Not a Positive Word

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Usually, I just roll my eyes at Dusty Rhodes’ propaganda and name-calling offerings.

His latest column, however, is so far off the mark that further comment seems appropriate. Mr. Rhodes’ attempt to paint the Obama Campaign slogan, “Forward,” as positive is absurd!

“Forward” is not a good or bad word. It is a neutral word, only taking on meaning when used with something like an objective. It is no more meaningful than “Hope” or “Change” as a political slogan. These words only take on value when used with an end-point or result. But, this is not about the relative quality of campaign slogans.

The negative reaction to the Obama campaign slogan is due to the attempt to repeat 2008. Then, people could apply “Hope and Change” to the empty page that Barack Obama represented. They could apply their own objectives. He is no longer an empty page. Unfortunately for him, he now has a record, and we can more easily see his objectives.

His page contains many images: first, the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression, due to adherence to failed Keynesian deficit spending and attempted wealth redistribution; second, the largest increases in national debt, to be paid by our descendents, incurred in his first three years in office; third, significantly increased government involvement in private business, e.g., autos and health care; fourth, divisive and demagogic leadership, attacking institutions and industries and pitting classes against each other; and fifth, increases in federal bureaucracy and regulation usually at the expense of individual liberty.

Use of slogans is a propaganda technique. Mr. Rhodes’ is attempting to paint the “Forward” slogan as positive. That is typical Obama campaign slight-of-hand tactics: Get ’em to look at the slogan and not their results and objectives.

Nice try, Dusty.

Philip Starr

Whispering Pines

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Comments

geoffcutler 1 year ago

That's quite a letter.

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MikeNC 1 year ago

Slogans won't be getting it this time around. I see Romney talking positive and seems sincere about taking us in that positive direction. I see Obama talking negative and attempting to rile us all up against each other and still continues to blame Bush and others for all our troubles. Not gonna work. People are fed up with the direction we have been heading....Mike

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BigE 1 year ago

Mike- Be honest dude. Romney has been nothing but negative. On top of that he has spread lies, misleading information, and total inaccuracies. Ask Newt and Rick! You want to vote Republican, vote for Romney but let's not rewrite history. "Sincere"? Really? You might be the only person on earth to use Romney and sincere in the same sentence. Vote Republican, I'm good with that. It is your right! Let's just stick with the facts. BTW, since we are keeping it real, the "direction we have been heading" is meant as a negative, I'm sure. We went in the wrong direction well before January 2009. By all indicators we are heading in the right direction now-- corporate profits, corporate balance sheets, investment growth, employment (albeit slowly), ending wars, etc.

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Bentpan 1 year ago

NAILED IT Mr. Starr, hell of a letter, thank you

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MikeNC 1 year ago

Great Letter ! President Obama can't run on his record, he has to run away FROM his record. Diane

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Courseaire 1 year ago

The way the deficit is growing, it should be "Charge!"

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MikeNC 1 year ago

BigE...That is honest. The negative struggle during the Republican primaries were the same as during any negative banter during past Democratic primaries. That's behind all of us now. Newt and Rick are now supporting Romney. I heard that Newt is going to start stumping for Romney, but haven't seen it yet. And when you say...."By all indicators we are heading in the right direction now"....That is a joke. How about being honest dude. If Obama and all his adminstation's record of what has transpired for over three years now is on track with you; then place your vote for them. But let's try to stick with the facts and not rewrite history.....Mike

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clarabelle 1 year ago

too funny - all the far right praising this .......... now who would have guessed......HAHA

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OldSpook 1 year ago

And you still think Obama is the chosen one?

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Bflat 1 year ago

@DR _Some people just don't ...shall we say...comprehend or every try to understand.

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Bflat 1 year ago

..."or ever ...." ( correction.)

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skylinefirepest 1 year ago

Obama's record so far is worse than Jimmy Carter's...and it seems to me that I remember the great Obama saying that he didn't DESERVE to be re-elected if he didn't turn the economy around. So let's see...we've got record unemployment, government investing OUR money in failed green industry, businesses not hiring because of government interference, regulations, etc. We've got EPA and a bunch of other letter entities acting as if they owned the industries they think they can regulate, we've got a healthcare fiasco that had to be passed in the dark of night along a single party vote ( without even being read, people!! ) , we've got a government out of control trying to remake the United States from the best country on the face of the earth to a third world failure, we've lost our credit rating, we're borrowing FORTY percent of what we spend mostly from countries that really would like to see us fail, we've got an illegal alien problem that the Democrats love, we've got a president that thinks the war on terror is over, ( asked any Muslim extremists lately?? ) , we've got an administration that thinks we have to apologize to every dictator that hates us....and you think this is heading in the right direction????? And on top of all that we've got a head of the Moore County Democrat party that is ashamed of his country and his state??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????

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fugitiveguy 1 year ago

I hope in the campaign the national debt is center stage. Obama lambasted GWB for it, he vowed to cut it in half when in fact he will have increased it by half by the end of his term. Gas prices may come down, the economy may improve but the debt will still remain like an anchor chain around our necks and for generations to come. I know many on the left unwittingly or wittingly poo poo the debt but sadly a massive chunk of Americans have no clue of its significance. I am afraid by the time they come to some realization of its dangers, they may have already given this charlatan another term.

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OldSpook 1 year ago

Thank you TAP, 5 minutes to read and another 30 minutes to stop laughing! I guess next we will see Obama with Moses leading the people.

Question: If the tent cities that sprang up during the Great Depression were called "Hoovervilles", and the tent cites that sprang up during the Regan administration were called "Regan Ranches" how come we aren't calling the current tent cities "Obamanation's"?

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lakeview 1 year ago

That's funny. I had to go back and see who wrote it because I was sure it was Courseair.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

You can now follow The_AnonymusProfit on twitter at @AnonymusProfit

Yea thats right Im expanding my empire.

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Bentpan 1 year ago

TAP makes sense the only way this president could get reelected is by rewriting history and hoping noone will notice, or maybe he can contact Yoda and use the FORCE.

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Bflat 1 year ago

skyline_you left out approx 12 million foreclosures nationwide that have not yet hit the market place, plus the media and govt are not publishing that.

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AFCHIEF 1 year ago

FOWARD INTO THE DITCH...

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CC85 1 year ago

Funny how Dusty get's inside all these folks head.

Philip Starr - Another member of the Dusty Loyal Reader Club....LOL

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BigE 1 year ago

Mike- Other than telling me I was wrong you presented zero substance, no counters to improved profits, no counters to improved hiring, nothing! Throw some facts at me.

Skyline- How can one person be wrong about everything!
Unemployment has been higher.
The country invests in lots of technologies and we need them to or we will fall behind the rest of the world. Some companies fail. We should do a better job of screening, not pull the plug! Give me a list of regulations that have been put in place by Obama that restricts hiring? You won't be able to because that is not the reason hiring is down. Demand is down and companies enjoy the profits of being leaner and more efficient. So far very little of Obamacare has been implemented. In fact changes to insurance to comply have been financially beneficial. You can hate on it for misplaced ideological reasons but you won't be able to show a negative financial impact on us. The credit rating? Now you are being funny! A) The same credit agencies who said bad mortgage back securities were triple A have credibility with you? B) The debt ceiling fraud caused by the Republicans in an attempt to blame President? They agree to the budget knowing it requires raising the ceiling, the payment comes due and they turn on the political gamesmanship? Really? You are proud of that phoney-baloney activity? Debt is a long-term issue that needs to be managed/reduced over time. Short term cuts to the 10% of the descretionary budget are not the answer. Do you believe laying off people helps reduce the unemployment numbers? Do you believe reducing tax revenues lowers the deficit? Really?

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BigE 1 year ago

I believe this country needs balance and different ideas and perspectives. I respect folks who support their arguments with facts. Some ideas on the right I agree with and some on the left I agree with. The absolute silly hollow rhetoric and name calling presented on this board by folks who consider themselves as true Americans is more than disappointing.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

I think I might like this guy @ BigE

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BigE 1 year ago

And for all you small government folks... Who's kicking our butts? Russia, China, India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia? Are they doing it with small, uninvolved governments? Do some research on what the Saudi's are investing in solar energy!
http://www.pv-tech.org/news/saudi_arabia_targets_41gw_of_solar_installations_by_2032

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

BigE anyone who says green energy is not relevent is full of it, however as a self styled conservative, I am willing to invest in green energy, but not at the expense of our current infastructure, you let me drill for oil, build some new nuclear facilities, and I will let you spend money on solar power, that is called comprimise. And it gives us both what we want, a path to a greener future, while allowing our current energy crisis to abait. And it gets us out of the middle east.

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skylinefirepest 1 year ago

Biggie...when has unemployment been higher and what was it? I agree with you that we should do better screening of these things, so my bad....now just why is it that the government is using OUR money to invest in private enterprise in the first place?? Re-reading my comment I can see where you might be confused...Obama's regulations have not restricted hiring, they have restricted the way business is done in the capalist market and therefore hiring is affected. That better? Obamacare is partially implemented and I fail to see what you refer to as being positive financially about it...our projected costs are more zeros than I can add up without a piece of paper. Your nonsense about the credit limit and our national credit rating has me baffled....I don't recall saying anything at all about mortgage companies, did I ? I absolutely believe that lowering the tax rates improves the economy as it's always worked in the past and the Democrats have always loved tax and spend and that has never worked out for us.

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skylinefirepest 1 year ago

BigE...by the way, where does your name come from? I'm old enough to know what I think of when I see that and I happen to own a black powder actuated engine start cartridge from the "Big E". Given to me by the son of a former squadron commander who served on it.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

It could just as easily be Big Eric

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Nezumi 1 year ago

Skyline - unemployment during the many years of the Great Depression hovered around 25% if memory serves.

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Nezumi 1 year ago

Thanks Thatcher - that's a handy site.

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Thatcher 1 year ago

No problem. Be well!

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JD 1 year ago

The problem with most regulation is it is just bureaucratic. Financial institution fines dwarf what the company makes in profit from breaking said regulatory rules. The fines have no teeth and people will gauge if the cost is worth the profit. Reform is needed by either gutting useless government institutions and applying pressure from other public organizations or streamlining how corrective measures can be taken from the state or federal governments. I like the EPA and what they do I just wish they were effective in actually protecting and enforcing environmental laws. See fracking coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

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BigE 1 year ago

With regard to BigE... lets just say it is better than E.D.! ;) Companies are hiring! Unemployment among the college educated is about 4.5%. Pull up every bio/pharma company's website. They have tons of openings. Check every hospital, they all need nurses. Blue collar, middle class assembly and construction jobs have gone away due to the housing bubble bursting, greater automation and efficiency, and a competitive global marketplace. Free trade does not always work in our favor. Sure we can buy cheap imported goods at Walmart but at the expense of the American worker. Again, Skyline, Obama is not the reason jobs went away. I've been ranting about jobs leaving for 12 years. I predicted that they would all be gone before any of the politicians (of either party) would figure it out. I told everyone who would listen that one day the government was going to wake up and say, "Where'd all the jobs go?" Now your regulation rant...There was an article in the National Review with a title something like "The Problem With Capitalism are the Capitalists." My point is that in a perfect world with honest and ethical people we wouldn't have to regulate companies; they would police themselves. The realities are everyone cheats. Stop the cheating and unethical behavior and the regulations go away. Won't happen, money is too great a temptation for all. Why do bankers take unreasonable risks? For $14MM salaries. I have lots of right wing friends. They want no regulation and no penalties. Yup, that may stimulate in the short term, but kiss the quality of life away for the vast majority of Americans if that is the righteous path. The free market ain't policing executive compensation and neither are the shareholders. Let there be unrestricted free markets and see if you like your little lot in life. I guarantee most will not. The debt ceiling? If you are telling me you do not understand that both parts agreed to buy stuff with a credit card and then the Republicans made a big stink when the bill came due then lets stop the discussion and let you go and do some research. It won't take you long. It's pure political theater created by the right. Let's talk about taxes. Your idea that lowering taxes is always helpful. False. It is not a straight line correlation and there is plenty of hard evidence to prove it. Your idea reminds me of the old joke about the two guys travelling on an airplane to Europe. One engine dies and the pilot announces a delay of an hour. A little while later he comes on again to announce a second failed engine and another hour delay. One guy turns to the other and comments on the delays, "We lose a couple more and we might up here for days!" Cutting taxes does not always stimulate growth. What growth has the Bush tax cuts created? How about Reagan raising them 11 times? We have had robust economies with much higher taxes.

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OldSpook 1 year ago

Hey, what a concept; Problems and ideas for solutions! This looks like a great discussion idea BigE. Over in Wanchese I keep hearing complaints about Govt. regulation and hurting the fishing industry. The biggest complaint is their "right" to earn a living without regulation just as their grandfathers. The world has indeed moved on. My consistent if disliked suggestion is that if the jobs you want are not in the area you live, move to where the jobs are or retrain for the job/s that are in your area. I really don't believe our current problems reside exclusively with Repugnant-cans or Demon-cans as parties unto themselves. I believe the problem is with career Politian’s getting rich on our dime and then using the media to have us focus on hating each other (rich/poor, black/white (sound familiar)) and not focus on what (or who) they are doing. As for the taxes, I really like a fair tax. If you use it, you will pay a tax on it across the board. Paying a percentage based of your income is an expensive joke. One thing I did like about living in the Socialist countries was their idea of a Value Added Tax (VAT) that was charged on everything but food and basics.
Finally, I apologize for turning this into something of a ramblings rant but this is the first topic with meat on its bones that I've seen in this blog for quite some time. Thank you for your indulgence. Cheers/Dave

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Nezumi 1 year ago

It seems like OldSpook and I have seen some of the same thing. I witnessed widespread, institutionalized VAT avoidance in China - at privately owned shops when you buy something, the clerk will often ask if you want a formal or informal receipt. The formal receipt has VAT (17%) attached. The informal receipt is sufficient for returning defective product and no VAT. The situation got so bad that the tax bureau incorporated scratch-off lottery tickets in every formal receipt as an incentive. But since the formal receipt also records the revenue to the tax bureau, shops actually have a disincentive to use formal receipts.

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BigE 1 year ago

I get so mad when the "powers" manipulate the little people, i.e., us. We have got to stop hating "the other guy." You don't like Obama because he is left of center, fine, but blaming him for everything drives me crazy. Like Bush, he is a decent honorable man doing what he thinks is right. There are always more than one correct answer to a problem. Especially the complex ones that a president deals with on a daily basis. He is not evil, un-American, or a hater of "Whitey." We are all so lazy we allow Fox News, The New York Times, etc., overly influence and reinforce our previously held beliefs. A lifetime in political office is a problem. Swearing an oath to a special interest group is a problem. Having a Supreme Court that votes strictly on party lines is a problem. Swinging too far right or too far left is a problem. Having closed minds is a problem!!!

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sweeti 1 year ago

Thank You BigE!!!!!!!!!!

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geoffcutler 1 year ago

Left of center? Look, your point about extremes is well taken, but left of center to describe Mr. Obama is charitable at best.

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Guy_Forks 1 year ago

I don't use twitter because to use it make you a twit.

Twit: 1. to taunt, tease, ridicule, etc., with reference to anything embarrassing; gibe at. Synonyms: jeer at, mock, insult, deride. 2. to reproach or upbraid. Synonyms: chide, scold, rebuke, criticize, revile, castigate.

Kinda sounds like twitter to me. On the other hand, there is a great site that prominently displays twits by topic, Twitchy.com.

Trending today on Twitter/twitchy: the hash tag #lowerunderobma

http://twitchy.com/2012/05/16/thinkprogress-leaves-the-mockage-door-wide-open-lowerunderobama/

The twits are hilarious. My favorites:

My portfolio. #LowerUnderObama Students' job prospects. #LowerUnderObama Expectations #LowerUnderObama My children's outlook #lowerunderobama Workforce participation. #LowerUnderObama

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

All those things are a problem BigE, but taxing the rich, to pay for more programs that do nothing is in effect....Useless, and expensive.

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BigE 1 year ago

GC- The right has moved right so anyone staying still looks further left in relative terms. Nixon and Reagan are left of today's Republicans. The facts put the president's governance moderate-left. Heck, he has been center-right militarily. Election rhetoric may be populist and pro middle class but corporate America has done very well since we hit bottom in mid 2009. Taxes are lower for most. Obamacare is not a socialized medicine solution, it is not a single payer system. And the mandate was a Republican idea. WRT cap-and-trade see Bush and acid rain. There is nothing far left about this president. Wall St. owns both parties so they will do fine regardless.

GF- Not sure what point you are trying to make but if you are saying the stock market is down you would be wrong. The crash hit bottom about mid 2009. The free fall started well before he was sworn into office so it would only be appropriate, if we cared about being honest, to start the analysis at the bottom in mid-2009. Markets are up, profits are up, jobs are up. It is undeniable. You can debate if the slope of the upward angle might have been different but the counter agument would be that it might not be up at all with different policies. If you throw in the obstructive Republicans into the equation, we have done a pretty good about face. Perfect? Absolutely not, but better.

TAP- I personally don't think governments are the model of efficiency but neither are large corporations. I also do not believe all government programs are optimal but neither are they "do nothing." The are lots of economic theories and positions by many very bright people that can have most of us dizzy. However, I have yet to see any argument that convinces me that starving the beast is useful during a recession or a time of fragile growth. Short term I am pro stimulus growth ideas which aid in long-term budget balancing. I believe the solution is a combination of tax reform (with logical increases) and managed spending reduction. Austerity will throw us back into recession.

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geoffcutler 1 year ago

BigE...Okay.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

@ BigE You seem like a very reasonable guy, in fact your an oddity here. I consider myself fairly reasonable on most topics, some not so much.

I believe that as you put it a combination of tax reform and managed spending reductions are the key to helping the federal government, I also believe unlike some of the more hardcore right that regulations are a good thing when they make sense.

As to getting our economy back on track, while I am not a college educated economic major, I understand that we operate in a global economy. I also understand that it is more expensive to make things in america due to our labor laws. Having said that, and I have said this time and time again, Industry is the driving force of most countries, we however are no longer an industrial nation, we are a technological nation. The problem with this is that the switch has reduced the number of lower wage jobs that are required to sustain the lower middle class and poor sections of our population. The technology we need such as robot workers(not far fetched), Industrial replicators(not far fetched) etc has not yet been invented.

This kinda sounds like a lead up to welfare, because if there are infact never going to be jobs, how do the people survive, there always will be, at least for the next hundred or so years a poor and lower middle class. So what do we do for those people? The first is that we find the new airplane, the new automobile, the new invention that will kick start industrial jobs in our country, and if you like, if we can balance our budget get rid of our deficit, we can pay for it with tax dollars. The new airplane is space, Newt hit it on the head. And we confine the major industrial aspects such as steel work, electrical etc to American manufactures. We also need to level the playing field on the global scale.

We seem to forget something in the grander scheme of things. Countries like China, Saudi Arabia, India, Japan,..They need us a hell of a lot more then we need them. Why is that? because in a pinch, we can make everything that China, Japan, and India makes for us. We also have all the natural resources we will ever need in the form of fossil fuels right here in our own country. We need a better import/export trade policy that makes american industry more competitive on the global market, If a country importing American cars wants to charge a tarriff on those cars such as Japan, we charge the same tarriff on the Jap cars.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

Will this effect global economy? Yes, but at the end of the day we as Americans will survive just fine, in fact we will flourish. To agree with your point how can we do this? We must remove the bonds that tie wall street and our government together. There must be a divide between the public and private sectors. I hate the phrase we are the 99% but in forms of voting, there are more poor and middle class people then their are rich people. We must put into government people who will actually do what the hell there supposed to do.

If none of this works.. and we continue down the path we are in.. the only course of action will become to "dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

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Nezumi 1 year ago

TAP - just commenting on the automotive comment - Japan does not want our cars. It has nothing to do with tariffs, but more to do with styling, and perceived inferior quality, deserved or not. BMW, Mercedes, Cooper-Mini, and many other Euro brands do quite well in Japan and they are all stuck with high tariffs. I see these cars all over the place in Tokyo - many with the steering wheel on the wrong side. But I get your point - Dick Gephart said nearly the same thing in his campaign in 1988. For the US automotives, I believe a successful future lies in strategic acquisitions and joint-ventures overseas (like Daewoo in 1999), and making the car meet the market demands - like they have done with the Buick in China - defying my ridicule and dire predictions when it was announced in 1997.

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Nezumi 1 year ago

One more on the automotive track - since I used to be in that business - a great read, Halberstam's "The Reckoning" followed the parallel development of Ford and Nissan from their origins - fascinating read - but a quarter century out of date - ends with the release of the Taurus in 1986. Still, you see some of the same mistakes from the 1970's repeated in the late 1990's - early 2000's.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

Nezumi, The auto thing was a example of a systemic pattern.

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Nezumi 1 year ago

Sorry - was steeped in the industry for a long time. Ironically, the US automotives contributed to the driving of US industry suppliers to low-cost countries with the "China Price" policy. You're probably going to get more US content in a Marysville, OH manufactured Accord, than a Ford Escape made in St. Louis.

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BigE 1 year ago

Back to Mr. Starr's poorly thought through note... - "failed Keynesian deficit spending" - Keynesian economics is not about deficit spending it is about reducing the amplitude of the business cycle by stimulating demand and reducing unemployment. I'm fairly confident we do not have definitive data to know how high unemployment would have gotten without the stimulus. It may be a failure in that the recover is slower than many would like, however, I am highly confident the actual size of the stimulus required was and is politically unacceptable. In other words, there are a whole lot of economists who will tell you the stimulus was too small relative to the size of our economy. - "attempted wealth redistribution" - Not sure what he is referring to, maybe the Buffet Rule, but let's get something straight, taxes have been used to redistribute wealth for a very long time. The fact that the highest tax rate in this country has continued to decrease (I'm including the ability for the wealthiest to get paid as capital gains at 15% too) is one of the reasons that wealth has been continually shifting or being redistributed from the many to the few over the last 30 years! Is class warfare someone standing up to say, "This ain't right!" Didn't Reagan say that too? - "increase in debt" - Why does the right never consider lost revenue as adding to the debt? The pre-Obama crash subtracted huge amounts of tax revenues that contributed to the debt. The Bush tax cut contributed to the debt, the unfunded Medicare drug benefit contributed, two unfunded wars contributed, and the measures taken to keep the Great Recession from becoming a Great Depression contributed. Has there been waste. I'm sure there has been. But to ignore all the factors contributing to the debt and blaming it all on Obama is ignorant. - "significantly increased government involvement in private business" - Mr. Starr, have you ever looked at the U.S. budget? We are an insurance company with a military. We are already significantly involved in healthcare. The rising costs of technology (which, we the people demand since we are all afraid to die) and the aging of our Baby Boomers will bankrupt the country if we do nothing. Obamacare is a flawed compromise but instead of fighting ideas that were originally created on the right, it might have been better for the country if our Republican friends had some healthcare ideas that went beyond just cutting benefits. WRT to the automotive industry, I am pretty sure there are lots of Americans who are grateful we did not let the industry shrivel up and die. If you know of private capital standing in line to help out then you should have raised your hand. Do you honestly believe the President wanted to nationalize the industry permanently?

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BigE 1 year ago

  • "attacking institutions and industries" - Like who, the selfless capitalists on Wall Street? Like the executives who took risks that paid them enormous salaries knowing that we would have no choice but to bail them out if things went poorly? Like private equity firms who suck cash out of the companies they buy and then load them up with debt resulting in massive cost cutting programs and layoffs? Is raising your hand to say the middle class is disappearing and all the wealth growth is going to people we gave tax breaks to (who didn't need them by the way) "pitting classes against each other"? Aren't there huge social ramifications of having the country's majority live in worsening quality of life? Class warfare has been happening silently. Declaring it unjust seems like the right thing to do to me.
  • "increases in federal bureaucracy and regulation usually at the expense of individual liberty" - Name one, please. I know of no liberties I have lost. I hear a lot of complaining by people who want to restrict liberties on people who are different from them but I know of nothing I cannot do today that I could under the previous president. Aren't there task forces working on eliminating redundant, wasteful regulations? (I know there have been for 100 years!) I bet you right now, though, that we have netted out with significantly fewer regulations then we started at the beginning of his term.

BTW, here is a propaganda slogan for ya - "Taking back America!"

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

Very Nice post BigE

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Thatcher 1 year ago

Bureaucracy? http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/13/morning-bell-obamas-new-regulations-cost-billions/. Don't worry, though, we only have 6 more months to go. Cheers!!

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Thatcher 1 year ago

TAP-- The Fair Tax will ignite an economic growth pattern never seen before. Jobs? Employers will be begging for employees. And it will slow or stop the class warfare stupidity.

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BigE 1 year ago

I don't like when someone totally disregards a source because of their political ideology but anything funded by the Koch brothers isn't really independent of their influence, is it? I'm thinking the methodology and analysis in this area is complicated. Want to bet that you could put 5 economists on every regulation and have them derive a different value on what they think the impact might be in the future. I'm not disregarding your link, just saying the subject is a bit more complicated than a single Republican think-tank paper. I'm not a one data point type of guy.

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The_AnonymusProfit 1 year ago

Which is why it will never happen

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Thatcher 1 year ago

BigE-- Seems to me you are far too intelligent to cite the Koch brothers...like the liberals who scream "Halliburton" reflexively. Do you like the Fair Tax? I'd really like to know what you think about it. Cheers!

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BigE 1 year ago

Sorry, no opinion on it specifically. In general, however, any program that raises the real tax rate on the middle class and lowers it on the top 5% doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Maybe you know something about the Kochs that I do not. Please share. I am comfortable with my assessment but will always consider additional information.

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Thatcher 1 year ago

BigE-- The Fair Tax doesn't do that. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer. Take a minute to read it...not what liberals say about it. Cheers!

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