Lessons That Can't Seem to Get Learned

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I t's nearly two weeks after the presidential election and the "shocking" victory of Barack Obama over Lord Mitt, the Earl of Etch-a-Sketchington (shocking, that is, unless you were actually paying attention to the arithmetic).

Reading and watching the seemingly endless parade of analysis, recrimination and tantrums filling the media, one is compelled to ask, in the words of The Former President Who Must Not Be Named: Is our Republicans learning?

Well, I said last week that we live in hope. And there's been some reason to believe that maybe, just maybe, the GOP has taken some lessons from losing both the Electoral College and the popular vote.

For instance, Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal, the new head of the Republican Governors Association, gave an interview to Politico in which he candidly said that Republicans need to stop being "the stupid party."

Noting that some Republican candidates had damaged the GOP brand with "offensive, bizarre comments," Jindal insisted that "we've ... had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people, and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters." He urged the party to reach out to all Americans, "including the 47 percent and the 53 percent."

Erick Erickson, who built one of the most virulent nests of angry wingnuttery with his website redstate.com before becoming a regular contributor on the supposedly liberal CNN, pushed back against the crazies calling for states to secede. Barack Obama, he wrote, "did not win by stealing the election. ... He won by turning out the most people in a well-run campaign. In other words, he won fair and square."

Sadly, however, Jindal and Erickson may be lonely voices crying in the wilderness. Many prominent Republicans seemed determined to keep pushing the message that lost them the election: that Those People are coming to take your stuff.

Mitt Romney blamed his loss on the "gifts" that the president gave young, African-American, and Hispanic voters. Paul Ryan blamed the loss on an unexpectedly large turnout of voters in "urban areas," and we all know what that means, don't we?

The conservative media figures who did so much to insulate their right-wing audiences from reality were even more blunt. Bill O'Reilly went full-out racist, saying that the election was decided by African-American and Hispanic voters who "wanted someone to give them stuff."

Ann Coulter was practically in tears as she told talk show host Laura Ingraham: "We have more takers than makers, and it's over. There is no hope." Rush Limbaugh sarcastically suggested that the way to bring back women voters was for conservatives to "start their own abortion industry."

Here's a news flash, GOP: You're not going to win the votes of African-Americans, the majority of whom are working people, by acting like all anyone darker than you wants to do is lie around the projects collecting welfare and committing voter fraud. You're not going to win the votes of Latinos by backing laws that assume that every one of them is illegal until they prove otherwise.

You're not going to win the votes of young people by acting as if the desire for educational opportunity makes them parasites, and by the way, that their openly gay and lesbian friends are abominations before God. You're not going to win the votes of women if you insist that their desire that the insurance they work or pay for covers contraception makes them lazy sluts who want free birth control pills so they can have sex all day.

This should not be hard to figure out. You don't win elections by insulting the people you need to vote for you. If you offend a sufficient number of minority groups, pretty soon you've offended a majority.

Republicans may try to take comfort in the fact that they held on to control of the House of Representatives.

But that doesn't mean that the "white makers vs. the grasping dark hordes" message is going to suddenly turn into a winner in 2016.

You may be able to hang on to a House seat in a district gerrymandered to put people who look, talk and think just like you in one place. But it won't win you the Senate or the White House. That requires outreach to all Americans. Just ask Paul Ryan, who held his "safe" House seat while losing his home state.

In a changing America, conservatives will win few victories by professing their love of country while openly loathing more than half of the people who live in it.

Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage. Contact him at dustyr@nc.rr.com.

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Comments

Kejia 6 months ago

In 20 years (or 20 generations), there will still be a majority of "whites" in the U.S.. But as Jon Stewart was kind enough to point out, the definition of white will continue to evolve as it has for ~250 years. And the GOP might go the way of the Whigs. http://goo.gl/4X2Rk

p.s. how is that FBI investigation about the people writing Dusty hate emails going?

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OldPilot 6 months ago

Good column! Post-election the GOP has become a circular firing squad, turned their back on Romney, dancing around like genetically corrupt clones suddenly desperate to become relevant. The GOP and its' 2012 campaign brings the famous Pogo quote to mind: " We have met the enemy and it is us" (thank you Walt Kelly).

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LBK 6 months ago

Brilliantly said...great column, Dusty!

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dustyrhoades 6 months ago

Post-election the GOP has become a circular firing squad,

I know. And that's usually the Democrats' job.

Thanks, OldPilot and LBK.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Dusty, I disagree with some of this, however I must say, other then the stunning insults to a great candidate in Mitt Romney, This is a good article.

And yes I had my own melt down but Im better now.

A pleasurable read, 2 thumbs up.

PS Make sure Bob Levy reads this.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

You no whats crazy is,

There is nothing wrong with wanting a balanced budget, a smaller government, lower taxes, etc etc, all this is stuff republicans can run on.

But we the Akins, and Murdocks get out,...well, you can flush the election down the toilet.

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Nezumi 6 months ago

Good column -

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dustyrhoades 6 months ago

Thanks, Nezumi.

And TAP, you're absolutely right. But thanks to the religious right, they can't help themselves.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Dusty~ well done! But until the righties figure out that America wasn't founded on Christianity, I fear little will change. Bless their heart.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

@Packwilleat,

I agree that in basic, mind you, very basic understandings, this country was not "founded" on Christianity, this would make us a theocracy.

Having said that, Christianity WAS and IS an integral part of the founders lives and continues to be an integral part of our lives today. To say that christian principles, morals, and ethos did not have a bearing on the foundation of this country is simply ludicrous.

The church for the better part of 200 years was the focal point of most of this country, there seems to be this disconnect, for whatever reason in the understanding of the history of this country. The preacher for a long time was the leader of most of our small rural communities, which made up the majority of our country at that time.

Religion has always had an interesting relationship with urban areas. We could go on and on about this, however again, to say that until the righties figure out that America was not founded on Christianity, well, thats just a really bad generalization.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

@packwilleat

Since I always read your links, please read mine. Its very informative.

And mind you pack, I think that there needs to be a thinking on the Part of the GOP as regards to the christian right.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Tap ~ I agree that Christianity played a lage role in our society. But it was never ment to be the basis of governance. I think you forgot to post a link, and I will glady read it when you do. Here is a link to how our founding fathers viewed religion.

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

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njc17 6 months ago

??? Where does this come from, America was founded by Christian men on the ideals of freedom. Why do you all insist on rewriting history. What Dusty seems to say, is there is no room for morality, no room for righteousness, no room for conservative thought, no room for PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, no room for those who think different from Dusty. Too many fawners here. wet legs you think?

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

sorry about that pack.

BTW can you believe that we have civil discussion here? on a dusty article, wow.

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Thats not what dusty is saying NJC17

See my first post and his response.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Good Article Pack, I firmly believe that we have lost the absence of free thinking and have gone the way of Radical Acceptance.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Im confused about what you are saying supperwestside

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Tap ~ good article. Our founders all agreed that freedom of religion is and should always be a fundamental right and should be separate from the state. Somewhere along the way, those to institutions became intertwined. The men that signed those documents not only gave us path to individual freedom, but also warned us about which paths to avoid. Sure those documents were not perfect, nor sustainable. No document has ever proven to confine the expansive power of the state, nor will it ever. But those that fail to study history, are doomed to repeat it. We as a nation have faltered in more ways than I'm willing to take the time to point out. Yet we get called crazy or radicals for pointing out there is a wall at the end of this path we currently travel. Such is life.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

I completely agree pack which is why I am now a registered libertarian. It is my hope that by 2016 there will be a real national libertarian party that both GOP and Democratic voters will flock to, while I completely and 110% disagree with the drug policy, I think that the libertarian party most closely represents the policies of our founders, I think that the GOP economically speaking represents the founding principles, and I think the Democratic party, minus the extreme left wing represents the good intentions of all Americans.

Its a shame really.

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Yukonjohn 6 months ago

Packwilleat, good article. I read that and TAP's article. I can see where they might both have merits, but l do believe that your article Pack is more accurate. I wish our country was more like it was then in philosophy. I can't seem to shake the image of Paul Ryan against the images of so many of our great founders. There is no comparison IMHO.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Yukon im not arguing against packs article. All i am saying is that christianity has shaped this country since its foundings and u cant just toss that aside. I also think that the current right wing is as far off base as the left. Mark levin is about as close as u get to a constitutionalist on the right.

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Yukonjohn 6 months ago

TAP, l like Mark Levin too. I also like John Stossel. Between him and Judge Andrew Napolitano, they are people that l think feel the Constitution with Amendments is sacred.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Yukon ~ it will take a long time before the GOP becomes more socially liberal. Remember the Chic-fil-A ordeal? What an awakening that was. But for us to revert back to the ideology of sovereign individuality probably will not happen in our time. Too many are happy meddling in the lives of their neighbors. Even though I'm an Atheist I support/defend others rights to worship as they choose. But please don't make your beliefs the law nor tell me I make too much money and deserve to have most of it stolen from me. We live in an era where beliefs are the the law of the land, not logic. Every corner every step of the way we face another belief. What's scary is that some don't realize that the dollar in their pockect is only worth what they believe it is.

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Yukonjohn 6 months ago

Packwilleat, I agree. I do not think that we will ever acheive soverign individuality in our lifetime. While I am a Christian, l support anyone's right to be otherwise. I believe that Jefferson, Adams and several of the Framers felt the same as you and l. Hey Pack, you should check out Alaska, we are MUCH more aligned with our thinking on liberty than any other State l have visited, 48 of them!! Here is a link to the Fairbanks newspaper, if one reads it for a few weeks, they would have a good insight of how we think here.

http://newsminer.com/

Oh and sorry about NCSU today pack. Dang l wanted to see them do so much better.

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moonchild7 6 months ago

You've told them very well Dusty about what those Righties Problems are but I don't think we should be telling them how to solve those said problems. Don't need them "Running" anything again for awhile. Here's a bit of my take though: Christianity cannot be the "Ruling Religion" no matter what since we do try to practice Freedom of Religion here in America, There are just too many different takes on morality and the correct ways to try to solve problems. Strange that the Republicans are so bent on having "Evangelicals" rewrite what their Party is supposed to be all about anyway, when those same righties stress over and over our Constitution and the FREEDOM and LIBERTY, that it promises. Hypocricy is a terrible thing to waste.

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dustyrhoades 6 months ago

Moon, I'd actually like to see a viable, non-insane, secular GOP that could have a rational debate without having to lie and shriek OMG COVERUP SOCIALISM IMPEACH SECEDE SLUTS ILLEGALS AND PARASITES THE UN IS COMING TO TAKE ERRR GUNZ THIS IS THE END OF AMERICA all the time.

A Democratic Party without a serious opposition would likely fall prey to its own set of excesses.

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dustyrhoades 6 months ago

Last night, I tuned in to Ken Burn's documentary on the Dust Bowl. While it simply reports the facts and never takes an explicit political position, it's a stark reminder of what a completely unregulated economic system can do to the environment and the lives of ordinary people. To call the devastation apocalyptic would be putting it mildly.

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dustyrhoades 6 months ago

Jennifer Granholm nails it:

Ask any Republican about the party’s core values and they’ll list a bunch of variations of the word, “freedom.” Free enterprise, free markets, free trade, economic freedom, freedom from taxation and regulation … liberty, unchaining the private sector, “Don’t Tread On Me” flags … basically get the government out of the way so private action can flourish. Like a bunch of “Bravehearts,” they just want their “freeeeeeeeeedom!!” But their freedom only applies to businesses, not individuals. For Republicans, it’s businesses that ought to be free of barriers to freely pursue commerce, but citizens must be burdened with barriers to freely exercising their rights, like the right to vote. Businesses must be trusted to act in any way they wish, but women cannot be trusted to make even their own health care decisions. Businesses ought to freely cross global borders to enjoy the global free market, but the tired, poor and hungry who yearn to be free … they’re not free to cross our borders. Business must be free to make contractual agreements, but individuals are not free to contract in marriage to whomever they may love. Businesses must be free to take risks, without regard to the size of the consequences, but individuals cannot be free to engage in personal risk-taking - like using marijuana - regardless of how small and isolated the costs may be. The reason why the GOP will continue to lose elections is because they do not understand that you cannot be the freedom party if you want to regulate the most intimate and sacred of people’s personal lives.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83977_Page2.html#ixzz2CfoGqnp0

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83977.html#ixzz2CfoByzcj

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Dusty ~ while I agree with you that the GOP needs to change their principles, I also believe the Democratic Party needs to review their core values as well. To me both parties are nothing more than statist, in the pure sense of the word. Both tug on the pants leg of the state in order to enforce their ideologies on their fellow man. But to comment on the Dust Bowl documentary, free market economics is still only a theory. We as a nation have never had a truly free market. Goverment has always meddled in the market in some form or another. What we have today is the aftermath of continuing regulation and force. This is what I believe the left fails to see. The notion that if we just compile more government regulations and mandates, that some how more of the same will fix what broke it in the first place.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Dusty ~ here is an article that helps explain the difference between "free markets" and "market intervention". If we are to define free markets as listed in this article, free markets have never existed here, there, or anywhere.

http://fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-free-market-versus-the-interventionist-state

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moonchild7 6 months ago

That's really great what Jennifer Granholm had to say about the Republicans Dusty, and I get it. Here's what I was sorta saying about them though and why they shouldn't "GOVERN" anything anytime soon. Of course we need at least TWO differing opinions and idea sets to administer our country. You must agree though that the 'Evangelical/Tea Party" take-over of said Republicans has been beyond crazy, dangerous, and bizarre. They want only a Christian God with Biblical Texts to relate back and forth to their "political cronies" to, in order for their radical, prejudiced and misoginist beliefs to somehow be included in our CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS. Some of the more "Sane" Republicans are now coming out from under the woodwork and saying "rational" things but will they be able to actually GOVERN in a SANE manner? Really, shouldn't the Republican Party show those nutz the door too? Like they are doing to Romney? Now, as far as FREE ENTERPRISE goes, packwilleat, I've said it over and over. The Human factor of GREED and ANGER make such a system totally impossible. They NEGATE it's actual success. Where was Standard Oils FOOD STAMP OFFICE and LOW INCOME Apt Complexes to help all the unemployed and homeless POOR during the Depression? If they had set those up instead of waiting for the GOVERNMENT to try to help the POOR, you might have an argument. (I read your article). And here's what I have to say about Hostess, pacwilleat. IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OVER BY THE GOV'T in order to keep people employed. WHY? Because when they filed for bankrupcty earlier this year they gave their CEO and other Executives HUGE salary increases. The GREED factor....again and again and again. "Free Enterprise" can only be as Free as we the people let it because if we don't watch it they'll be making Soylent Green out of us.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Moon ~ I would never expect you to deviate from your indoctrination and actually form your own thoughts. That is not ment to be an insult. But that is the problem we face today, for people to actually think for themselves to reach for solutions to our problems. What caused the Great Depression, Moon; if I may ask?

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packwilleat 6 months ago

I'll answer for ya......................

http://www.mackinac.org/4013

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packwilleat 6 months ago

To anyone wanting to do some reading. The link I just posted provides "lessons that can't seem to get learned"

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moonchild7 6 months ago

packwilleat, you've just substantiated my exact point. No talking points involved and you can stop that BS when you accuse me of using them. I am a Liberal minded person and have Liberal minded thoughts. Sometimes they might have come from things that I've heard others say but believe it or not, I am my own person and CREATE my own thoughts. I DO NOT follow anyone else. They usually follow ME. Anyway, the POINT is that you've made another excuse for the wealthy NOT to HELP out, by BLAMING Gov't intervention on the problem of the "Great Depression". You see, I look at it like a HURRICANE or TORNADO, Mother Nature more or less causing the disaster, not man. Thousands upon thousands of people were in need and where were the wealthy? Where was Standard Oil's soup kitchens? Rockefeller's Low Cost Housing Complexes? You see, packwilleat.....they didn't help the masses. The church's were over-run with misery. Families were doing all they could to help one another. Mine included. Why didn't the wealthy amongst us help their neighbor? Their Fellow Americans? Our Government had to act as it really became a National Security issue, don't you think?

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Are you talking about how Home Depot and The Red Cross were the first to aid the victoms of Sandy? Moon, that is why liberals will never understand macro economics, you can't seem to check your emotions at the door. What your advocating is called equal misery of the middle/lower class, and you fail to see how spreading the wealth around only serves the interest of the rich. Those dreadful 1%'ers you fight against are composed of both government and corporations. Keep it up though, the government will gladly take your money and find some toilet to flush it down. Have you ever asked why government wants more control over the markets? Trust me, it's not to benefit you or me. You are falling of the same lie that has been told over and over again. It sounds all peachy on the outside but only diverts wealth and power to a more evil entity.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

We were warned along long time ago.....................

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

~ Thomas Jefferson

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Pack you are truly on a role,

Moon you should pay attention.

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clarabelle 6 months ago

" Moon, that is why liberals will never understand macro economics, you can't seem to check your emotions at the door."

stupid comment - as expected

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packwilleat 6 months ago

TAP ~ they will never pay attention to what I say or post. They think I'm a "Republican". Only goes to show they are only tolerant to their own views. Their way or the highway.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

I just love how liberals want to give the state power over the economy. The state already holds a monopoly over the guns, let's give 'em the money too. Brilliant !!

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moonchild7 6 months ago

I think you speak rather "oddly" pack, for someone who says they work for the Gov't. I didn't give the state any power, that's just how our CapitaIistic society was set up in 1776. We've been perfecting that society and system ever since. We've had failures and triumphs. I'd also much rather have the Gov't we have now than one that the Right-Winged Religious Crazies would like to set up. Dusty, those Republicans learned NOTHING from this election. When asked how old the earth was in GQ magazine, Sen. Marco Rubio said he wasn't "qualified" to answer it. He said there are lots of theories out there. MEANING: The bible says it's about 6,000 yrs old and that's what I believe. So, The Republicans are really still the STUPID just like Gov. Jindal said they were.

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Courseaire 6 months ago

So moonchild7, how old is the Earth? Please list your qualifications for answering the question. Also, you've stated that America stands for religious freedom, yet you continue to mock Christians for their belief, please explain this hypocrisy.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Moon ~ what's wrong sweetheart? You don't have anything in your Liberal play book on how to attack someone who is NOT a Republican. But I guess by me talking economics on a rational level that makes me a Republican, right? P.S.~ I can't stand the right wing crazies either.

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moonchild7 6 months ago

Courseaire, I do not "mock" Christians for their beliefs, rather I question their need to invoke religious superiority, authority and rightousness against those who's beliefs might be a bit different. I am adamantly against their need to seemingly want to set up a "Christian Government" here in the United States. Do you believe in that? Any true Constitutionalist would have NOTHING to do with such "malarky". The teachings of Jesus are teachings that are universally needed. In their simpilist form they need no ownership. It is not necessary to constantly invoke a self-righteous relgious piety towrds the many diverse people's here in America. Just live by the teachings of Jesus and for that matter many other very caring spiritual leaders that we've had in this world's history. Here's is what I have to say about the "Age of the Earth". I remember being a rather curious teen-ager (I was about 14 yrs old) and when my grandmother took me on several occasions to her Baptist Church in Washington DC I had the opportunity to ask the Preacher a few questions. My favorite was and always will be "Why aren't the dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?" He of course fumbled around with trying to answer me but fell back on, "We shouldn't question such things because the Bible was above such things" Case closed. It's supposed to be about 4 Billion years old according to scientists but give or take a Billion or so would matter to me. Give or take six to nine thousand years old is very worrying though. Don't you think?

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moonchild7 6 months ago

Sorry, I meant WOULDN"T matter to me. Oh, my grandmother (very conservative person) would be so upset with me "questioning" her Preacherman. I don't attack Republicans per se, my best friend is a Republican. I attack backwards, hateful, and stupid people. You come a little close pack.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Moon ~ well if you get to know me, you'll find out I'm not backwards, hateful or stupid(well there was that ONE time) hehe! I've come to the realization a long time ago that everything about our society is fundamentally flawed. I put the ideology of individual liberty and the non-aggression principle at the center of my reasoning. So basicly it goes like this "how is this idea going to harm myself or my neighbor?" My wife has called me selfless on many accounts, because I refuse to allow atrocities be enfroced on my neighbor. Like I've said before, we are only as free as we allow our neighbor to be. It's circular like that. But any how, here is an article that explains the implications to the "soak the rich" philosophy...........................

http://mises.org/daily/6241/Soak-the-Rich

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Courseaire 6 months ago

MC7 - You mock Christians in your response that you do not mock them. Your only defense was that you have a friend that is a Christian.

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Courseaire 6 months ago

May GOD bless President of the United States Barack Obama and his family every day, not just Thanksgiving - they really need His blessing.

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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months ago

Moon uour recent comments are a clear example of why no one on the left or the right take anythi g you say seriously.

Your comment saying packwilleat does not talk like a government employee shows your complete lack of any ability for individual thought.

People are not labels. Packs job does not define him as a person. It is only a means to his ends. This is however a foreign idea opposing your indoctrination.

You moon are the worst type of hypocrite, the kind who likes being one.

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JD 6 months ago

Packs job does not define him as a person. It is only a means to his ends.

And here I thought doing what you loved made it anything but work.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

JD ~ I honestly despise that philosophy. "Find something you love to do and make it profitable " while the successful businessmen/women look at it the other way around. "Find something profitable and learn to love it" i'm still trying to figure out a way to provide for my family by drinking bourbon and smoking cigars all day though!

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teufelhunden 6 months ago

It's crazy how some people accuse the opposing "side" of so many things but REFUSE to look in the mirror to see how RABID they've become against those whose views differ from their own. That refusal an lack of consideration is PATHETIC.

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teufelhunden 6 months ago

Pack I agree with you and Yukon more and more on various things. You explain yourself well. Didn't someone once say that intelligence can be measured in ones willingness to learn?

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teufelhunden 6 months ago

Republicans are really still the STUPID just like Gov. Jindal said they were.-MC7

Nice.

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JD 6 months ago

i'm still trying to figure out a way to provide for my family by drinking bourbon and smoking cigars all day though!

There's meetings for that. Just because you hate the saying does not make it less true for someone else. I like my job and enjoy the challenges it presents. Sorry if you picked a profession in menial office work, that must suck.

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moonchild7 6 months ago

I didn't grow up in one of those Ultra-Conservative Evangelical backwards type homes. The adults in my family though did still have quite conservative mind-sets. Needless to say, my mind was just the opposite. So much so that I left them all at the age of 19 and never went back. Somewhat unusual for a girl at that time and the kind of experience that doesn't tend to leave pleasant memories in ones head. There was never hate between us, just a profound disagreement about lifestyles, religion, politics, and education. So, you see, I don't take to those very dibilitating mind sets all that well, since they were personally hurtful. I didn't mock Christians, only a Baptist Minister. I said that I have a Republican friend...my best friend. I'll ask her what she thinks of my "thoughts and beliefs". I'll let you know, since she is very, very smart..yes, I think she's much smarter than me. As far as "Christian" friends. I have several of those also but we try to not talk about religion that much. They know about my "leftie politics" (I used to sell Commie Underground newspapers in DC) but we respect each other and our differences. I am not a hypocrit.

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packwilleat 6 months ago

Teufelhunden ~ the first step to learning is to unlearn. To honestly analyze everything that one knows and decipher what is original to the self and what has simply been injected. To question everything with a rational eye. Then the true learning process can build off of a solid foundation. I know, sounds a bit hippie. I have my tendencies.

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fugitiveguy 6 months ago

Well said 101. Moon makes me glad I to be a conservative. I have to laugh, they like to call us wingnuts but they all they all seem like loons to me. Some more than others.

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moonchild7 6 months ago

What's so LOONY about working hard, saving money, getting a good education and being able to enjoy life? Of course there are so many smarter people than me 101jackson. Lots of smarter people. I've had to work harder than a lot of people for what I have but it's definately been worth it. I've done a lot of things because I WANTED to do a lot of things. Go places, see things...you know, live an interesting life. There's nothing wrong with someone who hasn't done a lot of things, personal FREEDOM you know. I've had an intense curiousity about people and the world that we live in since I was a young child. My father had to move around a bit with his job so we of course moved with him. I had good friends that I had leave and then had to earn to meet new ones in our new town. So, I didn't have lots of friends but I've had very good ones and still correspond and even occasionally still see several of them. So, 101jackson, sad to say I do have many friends but I saty busy and not much time to be with them. That's why email is great. And by the way, I think that the Republican Party is imploding.

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