No Longer Republican

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

There'll be no living with me after this.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Jealousy is an ugly thing, Boscoe.

Here's a little reading for you:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/fl-sgduel-oped0914-20120914,0,7920623.story

The GOP today is largely a party of rabid, old, white men in the unhappy dusk of their lives, railing against a nation in which they are no longer the dominant players. It is sad to watch — and sadder to be one of them. You can smell the mothballs of their memories and memorabilia (hats and banners resurrected for the convention), read the rage in their eyes.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

And it is getting harder to claim to be an independent, as the Republicans have been pulled so far away from the mainstream. They don't want the vote of atheists, gays, women, blacks, etc. Well, I guess they do want the Hispanics but they are having a difficult time figuring out how to do that.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Well, I guess they do want the Hispanics but they are having a difficult time figuring out how to do that.

Let me give you a little illustration as to why that might be. I noted in a comment here a few months ago that at the time, Obama was leading Romney by 12 points among Hispanics. One of our local Angry Old White Men shot back "I wonder how many of those polled were felons or illegals?"

As long as the Republicans act like that, they're going to keep losing out among the fastest growing demographic in the country.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner. - Benjamin Franklin

Democracy is tyranny of the mob. Something that republicans (the party that ended slavery) understands far better than you, Sir. If democracy is the form of government you seek, the democratic party is a welcoming home fit for you.

Oh and did you know that when the democratic party was formed the word "democrat" was a insult directed at "those who pander to the mindless whims of the masses".

OldPilot 8 months, 1 week ago

If boscoe50 is so upset about Hispanic immigration he should tell his tale of woe to the Native Americans among us.

teufelhunden 8 months, 1 week ago

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, it's time to wake up and smell the global jihad By Christian Whiton

Published September 14, 2012 FoxNews.com

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

@Guy_Forks- Your historical references are darling. It's a shame that time is a continuous measurement and snipping out short segments lead to erroneous conclusions and misleading arguments. As an example, you might want to check to see which party all those slave loving Southerners now reside in.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

@teufelhunden- I call your bet and raise you a few Salafists...http://world.time.com/2012/09/14/what-we-can-learn-from-the-attacks-on-u-s-embassies/

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason, you display ignorance by suggesting that the republican party is full of Southern racists.

Do you also make the same raciest assumption that food stamps recipients are all black as the raciest Chris Matthews does?

Can you find no intelligent augment to make other than republicans are raciest? Other than disparaging a group of Americans because they believe differently than you? These folks are your neighbors, your friends, and your family that your blanket statement would accuse them of the desire to own another? Where is that intellectual prowess that democrats continually claim? The civility and reasoned argument that democrats claim exclusivity to?

Display it for me good Sir.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason, you display ignorance by suggesting that the republican party is full of Southern racists.

No, I think he dispalys basic reading comprehension:

do you really believe that they payed [sic] you with money from picking potatoes or working tobacco, get real that money was from all that cocaine they bring in.

take those blinders off my good man and see them for what they are, playing you like a fiddle.

When you see stuff like this from the right, and see all the other right wingers giving it a pass, kind of hard not to conclude that the GOP is riddled with bigots and their enablers.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

@Guy_Forks- I am suggesting the Republican party is happy to have racists vote their way. They have and continue to leverage racist fears for a percentage of their advertising. From a Lee Atwater interview: "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.'"

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Sorry guys, but I don't think in black, white or yellow. I don't hear the dog whistle, and the only ones I see that are obsessed with the color of another skin are democrats on a podium or the media on the telly. They are constantly telling me that one, I'm raciest because I believe that everyone has an equal opportunity, and two, that this or that statement made by Mr. Obama's critics is raciest or code.

If the president was white, would you not be outraged that more able bodied Americans join SS Disability than found jobs in August (or July? I don't remember exactly)

If McCain where president would you not be outraged that more Americans depend on food stamps than ever before?

If a white man was on video terrorizing blacks at the voting booth with a club, arrested, convicted, and then exonerated by the DOJ led by a white man would you not be enraged?

For these criticisms, that if directed to a white man would find no controversy. Yet when leveled on the current occupant, these are raciest?

I seems to me that you are the one who has an issue on color.

The racist republican party was all set to nominate a great man who happened to be black, till the media manufactured an controversy to expunge him. Of course your retort would be that it's all for show and that Cain is an uncle tom and intellectuality inferior. What arrogance.

I'm sick of hearing about racialism, and i put forth this childhood revelation: He who smelt it, dealt it.

You can always tell who the raciest is, they always talk about race and are never shy to use vulgarity to that end.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

i put forth this childhood revelation: He who smelt it, dealt it.

This about sums up the intellectual depth of the GOP. Childish rhymes and fart jokes. Oh, and poor spelling and grammar.

Here's your PeeWee:

by dustyrhoades

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Or a more simple question:

Are republicans just southern backwater ignorant racists, or are they manufacturing a subtle narrative that invokes race to manipulate the voter?

Seeing how manipulation on mass takes a strong degree of intelligence, these two perceptions taken to their logical conclusion, are mutually exclusive.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Offer a thoughtful rebuttal Dusty. Your a democrat, an intellectual elite, supposedly above name calling in favor of a civil discourse. Instead you level accusations of inferior intellect.

Well sir, if you are the measure of a healthy intellect, I shall endeavor to be a fool.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

GF- You are twisting the dialogue. I never said ALL Republicans are racist. In fact, I get mad at my African-American friends who see everything in black and white. I do not see life that way and I think it hurts them to hold that belief. Then again, I don't walk in their shoes. Do I believe SOME of the misinformation spread and so easily accepted regarding Obama is due to the color of his skin? Absolutely! Ever scan the online reader comments regarding Michelle? Also, no need to put words in my mouth. I can call Herman Cain flawed on my own, thank you. FYI, he wasn't going to win the nomination. As severely weak as Romney is, he is still the most presidential character that was in contention. Although, Huntsman was interesting if he wasn't so goofy.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

And the back tracking begins. So, i shall quote you.

"As an example, you might want to check to see which party all those slave loving Southerners now reside in." (kina hard not to think you mean that republicans are raciest or ignorant.)

"I am suggesting the Republican party is happy to have racists vote their way." (now you suggest that they have no moral fortitude)

And let us not forget your perchance for raciest vulgarity. If fact your the only one I've ever seen use that word on this site. A true intellectual can argue the merits of their ideas without stooping to the vulgar words of their adversary.

Perhaps Cain was weak. So what, so was Obama when he first ran, and Cain had far better qualifications than "learn on the job Obama" in '08. Or as the Hollywood interpretation of Hillery Clinton said (and My Favorite SecState since Condi) "history is made by the first timers"

My overriding point is that you Jason, and now dusty has displayed a preference to name calling over reason.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

The wingnut playbook for on line Pilot commenting:

Post something stupid or racist or both, usually with spelling or grammar that makes you look functionally illiterate. .
Get called stupid or racist.
Whine about it.
Repeat.

PS: "Raciest" means "the most racy." It is not a synonym for bigotry.

teufelhunden 8 months, 1 week ago

Yeah I listened to NPR today and there are lots of variations to the story and unanswered questions. To think we have all the answers locked is not only irresponsible and crazy it is naive as heck. We do already know their desired end game. I for one do not wish to bury my head in the sand. And although I don't want you to either, if you insist, be my guest. The writing is on the wall.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Still waiting for a reasoned rebuttal Dusty....

You capable of one?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

And let us not forget your perchance for raciest vulgarity. If fact your the only one I've ever seen use that word on this site.

English is a beautiful language, Guy. You should learn it.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

GF- I am not back tracking. There is a difference between saying there are racists in the Republican party and Republicans are "southern backwater ignorant racists." The latter of which I did not say. I also didn't say they were "full of Southern racists. " This is twisting and misrepresenting. I didn't think my words were all that ambiguous. Clearly, you are extrapolating incorrectly. Here, this might help- All beagles are dogs, but not all dogs are beagles. Get the difference?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Still waiting for a reasoned rebuttal Dusty.... You capable of one?

Still waiting for you to say something that's worthy of it, rather than worthy of mockery.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

And regarding the infamous Republican strategist, Lee Atwater's use of the N-word... we are attempting to have an adult conversation. I believe we can handle this hateful slang word as used in the context of a quote in an intelligent conversation.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

All racists are are republican, but not all republicans are racists. I totally get it now, thanks!

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Did President Obama refer to one of his grandfathers as a house n-word in one of his books. Can anyone verify or refute that. Would that be racist?

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

teufelhunden- " We do already know their desired end game." And your "their" is referring to?

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

GF- LOL, good retort! Since we both know that I do not believe all racists are Republicans and never said or implied that, do you really want to equate the meaning of my words with yours?

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty, just so I understand you, those who do not meet your definition of intellect are not worthy of your teaching? Not worthy of acknowledgment other than belittlement and mockery?

Boy that kinda reminds me of the attitude democrats had in the 1930s, you know the one who totally picked up Hitlers torch by enacting eugenics laws in North Carolina?

It's not a great moral leap to justify subjugation once those who should be are vilified. Thank god Jesus and (my favorite) budda did not feel as arrogant as you.

Who is worthy of your great wisdom, what must I do to be worthy the great knowledge you hoard like a king?

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason, no. I know you don't think all GOP are racist. Only a fool would believe that.

However, can't we simply ignore the preconceptions and exchange ideas? Isn't the Democratic Party all about progressively improving mankind by lifting his neighbor, a party that shares ideas and ideals regardless of personal passions?

That's the party I belonged to not long ago, I'm an independent now, but I sure do miss the Clinton democrats.

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

Exchange away, my friend.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason,

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner. - Benjamin Franklin

Democracy is tyranny of the mob.

The Republican party was founded to free slaves from chattel.

Do you refute?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Boy that kinda reminds me of the attitude democrats had in the 1930s, you know the one who totally picked up Hitlers torch by enacting eugenics laws in North Carolina?

Claptrap like this is why you don't get a "reasoned rebuttal".

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

I'll play! From- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Democracy

Misattributed

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence, it is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers. In 1992, Marvin Simkin wrote in Los Angeles Times, Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.[1] A far rarer but somewhat more credible variation also occurs: "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner." Web searches on these lines uncovers the earliest definite citations for such a statement credit libertarian author James Bovard with a similar one in the Sacramento Bee (1994): "Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." This statement also definitely occurs in the "Conclusion" (p. 333) of his book Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994) ISBN 0312123337

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

From-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_... "It began as a coalition of anti-slavery "Conscience Whigs" and Free Soil Democrats opposed to the Kansas-Nebraska Act, submitted to Congress by Stephen Douglas in January 1854. "

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Excellent!

Other than my error of the quotes author which you point out, much like Dusty critiquing my occasional grammatical errors, do you have an antithesis for the idea behind the quote?

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

What I would say is that the whole republic versus democracy thing is overplayed. We have a constitutional republic with a lot of democracy built in, e.g., voting for leaders. In other words, the majority rules, but not at the expense of the rights of the minority. For example, the idea that we should have a popular vote to discriminate against gay folks from marrying is "tyranny of the mob." :)

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

P.S.- Please stop being so sensitive about mistakes. I wasn't looking to embarrass or criticize you; context matters. A quote takes on a... greater power when attributed to a founder. Thought you might like to know where it may have come from, that's all.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Wow, that must have been a powerful article.

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

I agree, but I think it's not played enough. To many people just don't understand this, and it's not just gay haters in the republican party. A fine example would be the "99%", an obvious vast majority if they are to be believed, have laid a moral claim to the property of the rich "1%". I don't have a problem with paying more taxes on my earnings. I do have a problem with fairness. Mainly, just what is fair?

Shouldn't fair be everyone paying the exact same rate? Here is another for you, why tax income at all?

I think we can agree that anything you tax something you get less of it. Cigarette taxes and speeding tickets are great examples, they discourage unwanted behavior. So by extension of that logic, taxing income will discourage income from increasing. Ironically, when an employer hires a worker that employer must match the taxes paid by the employee. In essence, the amount you pay in payroll taxes as an empolyee (income, ss, medicaid, medicare) is matched by a separate payment by your employer. Isn't this an incentive for companies not to hire?

For the self employed like myself, we have that same tax, called the self employment tax, which effectively doubles my tax rate. I think that this has a limiting effect on the creation of new business.

Taxes shouldn't be about the rich or poor, redistribution, who's paying what, etc.. It should be about funding the government. To come back around to my point, when the people believe that they live in a democracy, they act so.

See this isn't that hard Dusty, you should check your pride and join us!

AFCHIEF 8 months, 1 week ago

I'm not close to ever being rich, but after watching this video makes you wonder what about liberals and their brain power. Just amazing how dumb they are.

Democrats: Let's Ban Profits! by SchiffReport

Jason 8 months, 1 week ago

"have laid a moral claim to the property of the rich '1%'" You know this is so untrue. Taxes have been used quite successfully to redistribute the wealth for a very long time. Unfortunately, the very rich have lobbied to reduce their payments and thus, created a 40 year shift in wealth from the middle class to the rich.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason, it is generally accepted that 48% of income earners in the US pay a net zero income taxes or even get back more than they pay. Given this fact I ask you two things. 1)is this fair to you 2)at what point do you feel this becomes unsustainable (given that this percentage will continue to grow as it has over the years). It is no surpise the left continues to push this fair share nonsense, it is suprising so many are gullible enough to believe it.

AFCHIEF 8 months, 1 week ago

Here is Obamacare summed up

Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence by BarbaraBellar

Guy_Forks 8 months, 1 week ago

Jason, from what I hear from the left is that I have a moral obligation, to be codified in law, to those who have not attained a high income. That this is fair because the workers did all the work. This isn't just the teenage occupy crowd, but folks in the democratic party like warren.

geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Good grief...now look what you've done, Bob! We've lost another "moderate Republican." All because of you and Rush. Imagine...calling Ms. Fluke a slut. Oh well... Mr. Owen can move over to the Democrats and enjoy Mr. Biden saying Republicans want to put Blacks back in chains. He'll be happier with them.

clarabelle 8 months, 1 week ago

" fugitiveguy - Jason, it is generally accepted that 48% of income earners in the US pay a net zero income taxes or even get back more than they pay. Given this fact I ask you two things. 1)is this fair to you"

Considering that about 50% of those are people with incomes below $16,812 — it's called POVERTY level.

perhaps YOU could drop to this level and also pay no taxes.

NO .......... I didn't think so!

clarabelle 8 months, 1 week ago

Read online today........ PERFECT summation of today:

"My name is 636363 and I approved this message.

American politics has become so dysfunctional and so full of, well full of __, distortion is the only game left in town. I find my only salvation, the only place I find calm, is to ignore the entire thing. everything, and simply go with my gut. Facts don't matter because those in politics have made facts irrelevant to themselves, and thus, to the voter. We're now back to 1776, when it was just a "gut feeling". Maybe the long run, that's the best thing that could have happened."

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/sep/11/3/longtime-gop-voter-will-vote-democrat-ar-2197817/

I think its an epidemic. What will we do?

geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

If Democrats switched over to the Republican side every time a Democrat said something off color, there wouldn't be any Democrats. Mr. Owen gives Rush (and himself) to much credit. It's just one man, sir. Steady your nerves, and stay true to those "moderate Republican" values.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

What will we do?

Stop being hysterical, crazy and hateful?

Thatcher 8 months, 1 week ago

Where is the word "rage?" C'mon! Look sharp out there! Cheers!

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

You know who you anti-immigrant guys should be voting for? Virgil Goode.

The main plank in Goode's campaign platform is less immigration, legal or illegal. "The key factor is we need to be focusing on the job issue in a way that's different from what Obama and Romney are doing," he said. "I'm the only candidate in the field, and the Constitution Party is the only party that truly recognizes that we need to preserve jobs for American citizens first. "I have called for a near moratorium on green-card admissions until unemployment is under 5 percent," he said.

He's in the Constitution Party. You guys love the Constitution, don't you?

Thatcher 8 months, 1 week ago

Don't you?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Of course! I'm the one in court quoting the Bill of Rights, remember?

Thatcher 8 months, 1 week ago

Good for you! Cheers!

OldPilot 8 months, 1 week ago

We have to be nice to boscoe50. He says he's married to a Cherokee, so he is thus entitled to dump on Hispanics. Must be a Jeep Cherokee.

clarabelle 8 months, 1 week ago

Too funny - this is what the right wing loonies are running:

"Today the Official government news agency in China called out Romney's tough talk regarding China's alleged manipulation of the market by calling "it [ ] rather ironic that a considerable portion of this China-battering politician's wealth was actually obtained by doing business with Chinese companies before he entered politics."

republican party - the party of the future .............. if it was 1950 again!

clarabelle 8 months, 1 week ago

" OldPilot - We have to be nice to boscoe50. He says he's married to a Cherokee, so he is thus entitled to dump on Hispanics. Must be a Jeep Cherokee"

That............. was funny :)

clarabelle 8 months, 1 week ago

" AFCHIEF - I'm not close to ever being rich, but after watching this video makes you wonder what about liberals and their brain power. Just amazing how dumb they are."

and you afchump.......... are an expert on being DUMB

justpassingby2 8 months, 1 week ago

Stop being hysterical, crazy and hateful?

And having meltdowns that cause you to be sent to your room?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

And having meltdowns that cause you to be sent to your room?

Yeah, you could stop doing that, too.

Reading comprehension's really not your strong point, is it?

Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

DR jr why not succumb to the tactics of the Republican Party and revert back to Jim Crowe Laws. Pennsylvania is a splendid example of such a history making event laced with prejudicial overtones. No id no vote: Going Backwards in PA

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

I see some talking about taxes being a redistribution method for getting more money and benefits to the working class. I also believe that is theft. Why should l work so someone else can share in the fruits of MY labor? Trust me, I am not close to a 1%er. Heck, I am not even a ten percenter. I will be comfortable in retirement, I HOPE, but why should l work hard for years to give what little l have to someone that chooses NOT to work?

justpassingby2 8 months, 1 week ago

Stop being hysterical, crazy and hateful? And having meltdowns that cause you to be sent to your room? Those are all the things you do here. Get it now?

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months, 1 week ago

I just want a simple answer to this question. If u limbs are right and we conservatives are wrong, please tell me how u will pay for all these programs. Please make your answer short

geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Good questions, Yukon. And the increase in Welfare and food stamps becomes addictive, like Heroin. The more that's available, the more that will be used and abused. the less incentive to work. Your taxes? They'll go up to pay for others doing nothing. Nice vision this president and the Pelosi Democrats have for us.

justpassingby2 8 months, 1 week ago

Wall St. at a 4 year high and gas at $4 a gallon. Can see why the dems want 4 more years of obama. Will romney run an ad thanking obama for 4 years of making him and his ilk (that would be the RICH dusty) so much richer especially with the obama, I mean bush tax breaks for the rich still in place? Those damn jobs are over-rated!

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Toda-no offense but I find that to be one of your more asinine posts. Yukon-I agree almost totally with the sentiments expressed in your last post. And about these so called "bush tax cuts", didn't Obama have all the power he needed to repeal those tax cuts and chose not to. If so isn't it more correct to call them the Obama tax cuts?

moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

AFCHIEF, there are profits and then there are PROFITS. We Democrats are talking about those PROFITS. The PROFITS that enable many CEO's to now "earn" Billions in salaries/stocks/rewards. When there's ONE individual in a company because of TAX BREAKS and other Accountant magic. making that kind of money, well, it's really GREED on STEROIDS. GREED has consequenses for the victims of it and also for the perpetrators of it. Most of the 99%ers don't have an accountant or Lawyer; then again if you only make about $20,000 or so a year why would you need one anyway. PROFITS like those don't always go back into the company to make it possible to either pay the employees better wages or even to hire more employees. It goes to PERSONAL EXCESS. Americans who have been able to be fortunate to earn that kind of money should be able to see what their GREED is doing but they just don't seem to be able to handle it. So, that's when the Government has to come in to RIGHT the WRONGS. And that kind of PROFIT and WEALTH is wrong when the number of persons in America living in Poverty is at record levels. Forget the Moderate Republicans, unless the Republican Party allows more LIBERAL THINKING TYPES back in you're just COOKED. How will we pay for those programs Profitman? We will FIX our outdated TAX SYSTEM. We will put more people to work. there is so much to be done and new businesses to be created but BIG OIL, GAS, COAL and many others are keeping PROGRESS from happening. We will STOP pouring so much money into unneeded military wars and bases around the world. And now I will "Ring my own BELLS". As a Work First Social Worker I helped persons who didn't even have to work because they were disabled to get JOBS! Disabled persons can work a few hours a week and still keep their SS checks in case many of you didn't know that. Of course my clients didn't have such dibilitating physical problems that theys couldn't complete simple tasks. I found simple jobs that they learned to love. I taught them to LIKE the job they were doing and to LIKE the results. Many of my Work First clients had never been taught a work ethic, had never been complemented or been given a chance. Health Care for all will be another way to "SAVE" money. Look it up. It seems to me the American People are poorly educated about more than their ABC's and until we work very hard to correct that it will continue to be Sad.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

If so isn't it more correct to call them the Obama tax cuts?

Please do.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

I'm sorry, the Obama tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Romney's going to pay the price for dissing Ron Paul's supporters.

At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party’s presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the next president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race. The electors — all supporters of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul — told The Associated Press they are exploring options should Mitt Romney win their states. They expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul’s conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters. “They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that. I’d like to show them how disgusted I am,” said Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa mother of three who was selected as a Republican elector earlier this year. She said Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/3-republican-members-of-electoral-college-may-not-vote-for-gop-ticket/2012/09/13/896c71c4-fd70-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_print.html

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey Moon, what do you think about athletes and actors making gazillions of dollars? What percent should they get to keep?

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

Moon, there is nothing wrong with "liking" your job. Heck, I love mine. But, these CEO's you talk about with such disdain, they GAMBLED their initial investment. They took RISKS!! Risk that might have sunk them once or twice, but they took those risks. Sometimes when one takes a risk it pays off, sometimes it pays off BIG TIME. What is wrong with that? If I take HUGE risk, and it pays me back handsomely, then what is wrong with that. If l am honest, do not do people wrong, then why should l do more than pay normal taxes. Why should l be penalized by stealing my money that I have earned??

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey moon, have you ever wondered how people from foreign countries can come here not even able to speak the language and eak out a living and even become prosperous while so many natives seem endlessly stuck in poverty? Whats up with that?

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

25 Obama tax cuts passed without Republican help:

Individual Tax Cuts:

"Making Work Pay" Tax Credit (Sec. 1001, Page 195). In tax years 2009 and 2010, the Making Work Pay provision will provide a refundable tax credit of 6.2 percent of earned income up to $400 for individuals and up to $800 for married taxpayers filing joint returns.
Increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit (Sec. 1002, Page 198). Go to the stimulus bill for all the details, but it essentially expands this benefit for the working poor.
Increased Eligibility for the Refundable Portion of Child Credit (Sec. 1003, Page 199). In 2009 and 2010, families who don’t earn enough to pay income tax would be eligible to claim the $1,000 child credit.
"American Opportunity" Education Tax Credit (Sec. 1004, Page 199). Increases the Hope Scholarship Credit to $2,500.
Refundable First-time Home Buyer Credit. (Sec. 1006, Page 202). This extended and increased the first-time home buyer tax credit from $7,500 to $8,000.
Temporary Suspension of Taxation of Unemployment Benefits (Sec. 1007, Page 203). This exempts from taxable gross income the first $2,400 of unemployment benefits.
Tax Credits for Energy-Efficient Improvements to Existing Homes (Sec. 1121, Page 208). This provides up to a $1,500 tax credit for qualified energy efficiency improvements.
Sales Tax Deduction for Vehicle Purchases (Sec. 1008, Page 203). This allows people to write off state and local sales taxes related to the purchase of a new vehicle costing up to $49,500.
Premium Credits for COBRA Continuation Coverage for Unemployed Workers (Sec. 6432, Page 348)
Economic Recovery Credits to Recipients of Social Security, SSI, Railroad Retirement and Veterans Disability Compensation Benefits (Sec. 2201, Page 336). This was a $250 payment for senior citizens, disabled veterans and disabled people living on Social Security benefits.
Computers as Qualified Education Expenses in 529 Education Plans (Sec. 1005, Page 202). This allows college students to write off the expense of computers and software, provided it's for educational purpose and not for games.
Plug-in Electric Drive Vehicle Credit (Sec. 1141, Page 212). Allows purchasers of plug-in electric vehicles to write off up to $5,000 of their purchase (depending on the power of the battery).
Tax Parity for Transit Benefits (sec. 1151, Page 219). This relates to an increased exclusion amount for commuter transit benefits and transit passes.
Health Coverage Tax Credit Expansion (Sec. 1899, Page 309).

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Small Business Tax Cuts:

Extension of Enhanced Small Business Expensing (Sec. 1202, Page 221). This is a temporary increase in limitations on expensing some depreciable business assets.
5-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses for Small Businesses (Sec. 1211, Page 221).
Extension of Bonus Depreciation (Sec. 1201, Page 220). This extends by a year election to accelerate the AMT and Research Credits in lieu of bonus depreciation.
Exclusion of 75% of Small Business Capital Gains from Taxes (Sec. 1241, Page 228).
Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief (Sec. 1212, Page 222).
Temporary Reduction of S Corporation Built-In Gains Holding Period from 10 Years to 7 Years (Sec. 1251, Page 228).

Other Business Tax Cuts:

Advanced Energy Investment Credit (Sec. 1302, Page 231). This relates to properties designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as those that produce energy from the sun, wind, geothermal deposits, fuel cells, microturbines, or an energy storage system for use with electric or hybrid-electric vehicles.
Tax Credits for Alternative Refueling Property (Sec. 1123, Page 211). This is a temporary increase for alternative fuel vehicle refueling businesses.
Work Opportunity Tax Credits for Hiring Unemployed Veterans and Disconnected Youth (Sec. 1221, Page 223). This is a tax credit to provide incentive to businesses to hire unemployed veterans and "disconnected youth." That latter term is defined, in part, as young adults "not readily employable by reason of lacking a sufficient number of basic skills."
Delayed Recognition of Certain Cancellation of Debt Income (Sec. 1231, Page 224).
Election to Accelerate Recognition of Historic AMT/R&D Credits (Sec. 1201, Page 220).

Grand total: 25.

(All part of the so-called "failed" stimulus)

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

DR, I think that is so poetic justice. America is going to get exactly what they wanted. Four more years of the current President, or 4 yrs of Mitt Romney!! Maybe in a few more years, after many of his predictions continue to come true, America will see her mistake and try and find another Ron Paul.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

So, Yukon, you voting for Gary Johnson?

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

yes

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

Under Obama we have spend over 1T each year more than we have taken in. The debt is now 16T projected to be 20T in 2016 under Obama. The interest alone is now 1Billion each day. Unemployment is >8% and is likely to climb. Gas is $4/gal with this president who has impeded domestic drilling and essentially stopped the keystone pipeline. We have an estimated $100T in unfunded liabilities. This president pledged to cut the debt in half in 4 years and seems amnestic (as are his followers) as to that promise. Of course, he never misses a chance to demagogue those who would attempt to deal with it. The above is common and accepted knowledge. If you after knowing all that intend to pull the lever for President Obama I just have to ask "DO YOU HATE YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS THAT MUCH".

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Another Obama tax cut:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02/22/president-obama-signs-payroll-tax-cut

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

OMG AFChief, I just went and watched Peter Schiff's video from the DNC in Charlotte. Holy Cow!! If the Democrats are actually that stupid, yes, stupid, they are not smart enough to run a lemonaide stand, much less a country!!!! Do they not understand that without profits, there would be no economy? Without businesses, there would be no economy? Unbelievable!! And by the way, for those that would say l am just a rich republican, think again, I am a poor constitutionalist.

moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

Well, fugitiveguy my "kid" is voting for Obama and he's just fine with that because President Obama is the future. Mitt Romney is NOT. How many times do I have to say it. There's NOTHING wrong with making money, even lots of money and getting rich. Yukonjohn, did you ever think that we'd have so many BILLIONAIRES now? I never did and there's still nothing wrong with that but a HUGE responsibility comes with that. How do you like this one? Bridgewater Associates (the richest Hedge Fund in the World with the richest CEO) in Southern CT is moving it's headquarters and the State of CT is "helping" them with $125 million in TAX CREDITS. This company makes $130 BILLION a YEAR! It's sorta a BRIBE so they'll stay in CT and not move to NYC. My sister is outraged at this. She lives in the area, and knows that her Income Taxes are going for this! She is 68 yrs old and still works a FULL TIME JOB. She has to work. She's shown me their BEAUTIFUL headquaters (used to be a Dairy Farm) but with PROFITS like they make this is an outrage for the citizens of CT. These RICH are the "LET THEM EAT CAKE" Rich. Didn't work out very well for those guys in France, did it? Didn't work out that well for the Romans either. I'm just saying that there's a responsibility to those who have much and it isn't to only lavish themselves with materialistic goodies. I have a problem with millionaire athletes and actors but my son tells me they earn that kind of money because what they are able to do so well is very RARE and they should be rewarded. So you see, we don't agree on everything. A lot of people coming from other countries fugitiveguy have had to work at jobs since they were children and so have a "work ethic' even though it wasn't right for them to have had to work as children. They also seem to realize the value of a good education. We don't here in America. I believe that we need to be having kids once graduated from High School to be required to do either Military or Community Service. Their choice, and that's a simple thing we can do right now to begin a young person on their way.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Peter Schiff? This the same guy who thinks the cure for the economy is another, bigger recession?

I'm not sure this lunatic is in a position to call anyone else stupid.

AFCHIEF 8 months, 1 week ago

Clarabelle, you HAVE TO be related to DR and Moon

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"Well, fugitiveguy my "kid" is voting for Obama and he's just fine with that because President Obama is the future. Mitt Romney is NOT."

Well, thats pretty convincing I must say but I'm gonna go with the successful governor/businessman/philanthropist/family man/devout Mormon/CEO of Olympic Games. I know its a flimsy resume compared to Obama but you got to take a chance once in a while.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"I'm not sure this lunatic is in a position to call anyone else stupid."

So you don't like the guy with the microphone. That doesn't make the people that answered the questions any less stupid.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Wonder if Schiff is making YouTube videos now because he lost so much money for his clients?

The above statement is from a person who claims to have additional portfolios invested with Schiff over the past 2 years. In total (not just this portfolio), my contact says he invested $70,000 and is now down to $27,000. That is a loss of 61%. I have talked with another person who claims to be down 72%, and many others who claim 40% or more. Schiff's entire invest thesis seems to boil down to "Buy and hold foreign stocks, foreign currencies, and commodities, come hell or high water, and hold on to them." Hell has arrived for those following Peter Schiff's philosophy. Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/peter-schiff-was-wrong.html#4qHBKHLqCuAmYUWZ.99

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

" I have a problem with millionaire athletes and actors but my son tells me they earn that kind of money because what they are able to do so well is very RARE and they should be rewarded. "

Ok, so theres hope for him. So he is a capitalist when it comes to sports and entertainment. Just not with business.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

DR, when will you get around to addressing the content of the video. To forgo your blistering cross examination we will concede that he is a sorry fund manager.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Fugguy, Rethuglican operatives are famous for dishonestly edited YouTube videos. See Bretibart, Andrew and O'Keefe, James.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

And when will you get around to addressing the 25 tax cuts Obama got passed without Republican votes?

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"And when will you get around to addressing the 25 tax cuts Obama got passed without Republican votes?"

How will those tax cuts affect the national debt, how will they be paid for? Please provide me these critical details and I will give you my opinion. How do you think the crippling debt will affect our kids and grandkids. Do you have any animosity with the current administration for making it worse, esp when Obama himself correctly took Bush to the woodshed for it so many years ago.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"Fugguy, Rethuglican operatives are famous for dishonestly edited YouTube videos. See Bretibart, Andrew and O'Keefe, James."

Very predictable, don't like the content. Attack the filmmaker. BTW, have you been to see Obama's movie. I am predicting an Academy award to go along side that Nobel Prize.

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey Fugitiveguy, I havent seen the President's film, but it cannot be more funny than the Innocence of Islam!! That was hilarious!!

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Look! I can find YouTube videos of stupid Republicans too!

Stupid Republicans on Obama by GlenBeckUnAmerican

Tea Party Moron by thundernipple

JD 8 months, 1 week ago

dustyrhoades 1 hour, 25 minutes ago So, Yukon, you voting for Gary Johnson?

It's the only sane choice. He is a successful former Governor and his state ranked higher in education than Mitt's so that makes me like him more.

by JD

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

So fugguy, you want the tax cuts repealed? You want middle class taxes to go back up if they're not 'paid for"?

Like I keep saying... No consistency, no principles, no real belief other than "Democrat BAD!"

I was going to say that your only beliefs are "Democrat BAD! Republican GOOD!" But as we've seen here recently, you'll even turn on Republicans like Joe Scarborough if they're not hateful enough to suit you or if they criticize The Leader (even though you people couldn't stand Mitt Romney a year ago).

And before you go all PeeWee on me, refer to my column on sane Republicans a couple of weeks ago.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

It's the only sane choice. He is a successful former Governor and his state ranked higher in education than Mitt's so that makes me like him more.

I would encourage all the conservatives here to demonstrate their commitment to principles of low taxes and small government by voting for Gary Johnson.

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

JD, I agree. If we cannot get Ron Paul in, Gary Johnson is the next best thing. He believes in the Constitution, is a VERY successful Governor, in a very successful state. I was in NM last year for about a month, and after extensive travel there, could not find a person that disliked Gary Johnson as their Governor. He is also liked in Colorado and California due to his stand on the marijuana issue.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Rick Santorum Says "Smart People Will Never Be On Our Side".

Heh.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"But as we've seen here recently, you'll even turn on Republicans like Joe Scarborough"

I think you got me confused. Skip your aricept again?

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

What good does it do to vote for someone who has zero chance of winning. Unless of course for some reason you want Obama to win. Not much different than just voting for him. If being most qualified for the office was such a concern to the Dems President Obama would still be Senator Obama.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

But as far as criticizing other Republicans/Conservatives goes. This party allows that, we don't feel the need to constantly stick our fingers to the wind before we make up our opinion. No need to constantly sing the leaders praises like you guys. But to each his own.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Austin Lounge Lizards — "Life is Hardest When You're Dumb" by CasaDexter

A song of sympathy for Rick Santorum and his followers and for the right wing trolls of Pilotville....

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

I wonder if they will let Gary Johnson in the debates. If they did, he might win over huge amounts of people!!

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Ga-ry! Ga-ry! Ga-ry!

fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

DR, if you ever get tired of the childish bs I would appreciate you addressing the longterm consequences of the national debt that you pretended not to see in my earlier post. I expected it to be around 6T at this time yet its 16T and climbing. Will you issue yet another pass for President Obama on this failure. Please share with us why this man deserves another 4 years. I'll check back later. No silly videos please.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey, guess what, fuggy...you and I both know the way to bring the debt down--increased revenues AND cuts in spending.

You just won't admit it, because the last person to pay down the public debt was a Democrat (Bill Clinton). He also left his successor, the President Who Must Not Be Named, with a surplus that could have been used to pay it down further...and wasn't.

Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey DR, Bill Clinton, IMHO, will go down as the greatest President we have ever had, or at least one of them. I am no Democrat, but he was a favorite of mine. I did the best financially in my life under his Presidency than under any other. And, I like his loose lifestyle. If the most powerful man in the world cannot get oral sex in his office, there is something wrong. His biggest problem was lying about it. He should have just told the truth, then either worked it out with Hillary or not. I am not sure that he could even get us out of the mess we are in now though.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Yukon, I agree.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

Yokonjohn, I agree the billy was a good president, but he didnt become fiscally responsible, reform wellfare etc etc, until the contract with america. People never say it was thanks to Bill and Newt.

I think its important to point that out.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

As to the oral sex thing, my only problem was his choice in women, come on man, think Jennifer Aniston, not Monica.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

As to the videos, here is my response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgB2eeHZEw

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

What has President Obama really changed? Healthcare by glozell1

My kids will hear Obama's Speech in Public School... I voted for Obama cuz he IS BLACK! by glozell1

President Barack Obama got his Birth Certificate by Kolanda by glozell1

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

These are the people the democrats say we MUST SUPPORT! well I can understand why.....Mental Retardation is prevalent.

Dusty care to comment?

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Dang TAP, I have to agree with you on all three posts!! And, I got me some GloZell on my favorites now, I sure do!!! LMAO, I had seen her before, but dang, she is funny. Sad part is I believe that most of what she says is the absolute truth.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

I gotta get my heer done it ya no? mhmmm.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Sure I care to comment, but I already have, to wit: we can both find videos of stupid people on the Internet. So what?

Thatcher 8 months ago

A fine spokeswoman for Keynesian economics. I'd love to hear her thoughts on QE3.Cheers!

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

You know she's a comedian, right?

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

LMAO Thatcher!! I bet it will be a doozy. Hope you are having a fantastic weekend so far.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

No DR, I did not know she was a comedian. I had seen clips of her before, and just figured that she was a regular enthusiastic Obama supporter. I'm still not sure she is not. Well, off to work for a couple of hours....gotta go make sum money so she can get her some healthcare!!

Thatcher 8 months ago

Thanks Yukon! Great weekend so far. Took my lovely wife to Cary to buy a new mattress/boxsprings. Had to lay down on like 15 different beds. I could rarely tell any difference, but my wife could. We bought exactly what she wanted, although I'm not sure which one it was. Cheers!

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Heh. FYI, Stephen Colbert's not really a conservative either.

aggou 8 months ago

Have fun with Obama.

I can't say I envy you. n/t

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Her names GloZell Green. Kolanda's a character. Here's a non Obama related bit:

Tiger Woods is a Racist... by Kolanda (GloZell) by glozell1

Here's her website, which has some of the Kolanda vids on it:

http://www.glozell.com/

Looks like some of you suckers got punk'd.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

Yes dusty she sure is. And so are the rest of the libs

Thatcher 8 months ago

She's a closet conservative. No doubt.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Admit it, Ryan. You got punked. You thought it was real. Else why did you sneer:

These are the people the democrats say we MUST SUPPORT!

You know I'm not going to let you forget this, right, Ryan?

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

Im not sneering Dusty, nor am I Punked. Those videos are awesome, I love them.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Uh-huh. It was parody, and you didn't realize it.

JD 8 months ago

What good does it do to vote for someone who has zero chance of winning. Unless of course for some reason you want Obama to win. Not much different than just voting for him.

What nonsense is this? If Gary Johnson can get into the debate he would over shadow Mittens and become the choice pick for all conservatives (minus biblethumpers). If by the second part you are saying people voting for Governor Johnson will somehow help Obama win that to me is like saying votes for Nader helped Gore win. It's risky, but I believe 'we can do better' than Mitt with Gary.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

BTW just because shes a comedian does not mean she was not serious.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

BTW just because shes a comedian does not mean she was not serious

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA! That was truly pathetic.

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

Na only to you.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Oh, no, Ryan, pretty much everyone knows how badly you just FAILED, posting obvious parody videos like they were the real thing. Anyone with a lick of sense would just slink off and hope everyone would forget it...but you never had that much sense, did you, Ryan?

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months ago

lol, dusty, dusty, you know there is one really good thing about you...You are truly a funny guy. Hey at least you will always have that.

Cause you wont have any freedoms, liberties, or rights left.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

If Gary Johnson gets into the debates, it would not surprise me to see him take votes from BOTH sides. No one is very pleased that Romney is the nominee, and we have seen what we have with the President. If people start seeing what a successful governor he was, and how good NM did under his administration, maybe he does have a chance.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

Attention Pilot liberals-you are cordially invited to post on the blog entitled "which vision works for you"

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Attention Pilot liberals-you are cordially invited to post on the blog entitled "which vision works for you"

Because this thread has become a major embarrassment for Pilot conservatives.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"What nonsense is this? "

the only nonsense is a liberal trying to give election advise about the Republican nominee. I'm sure you lefties would love to stir another candidate into the mix. Thanks but I think we got this.

mcgal 8 months ago

It is a little late for a tea party, isn't it?

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"Because this thread has become a major embarrassment for Pilot conservatives."

Only in the mind of a child.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

Dusty, why are you avoiding my request for your insight on the long term effects of the national debt on our economy including how it will affect our children and future generations. Also express your feelings on the failure of the president to live up to his pledge to cut the debt in half.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Hey Fugutiveguy, I think that Gary Johnson is the only conservative guy left running for POTUS. It is a shame that the Republicans could not come up with one in the primaries.

carlj1161 8 months ago

I can sympathize with Mr. Owen's opinion. As a former Reagan Republican, this party has no resemblance to that Republican Party. It makes me sad and ashamed to even say that I once considered myself a Republican. While I am, by no means, saying the people that consider themselves moderate to liberal are perfect, the current version of the Republican party seems to be losing touch more and more every day. The current version of the Republicans are so much more obnoxious, mean, and less tolerant of other people's feelings and beliefs that it is turning them into a party that is fast becoming irrelevant. A perfect example, while driving down the street in a local community I saw a sign in someones front yard. It said "Democrats reject God" While everyone has a right to their opinion and express said opinion, that sign is a perfect example of the disrespect and obnoxiousness of the current version of Republicans. While the debate on the blasphemy of such an act is best left to religious scholars, it is certainly an arrogant and disgusting display in itself. If this is what the current version of the GOP is, then I reject it wholeheartedly. If this is the way Christians are suppose to act and it's the only way to heaven, then I choose to burn.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

Yukon, I am not against Gary Johnson. Correct me if I am wrong. Romney is the nominee. To me to change horses at this time will benefit no one except Obama. Was Johnson in any of the earlier debates? As you have stated Obama getting re elected will be an economic calamity for our nation. Hell it may happen regardless.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

" It said "Democrats reject God"

I take it you missed the convention. As much as you don't like it the sign reflects an actual vote at the convention. An embarrasing moment for the Dems. BTW, I guess you feel the Democratic party is exactly the same as it was in the days of JFK, right?

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

I know Fugutiveguy. I do feel the economy will fail very soon after the election. Especially if the President is re-elected. I also feel he has a very good chance of getting re-elected, unless he keeps messing up in this Arab fall. I would hope we would pull all of our embassy people and close our embassies around the world. Tell ex-pats that they have until (pick a date) to get on the airplane that will be at (pick a spot). If they do not make it, they are on their own. I say this knowing I have many friends that are ex-pats in many, many countries around the world. I work with world travelers that spend half the year living in many bizarre countries. We need to consider severe isolationism at this time. Ron Paul had a perfect foreign policy, but l think it is too late for that now.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

Yukon, you and I have a lot of common ground. I do not see how we can have anything that resembles normal relations with countries with people who will turn violent at the drop of a hat over any percieved slight of their religion.

moonchild7 8 months ago

It looks like Gary Johnson is polling at about 4%. Not enough to make much of a difference I don't think, since President Obama is starting to pull away from Romney in many states. Not sure either, what Johnson needs in percentages to be invited to be in the debates with Obama and Romney. I voted for Eugene McCarthy (Democrat) in 1976. He ran as an Independent but of course he lost. I just couldn't vote for Jimmy Carter then and even though I was certain McCarthy couldn't win, I've never regretted making that vote. That's what a person needs to think about REGRETS. Oh, and guys, this afternoon I was "polled" on the telephone by Gallup. Second time in two months. Interesting questions but of course my answers were always for the President. Profitman, you are stupid, sorry but true.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Well, l lost that other comment, so if it reappears, sorry. Yes, Fugitiveguy, we do have much common ground. I sure hope we are wrong about the future, although l have very little confidence in our President handling this current crisis. And we need to quit sending money to contries that hate us and want us dead. If we quit bombing them, killing them, and sending drones over them and just leave, maybe we wont have to fight them right this minute.

I think Gary Johnson might surprise many, seeing how there are no very popular candidates this cycle. I know you dont think that MC7, but that is what l perceive. Hope ya'll have a great night, it is warm and windy here tonight. Best Wishes

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

P.S. One thing that l am certain about. We need to quit this bickering to the point of hatred. This world we live in is going to take us all pulling together much better than we are now so our Great Nation will survive. God, I hope it is not too late.

JD 8 months ago

the only nonsense is a liberal trying to give election advise about the Republican nominee. I'm sure you lefties would love to stir another candidate into the mix. Thanks but I think we got this.

As far as I can tell Fugly, DRjr is the only liberal raising up Governor Johnson. Yukon and I seem to agree on the positive aspects of his time in office . I know you bicker just to do so, but some actually want o see these boards and the country do better. What's the matter Fugly don't think "We can do better?"

SH59 8 months ago

carlj1161, I agree with you, "the current version of the Republican party seems to be losing touch more and more every day. The current version of the Republicans are so much more obnoxious, mean, and less tolerant of other people's feelings and beliefs that it is turning them into a party that is fast becoming irrelevant."

I used to be a Republican too and have become Unaffiliated for the same reasons. I think both parties have gone too far leaving many of us frustrated. Either it's time for this country to establish a third party or we take out the most extreme platforms from each of the existing parties. It's getting ridiculous.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

JD-we already have a participant who does the insults and gives others silly little names. As far as bickering goes, you may want to go back and review your own as I see its clearly the pot calling the kettle black. If you want to be to talk issues, lets talk issues. If all you can do is be a jerk I'll ignore you just like another poster whose only purpose seems to stir up excrement. This election will be won by Obama or Romney. Introducing a little known third party (no matter how great he might be) I believe will only help Obama win. Now maybe he's your lesser of 2 evils. I couldn't disagree more strongly. If Gary Johnson is as good as advertised maybe he is the man of the future.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"The current version of the Republicans are so much more obnoxious, mean, and less tolerant of other people's feelings and beliefs that it is turning them into a party that is fast becoming irrelevant."

Could you provide some detail as to how I may understand this. I just don't see it. On the other hand how does the modern Democratic party stack up to their predecessors? Anyone?

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

I did address the debt, fuggy, and how to solve it. You just didn't like the answer. Which I knew you wouldn't. And I knew you'd pretend you hadn't heard it so you can keep beating that old dead horse about how I'm avoiding an issue I just schooled you on.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

I just don't see it.

None so blind as those who will not see, fuggy. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just willfully obtuse and not brain damaged.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

DR, you didn't address it in any substantive way, I know it, you know it and the others on here know it. The only question is why not? Why would a highly educated professional man like yourself chose to be such a closed minded insult spewing (not very creative insults at that) partisan hack. Why not dazzle the readers with those skills you posess that have been finely honed in the courtroom. You continually get your handslapped and instead of self examination and modifying your approach you just double down and criticize those who would attempt to correct you. My request for your take on the deficit and Obama's failure to address it remains to be answered. I think we all know why.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

In fuggy World, failure to parrot back exactly what he wants to hear is avoiding the question. Sadly for fuggy, this is the real world, where I did address your question, and where you're becoming extremely tedious.

Toda 8 months ago

Good stuff ~ DRjr. Keep the conserves on their heals until POTUS'O is sworn-in again. Romney's latest is a commercial about all those jobs POTUS'O sent to China. Not one word about the jobs Bain sent to China and India. IYOGI is indebted to Romney and Bain Capital.

SH59 8 months ago

fugitiveguy, to try to answer your question and without trying to start another conversation about religion, the Republicans have brought religion to the forefront of all issues. This was never the way of the Republican platform in the past and in fact this country tried very hard not to have any opinion in the political sense based on religion.

In the US treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797 our government states: " Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Ever since 9/11 the Republicans have been pushing hard to use the Bible as their answer for everything not unlike the Muslims basing their laws on the Koran. This was never a dominate issue with their platform until now and has caused the appearance of hate and intolerance dividing this country.

Governments are meant to make laws for all the people irregardless of their faith or lifestyle without prejudice to be fair and equal to all. This concept has changed in the Republican platform and is causing a serious social rift in the American population making it impossible for our government to do their work. the Message "anyone but Obama" is the motivation of the Republican party deterring their focus on who they were elected to serve and resulting in a party of hate and not a party for the American citizens.

I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of things to counter what I'm saying but this is one explanation as to why people are getting so upset and changing their party affiliation.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"Hey, guess what, fuggy...you and I both know the way to bring the debt down--increased revenues AND cuts in spending"

I asked for DR to express his thoughts on the long term effects of the debt, specifically how it will impact our children and future generations? I also asked him to expound on any dissapoinment he might feel toward the President for failing to live up to his campaign promise of cutting the deficit in half. The above represents his "response". DR is very quick with the insults and cut downs but he is increasingly short on substance. I am embarrassed for him. I didn't expect him to say anything negative about the president for he'd sooner cut off his pinky but I think the first part is a fair question that a man of his education and experience should be able to handle.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"Ever since 9/11 the Republicans have been pushing hard to use the Bible as their answer for everything not unlike the Muslims basing their laws on the Koran"

I do not think the above is accurate. Citing a treaty well over 200 years old? How the heck did you come across that? History buff? Christian influence in the Republican party, of course there is, to make a comparison with modern day Muslims is a big stretch. I refer you to modern day events as proof. Thanks for responding. I just disagree.

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Thanks, Toda.

I note that fuggy's still being petulant because I answered his question in a way he didn't like (even as he ignores every point I've made). Weak.

SH59 8 months ago

fugitiveguy, Many people say that we have moved away from the intentions of the Founding Fathers. The treaty of Tripoli is only 20 years after our constitution was created and signed and is an example of what our Founding Fathers thought. This is not some obscure treaty but evidence that Religion was not prevalent in our law making until recently.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

And, with me, the Republicans have lost me becuase of the religion issue, the far right "mindset" on the stupid drug war, the abortion issue, (although I wish there were never even ONE more abortion in our world), being all about big money, big GOVT. money. If one takes Ron Paul's Constitutional stand and compare it with the republicans.....then that is where the rub is....modern day Republicans say they want little govt., govt.. out of our lives, out of our houses.....AS LONG AS YOU ARE LIVING RIGHT!!!! Well, I don't buy into that.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

And the foreign policy of BOTH parties is in shambles. We should get out of all these countries we are in....quit intervening in stuff all over the world, NOT be the world policeman....go back to the Monroe Doctrine and be isolationist.

Toyboy52 8 months ago

A's Barry Goldwater said, "Extremism I'n the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation I'n the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Those who criticize conservative Republicans because they believe that people should have contraception but it should not be free ( paid using other people's money) do not know "it's later than you think".

dustyrhoades 8 months ago

Extremism I'n the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation I'n the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater, right? I seem to remember he lost. Badly. 486 Electoral votes to 52. 38.4% of the popular vote.

He also told his party shortly before his death: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."

Pappy 8 months ago

Mr Owens...glad to see you go !!

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Citing a treaty well over 200 years old? How the heck did you come across that?

Fugitiveguy, you know we have a good deal of "common ground", but I have a question. What do you think of the Constitution/Bill of Rights? You know, it is a "old" document also. Personally, I think it has served us well.

geoffcutler 8 months ago

Yukon, The problem with your vision for our foreign policy is that terrorism has now visited us on our shores. (And more recently, our embassies.) How exactly, once we pull everyone out of these countries we are in, will your foreign policy react/respond when the next terrorist bombs visit us?

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"What do you think of the Constitution/Bill of Rights? You know, it is a "old" document also. Personally, I think it has served us well."

Something else we have in common. I am a Mark Levin conservative, are you familiar?

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Well, Geoff, After spending time in Saudi Arabia back in the 70s, I have been a firm believer that we will have to fight a Christian/Islamic war someday. Maybe that day is very near. I will never forget coming home on leave and telling my folks that we need to drop Israel like a "hot potato". They were without speech. I think we need to drop all of them and let them sort it out. If we get bombed from Al Quada, send a tactical nuke into Riyadh, Damascus, Tehran and Kabul and tell the rest of them, "Do you get the message?" Then we pull back to our borders and wait. If it happens again, well, l guess that will be pretty much the end of it for humanity as we know it.

fugitiveguy 8 months ago

"And, with me, the Republicans have lost me becuase of the religion issue, the far right "mindset" on the stupid drug war, the abortion issue, (although I wish there were never even ONE more abortion in our world), being all about big money, big GOVT. money."

I find there is far more latitude in differing opinions in the Republican party. It doesn't seem so based on these boards with the Democrats. Religion and religious symbolism has been being driven out of any and all things government for as long as I can remember. I sure can't say that we are any better for it. This comes from someone who hasn't attended church in over 2 years.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

Yes, I listen to "the great one" most afternoons on the way home from work. I do not agree with him on many things, but just like with you....him and l share alot of "common ground"

geoffcutler 8 months ago

So... I see we're on the same page. I don't think we have to dump Israel, though. Good answer.

Yukonjohn 8 months ago

And Geoff, I really would like to say, while l spent many of the best years of my life serving my country, in my older age, l am ALOT less militaristic. I work on an Army base, and cherish every soldier, sailor, airman, marine, and coast guard person that are volunteering the lives for our Nation, but I never want to see them put in "harms way" except as a last resort. At the same time, we MUST have the most powerful military in the world, period. Does that make ANY sense?

geoffcutler 8 months ago

It's not militaristic at all. It's following events to their logical conclusions. No-one wants it...but it's inevitable.

Toyboy52 8 months ago

@dusty: Regarding Barry Goldwater we said " I'n your heart you know he's right". Barry's defeat by Lyndon Johnson set the stage for the beginning of the Welfare State. But luckily, it also set the stage for Ronald Regan and, along with William F. Buckley who made the modern conservative movement a reality The defeat of Barry Golwater was not the end, but the beginning of a movement that values the individual rather than the state. It truly asks not what my country must do for me and tries to make sure my government does nothing to me.

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