A Double Standard on Religion?
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In 1987, a vision of Jesus immersed in urine created by artist Andre Serrano became the proud winner of the Visual Arts Competition sponsored by the federal government at the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art.
The National Endowment for the Arts even contributed to the $15,000 Serrano was paid for the work.
Government liberals have no problem placing Jesus in wastewater, rewarding the condemnation of Christianity with a prize. But what happens if Mohammed is depicted as something less than holy? As did diplomats in Egypt, the federal government “condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.”
It was interesting that the National Endowment for the Arts never apologized by “condemning the continuing efforts of misguided artists to hurt the religious feelings of Christians.” In fact, the arts community and the National Endowment questioned the commitment of senators like Jesse Helms to the guarantees of First Amendment freedom when they called these bureaucrats to account for their intolerant behavior.
Yet Jesse never called for the burning of the Museum of Modern Art. In fact, the National Endowment for the Arts remains alive to this day.
On the other hand, on Sept. 11, 2012, terrorists found an obscure anti-Muslim movie that almost no one had seen. It was produced by a fringe looney somewhere in the United States and used as an excuse to murder Americans on the anniversary of our “awakening.” Of course, the first response of the federal government was to apologize to the Muslims and “bring in” the filmmaker for “voluntary” interrogation.
The first words of the First Amendment to our Constitution state, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” A government which awarded prizes for placing the Christian God on Earth into human waste but now apologizes for private citizens who insult the Muslim prophet clearly is “establishing (the) religion” it prefers.
On Sept. 30, 2011, in the Egyptian town of Marinab, Muslims burned a Christian church and rampaged through a Christian village. In March 2012, in the village of Sool, Muslims burned a church as the local imam urged the crowd to “kill all Christians.” Just last year, in the New York Review of Books, Yasmine El Rashidi wrote an article titled “Egypt: Why Are Churches Burning?” The government was silent.
I am not a Christian. But just as a Christian nation defeated my Holocaust in 1945, I will not tolerate a government that clings to the values of Chamberlain as it mocks the resolve of Churchill and ignores the oppression that is always the price of “Peace in Our Time.”
An administration dedicated to religious tolerance would have called the Egyptian government onto our billion-dollar foreign-aid “carpet” regarding the persecution of Christians by Muslims. But this is a government dedicated to appeasement and apology, as are its supporters.
What would the pro-Obama Hollywood elite have done if another president had dragged a filmmaker out in the middle of the night just after a film on the evil of racism had sparked a riot in South Boston? Would the ACLU come to the aid of this filmmaker in the same way it defended the right of Nazis to march among the Holocaust survivors of Skokie, Ill.?
An American government that rewards the desecration of Christianity with prizes, but reflexively atones for the “hurt feelings” of Muslims a quarter-century later, acts no differently than would the most despotic regimes around the world.
And a government that drags its feet as Iranians seek the “Final Solution” for Jewish people in the construction of a nuclear weapon has appeased, if not surrendered to, the jihadi cause.
Recent disturbances around the world must convince us that it is later than we think. It must also convince us that our vote is more important than we think. The upcoming election may not be only about our anemic economy.
It may also be a decision on whether we will accept a pan-Arab world order which excuses the oppression of Christians as it fires nuclear-tipped Iranian missiles at Israelis. It will be a decision on whether or not to surrender our support of free speech to the Muslim Brotherhood, not just in Egypt or Libya, but in America as well.
Robert M. Levy is chairman of the Moore County Republican Party. Contact him at Law52@prodigy.net.
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Courseaire 8 months ago
One reason and one reason only in answer to your question - Christians forgive.
JD 8 months ago
Case in point
You got served by JD
Yooooo those moves are righteous!
Courseaire 8 months ago
Get'n down w/Jesus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzVbHmcSvm0
JD 8 months ago
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Great article bob. The double standard in this country is disgusting. Yet we must remember the teachings of jesus and remember that the oerson who was sent to save us had to endure divine wrath in the form of jewish pharasiees and roman soilders. Our current government is hastening the drum beat of a religious war that will make ww2 look like a skirmish.
JD 8 months ago
STORY TIME:
Jesus preached a message of acceptance, tolerance and submission in a time when jews were a client kingdom to the Roman empire and essentially his message threatened to destroy the role of the clergy in judaism and make the jews accept their lot as part of the Roman empire.
The clergy wanted to continue having control over the jews while supposedly waiting for the promised messiah who would liberate Judea from roman occupation. Essentially they just wanted a king who could kick the romans out and continue business as usual.
Jesus said his Kingdom is not of this world. The Jews wanted a physical messiah/military & political leader to get them out from under Rome's boot.
When they saw that this guy was preaching peace, rendering unto Caesar, and pointing out the Jewish elite's hypocrisy, they killed him.
Jesus and his first followers were Jews and devout Jews at that. They up held "the Law" (ie the Torah of the OT), practised the Jewish faith, venerated the Temple in Jerusalem, went to synagogue, kept the Sabbath and the Passover etc.
After Jesus' death his followers continued to practice their Jewish faith, though they were also convinced Jesus had been the Messiah, had (in some sense) "risen from the dead" and was about to return in the apocalyptic "coming of the Kingship of God". They saw Jesus as the fulfilment of "the Law", in the sense that he was the Messiah, but they did not see him as replacing or superseding it. They were simply Jews who saw Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.
As their sect caught on it also attracted people who Jews of the time referred to as "God Fearers". These were non-Jews who found Judaism attractive but who weren't prepared to convert fully (circumcision tends to do that to a man) and practice Jewish dietary laws etc. So they believed in the Jewish God, practised monotheism, studied Jewish scripture and listened to preachers and rabbis, but were not full Jews. Paul, in particular, found willing converts amongst these people and so mounted missions into Greece and Asia Minor preaching Jesus' message to them and other Gentiles, winning many converts.
This caused a major problem for the earlier, more Jewish communities in places like Antioch and Jerusalem, who considered that to become part of their sect you first had to convert to Judaism and practice "the Law". Acts paints a rosy picture of the bitter dispute between Paul and the Jerusalem church over this issue, and depicts a mellow compromise whereby the Gentile Christians were accomodated and where Peter sees a "vision" that exempts them from OT dietary laws. Paul gives a rather angrier version of the same dispute in his letter to the Galatians. It seems an uneasy stalemate was reached, whereby there were Jewish and Gentile communities of the Jesus sect.
JD 8 months ago
What changed the balance was the Jewish Revolt of AD 66-70. This devastating war disrupted the Christian communities in Palestine and virtually destroyed and scattered the dominant community in Jerusalem. With this disruption the more "Jewish" communities of Christians lost influence and began to dwindle (eventually becoming marginalised as the Ebionite "heresy" in later centuries), while the non-Jewish Gentile communities went from strength to strength.
The question within those non-Jewish Christian groups was now around how much of the old Jewish law needed to be retained. Some more radical elements rejected it all. Marcion and his followers in the Second Century even rejected the OT as scripture altogether and regarded Christianity's Jewish roots as a delusion of Satan. Other communities maintained a closer link to Judaism - something particularly reflected in the gospel of Matthew (the one that depicts Jesus was saying not one word or letter of the law would pass away). Various of the other gospels and epistles adopted other stances, but all of them inclined towards Paul's compromise position - Judaism laid the basis for Christianity but some OT laws had been superseded by Jesus.
TLDR: Religion is just socio-political theater
JD 8 months ago
funny by JD
Got someone killed by JD
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Nice story jd. What was your Google search?
fugitiveguy 8 months ago
Of course there is a double standard. I suppose there are still those in denial.
Courseaire 8 months ago
What really turn the Cristian away from the Law of the OT was the McRib. The current downfall of todays Christians was the abolishment of the McRib, though it did try a short failed comeback.
JD 8 months ago
No search TAP just a conversation I was having with others on /pol/. Hope you learned something.
Toyboy52 8 months ago
I am in awe over this discussion. Some of it is sacred and some profane. But, I am in awe of our freedom to speak about what we believe or what we just consider funny. There is truly no other place on earth where this could be drone without fear, not even in many so called free countries of Europe. God has indeed blessed America and blessed us in the process
Bob Levy
JD 8 months ago
Some of it is sacred and some profane.
Where do you see profanity? Are you offended by his one and only prophet being drawn?
clarabelle 8 months ago
" The_AnonymusProfit - Our current government is hastening the drum beat of a religious war that will make ww2 look like a skirmish."
You really ARE on drugs......
what a stupid comment!
RmeMP 8 months ago
@Clara,
You are either ignorant, daft to world politics, or else in denile - if you think a major middle eastern war with Iran is not a powder keg with the potential to lead to WWIII.
Courseaire 8 months ago
I was in denile once - on my way from Cairo to Luxor.
clarabelle 8 months ago
No RmeMP - if you had any brains........(hence an army MP)........ you would understand I am questioning the drum beat our current government is "hastening"
all you conservatives do is criticize this admin without ever giving any facts based opinions..
Maybe YOU can enlighten me as to how obama is "hastening" WWIII?
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Jd, one thing i pride myself on is my knowledge of the christian faith both historical and biblic your short peice is correct in some essance but not all. If u like i will write a short reaponse and see what u think.
@Clarabelle. Im sorry u were neglected as a child. But that is no excuss for your current state of affairs. From now on you will be known as chuck.
JD 8 months ago
one thing i pride myself on is my knowledge of the christian faith both historical and biblic your short peice is correct in some essance but not all. If u like i will write a short reaponse and see what u think.
Well glad your sin of Pride isn't in your grammar. Sure I'll gab with you, but check the tldr part before writing.
for 'belle and Rme keep it up I'm enjoying the WW3 stuff. Another fun session on the Pilot. :)
by JD
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RmeMP 8 months ago
Yip, that's right JD, don't worry about Iran, nothing to see here, just move along - right? Surely nothing will happen if we just continue to turn a blind eye, right? I mean, surely these are good folks over there threatening to erase Israel and the big Satan (USA), nothing to worry about, right? all rheteric, right?
Wow, phew, that's soo nice to know :)
JD 8 months ago
Yip, that's right JD
RmeMP 8 months ago
I'm so proud that you've learned to copy and paste videos and pictures, instead of you know actually discussing a subject matter. You are following DR quite well young patawon!
At least he has the gull to debate on most of his posts...
JD 8 months ago
Yip padawan,
You seemed to agree with me in the post before so what's to 'debate' with you? You typed,"surely these are good folks over there threatening to erase Israel and the big Satan (USA)."
What's left to say to that than to agree with you? It's not like you were being sarcastic or in some way improper in your 'debate' technique?
oceangypsy 8 months ago
As the President at said in his speech this week there is absolutely no excuse (such as a video) for Muslims to kill others as the did on 9/111/12. The video was a barbarian's excuse. I wish the President had not felt the need to even acknowledge our feelings about inflamatory religious cuts, such as the video, since it gave attention and needless credence to the baseless video excuse and sounds weak to a people who probably are aware we don't show the same outrage for attacks against Christians. Extremey timely column.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
You know, if I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, it has been known to happen once in a blue moon, but didnt the lets ignore it and it will go away strategy get played about 75 years ago? I think the guys name was hitler,... How did that work out again I forget...
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Clarabelle, Im going to give you 1 fact since thats all you asked for, this administration helped pave the way for Hosni Mubarak to be removed from power and the Muslim Brotherhood, a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WITH LINKS TO HAMAS AND AL QUEDA take control, Your guy did that. And know we have lost a powerful ally in Egypt.
There 1 indisputable fact.
Its going...going...gone!!!!!!!!
OldPilot 8 months ago
Maybe the simple difference is a single unflattering painting, supposedly art, that doesn't condem an entire religion or portray it's central character as a vile person versus a video short that makes no pretense at being "art" but does condem an entire religion and paints it's central character as possessing numerous loathsome characteristics. Pretty poor analogy and grasping at straws, but that's Levy, never one to let facts and logic get in the way of a good political tirade. It makes perfect sense that our President would make the simple statement that this video short doesn't represent the view of the American government, important because many, many citizens of most mideastern countries can't conceive that such a video could be made without government approval and have literally no understanding, no conception of what we think of as "free speech". As for the rest apparently Levy has some secret pipeline into the White House and the Israeli cabnet so he knows more than their public statements disclose, or more likely he is just blathering his personal opinion as if it were fact, again.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Heres a bone chuck just cause im in a good mood, Sept 11th 2012 was not a spontaneous act brought on by a video that was NEVER watched and had been on the internet SINCE JULY, made by a videographer that NO ONE has ever heard of.
It was a very well thought out and well executed TERRORIST attack on US CITIZENS, US PROPERTY, and US SOVEREIGNTY. During these TERRORIST attacks, 4 US CITIZENS were MURDERED.
There ya go 2 for the price of 1.
And the TAPS beat the chucks in a landslide shut out of epic proportions.
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The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
And OldPilot shows his Ignorance again, stick to planes bub, o and Those Loathsome characteristics, what do you actually know about Mohammad man? Have you ever read the Koran? Do you know the history of the Muslim religion? Did you know that they used to point there carpets toward Jerusalem, but after Mohammad, Ie the Profit, took offense that the Jews would not accept him as a profit (sound familiar) he changed.
The difference is Mohammad helped pen a book of bigotry and hatred, Jesus helped pen a book of reverence, civility, and love.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Here OP learn something before you speak on things you dont understand.
http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad06.htm
Thats a really quick read, after that pick up an english translation of the koran by Shaykh Muhammad Taqee ud Deen al Hilaalee and Muhammad Muhsin Khaan.
Nezumi 8 months ago
Maybe my mother-in-law is onto something in studying Buddhism...
Jason 8 months ago
Religion equals division.
@TAP- "Jesus helped pen a book of reverence, civility, and love." And that is why it is too bad so many so-called Christians spend so much timing promoting hatred.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Jason, i am not incontrol of what so called christians do. It is bot my job to grant them salvatiin. The book is there. Whether you choose to live by it or not is your choice to make. If everyone followed and lived as jesus there would be no war no famine no attrocity. Having said that. The way is narrow and many will not enter.
teufelhunden 8 months ago
Dang TAP you are on a roll!!! Love reading your posts. Keep up the pressure!!!
Courseaire 8 months ago
In life, there are a few nutjob (extremist) Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc., but that doesn't mean that all promote or espouse hate. If fact, it is just the opposite. You should not judge all by the acts of a few.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
You are correct courseire. Taking a large group of people. The majority will be moderates who just want to work have a bit of fun and be left alone. Theae people generally do not demand that anything be given to them except the ability to work, prosper, have a family, and practice there religion in private or to practice no religiin at all.
When looking at religions, christianity, buddism, wiccan, judism, taoism, etc. These religions tell there followers to make the most of life, be at peace with your fellow man, and lead a humble life in the pursuit of some form of enlightenment.
The current incarnation of islam, ie circa 500 ad to present is different. This religion is centered around a book that was inspired by a man attempting to control a great army. The book itself is a rule book on codes of conduct ment to keep soilders in line. Its promises of after life are secondary to its strict adhearencd to brutal codes. This book is the sum of everything that civil rights groups in the west have fought against for the last 300 years.
It is altogether incomprehensible that america would take a stance to call for and appoligize for our beleife in freedom to appease a group of people eho want nothing more then those exact freedoms eradicated.
As to the moderate muslim. This is an oxymoron. The only true moderate muslim is one who is muslim onlu by political affiliation Ie i was born in america my family is christian so i must be to but i dont beleive in any of it.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
@ Teufelhunden
Truth is undeniable, but not always conveinient.
Nezumi 8 months ago
TAP - the Malays are pretty moderate by-and-large, and the Indonesians as well - with exception of the few bad eggs, as Courseaire put very well. I've done business in Malaysia for years and never felt the least antagonism towards me - and I do stand out in Asia.
JD 8 months ago
by JD
by JD
Thatcher 8 months ago
Gosh...I feel better.
The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago
Jd please refer to my post on moderates
mcgal 8 months ago
JD, they're citizens of Benghazi, aren't they? Thanks for posting these.
ImaginaryManInTheSky 8 months ago
Funny that christians feel a double standard, when they are quickest to judge others and tell them why they are going to Hell. They either tell you how terrible you are or they try to fix people who aren't broken. The only reason christians don't resort to violence more often, is because they are afraid of "Man's" law and don't want to be punished. Religion is several large cults that are against the other cults, because they are different. Feel free to disagree, but I have no horse in this race and am an outside observer and that is what I see.
Thatcher 8 months ago
ImaginaryManInTheSky-- Interesting name. You claim that the only reason Christians don't resort to violence is because they "are afraid of 'Man's' law and don't want to be punished." Did it ever occur to you, as you were choosing your name here, that most Christians don't resort to violence because they don't want to offend God, or their fellow man? Never occurred to you? Not suprised. But I wish you well. Cheers!
JD 8 months ago
Gosh...I feel better.
Me too. It's nice that we recognize that not everyone is a stereotype and even the people you may not like condemn violence as well as denounce the criminals of their society . Oh wait you were being snide and condescending again. Nevermind...
Jd please refer to my post on moderates
This one? As to the moderate muslim. This is an oxymoron. The only true moderate muslim is one who is muslim onlu by political affiliation Ie i was born in america my family is christian so i must be to but i dont beleive in any of it. I am sure it was nicer before being put through Google Translate.
Thanks for posting these. You're Welcome. Here are some more.
Thatcher 8 months ago
When I disagree with you, I am being "snide and condescending." When you disagree with me, you are being intelligent, clever, and humorous. Amazing self-reflection. Because let's be real here...you have proven that you are more intelligent than anyone else here. By the way, I sometimes slice my drive on the golf course. As the man with every answer to every problem, would you say that my slice is due to my hatred, or instead due to my rage? Since I oppose Obama's policies, is my slice due to my racism? Everyone here...and I mean EVERYONE...is waiting for the answer from on high. Please. Any hope for my golf game? Cheers!
JD 8 months ago
Well that was not a loaded question and in no way an emotional response filled with narcissism and self-loathing. My advice? Try a local psychiatrist. Good luck with seeking help.
Enjoy a Mark Twain quote! Golf is a good walk spoiled.
Thatcher 8 months ago
I knew it! You would show us all the way!! Thank you! Cheers! (Uh oh...I'm self-loathing...should I be friendly, or should I be vile and vulgar...it's tearing me apart!!!...what to do?...). Cheers! And thanks for the reply!
JD 8 months ago
You're welcome. Hope the thread doesn't get locked soon. Take care of yourself and remember Thatcher.
You'll get there buddy. Seek help. by JD
Thatcher 8 months ago
Golly, it's persuasive posts like yours that make things so difficult. But just so I get your real message: I am self-loathing, and you are self-loving? That is your message, right? Cheers!
JD 8 months ago
No, I am saying you have issues you should work out. I linked a page a few posts up to direct you to people to better answer these burning inner questions of yours and assist you in finding the peace you seem to be seeking. Good luck in your journey to mental health. That's my message to you buddy.
Cheers!
Thatcher 8 months ago
Ha! Just had my wife read your post, and in her innocent way, she said "Who is that man?" I explained to her who you really are, and she said "Don't talk to him anymore." I tried to explain that this liberal pops up from time to time, and says mean things to everyone who disagrees with him. Then she says, "You'd better be nice to him." I fell out of my chair laughing! I love my wife! Cheers!
JD 8 months ago
Ok, well I'm glad you're happy trolling away. I can see you are a competent and mentally sound individual with no strange complex or mental health issues whatsoever.
Thanks for proving me wrong! Being insulting like you usually are definitely makes you look like a well adjusted person.
Glad you are such a responsible Christian and practice the love and kindness you preach. I am also happy you were so supportive of the pictures from Benghazi residents decrying and showing sympathy for inexcusable violence. Because not all Muslims are terrorists just like you show not all Christians are just hypocrites that use religion as a shield and as an excuse for their poor behavior.
Cheers from registered Republican and Gary Johnson supporter!
Thatcher 8 months ago
Thanks for the kind words. But nobody here...and I mean nobody, believes you are a Republican voting for Gary Johnson. That ship sailed long ago. Cheers! (Of course, please feel free to criticize Obama's policies...as a Gary Johnson supporter... I haven't seen that yet....are you saving it for later?). I suspect you are not being truthful.
Thatcher 8 months ago
The new and improved Libertarian JD. We look forward to libertarian-leaning posts from now on. Cheers!
JD 8 months ago
Nice double post Thatcher the rage tears must be many.
Never changed you just choose to ignore facts and again speak for the mysterious "everyone" that exist only in your head. Sort of your M.O. to be ignorant, condescending and snide.
So happy to see you practicing your Christian values. Check previous posts and you will see how you purposely ignore and mock when I point out that I am a Republican, just because I don't blog about hating the President does not invalidate party membership last I checked.
But hey that's what trolls do, so I expect no less from you and your forum posts.
Good luck with seeking help and finding that validation you seem so desperate for on the internet. It will take you far anon!
Courseaire 8 months ago
Thatcher - reference your slice: I'd try to get a little more vertical on your swing plane (this will help take out your outside-in swing), a little more left arm and drop your right foot back a half of step. Try it & let me know how it works. Or just aim way left.
JD 8 months ago
With that said I would like to continue the false flag discussion which was started a few posts up. This should help.
SH59 8 months ago
When I read the title of this article I thought it was about how the powerful Christian Right is backing a Mormon cult member. If that isn't a double standard I don't know what is.
teufelhunden 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Seems as though Thatcher is having fun while I think one could light a cigar on JD's neck. Whew!
teufelhunden 7 months, 4 weeks ago
That apparent testiness reminds me of someone...
Thatcher 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Thanks teufelhunden! I am having fun, and I'm sure he is probably a nice guy. Cheers!
oceangypsy 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Courseaire, now that is worth reading!!
Folks above, if you are rejecting Christianity based upon some obnoxious Christians you've met, that probably is a good reason for you but do you do everything because someone you like does it or do you actually study up on things? If the former I would recommend you immediately start regularly studying the Bible, the Consumer Reports Annual Buying Guide, and www.realclearpolitics.com.
>Thatcher 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Courseaire-- Thanks for the advice...although I may have a problem with aiming left. Cheers!
OldPilot 7 months, 4 weeks ago
"The_AnonymusProfit" and Levy make perfect fellow travellers: neither one is willing to let facts and logic get in the way of a good rant and apparently their worlds touch reality only on the odd tangent.. PS: 1) We will all try to remember the love, peace and civility concept in the context of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, etc; 2) The idea that Jesus "wrote" the Bible makes as much sense as the world being created in seven days. The First Amendment wasn't intended to guarantee ones ability to demonstrate insularity and lack of knowledge although it often so serves.
Thatcher 7 months, 4 weeks ago
OldPilot-- Who told you that Jesus wrote the Bible? Please let us know. Cheers!
JD 7 months, 4 weeks ago
I think one could light a cigar on JD's neck
I think you don't understand dry humor and counter trolling. Welcome to the interwebz.
I am having fun, and I'm sure he is probably a nice guy. Cheers!
I am and hopefully the therapy will continue along nicely for you. Good luck on your journey to health!
nothingspecial 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Old Pilot, welcome to your club of folks who rant. Don't you just love human nature...
Courseaire 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Old Pilot - Jesus wrote the version written in Spanish and JD, you & I will someday share a fine cigar. Cheers.