly like you do.
But that's not what it means.
What did history sound like when it passed you by?
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
“I’m polymerized tree sap and you’re an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns on its original trajectory and adheres to you.”
-Sheldon Cooper, PhD
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
teufelhunden: Actually, the real winner in all this is America. The country is florishing. I hate to think of what would have happened if Romney/Paul were 'taking care of their own special interests.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
-Sheldon Cooper, PhD
by dustyrhoades
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
I too am kinda relieved that the Romney/Ryan ticket didn't succeed. I am talking about culture.
Take your blinders off and look around. Really listen. And not just to what is being tailored for your delicate ears.
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
haha DR pretty good, pretty good.
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Oh great, another war under Obama's watch.
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
Again the insults, Dusty? can you not have ONE solid commentary? reminds me of the schoolyard bully picks on everybody because in his heart he is a coward, but when someone shows him for what he is, he cries all the way to the teacher. You bully all the folks here in one way or the other and do not have one honest reposte as a rejoiner. Obama has won, but the republican ticket is fairly strong in congress but alas the republican ticket is also pragmatic and floating on a sea of jello. Dusty I believe as I keep saying, in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! but then again that is a lost trait within the American psyche or so it seems.
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
Poor njc. All he is trying to do is “salvage what honor and value is left,” and people continue to point how screwed up his outlook on life is. If we have any ‘personal responsibility, we would leave him alone and not pick on him.”
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Hey DR you mentioned gay marriage in your little article so its fair game-since 1 out of every 183 couples are so called gay couples in the US why even mention it
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Yea we lost the culture war thats why so many of US marched at Chic Fil A (in support of) -bet you weren't there
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Wow. You ate a chicken sandwich. Brave stand there, closet case.
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
again no true reposte? and KZ, do revisit the heartland of America and see the strength of values and morality. It is you who live in the dream world.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
You mean like Iowa?
Same-sex marriage in Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
njc17 3 months, 1 week ago
Thank you Dusty; but the Iowa situation was a State Supreme Court decision and I doubt reflects the state or the rural part of it. One problem is a court system run amok and I don't apologize for thet statemen.t The Bible Belt, and it is quite large, has a different set of values from the urban liberal, which is where the problem lies.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
njc17 is apparently one of those right wingers who purports to love his country while loathing and despising over half the people in it. Sarah Palin tried that "Real America" message too, and look where it got her.
JimRussell44 3 months, 1 week ago
Maybe njc17 is trying to get a gig on Fox News?
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
DR yea your the gay lover.....gay this gay that....
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Are endless unemployment benefits part of the culture war? Oops in a liberal state , NC, the Republicans wiped out anyone like DR, gone! No more endless unemployment benefits-no more socialism, no more governors suggesting the suspension of elections...boy you better move to a gay state
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Abortion is murder, why else would Scot Peterson be convicted of not only killing Laci but their unborn son too?? Freak
Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Themis 3 months, 1 week ago
“All mankind is divided into three classes: those that are immovable, those that are movable, and those that move.” – Benjamin Franklin
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
The right wing crack-up continues, as Teabagger hero Ron Paul disrespects the Navy SEAL who was shot on the gun range....
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
And another blow to the Teahadists:
John Kasich, the fiercely conservative governor of Ohio, announced Monday that he’s going to expand Medicaid dramatically using federal money — a 180-degree turn from what conservative groups swore their allies in governors’ mansions would do when the Supreme Court gave them an out last year.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/john-kasich-obamacares-biggest-red-state-catch-87143.html#ixzz2K1rf6QfK
moonchild7 3 months, 1 week ago
Thanks Dusty for a great "Look-Back" at the past few years of Teabagged History. Good Riddance to say the least and it is definately Good Riddance as Rep. Eric Cantor has announced this morning the "ReBranding" of the Republican Party. Seems they are gonna care about "regular people" now. Oh my. REALLY? What another smoke screen from them and just more LIES. Just like spocks_brain saying: "Doesn't matter if your still old fashioned and believe in morality." I guess the fact that people who get sick but are gay don't deserve HELP simply because they are gay, spocks_brain? Because you have OLDFASHIONED BELIEFS? That's what OLDFASHIONED means, you know? Not helping or caring about "Different people." Republicans you are running out of OLD WHITE PEOPLE. Take Note.
Courseaire 3 months, 1 week ago
Moon confirms that America is on the road to immorality & decay because we are running out of OLD WHITE PEOPLE. Welcome back Moon, been up in NYC & how's the kid?
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Hey Moonchild Its not my f_ responsibility to pay for your insurance if you cant pay for it, this aint the old USSR,,,as far as immigration goes, Obamas immigration proposal would have spared the 9 11 hijackers..you dumb idiots keep on keepin on and no one will recognize this country pretty soon
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/4/ice-ex-chief-nondeport-rules-wouldve-spared-911-hi/
you Dems have lost your minds.ss...you cant deport an illegal now til he has 3 misdeameanors..wtf is up with that?? Do we want anarchty??? i mean dealing with Gays and all their perversions are bad enough but now this??
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
DR wont answer the following assertion that 1 out of 183 so called couples in the US are gay couples so why does this issue even come up-of course unless you yourself are in line at the courthouse...how many people are in line at Moore County??
Courseaire 3 months, 1 week ago
Spocks_Brain - Though you have a right to your opinion, as a representative of the right (even considered a Teahadist), I find your opinions, anger & representations insulting. You give the right conservative thinking people a bad name and we don't need you trying to pass yourself off as one. I find the Dems/Left a lot more tolerable then you. I think maybe you've passed thry a few too many wormholes.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Courseaire-yes I am angry-beyond that I speak fact and you know it...NC has exemplified the Tea Party pretty much 100 per cent in its politics as of late; I refuse to be denied functionality in society if I don't cowtow to the gay agenda, whether its supporting my support for gay marriage, or whether I buy supplies from gay owned companies; it has nothing to do whether I like gays or respect them and that is not the issue; furthermore I refuse to give an quarter to ANY illegal immigrant..just because they happen to be here.... the testimony being given by ICE today should chill anyone to its bones...that no illegal can be deported until they commit 3 misdeameanors...other than my anger I dare you dispute my rationale...but when DRs whole predicates his whole article on acceptance of gay marriage I just think thats nuts! Like Tucker Carlson said on Fox, whey are all these gay issues so prominent in our debate??? I think you mistake my frustration with hate-that's wrong on your part....; by the way when 2 guys marry who is the husband??? Do you want the schools to teach the gay lifestyle is normal? Its ok to have 2 daddys??? Thats the next big big issue...and we going to get harangued and harangued again by DR et al that we just have to accept it
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Spock- do you believe in individual liberty?
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
I absolutely believe in it....if your going to say Im against gay marriage so how can I possibly be for individual liberty-look people kill over these types of issues...they are much more primal than people give them credit for; Look we have an un outed president pushing an agenda-why?? on the gay issue look at the stands being taken in Germany France Poland and Russia and Italy...
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
packwilleat-do you condone having 2 daddys??? been in church in the last 20 years??
Courseaire 3 months, 1 week ago
Spocks_Brain: Hey baby, whose your daddy?
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
I dont care what anyone does as long as they dont agress towards me or force their beliefs(religious/political) on me. I'm an Atheist, becuse i was raised Catholic. I've come to realize that a belief in a god has not made man good, nor voting made him wise.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
well my friend you live ina world where every whacked out idea is being imposed on you...
if you own a company you will soon be required to state and post how many gay suppliers you have..dont believe me??? Would be glad to prove it to you
You may see yourself as an atheist but if you were sitting in an airliner plunging to the ground youd be praying to something
Christianity uses marriage as an allegory to explain the relationship of God to the Church. The Church is the bride (female)
Freedom from God is freedom to live as you wish, and that includes unnaturally
JD 3 months, 1 week ago
This is the thread that keeps on giving.
Spocks_Brain tumor displays once again he has a bad case of Brain Slugs.
And thanks for the help Courseaire , it's usually just me making fun of the radical right and tea baggers. Conservativism is going through growing pains and these sorts of people need to leave the party or be expunged so we may be taken seriously again.
It's like after a twister. Do they interview the articulate neighbors in the house down the street? No the news finds the redneck that lost their trailer for the third time and in a moo moo with 5 kids running around bare foot. Spock is the redneck in a moo moo. A horrible representation of many people trying to pick up and move on in their lives.
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Spock- yeah, I live in a crazy world where I dont enforce my views on others, and would like them to return the favor. But dont worry Spock, no one is going to beam you up the porthole.
Themis 3 months, 1 week ago
“How can one be well...when one suffers morally?” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
We had a flirtation in the cultural wars in the late 60s, Haight Asbury..drop out, man, peace man, get high man...I feel lots of people think we are on the cusp of a new paradigm, live and let live, Obama man, let the prisoners free (Van Jones), profit is bad man, ..this to will pass....still can get an answer when 2 males marry who is the wife??
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
packwilleat-you seem to be confusing being ordered to buy health insurance, giving amnesty to illegal aliens, elevating gay status and forced compliance (approval thereof) with freedom-Im confused-are you blind??? deaf? dumb?
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Spock- I believe you are the one confused, because you fail to see how you are no different then those on the left when it comes to individual liberty. I know you will not understand that, but maybe some day you will.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
there is a middle road for sure...but pushing immorality is crazy esp by a politician whether its abortion, which is murder of sorts, or gay indoctrination
teufelhunden 3 months, 1 week ago
Wait, isn't that what the left is always accusing the right of doing? Hmmmm
moonchild7 3 months, 1 week ago
Okay packwilleat..please explain your definition of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, then. Not sure anyone on the RIGHT gets it either. And IMMORALITY spock? Define that also. This is usually where the TRAINS leave the stations and then go completely OFF TRACK. In other words, utter confusion and idiocy when you guys try to EXPLAIN these things. Thanks Courseaire, I had a great time in NYC and Southern CT with family and friends. The "kid" is doing great but he says after 5 yrs in the same "job" he's looking for something new. Gee, us oldies liked to pretty much stay where we were for long periods of time but I guess he's part of that instant gratification bunch. It was GO,GO,GO the entire time I was there and then it was time to return to home here. I might have more to say later but some of what I heard in CT was very, very, very, disturbing and had to do with the "Conspiracy" of Sandy Hook. I don't like conspiracies per se but am not one to totally dismiss such "nonsense" either. I just need lots and lots of proof. I can't say what my nephew told me because it's so bad I just don't want to believe it at all. He did say that there is no truth to the 'Conspiracy Therory" that some say the children and teachers were not killed. My nephew has friends with children who attended the school and they all say that is definately false. These children and teachers were mercilessly murdered. I want to see and hear what the State police in CT have to say about it and will have to leave it at that. NYC and CT are very busy places, building building, building and in my sisters neighborhood they continue to do teardowns. Tearing down the old and small cape cods and building huge million dollar mansions. She's slowly getting engulfed but she's also still working full time at age 69 and doing well otherwise. Gotta stay busy.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Rep. Eric Cantor has announced this morning the "ReBranding" of the Republican Party.
What, again?
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Spocks_Brain - Though you have a right to your opinion, as a representative of the right (even considered a Teahadist), I find your opinions, anger & representations insulting. You give the right conservative thinking people a bad name and we don't need you trying to pass yourself off as one.
Nice to see this happening. Keep up the good work.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Meanwhile, another far right winger knuckles under to Obamacare:
Republican Governor Jan Brewer is expanding Medicaid in Arizona under Obamacare for some very practical reasons (excerpt below from the Yuma Sun): “In the end, Brewer felt she could not turn away nearly $8 [b]illion in federal assistance over the next four years, creating and saving thousands of jobs and protecting rural and “safety-net” hospitals, she said.
Just like packwilleat: I HATE THE GOVERNMENT! BUT GIVE ME GOVERNMENT MONEY!
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Moon - not to be short but I have already defined "individual liberty" a few post back.
Dusty- find me a job locally for $60k a year and I'll walk out the door this afternoon and never look back.
Courseaire 3 months, 1 week ago
Paack - I'm sure Obama's got one here for you, he's created so many new ones.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Not up to me to make you be true to your alleged "principles," Pack. You define government--all government-- as the problem. You work for the government. You are, therefore, by your own definition, part of the problem. QED.
Maybe you should either reconsider your position on government or quit working for it. I'm suggesting the first one.
packwilleat 3 months, 1 week ago
Dusty- we work a bit differently in my department. More common sense, less bs. The open coming in '14 has us running around with our heads cut off. Just trying to get everything looking the best we can for the community. Heck it's almost like being back maintaining golf courses. Everyone is better at your job than yourself. And i don't have to hear some dumbass tell me it's poanna.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
we work a bit differently in my department.
So you're not paid with taxpayer dollars?
Gotta love it..."all government sucks except my department".
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
DR hey cant say illegal immigrant anymore, lmao! Yea all these new residents gonna add 2 trillion for Obamcare? You gonna pay for that pal???
'Last March the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee estimated that Obamacare would increase unfunded obligations — or federal spending without a dedicated funding source — for federal health care programs by $17 trillion over 75 years, or from $65 trillion to $82 trillion.
Adding currently illegal immigrants, via a pathway to citizenship or other means, to Obamacare would further increase those unfunded obligations by another $2 trillion, based on their calculations.'
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Thanks pal
kzowens 3 months, 1 week ago
So, indeed "Republicans Have Lost the Culture War." And this thread proves it.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Not to mention their minds.
dustyrhoades 3 months, 1 week ago
Another one falls:
Conservative former Clinton adviser Dick Morris will no longer serve as a contributor to Fox News, the network confirmed Tuesday. “His contract is up and we will not be renewing it,” a spokesman said. Morris had not appeared on the network for three months, but announced via Twitter on Tuesday that he will make an appearance on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
If by losing the culture war you mean
gay marriage amnesty for all illegals legalization of pot abortion pills
I'm glad I'm on the losing team!
If Obama wasn't black none of this would be happening
moonchild7 3 months, 1 week ago
You are really another one of those "Tea Pot Sicko's" aren't you spock? Of course you are. And so far anyway, there isn't one republican in the state of Massachusettes who wants to run for the Senate. It's getting better all the time spock so why don't you just stop all the hate and embrace some LOVE.
Spocks_Brain 3 months, 1 week ago
Hey I'm all for love hetero love for sure....interested???