Bipartisan? Not
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It is probably a good thing the Robert Levy has a day job, maybe one that doesn’t involve what Dusty Rhoades refers to as “wingnut politics.” I write this after reading his “So Who Won the Debate?” column (Oct. 21).
He says, “Even domestically, how can true bipartisanship occur among the two houses of Congress and the executive branch when every instinct in the White House points to self-righteous indignation?”
I say, “Robert, where were you when your beloved Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in 2008, “The most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
Bipartisan, my (expletive deleted).
Clark Groseth
Pinehurst
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The_AnonymusProfit 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Clark is suffering from selective memory loss.
coffecreme 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Haha.... love it Clark... so true.
MikeNC 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Simply a play on words...more small and stupid stuff in a time that demands large agendas for America. What did you expect the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to say...we hope to re-elect the Democratic President. When is the last time you heard Pelosi or Reid say that they wanted a Republican President re-elected....Mike
Courseaire 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Yet Obama gets a free ride from Democrats after saying in 2009 that failing to right the economy in three years would mean a "one-term proposition."
fugitiveguy 6 months, 3 weeks ago
“The most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
Given the 16.3T debt we face amongst other things, it appears that Sen McConnell was a visionary. Hell, Helen Keller could have seen how this would turn out.
OldPilot 6 months, 3 weeks ago
It's one thing to utter a sour grapes statement as did McConnell after a major election loss, not too bright but understandable. It's entirely another to actively oppose the President at every turn for four years, which is what he and his followers have done to the detriment of the country, but despite the best efforts of the right wing the country is recovering financially and will continue to do so.
justpassingby2 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Oldpilot...how do you measure the country is recovering financially? Latest jobs report would suggest otherwise. So would the continued growth of our debt. Sure the well do to that have money in the stock market are doing well but how about that 47% that romney talked about?
pgericson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
fugitiveguy - One of the reason the debt is high is because McConnell made sure that repeated Obama proposals to increase taxes on high income earners was defeated. Similarly, justpassingby2, our job situation might have been much better if Republicans had not stonewalled President Obama's major jobs bill. I'm not saying Obama is the end all and be all when it comes to Presidents, but it really is unfair to heavily criticize him for outcomes that occurred, in no small measure, because of Republican intransigence regarding his proposals.
fugitiveguy 6 months, 3 weeks ago
"One of the reason the debt is high is because McConnell made sure that repeated Obama proposals to increase taxes on high income earners was defeated."
This statement proves beyond a doubt you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Now I know you are just repeating what you have heard from other Obama supporters time and time again. They too are either propagating an outright lie or either also believe in this fantasy. The interest alone on our debt is nearing $400 billion annually. There aren't enough millionaires and billionaires in the country to tax to erase that. Stop buying into the lies. This isn't rocket science, its common sense. Obama has no use for capitalism, just consider who his mentors were in college.
The_AnonymusProfit 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Pg you live in a dream
pgericson 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I never said the problem would be solved... hence the wording 'one of the reasons'. If I thought it would advance the discussion I would provide the facts to support the point that Republicans stood in the way of a tax increase on the rich. I don't get my information from Obama and his statements. Anyone who follows this closely would know that a significant share of the annual deficits over the last few years had nothing to do with Obama: 1. Reduced revenue from Bush tax cuts 2. Increased outlays to pay for Bush legislation to expand Medicare to include prescription. 3. Reduced revenue because of the high unemployment rate. 4. Increased outlays for unemployment compensation
I know its trendy to blame Obama for all of this and to forget it was Bush who turned substantial surpluses into substantial annual deficits.
dustyrhoades 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Once again, someone speaks truth and the wingnuts go insane with rage.
OldPilot 6 months, 3 weeks ago
justpassingby2: would it have been better to let the country crater in financially? Latest job reports indicate an increasing # of new jobs although the overall unemployed rate remains less that optimal. How would the 47% be doing if nothing had been done & the country went into a deep, deep depression as opposed to a bad recession, which has been blunted then turned around by the current administration? Yes, the debt went up but you can't have it both ways. So which would you rather have, depression or increased debt? If you really give a hoot for the 47% the answer should be obvious.
Phoenix 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Come on, you can't have it both ways. You can't bash Bush for wrecking the economy without taking into consideration that the Democrats had control of both houses from 2006-08, then give the President a pass and continue to blame the Republicans for our economic woes because they "blocked" all of the Presidents programs - even though they owned both the House and Senate for the first two years of the current administrations term.
fugitiveguy 6 months, 3 weeks ago
"I know its trendy to blame Obama for all of this and to forget it was Bush who turned substantial surpluses into substantial annual deficits."
Trendy my axx, I just wish Obama would for once take responsibility for something, anything. Likewise for his supporters, contantly falling all over themselves making excuses for the situation we face.
fugitiveguy 6 months, 3 weeks ago
" If I thought it would advance the discussion I would provide the facts to support the point that Republicans stood in the way of a tax increase on the rich."
It doesn't matter! We don't have a 16.3 debt because we haven't taxed enough, it is because we spend too much. You could take all the money from the "millionaires and billionaires" and it would be a drop in the bucket. Why is this so hard to understand.
njc17 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Bush following the democratic congress and the F&F fiasco of allowing loans to go unchecked, presided over a financial downturn unprecidented in modern times. Yes this was left over from Bush but Bush in no way caused it. I do wish the liberal thought process would get facts straight. Yes Bush presided over a huge bailout that the democrat congress decided was necessary and approved by the presidential combatants. Obama then decides, once he is in office to go with his Keyensian upbringing and take government control, tacitly, and bail out GM AIG and other giant corporations, than take bail out money and infuse wasteful energy products that are not ready for any kind of production yet, allow the EPA to overregulate the hard energy induatry and niw we have a national debt our grandchildren cannot payoff, at the same time he insists he wants to "spread the wealth, keyensian style, [SOCIALISM} and instead of LEGALLY pushing legislation through, he sets up czars {SOCIALISM} bypassing congress altogether with his keyensian [SOCIALISM} ideologies. NOOO this whole thing IS obama and it is a mess of the greatest magnitude.I really think Obama MUST be tried in court for crimes against the Constitution when he is thrown out of office.
The_AnonymusProfit 6 months, 3 weeks ago
@PG
Ok to answer your falsities.
That article is very interesting, and it is not a "wingnut" place. Its Forbes.
Basically what you are saying here is that you are mad that Bush helped improve medicare and it cost a little more for the tax payers,,...yet you are not mentioning the fact that this increase PAILS in comparison to the now CBO ESTIMATED 2.8 TRILLION dollars Obama care will cost ( Medicare continues under Obamacare) Adding 270 BILLION dollars to out budget per year. This is also an ever increasing program with some private estimates ranging in the 700 billion dollar a year range by 2020.
Decreased Revenue do to unemployment, well this is a bit true, while unemployed people dont pay taxes, unless they collect unemployment monies, in that case they are taxed. However you are right that when large amounts of people are out of work the tax revenue would go down,...Slightly. How come only slightly, well, thats because 1% of the american population or roughly 350,000 people pay 60% of the taxes in this country, and they were never layed off. This is a drop bucket argument with no real statistical evidence.
This shows you do not understand how this system works. Employers pay unemployment insurance, While it does not cover all the payments, the average percantage being 3.4% per quarter, this is a drop in the bucket.
Over all PG the 4 "examples" you gave are not valid at all, especially the first one as forbes debunked you easily.
As to blaming President Bush,
This video proves you lefties just really need to own up to your own failures and dont blame bush for what DEMOCRATS caused.
Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown by ProudToBeCanadian
The_AnonymusProfit 6 months, 3 weeks ago
Ok time to debunk another leftie lie, anyone care to take on the Profit? I have never been beat.
JimHeim 6 months, 2 weeks ago
TAP - Medicare part D is an unfunded mandate and is blowing holes in the national debt. You can dance all you like, but the facts are out there.
That's just one of the ways Bush doubled the national debt during his eight years.
The_AnonymusProfit 6 months, 2 weeks ago
hmm jimmy,, so your mad it doubled in 8? then following that logic you should be outraged it doubled again in the last 4.......
I expect silence on that.
JimHeim 6 months, 2 weeks ago
TAP - Obama inherited an economy in free fall. He's got it growing again (albeit slowly) and we are well on our way to full recovery. It would have been nice if Republicans in Congress had cared as much for the welfare of the country as they do about defeating President Obama, but we live with the Congress we have, not the one we might wish to have.
Even conservative economists recognize the need to continue large short-term deficits to prevent a relapse. We have plenty of time to address the long-term problem.
Bear in mind that reducing the deficit will slow the economy and reducing the national debt will induce a recession (or worse). It's critical that any reductions occur during strong growth to buffer the loss.
When irresponsible presidents introduce huge unfunded programs, start wars without finding a way to pay for them and reduce taxes without accompanying those cuts with spending reductions (and Bush had Republicans in charge of Congress for most of his eight years), you can expect long term economic damage.
JimHeim 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Well, it looks like a significant win for the president. I guess it's time to get my government microchip inserted. Maybe the feds will save money by having the death panels share their space.