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I am responding to Glenda Clendenin, the director of elections in Moore County: Driver’s licenses and Social Security cards are not valid identification documents to be a voter.
Anyone can get a driver’s license and a Social Security card. Do you want non-U.S. citizens to be voters in our country?
Let me tell a story about myself.
I came to this country 45 years ago as a legal resident, and the day after my arrival, I went with an interpreter to a Social Security office in New Jersey to get my Social Security card so that I could get a job.
A week or so later, also in New Jersey, I acquired my driver’s license in Spanish because I didn’t speak English. Now this means, in less than five years before I became a U.S. citizen, I could be a voter?
What I see is a voting law being violated by legal and illegal immigrants. What is wrong with getting a valid picture ID with fingerprints? Prior to getting my citizenship, I was fingerprinted, something which many U.S.-born citizens never have done.
What I see is that we are going to elect a president by people who should not vote. I am not a Republican or Democrat. I am an independent voter, and I see the two-party system corrupted by the big money and lobbyists.
Victor Fernandes
Aberdeen
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JimHeim 7 months, 2 weeks ago
The author of this letter should acquaint himself with all of the voter laws of North Carolina before writing such an ignorant letter. It is unreasonable to expect the entire 1,500 page-plus code of election laws to be detailed in a short column.
There is a multi-stage process to verify that a voter is qualified to voted from a particular address and such fraud, though rare, is a felony.
The_AnonymusProfit 7 months, 2 weeks ago
The Author of this letter is much more knowledgeable then JimHeim who is in fact a Moron.
OldPilot 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Neither a S/S card nor a drivers license allows one to vote. Having come from "down south" I have seen way too many people securing drivers licenses when they are unable to read nor speak/understand english. Their primacy of controls: 1) horn; 2) accelerator; 3) finger. Broad generalization? Yes! Truth? Absolutely! "The_AnonymusProfit" can't spell and he and the author of this letter (things were different in 1967) obviously doesn't, isn't bright enough or refuses to understand or admit that non-citizen voting is statistically a non-event, on the order of single digits among millions of ballots. So spare us, please!
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Thank you Mr. Fernandes for sharing some of your story openly. Also thank you for your hard work and desire to be an American. You are obviously proud to be an American and we are happy to have you. In answer to your question about what is wrong with having an ID card in order to vote...absolutely nothing is wrong with that. It should be a no brainer, but the Democratic party considers it a form of voter suppression. Imagine that. All the various things we need to produce a valid picture ID card in order to do...and we can elect the President of the United States without one. It's nuts....Mike
JimHeim 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Every photo ID law that's been challenged in court has lost so far. Looks like Jim Crow isn't as popular as in days of old.
And the wingers still can't show that voter impersonation actually happens.
skylinefirepest 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Jimmy, can't you tell the truth at all??? The wingers can and HAVE shown that voter impersonation happens....unfortunately the Liberals count those as votes for Progressives and therefore are not willing to take any steps to insure the honesty of the vote!! You should be ashamed, Jimmy Heim!!
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Jim Heim is not ashamed skyline, but I agree ...he should be. Here's a little more coming out about Democratic tactics...Jimmy won't like it at all...Mike
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teufelhunden 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow, MikeNC, that was a powerful video! Thank you for sharing with us!!!
teufelhunden 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Mr. Fernandes, thank you sir for telling your story.
packwilleat 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Here is a much more powerful video........
The Sunset of the State by Stefan Molyneux
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
JimHeim 10 hours, 38 minutes ago ..Every photo ID law that's been challenged in court has lost so far. Looks like Jim Crow isn't as popular as in days of old.
You obviously have no idea of what Jim Crow actually was and how devastating it was to families and America...or you do and still peddle your inflamatory racist garbage for your personal party agenda and vendetta. Aren't you some sort of Moore County Democratic "Leader" of some sort? If so, it is doubly shameful that you make such attempts to fool, trick and coerce the public about such subject matters. Grow up and act responsible for the citizens of Moore County whom you are suppose to serve professionally and ethically....Mike
cooldaddy 7 months, 2 weeks ago
So Heim...you can honestly say that you would have the same attitude if voter fraud was weighed for the benifit of Republicans rather than the overwhelming tilt toward Democrats? You know it is heavy in your favor so you want to keep it that way, rather than say that ALL voter fraud is wrong and ALL votes that are legal should count. One day Ethical people will have enough of your politics in the party of no shame and move away. They may not like the other side either, but themiddle could be a vast landing area for the fed up. I hope we keep the immoral out.
pgericson 7 months, 2 weeks ago
Does anyone have any evidence of actual voter fraud in North Carolina? You write as if it exists and benefits Democrats. Jim Heim, albeit in an impolite way, accurately described the process. Those who apply have to attest to their residency and citizenship: having a driver's license or social security number is only one step in the process. I know politicians point to potential for voter fraud and some have argued that it happened, but every time one takes the time to verify these allegations they are disproved.
pgericson 7 months, 2 weeks ago
@MikeNC... just had to look it up: Jim Crow laws included efforts to disenfranchise black citizens in southern states, so I guess you could link efforts that knowingly unfairly burdened minorities as a 21st century Jim Crow. If I have it wrong please correct me.
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
pgericson....Keep reading reading about Jim Crow and the practices used. Please do not join the crowd that can somehow, someway connect obtaining a valid ID card as a burden on minorities. Think or google all the reasons you must have a valid picture ID card to function in our society. It's embarrassing to promote that argument in my opinion and to connect it with JIM CROW is shameful. And for a person in JimHeims position with the Moore County Democratic Party using that correlation is downright race baiting and disgraceful and I will wager that most Black citizens feel the same way. And take notice that heim is responding to other topics but has not weighed in on this yet again...I don't blame him for pretending not to see it. I'm embarrassed for him...Mike
skylinefirepest 7 months, 2 weeks ago
PGE....please read Mike's letter two or three times as it is excellent. I don't know where you are looking to say that these supposed frauds have been disproved....seem's to me that Durham, NC had a problem sometime in the last couple of years with a very publicized effort to vote more than once. And with all the things you need to have a photo id for it is dishonest to say that it would disenfranchise anyone to have to get id!!! Simple fact...the left is lying about it and proud of it!
pgericson 7 months, 2 weeks ago
skylinefirepest I have looked at a number of assessments: often, when the work is done in tracking down allegations of dead people voting, etc. it turns out that the local precinct was at fault in its reporting. I offer the following for your consideration.
Studies show that in-person voting fraud is extremely rare. “A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter ID laws, was virtually nonexistent. The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters…The analysis found that there is more alleged fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than in any of the other categories.” Natasha Khan and Corbin Carson in The Washington Post.
As far as the 'cost' of getting an ID, I draw your attention to this article.link text which highlights some of the problems people face. I don't have as problem with a photo ID, but please don't suggest that it is a trivial matter. It turns out that any photo ID won't do: there are standards set by the various states. In Florida, for example, a college photo ID doesn't cut it! Not to be rude, but the simple fact is that Republican Legislatures have imposed photo IDs with the intention of affecting the outcome of the elections even when they know that fraud is not a problem. In Pennsylvania, the Republican Legislature (a) admitted that fraud was not a problem in the state and (b) bragged about passing a law that would cause PA to go for Romney. The left is not making this up. Take some time to read the literature on this and you might change your mind. "Seem's to me that Durham had a problem doesn't strike me as factual. Just sayin...
skylinefirepest 7 months, 2 weeks ago
OK, PGE, take away the seems to me....there was fraud and an arrest. Factual! The "seems to me" was simply referring to the fact that I couldn't remember which city in N.C. that it happened.
fugitiveguy 7 months, 2 weeks ago
http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp
A lefty downplaying the significance of voter fraud, voter registration fraud does nothing to make me less concerned over the integrity of our elections? In fact it does the opposite.
FightFireWithFire 7 months, 2 weeks ago
If you spend any amount of time out in polite society, you will see that the nearest ABC store accomodates people of all races and colors AND REQUIRES A VALID PHOTO I.D. before one can purchase an alcoholic beverage. The fact that it is required has not stopped people from getting booze, right? How about buying cigarettes? Same thing. If people really WANT something, they will follow the laws in place to get these things. So I ain't buying the whole line of crap about people not being able to get a valid i.d. in order to vote, it's just another excuse to whine and complain about "how the man is tryin' to keep me down". I think we need to stop enabling people to have a victim mentality in this country.
coffecreme 7 months, 2 weeks ago
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/28/florida-gop-fires-vendor-after-questionable-voter-registrations/
pgericson 7 months, 2 weeks ago
@skylinefirepest :)
skylinefirepest 7 months, 2 weeks ago
PGE. Thanks!
pgericson 7 months, 2 weeks ago
@FightFireWithFire Lest we forget, buying alcohol is a privilege while voting is a right. Therein lies the difference and the difference matters.
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
pgericson....Please show me in the constitution where "Voting is a Right" And to be directly on topic...Being a citizen of this GREAT nation is a privilege, not a right to those who are not qualified and choose not to follow the rules to become one. Now go get your copy of the US Constitution and search hard....Mike
MikeNC 7 months, 2 weeks ago
I gave you a Mission Impossible assignment pgericson. Voting is so critically important that the states must provide some guidance. Sooner or later we will require valid picture ID cards as a safeguard against fraud; the sooner the better. Some people from either party will take advantage of weak laws if allowed....Mike