Some Assumptions About November
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There are several assumptions about the upcoming election that appear to me to be accurate, and, taken together, would seem to dictate a Romney victory. Yet the polls do not agree. See what you think:
Assumption 1: Nobody who voted for John McCain in 2008 is going to vote for Barack Obama in 2102. This is to me akin to saying that the Earth revolves around the sun. I suppose there may be an outlier or two out there somewhere, but statistically speaking, this one is unassailable.
Assumption 2: The Democratic turnout will be lighter than in 2008. They’re trying hard; they’re spending a fortune on television, and the president is wearing out Air Force One, but enthusiasm is lacking.
Assumption 3: Minority support will be weaker. You’ll get some argument here. Clearly, for reasons that often seem counterintuitive to me, the Democrats command the majority of minority voters, and that minority is itself rapidly becoming the majority. Nevertheless, because of the turnout issue if nothing else, there will not be as much support as in 2008. There is also at least anecdotal evidence that Republicans are making very slow and painful progress with this community.
Assumption 4: Romney won the first debate. Nobody observing with even a hint of objectivity will dispute that. The question is: To what effect? It would seem that Romney’s performance has invigorated Republicans and the president’s has demoralized Democrats. But: It was only the first debate. Will that result be maintained, or can Mr. Obama turn things around?
Assumption 5: The country is in a precarious condition. Until recently, nobody seemed to notice. Maybe it was the debate, maybe the never-ending incompetence of Congress, maybe the desperation of the Fed.
Whatever the reason, commentators, and presumably at least some voters, have noticed the impending fiscal cliff and our dire financial state, and are beginning to think we need to do things differently. That sense ought to translate into some Romney votes, however reluctantly.
Still, the polls indicate at least a very close race, and they usually lean toward the incumbent. Maybe the critics are right and the pollsters are asking Democrats loaded questions to produce the results they want, or, maybe the polls are accurate, or as accurate as any small sample can be.
This election has been such a tedious and boring and irrelevant process that everybody may well stay home. If it were possible to vote for “none of the above,” offices might stand empty throughout the land. Still, somebody is going to win.
It seems to me that if you filter the lists of likely voters through a screen of widespread malaise, the challengers to the status quo ought to have an edge, even if it arises from default rather than enthusiasm. That may not be the ideal way to run an election or a country, but that is where we are.
It seems unlikely that we will be overwhelmed with information and plans in the next couple of weeks. We will suffer more of what we’ve been watching, probably with increased enthusiasm on the Republican side.
To the extent that my assumptions have validity, Mr. Romney and his downstream counterparts ought to have a better chance than is generally acknowledged to pull this thing out.
Whoever wins is going to be faced with a nearly impossibly difficult situation. Crisis is an overused word, but it is not too strong here. You would think that, after nearly four years of unsatisfactory results, voters would be ready for something different; that “hope and change” still has meaning — it just requires a new cast of characters.
Fred Wolferman lives in Southern Pines. Contact him by email at fwolferman@sbcglobal.net.
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Easygoing 7 months, 1 week ago
Well it seems that either Romney or Obama have the same set of problems. 1.) A health system that needs major overhaul (and the Affordable care act could use some changes to make it more like the rest of the civilized world's universal health care systems), 2. A tax system that favors the rich and powerful and that is causing increasing income disparity. 3.) a runaway military spending program where we are spending more than the rest of the world combined to create killing machines that are inappropriate for future challenges, 4.) An entitlement system where the half that really need the social safety net are being categorized with the welfare culture group who have no or little incentive to get off the public dole, 5. A country that is using natural resources at a pace that is unsustainable in the long run. 6. A country with no shared sense of purpose or sacrifice, its all about me and I win you lose. 7,) A media that treats political campaign as a football game endlessly reporting on who will win and who will lose, not as a chance for us all to rationally discuss issues and air potential solutions and build consensus, its all a big game to them and they essentially promote partisanship and hate. These and many other challenges will not be solved with the current (or the candidates) for congress. The reality is they have been bought with big money and influence. The President is almost inconsequential in this scenario without a real leader who can bring us together for a shared vision of where we want to go. Neither seems capable at this point. Discussing who will "win" or "lose" is the wrong discussion, the country is losing and no one seems to be winning. Sorry this seems so down but its really hard to extract positives from these campaigns.
justpassingby2 7 months, 1 week ago
obama has proven that he can't lead and romney appears that he can't lead. Good luck!
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
obama has proven that he can't lead and romney appears that he can't lead. now you are getting it, vote Gary and let's start on the long game of breaking the two party system.
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skylinefirepest 7 months, 1 week ago
A vote for anyone but Romney or obama is a wasted vote...especially if the intent is to get rid of the liar in chief!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
When they finish counting the 10 votes for Gary, we should be well on the way to breaking down the two party system. Lord, not even Moon's this far out.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Get on the boat Geoff even Pestilence is seeing the light that Romney isn't the great white hope you want him to be. And your insulting posts only show you for the hypocrite you are when calling others out who say far less inflammatory things. But then again you are a 'proud' Christian. I wouldn't expect any less of a follower of Jesus (he-sus).
romney appears that he can't lead.
Romney or obama is a wasted vote...
Sup Geoff even the usual suspects have changed opinions. Or is this your poor attempt at trolling. Nice to bring MC7 up preacher. Such a fine, fine Christian hypocrite. Of course is there any other?
Spocks_Brain 7 months, 1 week ago
The current path, that of endless prosperity, and taking up any means to guarantee such, is the real culprit. No matter who is in charge will continue to be under pressure to flood the markets with paper money and continue the drive to zero interest rates....and we are close now, and the other currencies are starting to collapse...low interest rates are enabling the government(s) to borrow forever, and cause in many quarters deflation and in many quarters sever inflation at the same time...simul atque..the real risk then is money that becomes totally worthless to 'store' and an exhausted consumer...
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Oops...apparently I've offended JD. A thousand pardons. I'll have to give Gary another look. Thanks for the advice. Sorry to you too, Moon. I guess being a Christian (news to me) has turned me into a hypocrite. Hope you'll give Gary a second look too.
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
geoff-- I gave Gary a first look, then a second look, when he was running as a Republican. My looks took about 3 minutes. Don't be suprised if those here who claim to support Gary actually are Obama supporters. Just take a look at their posts. Cheers!
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Christian (news to me) has turned me into a hypocrite
Doing the opposite of what you preach Geoff is what makes you a hypocrite.
Oh boy Thatcher is here to troll and shut down the thread. I know DRjr speaks well of Gary, but really I believe it is time to let neo-cons do what they want, Moderate Republicans can get their party back, and 'socialists' can break and let Democrats have fun running their own group into the ground.
All in all if you are a supporter of the two party system and see no reason to change it... well I bet you think Dinosaur bones are from the Devil to confuse us Thatcher.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
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geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Thanks, T....T was I being insulting to JD? I thought I was just poking a little fun and he got really mad and the next thing, he started taking it out on Jesus...and all because I said that Gary somebody probably wasn't going to get enough votes to tear down our two party system. I mean, gee willikers! What do you think about the whole thing, T? Jesus and I are hypocrites? Gary somebody for president? Give us the straight dope!
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Give us the straight dope!
Sorry hippy try to get off the dope before posting. In fact leave it alone period, what would He-sus think if he knew you were a drug addict Geoff Cutler? You liberals and your drugs Geoff when will you ever learn? I would try to translate the rest of that last post of yours, but Google doesn't do idiot to English.
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Ooh...now I feel insulted. Don't you mean dope to English?
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
geoff-- Great to hear from you! Here's the way I look at it. Start with "...I bet you think Dinosaur bones are from the Devil to confuse us Thatcher." Does this sound like a libertarian? Would Andrew S. ever post such nonsense, or YukonJohn? No. Andrew and Yukon are thoughtful, and while I often disagree with their points, they are both respectful here. I suspect that the rest have made themselves fake libertarian plants, who are really liberal Democrats who desire to try to divide Republicans and conservatives. To me, their efforts are as transparent as they are futile. I pay no attention to them, because they warrant no attention. Cheers my friend!
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
by The_AnonymusProfit
Wasnt able to upload this earlier jd
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
I suspect that the rest have made themselves fake libertarian plants, who are really liberal Democrats who desire to try to divide Republicans and conservatives. To me, their efforts are as transparent as they are futile. I pay no attention to them, because they warrant no attention.
You are such a nut Thatcher, Maybe your liberal friend Geoff will share his dope with you. I mean you dopers love conspiracies!
Yea I saw the blank and failed attempt at using the internet TAP. Well save mine and we will compare on the 7th. Let's see who is closer to correct.
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Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
JD (8 min. ago)-- Your post is disgusting. To call a commentator here those vile things is, well, what you do. You should be ashamed of yourself.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
They really aren't Thatcher or they would be removed. You are a thin skinned prude who just discovered the internet. To date I have only had one post removed and it is because I quoted a vile comment from your friend Behan that was removed with his original post. However, looking at everyone else on this board has had comments removed for violating the usage agreement here and there, you included. So every time you point a finger three more come back at you Thatcher. And that's what you do.
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
its in the above post JD 321 to 201 Romney with 16 I cant quite put yet
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
Sorry JD, the only time I had posts here removed is when I asked DR and another poster to calm down, and asked each to stop their vile posts. The Pilot removed our three posts, and banned DR and the other poster. Nice try. But you knew that already.
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
The "third pary candidate idea is not good! Think about it, the socialist have Obama in the White House right now. This doesn't happen often but the trend in our country is toward socialism... He will lose this election but that trend remains.... Vote Mitt to start the trend the other way then vote your boy in JD..... If you don't listen to this then the socialism trend continues..... Is that what you want?
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
Yes.
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
JD when you tell another person you're going to spam their Email, you're gonna get flaged for removal.... AND YA THAT WAS ME WHO SENT THAT IN.......
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
I'm still right Thatcher your tears do not help your case. You have said things that violated the usage agreement and have been removed. I don't care what your purpose was and if they were removed, obviously, someone at the Pilot with Mod abilities saw fit to remove them. Whereas I have had one and it was just an italicized quote. But you knew that and still put on a front. Again ask Geoff to share and his stash with you and you might calm down some.
TAP compare it to mine and you will remove the extra 16. Also again we will compare later. But being a betting man I will put my fantasy football perfect record on the line calling this one. What you got for bragging rights?
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
JD when you tell another person
ITT: someone that doesn't understand the internet, baidu web spiders, picking email out of html, or has read what is acceptable to post. Saying I gave the e-mail to spammers does not qualify as a bad post because Ryan put it out on a public forum. No different than pinning it to the wanted board in downtown SP. Fun night on the Pilot I wonder when this is getting locked?
fugitiveguy 7 months, 1 week ago
JD is full of crap regarding Thatcher and also about Gary Johnson. He took the lib line for as long as I can remember. He appeals to the gullible and foolish when it comes to Gary Johnson. If you want Obama to win, vote Obama or Johnson, it is essentially the same.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
crap regarding Thatcher and also about Gary Johnson.
This insulting liberal Fugly. It's ok I know you can't do any better than name call it's what you Liberals do. I know you and Thatcher are plants that are here to make conservatives look like bible thumping, romney loving idiots. But it's ok I will hold the conservative flag high and hopefully its nourishing light will melt your icy liberal heart Fugly.
by JD
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
JD don't put words in here I never said you gave an email to anyone..... But you did say you were going to SPAM his email..... get it straight.......
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
JD, I have no tears, and you are wrong...and intentionally so. Ask any poster here, "Who's more respectful...JD or Thatcher?" I'll have to decline your request that geoff share his stash with me. Again, this is what you do.
fugitiveguy 7 months, 1 week ago
I didn't call you a name DR, Jr, I simply called bs on your silly game. You aren't going to start trolling me again are you? Thatcher and Geoff typically demonstrate very civil posting on here, I attempt to follow suit most of the time. You could do the same and be welcomed into the fold despite our differing opinions. Don't be mad because you were figured out so easily, it was way too transparent.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Enjoy the spam I signed you up for. =/= I never said you gave an email to anyone..... But you did say you were going to SPAM his email.
Small son are you illiterate? Signing him up doesn't make me the spammer. The folks that send the email are the spammers. And again still not a violation when Ryan puts it out there on a forum rather than a private email to the editors. Try harder...
I didn't call you a name DR, Jr, I simply called bs on your silly game. Your playing checkers by yourself.
Ask any poster here,
Could care less what you or any other internet anon thinks. That's your tear inducing hangup. The question to ask is "Who has had more posts removed? JD or Thatcher?" Answer: Thatcher! Cheers!
Oh boy time for dinner. Ok kiddies get a few more in before the thread is locked and I will get to them after dinner and a movie. You know stimulating that local economy. See you soon Anons!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
JD, it would seem you're not versed in slang. Dope as in information, poop, scuttlebutt...wait...you used dope, cannabis, marijuana, hemp, Maybe you do know slang. Did you notice the third usage? Dope, idiot, dolt, moron? Slang, just slang.
Now, back to the topic at hand. One must be smoking dope to vote for Gary whatever his name is...probably because he hasn't gotten the dope that the guy's not going to get elected, and even if he did, it wouldn't bring down our two party system, therefore, one must be a.... I'd never say it. That would be insulting.
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
fugitiveguy-- This is what happens when supposed "libertarians" are exposed for being what they really are...angry liberals. Real libertarians would never say the things he does, or post the pictures he does. He's already lost, because of his own posts. Cheers to you my friend!
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
Small no but you are...... Could you please repost that first sentnce again for our amusement???? Please!!!!!!! Here is the deal and this from me and not the pilot at all..... Adult talk beware!!!!
If you wanna bust someones balls then do it here..... But when someones comment or post here and it causes them problems outside this site thats a violation..... Do you get that?
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
My bragging rights? I have picked the president correctly since 1992 and since deciding have picked both the last 3 vps correctly.
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
JD?
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
ITT:
Aberdeeniac: Angry White Knight shedding tears and still doesn't understand how the usage agreement works or even bothered to read it before clicking ok. Look it up and copy and paste what I violated if you are on such a crusade of rage. Did you get that?
TAP: So nothing. Glad you picked Clinton and Gore. What a nice liberal you must have been. Oh and I'm doing this off my phone. Upgrades are out there if you can afford it.
Thatcher and his smokin buddy Geoff Cutler: Trolling the board nothing to see here.
Hurry up and get all that rage out small sons. Movie starts in an hour and after seeing White Knight Aberdonian getting testy before bed we have to hurry before the thread gets locked. Ok be checking in soon. I know how much you crave my attention.
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
The post of a Libertarian? Cheers!
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
I didnt vote for them JD I just picked them to win. So I would say my picking political winners trumps your FANTASY football, you no there are doers and watchers, you seem to be a watcher.
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
JD LOL that goes back to the days of Moral or Legal...... Thats to funny..... I'll be back in town next Friday, care for a beer? Just name the time and place bro.....
Aberdeeniac 7 months, 1 week ago
I knew JD would not take me up on the offer...... Oh well...... I hope I did not violate any terms and conditions by offering JD a chance to chat in person about our political views........
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
JD, so far the only anger I've seen, comes from you.
Thatcher 7 months, 1 week ago
Oh great geoff! You've now provoked him to post another Obama picture! Libertarians do that. Cheers!
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
geoffcutler 1 hour, 21 minutes ago JD, so far the only anger I've seen, comes from you. Upvote0 Reply ↵Suggest removal Thatcher 1 hour, 6 minutes ago Oh great geoff! You've now provoked him to post another Obama picture! Libertarians do that. Cheers!
LOL an echo chamber of trolling. Maybe if these two can convince themselves they are not ignorant trolls they will sleep better at night.
Thats to funny..... I'll be back in town next Friday, care for a beer? Just name the time and place bro.....
Brohan, Bromigo, Bromage sure if you are buying. . Maybe that dope Thatcher and Geoff Cutler are smoking will get passed to you too and that passive aggressive rage will settle.
I didnt vote for them JD I just picked them to win. So I would say my picking political winners trumps your FANTASY football, you no there are doers and watchers, you seem to be a watcher.
Could someone translate this nonsense? I was setting up a bragging rights wager based on our charts. You some how extrapolated that into calling me a "watcher of football" No kidding TAP so what you run down to the field and ask coach to put you in? Oh wait your mad cause your phone sucks. kkthxbye
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fugitiveguy 7 months, 1 week ago
JD, why are you so angry, why the need to lash out? This is not good. You throw your stones then are shocked and angered when someone fires a spitball at you. Last week (or the week before) I was your target. Now you have an axe to grind with 2 of the most respectful and articulate among us. You are wrong here, you need a reset, a cooling off period. You sound an awful lot like someone else Thatcher tried to extend an olive branch to. Give it some thought.
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 1 week ago
@JD Im not sure how you got to what you just said but what you just said makes about as much sense as what was said before about the previous statement eluding to the current response that I am making to you quid pro quo....
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Give it some thought.
Take your own advice?
TAP That statement looked like you tried, but I found it droll. Either way, do you not enjoy the NFL and the fun side activities that come with it? Or do you not enjoy sports unless you can play in them as implied by your previous convoluted remark? Don't know why you hate fantasy football and want to demean someone who enjoys it (along with a large portion of the USA). Congrats on your politico guesses you still aren't going to write for the Pilot anywhere but in comments and we won't know whose map is right for a few weeks more.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
I don't care so much about trolls, but I do love this country. As I see it, it is going down. No matter who wins, Romney or Obama, they are two candidates cut from the same cloth. They are both bought and paid for by big media/business. The two party system will never get us out of this situation, ever. It will take either the country failing and patriots picking up the pieces, or a third/fourth party candidate to win and start the process. It will be difficult, the aforementioned big media/business will probably not allow a candidate that will not bow to them to survive long enough to get anything done. They say that 200 yrs is a long time for a republic to last, it looks like our time has come. Get ready for that interesting ride.
JD 7 months, 1 week ago
Thank you Yukon,
I am sure there are those above on this board that may critisize you in your understanding of the flawed two party system. I appreciate you speaking up and hopefully the trolls here will learn something.
by JD
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Yukon, Do not many of the European countries now dragging down the world economy have 3 and 4 party systems? I don't get the point that somehow it is our two party system that's failing us when failure has already occurred in places with more than two parties???
MikeNC 7 months, 1 week ago
Rand and Ron have a "what" after their names? "R". If a third, fourth, or even 5 th party came in, the leader they chose would ALSO be "molded and groomed" by both the party and their backers. The three things I can not agree on with Libertarians:
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
The two party dictatorship. I'd rather throw away my vote with good intention than to intentionally perpetuate insanity.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
Geoff, The problem I have with the (pick a number) political system is that when the candidates are all bought and paid for with the same money, they can only be beholden to those interest. Is it not true that big corps. pay to BOTH parties? They make sure that their interest are covered. It is very smart on their part. We need a candidate that is not paid for by these interest. It will be hard for them to survive, and l mean that literally, but if the secret service is impartial, and does their job well like they do, then that person might, and l say might, be able to change things. I personally do not believe that the two party system will allow a candidate that could win outside of their system to live. Thus, l see our country is going to go down, and l am heartbroken over it.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
oh, and l agree Packwilleat!!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Okay Yukon, but Ron Paul ran on the Republican ticket, and I understand exactly what you're saying...but America doesn't. They can't even see that another 4 years of Obama could be the crushing blow. So how are they going to see Paul as the solution? We don't need better Ron Paul's, or Ron Paul's that can win nominations, we need better Republicans who can articulate the issues and what is currently happening to us and what's at stake. Like Reagan. When Paul starts talking foreign policy, or entitlements, like I think Diane mentioned on here, he loses most of the electorate. We need to fix what we've have rather than destroy the whole, and hope that out of the ashes we can rebuild. Romney's not the perfect candidate, but he represents a far better direction for the country than the one we're on...one that I only recognize from history and distant shores.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
Geoff, Thanks for the very civil and thought-out response. I do understand how that appears to be the case. With a couple of things; Ron Paul did run on the Rep. ticket, but you see how they dismissed him. Kinda like your goofy uncle Joe that no one wants to discuss. I think he could have drawn many from both parties, due to the unhappiness with BOTH candidates, but you are most probably right about most not wanting anything to do with shutting off the free money, and disassembling/eliminating many programs. One of those programs would be my Dept. Ron Paul wanted to get rid of the Dept. of the Interior, and it could have cost me my job. I am close to retiring, so it might not affect me so bad, but l feel that some of these measures will ultimately have to be done to get the budget balance. It's just a mess, and l am so afraid that we are going to find that we have to rebuild out of the ashes. It will be a very ugly time if/when that ever happens!!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
I hope you'll throw your vote to Romney even though it's not your first choice. At least with him, there will be no ashes from which to rebuild. He will begin, as hard as it is going to be, to reverse the incredible damage done in just the last four years.
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
I just don't see how voting for the original author of Obamacare will change anything. The only thing he will change about Obamacare is the name, Romneycare. R&R have already voiced the need for more wars and expanding our foreign influence. I find it amazing that Republicans are drinking the kool-aid just as the Dem's did in '08. If we are to better America we're gonna need to better our choices and strengthen our founding principles. If government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
Packwilleat, we feel the exact same about this. Sorry Geoff, but I think it is not Romney, it is the Republican party and their platform. Big govt is big govt, no matter what party has it. Packwill eat is right, the Republican party are war mongers, and big spenders, and it does seem that somehow it all ends up with a scant few people having all the power/money. We are, at some point in time, going to have to face the real problems our nation has, and do something about them. Our whole policies, with and R or a D in front of them are in shambles!!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
You really aren't going to get much argument from me when it comes to the overwhelming government intrusion into our lives by both Dems, and to a lesser extent, Republicans as well. The libertarian alternative is for the most part a good one. But we've got to work within the framework that currently exists until such a time as the electorate is ready for a Ron Paul, or a Gary Johnson. That's just the way it is, and Romney is clearly a closer choice to the libertarians than Obama. Can we at least agree on that?
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
It depends on what Romney you're talking about, the closet liberal or the dog and pony show republican.
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
I guess we can't agree, then. Libertarians are not going to be elected this year. But Obama might be re-elected if Libertarians split off too much of the vote. That's good for no-one.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
Yes, Geoff, even l agree with you on that point!! I am very concerned what is going to happen with our country, but l guess we are just along for the ride. Hope you have a good day, we are supposed to get our first "good" snow today and for the next few days. Maybe even a half foot.
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
Yukon, I saw today something about how Obama is touting his energy policies (gas here in SP about $3.89 a gallon, while his department of the Interior has shut down another pipeline in your state. This after the Keystone shut down. How many people in Alaska will be affected by this, I wonder? Do you use a shovel or snowblower to dig out? Take care!
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
I had not heard that about Obama shutting down a pipe here. We have been trying to get a gas line since l got here in 81, and l dont think we are a bit closer today than then!! It is big oil though, and they pawns in govt. that keep us in place. We will just go along with them and feed off their scraps, that is the way they want it. I do not hold much hope in our state govt either, but we are MUCH closer to our govt here than in other places!! We know our politicians, and we hold their feet to the fire every chance we get or they are not too happy when we are at an even together, and their constituients hammer the crap out of them in public!! We use a plow, and we plow (hopefully) a few times a winter. Sometimes it is like once every few days, but we are a pretty arid area here in the interior. In the spring, we have a front end loader come in and take up the half foot or so of "hardpack" so our drives will dry off nicely. Hope you have a great day, its off to work for me.
Courseaire 7 months, 1 week ago
Do you use a shovel or snowblower to dig out? Neither, Alaskan's hibernate.
Yukonjohn 7 months, 1 week ago
oh, and l just filled up yesterday...4.19 a gallon.
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
I like that, C. This invariable mess always needs some good humor.
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
"A 3rd party vote, is a vote for Obama."
I love that line. What better way to keep us shackled to a two(one) party system. Someone really needs to make a propaganda poster with that phrase on it.
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
What do you think it is, if not a vote for Obama?
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
An act of civil disobedience. A true message that states "we the people" are the ones that control our government, not the other way around. They are up there in D.C. laughing themselves to tears right now, saying "look, after all we've stripped from them, they think voting for the other party is going to save them" hahahahahaha! Suckers!!
geoffcutler 7 months, 1 week ago
While you're probably right about DC pols. how does a vote for Gary not end up as a vote for Obama? You haven't answered the question, even though your comment is probably true.
packwilleat 7 months, 1 week ago
I get your premise. It wouldn't be a wasted vote if more people didn't take heed to this type of brainwashing. So sure a vote to 3rd party is partially wasted. But remember this.... A vote for Romney, is a vote for big government.