It’s Not Intolerance
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I have read in your newspaper several articles about Amendment One (the vote on gay marriage). They always use the word “tolerance.”
Thank God for Commissioners Picerno and Caddell. “Tolerance” has brought our nation to the brink of disaster.
This nation is under God’s judgment and we should have articles about repenting and turning away from our sin, but instead the people who think Christians are intolerant prevail.
The fact is we will all stand before a holy God and give an account of our life here on Earth, and “tolerance” won’t be mentioned.
Mr. Jones’ letter (March 14) stated “intolerance is at the heart of every extremist movement and that it is the 21st century fear-mongering.” He says “tolerance is trusting and gentle.”
I wonder if the Wall Street crowd had heard that? The facts are that the Wall Street group (that most editors and letter writers applauded) were filthy, morally off the charts and tore up private property.
If you want to talk about ignorance, a good part of them had no idea why they were there, but they were tolerant, as opposed to the tea party, who conduct themselves in an orderly manner and clean up after themselves.
But don’t forget, “we are intolerant.” The 21st century has nothing to do with what’s right and what’s wrong. It doesn’t change with whatever the majority thinks is right and wrong. This supposedly “intolerant” person would challenge you to put the 10 Commandments in every classroom in North Carolina and put God to the test to see if it had any effect.
Also, we were not founded on the Muslim religion; we were founded on Judeo-Christian principles. That is what made this country great.
Lastly, just because you believe something is not true, doesn’t mean it isn’t.
Carol Price
Pinehurst
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JER 1 year, 1 month ago
Ms. Price, just because you believe something IS true doesn't mean it is. As an example, in your letter, you state that "The fact is we will all stand before a holy God and give an account of our life here on Earth". I am not trying to tell you what to believe or mock your beliefs, but your statement is not a "fact". It is your belief, but cannot be proven as a "fact". We won't know if it is a fact until after we die. As a result, I would prefer that our civil laws not be written based on your religious beliefs. If you don't want to marry another woman, don't. If you don't want to follow a "Muslim religion", don't. You see, this is how freedom works. You are free to live your life as you see fit. Why is it difficult for you to understand that other people want that same freedom? If it turns out after they die that how they lived their lives was, indeed, against the great spirit in the sky, they will be the ones to suffer the consequences, not you.
ProudYankee 1 year, 1 month ago
Ms. Price, you sound like the American version of the Taliban.
geoffcutler 1 year, 1 month ago
Please excuse this interruption on this new thread, but Jer, if you're going to ask questions of other commenters, would you mind trying to do it during reasonable daylight hours and not minutes before the thread is shut down. The Pilot allows these threads to be active for three days after they are originally posted, then they are closed and the new stories come up.You have a habit of commenting for the last word, or asking questions of others that can't be answered.
We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.
DoubleHeroides 1 year, 1 month ago
@geoffcutler. Not to be that guy but his post at this time says it was seven hours 38 minutes ago. And looking at the Pilot for the first time today as opposed to yesterday this article is fairly new. I would say it was posted yesterday evening. If it is up for three days as you say then there should be no issue with someone responding all day today and well into tomorrow.
Courseaire 1 year, 1 month ago
@geoffcutler - JER actually posted 2 hours after your last post. BTW - JER, I liked your last post from Dusty's piece..
jimt 1 year, 1 month ago
I'm going out on a limb here and bet that Ms. Price doesn't own a computer, and thus will never respond to any comments regarding her letter; and two, the only books she owns and reads are the bible and books/articles written by leaders of the religious right. And Proud Yankee, you're absolutely correct, the same psychological mindset that produced the Ayatollahs and the Taliban are to be found in Ms. Price's letter.
teufelhunden 1 year, 1 month ago
You guys are intolerant. Why is that?
fugitiveguy 1 year, 1 month ago
"And Proud Yankee, you're absolutely correct, the same psychological mindset that produced the Ayatollahs and the Taliban are to be found in Ms. Price's letter."
I have to call bs here. I am almost 48yrs old. The only time I have had the least bit of coercion regarding religion in my lifetime and it was hardly coercion was when the Jehovah's witnesses came calling and when years ago in Rockingham the mailbox preacher at BiLo would stand and bellow his sermon. Its one thing to disagree with the writer but to draw any sort of comparison to the Taliban and the tactics of radical Muslims is pure fantasy. Predictable yes, but still fantasy.
jimt 1 year, 1 month ago
That's right Tuffy, Ms. Price is the tolerant one. If you answered that 2 + 2 = 5 and the teacher marks your answer as wrong does that make him/her intolerant? Apparently so in you world.
Fugitiveguy, believe what you want, but if Ms Price had the poltical power, backed by superiorarmed force, I have lettle doubt that she would attempt to impose her beliefs on everyone else by force as because she believes doing so is a religious necessity in that she'd be doing God's will as she understands it. That IS exactly how the Ayatollah's and Taliban think, and why I believe her mindset is exactly the same as theirs.
JER 1 year, 1 month ago
geoffcutler: Sorry, I didn't know you had imposed a time frame for posting. Do you receive any pay or benefits in your role as the time police? The post directed at you in Dusty's column was my second attempt to get you to answer a yes or no question. For you to claim that I didn't give you any time to respond is another example of how you slither around facts. This morning,you had an opportunity to give your answer but elected to avoid the question once again by diverting attention to when I choose to post my comments and questions. The secret of your success...keep talking but don't say anything that you can be quoted on.
JER 1 year, 1 month ago
Courseaire: Thanks!!
DaveyNC 1 year, 1 month ago
Ms. Price, a question for you although I suspect that, as jimt says you are blissfully computer-free: Those Judeo-Christian principles that you reference as the basis for our founding? What do you think predated them? Are you saying, for instance, that the notion of killing someone being a bad thing wasn't codified anywhere until they were written down in the Bible?
Here's a shocker for you: many of us do not share your beliefs, nor do we wish to be governed by your beliefs. Personally, I prefer to be governed by the rule of law, not according to your whims or anyone else's. I have little doubt that a Christian theocracy would be just as oppressive as an Islamic theocracy.
moonchild7 1 year, 1 month ago
"Tolerance has brought our nation to the brink of disaster". WOW! What a statement, Carol Price.Those evangelical nutz are really scarey. And yes jimt, you are so correct. If "these right wing nutz" had the POWER that they are trying desperately to achieve they'd be the AMERICAN TALIBAN. Women would be banned from higher education and from having careers. Women would be home, barefoot and pregnant. Bibles would be MANDATED to be in all homes, and if you had a Koran, a Book of Mormon, the Hindu Vedas, or perhaps a Native American PEACE PIPE, they would be confiscated and BURNED. GOD won't mention TOLERANCE in the afterlife(hopefully there is one)? TOLERANCE will be close to the first words(if there are words)mentioned when asked about yourself and how you treated others! "The facts are that the Wall Street group were filthy, morally off the charts and tore up private property." Well, Ms. Price, fighting and/or demonstrating in the name of equality, fairness, understanding and against corruption isn't pretty. You do understand that when the BIBLE talks about "FILTH" and "CLEANLINESS", it's about the Cleanliness of the SOUL and not the actual human body? I see a lot of DIRTY SOULS out there Ms. Price in CLEAN bodies, but I also see quite a few "CLEAN SOULS" covered with DIRT on their bodies. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of people to peacably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Ms. Price, no one's going to take your Christian Religion away from you, just don't FORCE it on others who might believe differently. The Occupy Wallstreet Group was trying to "peacably assemble" until they were ATTACKED by the police. I don't think you have a clue about America and it's Constitution. Do You?
teufelhunden 1 year, 1 month ago
MC7-The Occupy Wallstreet Group was trying to "peacably assemble" until they were ATTACKED by the police.
Really?
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
teufelhunden, that's how I saw it too. Our police are increasingly being militarized which inevitably leads to a hardening of the us vs. them mentality. As the OWS movement has spread, the violence has been almost entirely one way. The beatings, tasings and gassings have been wildly disproportionate to any offense by those invoking their right to assemble.
As to tolerance, assaults on liberty should not be tolerated. Allowing others to force our adherence to their religious beliefs through force of law is impermissible in this country, which was founded not in furtherance of religion but in spite of it. Bear in mind that King George ruled as God's chosen. The divine right of kings was not a hollow phrase in those days.
MikeNC 1 year, 1 month ago
JimHeim 53 minutes ago...Our police are increasingly being militarized which inevitably leads to a hardening of the us vs. them mentality. As the OWS movement has spread, the violence has been almost entirely one way. The beatings, tasings and gassings have been wildly disproportionate to any offense by those invoking their right to assemble.
With everything that has been taped and recorded on the OWS crowd and that is your conclusion? And you are the leader of the local Democratic party here in Moore County? Do you have a speaking engagement schedule posted Jim as I would love to come listen to what you place or try to place in people's minds; especially our youth...Mike
JustThinking 1 year, 1 month ago
AMEN! Ms. Price, Thank you for this article. And I can't believe the Pilot published it! Wow, I'm sure "the others" that have commented here have had a great time bashing this one. Maybe that's the reason it was published. Great voice and good points. Thanks!
jimt 1 year, 1 month ago
DaveyNC, you don't have to speculate that a Christian theocracy being as oppresive as an Islamic one. Most of Europe "coutries" prior to the englightment were theocratic kingdoms.
mcg2010 1 year, 1 month ago
The same people who scream about the importance of Christianity in our government tolerance are the same people screaming about how Shria Law is going to take over the county. Classic.
JER 1 year, 1 month ago
mcg2010: And the truly amazing aspect is that folks like Carol Price (the letter writer) and JustThinking (a really ironic moniker) fail to see the similarities.
Thevoice 1 year, 1 month ago
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pacer 1 year, 1 month ago
I thought our country was founded on FREEDOM of religion not just for Christians? Whatever happened to that seperation of church and state thing, that was in there too, I think?
jimt 1 year, 1 month ago
Pacer, as Rick Santorum, God's chosen candidate for president no doubt (or so he earnestly believes) has recently told us, there is no such thing as separation of church and state, even the mere mentioning of it is apparently enough to make him vomit (his words no mine).
And all Americans do have the right to the freedom of relegion. It's just the case that if you worship in the wrong religion (e.g. all thoses other than fundamentalist evangelical christrianity, or in Rick's case, fundamentalist Catholicism) you don't get to have any role in running the Country politically or influencing legislation or rules that have what these fine folks consider to have a moral implication.
Jeez, I thought everyone already knew this from the actions of the Teahadists in Congress and State Legislatures of the last year and half or so.
pacer 1 year, 1 month ago
Thanks for clearing that up for me, JimT, I should pay closer attention when the infidels speak.
JER 1 year, 1 month ago
geoffcutler: It is 22 minutes after noon on the east coast. I still have not seen a reply from you. Do you need more time?
JoeGarrison 1 year, 1 month ago
Great letter, thanks for writing it Mrs. Price. Don't let the fear monger and those who are intolerant of faith and traditional values define this argument. This is about the people defining in our state constitution how marraige should be defined so an activist judge won't igonore the law we have on the books and create his own law. Vote for Amendment 1 on May 8th.
JoeGarrison 1 year, 1 month ago
Check out the poster for a marriage rally in Raleigh. If you can come please do and tell your friends and neighbors. http://www.returnamerica.org/2012%20Return%20America%20Marriage%20Rally.pdf
Vote for Amendment 1 on May 8th.
Blue_Note 1 year, 1 month ago
Uh, news flash for you there Carol...The Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians. And the so called "Christians" that were in America during it's beginnings were the same ones that thought it was ok to own and beat and sell slaves. I am a Protestant and I plan on voting NO on Amendment One. I refuse to be a bigot and swim in the same pool of hate that you do.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
Garrison, I'll be there. Of course the over-sized sign I'm going hold up might not carry the bigoted message you'd prefer.
LeeMcGraw 1 year, 1 month ago
Jim, Joe is not a bigot. Please be careful with that nasty word. If, by the first part of the definition he is a bigot, then so are you. I don't believe you are by any means. The second part of the def. of bigot is a definition not of anyone whom we would acknowledge. he is hard headed and hard lined, as well as tough to compromise with, but not a bigot. Archie Bunker is a bigot.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
Lee, I regard your opinion highly. But those who would limit rights because of a person's religion, national origin, color, sex or sexual orientation are bigots. There is simply no other way to put it.
The Constitution grants all of us equal rights. There are no conditions. But there are people who wish to divide us and relegate some of us to second class citizenship. I challenge them to justify their position. Where in the Constitution do they get the right to do that?
justmyopinion 1 year, 1 month ago
"Of course the over-sized sign I'm going hold up might not carry the bigoted message you'd prefer."
Jim- practicing your writing for Rush?
LeeMcGraw 1 year, 1 month ago
Thank you Chairman Heim, I repect your opinion. I just respectfully disagree that "Bigot" is the right word. From Webster online...Bigot-"a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance " With that, I don't see how calling people who agree with Joe ,"bigots," is not bigotry in itself. First he was grouped and sterotyped, then hated with strong language, and not tolerated. I dunno, I guess it's a good thing to get upset about the word "bigot" It keeps us looking in the mirror to make sure we do the best we can do to check ourselves.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
jmo, still trying to make the Limbaugh thing about name calling? It was about lying, a different topic altogether.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
Lee, my definition of bigot is this one: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
Those who single out gays for persecution fit the definition I prefer, IMO.
justmyopinion 1 year, 1 month ago
Heim,- last week you're complaining about the name calling and now this week you say you were complaining about the lie? Huh???
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
jmo - The Limbaugh name calling was based on a lie, as I noted on almost all occasions. Limbaugh could not attack Ms. Fluke based on her testimony, so he made up a caricature to attack. Sorry, that's too sleazy for our political discourse.
Lots of other folks were upset about name calling. I was not one of them.
DaveyNC 1 year, 1 month ago
JimHeim, lost in all the Limbaugh's hullaballoo (and it deserved to be a hullaballoo) was the meat of his and the conservative's beliefs on Ms. Fluke's position. In essence, she wanted everybody else to subsidize her choice of birth control and made some indefensible claims as to the availability and cost of birth control. She was a terrible messenger for that position, turned into a bit of a martyr by Limbaugh's idiocy. Name calling aside, Fluke's position amounted to little more than her hoping to impose her own beliefs on the rest of us.
There was plenty to criticize Fluke over and make a clear point without resorting to the sort of language that Limbaugh used.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
DaveyNC. All Ms. Fluke talked about were the women who need precription hormones found in birth control pills to remedy such things as ovarian cysts and endometriosis. She said note one word about her sex life or whether she ever used contraceptives. Not. One. Word.
Beyond that, she pays every dollar for her health insurance through the school. Georgetown University does not pay one cent toward that insurance. Tell me again why they should dictate what that insurance covers.
justmyopinion 1 year, 1 month ago
Jim Heim says "Lots of other folks were upset about name calling. I was not one of them."
Guess I will just have to call you out on that one and I will make a wager that says you were definitely calling Rush names. Jim, you lie so well and so much that you now believe your own lies.
JimHeim 1 year, 1 month ago
Of course I called Rush names. Read my response again. I was not upset with name calling. My point is and was that Rush lied to make Ms Fluke into something she was not. The names he called her were lies, plain and simple.
Again, I have no beef with name calling. I don't like people lying about others to make their points.
That said, there are limits. I don't think it's fair to attack children because you don't like their parents. That's just wrong.
fugitiveguy 1 year, 1 month ago
"intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views"
You just described yourself as well as the other 3-4 frequent posting Pilot liberals. I couldn't have written a better defintion if I spent all day trying.