If Romney Ads Always Just Told the Truth
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The 1990 movie "Crazy People" stars Dudley Moore as an ad executive who suffers a nervous breakdown and starts writing ads based on honesty about what the products are really about.
Ads like: "Metamucil: It Helps You Go to the Toilet. If You Don't Use It, You'll Get Cancer and Die." And "Jaguar: For Men Who'd Like [sex] From Beautiful Women They Hardly Know."
After his bosses have Moore's character committed to an insane asylum, the ads accidentally get released to the public and become runaway hits. The bosses, after finding out that they can't replicate Moore's success, turn to him and his fellow inmates to create ads for the new "honesty in advertising" craze.
I think about that movie a lot when watching political ads. I wonder what would happen if "honesty in advertising" took hold in the Romney campaign:
VOICEOVER: Mitt Romney. Some liberals call him a flip-flopper. He was for a path to citizenship for illegals, then he was against it. He opposed amendments to define marriage as between one man and one woman, then supported them. He supported a universal mandate for people to buy health insurance, then called it socialism. He said he was a moderate "through and through," and now he says he's "severely conservative."
ROMNEY: "I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was."
VOICEOVER: But there's one thing Mitt Romney is consistent about and always has been. He's a Republican. Barack Obama isn't a Republican. So there.
BANNER: Mitt Romney. Vote for him. Because he's the Republican.
ROMNEY: I'm Mitt Romney, and I approved this message. At least for now.
Or how about this one:
VOICEOVER: Some liberals say Mitt Romney has a problem with the truth. He's claimed that Barack Obama didn't say it was unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon and that military options were still on the table.
OBAMA: "When I say we're not taking any option off the table, we mean it. ... I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."
VOICEOVER: He's claimed that his position on the auto industry bailout was "exactly what President Obama followed." But in 2009, he wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times urging lawmakers to "let Detroit go bankrupt."
VISUAL: Picture of newspaper headline: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt by Mitt Romney."
VOICEOVER: He claimed that Barack Obama never mentioned the deficit or the debt in the State of the Union Address when he mentioned it six times.
VISUAL: Clips of President Obama talking about the deficit and the debt in his Jan. 24, 2012, State of the Union Speech. Fade to the Politifact website's "Pants on Fire" symbol.
VOICEOVER: But there's one thing you can trust about Mitt Romney: He, you know, looks like you. And Barack Obama is ... well, you know.
BANNER: Mitt Romney. Vote for him. He may be a liar, but he's not ... well, you know.
ROMNEY: I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve of this message. If you don't, then you're just calling everyone racist who doesn't agree with you.
Or this:
VOICEOVER: Some liberals, like the ones who write The Wall Street Journal's "Market Watch," say that Massachusetts under Mitt Romney was 47th in the nation in job creation. That during his tenure, Massachusetts' job growth was at 0.9 percent, far behind the national average of more than 5 percent. Some other liberals have said that Romney's top economic adviser has said that outsourcing American jobs to other countries is a "good thing." Meanwhile, under President Obama, we've had two years of positive job growth after suffering massive losses under the last Republican president. Liberals say these things, and ... well, yeah, they're true. But you should ignore all that and vote for Mitt Romney anyway, because he knows how to create jobs. Because he says he does.
BANNER: Mitt Romney. Never mind the facts. He'll create jobs this time. Really.
This is, after all, the essence of the messages I keep hearing from so-called conservatives turned born-again Romneyites: "Yeah, we don't really like him, but he's not Obama." Why not be up front about it?
Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage. Contact him at dustyr@nc.rr.com.
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moonchild7 11 months ago
I've never seen 'Crazy People" but it sounds rather funny. Peter Sellers in "Being There" was about sorta the same thing. Sellers spoke constant "Non-Sense" to the "Elite" and they thought he was a Genious. He had been a reclusive gardener who's only education came from watching tv. Why tell the truth when people still only want to believe the LIES? Denial, Dusty is ingrained at this point and only the LIES seem to work. That's of course because everyone has become so stupid and crazy that even trying to find out what the TRUTH really is, is just too much trouble. Look at those "Special Re-Call Elections" just held in Wisconsin. The TEAPOTTERS want All Unions to be GONE. Yet those Public Unions and others have been responsible for having created the GREATEST Middle Class the World has ever known. The Republicans are actually telling people that Teachers, Firemen, and Policemen, are BAD and are the reason our country is "Failing". But that being what it is and BAD enough, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BELIEVE THOSE LIES!!!!! I say GO, Romney GO! I'm getting where I just don't care and am constantly laughing at how STUPID people are. You are buying the LIES and YOU deserve them. Romney is a CYBORG of the Mormon Church and Republican Party or better known as WHITE on WHITE.
theoldguy 11 months ago
Absolutely spot on.....funny and true (but really very sad when you think about it) So this is what we've become, eh?
clarabelle 11 months ago
smiles............ I am shocked the far right here haven't commented yet. Must be church at the big trailer in the back and then lunch next to the old tire pile........
lakeview 11 months ago
"The Republicans are actually telling people that Teachers, Firemen, and Policemen, are BAD and are the reason our country is "Failing". But that being what it is and BAD enough.
Talk about bold face lies but from Moon, what do you expect
fatboy 11 months ago
Pretty good fiction Dusty. I wonder what the difference is between flip-flopping and evolving.
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
Actually, Lake, Romney did criticize Obama for wanting "more firemen, more policemen and more teachers." This is a fact.
Mitt Romney Criticizes President Obama For Wanting To Hire More Police, Firemen and Teachers by cubmerdu
So Moon isn't lying, you are. But what else do you expect from lakeview?
lakeview 11 months ago
DR- that's a far stretch from saying there BAD and the reason our country is failing. Nice spin Liar. Show me where the republicans said exactly what Moon claims or admit she lied. Its real simple.
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
Actually, it isn't a stretch at all. So get stuffed.
lakeview 11 months ago
Its takes a pretty stupid individual to believe that anyone (republican or democrat) would think teachers are bad for our country. Any argument attempting to support that notion is simply formed from a weak mind for political points and that is actually what is causing our country to fail.
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
He said what he said, and he's been trying to weasel out of it ever since, with the help of rubes like you.
Facts are facts, and the fact is that the current GOP has made hatred and jealousy of public sector employees a major talking point, and that includes teachers, firefighters, and cops. It's disgusting.
The idea of “guaranteeing the government will keep its fire, police, and teachers intact … is not an effective way to get the economy going.”—Mitt Romney, 12/29/11
When one retired firefighter in New Hampshire said he was drawing a reduced Social Security check because he also had a state pension, the former Massachusetts governor was less than sympathetic. “If there’s a competition for who will give you the most free stuff, go vote for that guy.”
When the man said he wasn’t asking for any handouts, Romney said, “You knew what you were getting into. … I wish you well, but I’m not going to promise you more bucks.” (AP story, Dec. 30, 2011)
There's your conservative hero. Pfft.
coffecreme 11 months ago
Ask the homeschoolers
buskwon 11 months ago
CBS's 60 Minutes reported on 04.01.2012 that 3 months before the general election Obama told 7000 workers in NASA's space program that he would not cancel the Constellation space program. Not only did he lie to their face and do the exact opposite of what he promised, the 7000 person lay off devastated that area's economy. Another 7000 people were directly effected by Obama's decision. Businesses failed sending people into foreclosure and bankruptcy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_yhg...
Reggie_Mantle 11 months ago
I thought you conservatives were all for privatization? And I thought government spending doesn't create jobs?
Guess it's just another example of "Obama done gone and did it, so we's against it."
bufordsplay 11 months ago
Public sector unions are destroying our country and people are sick of it. These unions should be outlawed because they hold the taxpayers hostage and like an unfettered Federal Government , no matter how much the unions recieve it's never enough. Obama spent a Trillion dollars of our money to bolster union jobs when he said it was for shovel ready jobs and infrastucture. He lied. It's interesting how when there is a discussion of a spending cut, it's always Firefighters, Police officers and teachers jobs that Liberals threaten to cut first. Romney was right that increasing these jobs will not help the economy because these jobs don't produce anything so it's a zero sum game. It's like putting a dollar in a change machine, getting four quarters back and think you have won something.
The_AnonymusProfit 11 months ago
Yea i am a bit confused here. Could i not say the exact same thing about obama or any nunber if pokiticians?
lakeview 11 months ago
TAP- I too am confused by DR quoting Mitt ( “If there’s a competition for who will give you the most free stuff, go vote for that guy.” ) Isn't that the political agenda and battle cry of the democrat?
Gimme, Gimme Gimme, right?
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
So lakeview sees nothing wrong with his new conservative hero being dismissive and disrespectful to a retired firefighter. Thanks for proving my points yet again.
buskwon 11 months ago
The_AnonymusProfit , Yes you could say the same thing about Obama but the far left loonies refuse to listen. They have there heads buried so far in the sand or somewhere else.
buskwon 11 months ago
by buskwon
Thatcher 11 months ago
DR (3 hours, 11 min. ago)-- Where to start? This "hire more firemen, policemen, and teachers" mantra is quite sad. First, these types of employees typically are hired/fired from the state/local level (ever heard of a federal firefighter?). It is a classic straw-man argument: if we cut federal spending we'll have to fire police, firemen, and teachers...blah, blah, blah. The fact is we could drastically cut federal spending without affecting any of these folks. http://wizbangblog.com/2012/06/13/police-firefighters-and-teachers-oh-my/. And why do Democrats scream that firemen, police, and teachers must be the first group cut? What about the hundreds of duplicative federal jobs and welfare programs, whose employees accomplish nothing? http://theccpp.org/2011/09/federal-government-cannot-identify-how-many-government-welfare-programs-exist-much-less-whether-they.html. http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jun/30/jim-jordan/rep-jim-jordan-says-7-18-food-programs-check-out-1/. Finally, as to your comment that conservatives really don't like Romney, "but he's not Obama," and why don't we be upfront about about it, how about this: I think Romney is a nice guy, but not conservative enough for me (although he does understand economics and free markets very well). I think Obama is a nice guy, but has no clue about any of these things (hence the ridiculous "teachers, firemen, and police" mantra). I prefer conservative-lite over socialism-lite. I'll be voting for Romney. Cheers!
Thatcher 11 months ago
And if you really want to downsize the federal government (which has nothing to do with firemen, police, and teachers), consider this: http://blog.heritage.org/2010/10/29/morning-bell-how-to-cut-federal-spending/. Being honest about the problem is the first step.
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
Thatch has once again hit it on the head. I don't really like Romney but I absolutely hate what Obama has done to this country. And if you wish to talk about lies what about the Obama ads that are airing already?? And don't forget, Dusty, that the "private sector is doing just fine:" ....so if you want to talk about having an understanding of how the country is doing right now, don't ask Obama, 'cause he ain't got a clue!!! I have a hard time believing that all you libs are really going to vote for Obama, simply because I know that some of you are really rather intelligent....and an intelligent person could not look at what Obama has done and his blithering incompetence and vote for him FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY.
Thatcher 11 months ago
Thanks skylinefirepest. To me, this is no different than a family claiming that they would not be able to pay for little Meg's doctor treatments....while ignoring that they spend hundreds on restaurants, nail care, and a lawn service. Can't cut those things, right? When it comes to federal spending, liberals just can't be truthful. Cheers!
Thatcher 11 months ago
And clarabelle (7 hours, 11 min. ago), my family and I did go to church this morning. It was a great service! You should join us sometime! Cheers!
moonchild7 11 months ago
College Educations are not needed for anyone who wants to be a Firemen or Policeman, yet they pay well and have good benefits (unless Romeny gets voted into office). They are also on the list of MOST DANGEROUS JOBS. They are supposed to pay well because of the risks. Teachers should be paid very well also and for those who are not performing well in their jobs they need to be disciplined or fired. The Republicans want to rid us of ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES and lessen GOV'T to a big fat NOTHING. Sad and Sick minded. Home-Schooled children are an abomination and are being controlled mostly by some "Pseduo-Religious" Curriculum's that their parents adhere to. I've known several homeschooled children..NONE who went onto college...a few are in Prison and the others never went further than a couple of blocks from their parents homes. They're STUNTED. From the Wash. Post's FACT CHECKER, 6-15-12: "The Fed. Govt has doled out loads of education money to the states, ever since Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965...The Federal Emergency Management Agency has awarded about $1.9 billion in Federal Grants to local fire depts since 2005.....In terms of police, the US Dept. of Justice has provided a total of about $14.8 billion in federal grants since 1994 to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies...since 1981 The Feds have allocated at least $390 Billion to help pay for these and other agencies." The Fact Checker gave Romney only 3 Pinocchios out of 4 figuring he just "slipped up". You guys are idiots. Thanks Dusty for your support...I was out picking Dewberries this afternoon enjoying the beautiful weather so I couldn't respond before now. These guys must be breathing Fumes.
Thatcher 11 months ago
MC7-- This is why we love you. "Home-schooled children are an abomination" and "NONE have went to college." Really? Any liberals care to disagree? We'll wait.
Thatcher 11 months ago
MC7-- Consider this: http://www.degreeinfo.com/off-topic-discussions/35831-so-how-do-homeschooled-students-do-when-they-go-college.html. Or from your favorite site: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/homeschooled-students-wel_n_1562425.html. Let's not let facts get in your way.
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
"Romney: He may not know that Europe isn't a single country, but then neither do you."
Thatcher 11 months ago
Thankfully, Obama is wise enough to know that Europe isn't a single country. Is he wise enough to know that most all European countries are bankrupt? Because of reckless spending?
Thatcher 11 months ago
Light reading for liberals: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a3b399d4-b47a-11e1-bb68-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1y6Qakr7W. Good try, though,
moonchild7 11 months ago
Not sure what you're getting at or which article you're referring to Thatcher, but you guys do know that the CROOKS, THIEVES, GREEDMIESTERS, and LIARS from AMERICAS corrupt Banks are the reason that Europe is at the BRINK. They got the Europeans to "Buy Into" their Credit Default Swap Ponzi Schemes and that was that. There are a few of those American guys who've personaly reaped BZillions but when it comes to Firemen, Policemen, or Teachers, the TEAPOTTERS are really crazed that some of them might earn $50,00, $75,00 or $100,000 a year...plus some Benefits. Romney and his Wall Street Pals are "Slick and Sick" Willies TIMES 2! Thatcher, I said, "None who went to college", NOT "None have went to college."
Thatcher 11 months ago
Thanks MC7! You capture the liberal argument very well. Even DR can't disagree with that. Or can he?
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
Interesting fantasies you have there, Moonie. Actually if you want to get somewhere in firefighting or law enforcement today you need a good education. Are you aware that there are schools where you can get advanced classes in fire management and law enforcement?? Even a good percentage of your military are college educated today, Moonie. Just warms the old cockles of your heart, don't it?? College educated trigger pullers....wow, wouldn't think you'd need an education for that, would you? Apparently, Moonie, you just don't have a clue of how Conservatives think, and just like your idol, you think that those that feed at the public trough are the best of America and we can't do without them. Funny how your idol talks about doing away with the pay for the military and how police and fire takes the first hit anytime the cash flow gets a little sticky. No idea of doing away with the multitudes of duplicity in government jobs, right??
JD 11 months ago
When did Buskwon get into self photography? The Pilot... staying classy...
OldSpook 11 months ago
Do you know how to tell when politian’s and lawyers are telling lies? Their lips (or fingers) are moving.
honesty2 11 months ago
So when do write the column about Obama and his administration telling the truth (or lack thereof) i.e. Fast and Furious, WH leaks?
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
When did Buskwon get into self photography? The Pilot... staying classy
Well, once again, the wingnuts get a pass. I'd have gotten a post deleted for something like that. Might've even gotten a phone call at work. But they bend over backwards not to appear "biased" so liberals get whacked for "vulgarity" and "name calling", and people like lakeview can say any kind of garbage they like.
"honesty", you want to write an op-ed, feel free. But you'd need to write it in English. something you seem to have a problem with.
Reggie_Mantle 11 months ago
Actually, DR you're right AND you're wrong. I've seen this stuff before. Companies and newspapers have comment sections because they think they need to, but they're to cheap to hire someone to run it, including enforcing the rules. So the trolls and loons and gooneybirds move in and poison the pond until it festers like an infected zit. Then when it busts, the people in charge come running in, all shocked at how bad it's gotten, and start deleting and banning left and right.Mostly left, though, because like you say, they think they're being "fair." It's not directed at you. It's just random, and it's why most newspaper comment sites are so ridiculous, including this one. I just come in to point fingers and laugh at all the geeks and retards before going on my way.
MikeNC 11 months ago
Sorry MC, but you are not being truthful when you say "teapotters want to be rid of all Unions". What people on the right object to, is the 'ponzi' scheme of State Unions supporting Democrat elected official and in turn get "lush" benefits at the taxpayers expense. Even FDR, recognized how seriously flawed it would be to allow Federal Employees to become Unionized. It is getting to the point where State Employee Unions are breaking the backs of the taxpayers having to pay near 100% of their benefits. You want fair? How bout starting with with that? Diane
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
Actually Reggie, by your own words you have come in and poked fingers and laughed at those you consider geeks and retards so now, having accomplished your goal you can go back into hiding and I seriously doubt that anyone in these blogs will miss your uninformed crapola.
The_AnonymusProfit 11 months ago
@ MC7
Moon I just wanted to let you know, that after reading your 2 posts, I had to go change my underwear, I laughed so hard that I messed myself(not really) but honestly, since I know you dont ever actually read links, nor do your own research, Im going to post stuff out of the links.
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000017.asp Standardized test results for 16,000 home educated children, grades K-12, were analyzed in 1994 by researcher Dr. Brian Ray. He found the nationwide grand mean in reading for homeschoolers was at the 79th percentile; for language and math, the 73rd percentile. This ranking means home-educated students performed better than approximately 77% of the sample population on whom the test was normed. Nearly 80% of homeschooled children achieved individual scores above the national average and 54.7% of the 16,000 homeschoolers achieved individual scores in the top quarter of the population, more than double the number of conventional school students who score in the top quarter. 1
Research has shown that homeschoolers on average do better than the national average on standardized achievement tests for the elementary and secondary grade levels. Statistics demonstrate that homeschoolers tend to score above the national average on both their SAT and ACT scores. What?
As early as December 1991, U.S. News & World Report recognized that an “estimated 50 percent of homeschooled students attend college, about the same rate as their public-school counterparts.” According to a nationwide study published by Dr. Brian Ray in 1997, homeschool graduates continue to pursue either post-secondary education or employment at similar rates to public school graduates.6
What?
Well that proves MC7 is just hot air, though we already new that. On a personal account, I dated a lovely girl that was home schooled, She was an amazing person and beautiful. Her mind was amazing. She went on to college at NC State and last that I spoke to her she is working on her M.D.
As to moons post about policemen firemen teachers etc. Well moon about half our police force in Southern Pines have degrees in Criminal Justice or Criminal Psychology. The firemen have a lot of volunteers. As for teachers. They should be paid on par with what the private schools pay. If they are doing a good job.
As to your second post. Yea again I think you should let us check you in to the pysch ward at moore regional just for a check up. Were only doing it cause we love you.
Reggie_Mantle 11 months ago
"Actually Reggie, by your own words you have come in and poked fingers and laughed at those you consider geeks and retards so now, having accomplished your goal you can go back into hiding and I seriously doubt that anyone in these blogs will miss your uninformed crapola."
Your little love letter tells me I'm not nearly done, pinhead. There's plenty of targets left!
honesty2 11 months ago
Oh yes, dr- I forgot "you"!
dustyrhoades 11 months ago
Don't forget about me....
Simple Minds - Don't you (forget about me) (live) by ogmuk
honesty2 11 months ago
Ha!
History101 11 months ago
Skylinefirepest asked a very important question that I don’t think anyone answered: Why are liberals even going to vote for Obama? Your comment that “I don't really like Romney but I absolutely hate what Obama has done to this country,” is fairly accurate, but in reverse. Liberals will vote for Obama because he supports gay marriage, Planned Parenthood, birth control coverage and health care. They will vote for him because they disagree with Republican’s promotion of tax breaks for the “job creators.” Or they are simply terrified of the direction this country will take if an increasingly religiously affiliated Republican government gains control. This has nothing to do with the fact that Romney is Mormon, in fact Moon’s comment that he is a “cyborg of the Mormon Church” is like saying that Kennedy was a pawn of the Pope just because he was Catholic.
To be blunt, many liberals will vote for Obama because the Republican and Romney rhetoric subtitles read, “I am Christian and you should be too. My sense of morality is correct and to prove it is, I will create laws that allow corporations to dictate the morality of your health care coverage, I will outlaw homosexuality because I personally believe it is wrong, and I will attack anyone who dares to forget to thank God at Thanksgiving. I am Mitt Romney. I believe in Christmas trees and I approve this message.”
Obama’s ad on the other hand would say, “I believe that at woman has the right to choose if she wants to take birth control because morality should be decided by the individual, not a corporation or health care company. Who am I to decide that gay marriage is wrong? We are a nation founded on the freedom to choose, so why should I have the right to take away freedom just because I don’t agree with you? I am Barak Obama and I believe in trees… because Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Taoists, Agnostics, Animists, and Zoroastrians live here too.”
Economic issues aside, the choice between Romney and Obama isn’t just between the lesser of two evils, liberals will vote for Obama because it is a choice between toleration and the Spanish Inquisition.
moonchild7 11 months ago
Profitman, I did attempt to find out some "legitimate" info and/or statistics about those who are Home Schooled but I could only find info from "HOME SCHOOLING" advocates and little to nothing from other more relevant sources (like the US Dept of Education). MY "opinion" comes from the 10 children of the 3 sets of parents that are friends of mine. They all ahere to VERY socially conservative BIBLE CENTERED beliefs. Two of those parents I've known since the 70's and they did attend some college, the others were only HS graduates. The "Abomination" comment is my personal opinion that what they've done has stunted their kids. Yes, I do have such friends...they admire my true "out of this world" personality even if we differ on Politics and Religion. The firemen and policemen comment is NOT that they shouldn't have a college education it's just that it's NOT REQUIRED. I think EVERYONE should have SOME COLLEGE education. NOT that they need a degree but that that "educational experience" makes them see life in a broader sense. Those high paying auto industry jobs are only HS required yet PAY very good wages. That's how the MIDDLE CLASS got there and that's HOW it should be maintained. My Dad, who was an Executive with a FORTUNE 500 CO. NEVER went to college but he got his job right after WWII. It is impossible for someone to do that now. In fact in the early 70's when he needed to hire someone the "Directive" came down from the MAIN Office that he no longer could hire anyone without a College Education. He told me that that bothered him because he "preferred" those who had worked their way up since they knew more about the Co., and how things worked and were better overall workers. I'll be voting for President Obama because he was able to have Health Care Coverage for all finally passed. It still needs work but he got it done!
rocket71 11 months ago
well said History 101...
rocket71 11 months ago
Moonchild7...not so much.
Basing your arguments on 3 familes you know seems pretty silly.....and ignorant. Those families have every right to raise thier kids with religous beliefs.....just like i choose to raise my kids how i choose. And having "religous beliefs" is not all together a bad thing.... Having good core moral values is a good thing....religous or not...
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
Good letter, History. I don't agree with you but it's a starting point. I saw a car yesterday in Aberdeen that was plastered with signs and one huge one on the driver's door said "stop the war on the middle class and women". Now there's something I could really get into...an older man who believes the crap that the left and the supporting media is feeding out to the masses. Republicans are not opposed to birth control...but if you want to have sex and are too damn lazy to use caution then you should not be allowed to MURDER the results. I find it amazing the the Democrats would charge a woman with murder if she killed a day old baby but smile and say it's her "right" to kill that same baby within minutes of birth!! I don't mind if you want to practice homosexuality but if you want to make it a "civil right" then what's to say that pedophiles and such will not want the same rights?? But to put it very bluntly, I think that Obama has lowered the security of the country and he doesn't have a clue about creating jobs or running business and is trying his best to demonize big business....while the good of the country rides on small business not being regulated and scorned out of existence. I find it infuriating that the left will talk about Republicas not wanting to pay for firemen and policemen and that is simply not true...but as I said, the second the Obammer doesn't get his way on something the first salary he wants to cut is to the military, etc. And the Democrats let him get away with it! Then he conveniently blames it on the right.
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
I see it's time to clean the keyboard...sorry about that....I guess it's all the drooling lunacy that JimT thinks that I spout!!
teufelhunden 11 months ago
skylinefirepest-you calls it as you sees it. Thank you.
The_AnonymusProfit 11 months ago
Moon your aurgument is really bad. If you had read the link i provided you would have acsess to any information you want.
coffecreme 11 months ago
Good post History
History101 11 months ago
I see your points sky and abortion is something that people will forever have to agree to disagree upon and I know that Republican's aren't against birth control, but they do argue that it should not be mandatory for health insurance companies to cover it based on their "moral" view. All I am saying is that it should not be up to a company, it should be up to the individual, even at religious institutions. Isn't religion supposed to be freely chosen by the individual? Therefore, if a woman feels it is necessary to take birth control, then how is it okay for someone else to decide whether it okay based on their personal code of religious morality. As for gay marriage ending up with pedophiles asking for rights, I feel that point is pretty ridiculous, since gay marriage is between two adults who are making a consensual decision to partake in the same right of passage that every other human being on earth is allowed, in some shape or form, and what gives anyone the right to pass judgement and deny them that right. I will concede to your arguments about Obama having no clue how to run the government economically, since I will readily admit that economics is not my forte. However, no matter Obama's flaws, much of the deciding factor of this election may rest on social, as opposed to economic issues, and so far the Republican Party tends to be depicted as religious zealots who get up in arms over Christmas trees and thanking God. People may end up voting for Obama simply because the alternative is depicted as a second Jonathan Edwards, preaching "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."
skylinefirepest 11 months ago
Unfortunately, History, you may be right. I sincerely hope that we will decide the election on who will be better for the economy, jobs, national security, etc. than on who is viewed as being more liberal in their moral views.
Thatcher 11 months ago
History101-- I'm not sure you received the correct information about insurance covering birth control pills (and I'm assuming you are referring to the Sandra Fluke/Georgetown U. issue). First, Georgetown requires that all admitted students have health insurance. http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/premierplanbooklet.pdf. The student is free to have the insurance policy of their choosing, or if they have no health insurance, the University's group plan costs $1895 for the fall semester, and $1209 for the spring. This policy does not provide coverage for birth control or abortion services (since it is a Catholic University). Students opting for the University's plan can pay $9 per month for birth control pills. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sandra-fluke-says-she-didnt-know-target-sells-birth-control-pills-9. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/02/147820584/weekly-standard-target-sells-pills-for-9-a-month. Health insurance companies do not "decide" what services are covered...that decision is made by the university/institution purchasing the group plan. Thus, Ms. Fluke is free to purchase her own insurance (which covers birth control/abortion), or she can go with Georgetown's group plan and pay $9 per month for birth control. This "debate" is really nothing more than folks wanting free "stuff." If they want birth control covered, they can pay for it. No one is "depriving" women from obtaining birth control. Hope that helps.
History101 11 months ago
As you said "that decision is made by the university/institution purchasing the group plan" and "Ms. Fluke" can purchase her own as she pleases. The debate over ObamaCare requiring every institution/company/health care insurance to cover birth control isn't over people wanting "free stuff," it is over people who wish to take birth control, yet are denied coverage because of MORAL reasons. This debate is no longer about monetary value and getting this "free stuff," but has been turned into an issue of "universities/institutions" and health care providers, having the legal right to dictate the moral/ethical values of their constituents, based on how they feel towards the use of birth control. You say that no one is "depriving" women from birth control because if they want it, they should pay for it themselves. Fair enough I suppose, but then why is viagra still covered? If men want to get an erection, they should pay for it. Not to mention that teenage birth rates are on a rise. Have you ever seen 16 and pregnant? It's not a comedy show. Yeah, Ms. Fluke may be able to get Georgetown's group plan and pay $9 a month for birth control, but what about those who cannot afford to pay for it when it's not covered by their college plan. $75 a month for ortho-tri-cylon-lo is no joke. You may make enough money, but a lot of Americans do not. People can argue all they like that "if you can't take the consequences, then you shouldn't be having sex," but this is a new generation and that traditional mindset isn't going to work anymore. People need the access to cheap, even free, birth control. Unless you'd like to tell me that the world's population needs to increase further? Especially since it is the lower classes that cannot gain access to the wonderful health care of Georgetown and are the ones that you so graciously suggest purchase their own monthly dose of birth control, while making $7.25 an hour (NC minimum wage). OR maybe they get lucky and work for a company, go to a university/institution that doesn't decide they are "morally" against birth control and get a discount. Otherwise, tough luck!
The_AnonymusProfit 11 months ago
History101 sorry but you are just plain wrong. There is a reason private institutions are private. There is a reason they have the freedom to be private. You arguing for birth control is you forcing your moral compass on us. Its a two way street. Something you libs seem to have a really hard time understanding. Also get a new name as you along with most libs on this site are in dire desperate need of history 101.
Thatcher 11 months ago
History101-- I am actually shocked by your post. I expected something different. Your viagra comment...paid for by whom? Those who pay the premiums? Yep! Please tell us about this "free" birth control? Who pays for the "free?" Dude. You can buy 2 imported beers or 2 Bahama Mama's for $9. In a month?? At Georgetown (or any other college)?! Lastly, insureds don't get a "discount" by opting not to have birth control as part of the coverage. The insurance company will gladly sell you whatever coverage level you'd like. You can choose to buy any insurance coverage, and pay for it. You. Pay. For. It. (I often say, "You know this, right?" Here, I think he does not know this).
Thatcher 11 months ago
And History101, I'm curious: when in American history have folks demanded that taxpayers pay for "free" birth control? I like your "History" mantle, by the way...since it will help you answer the "free" birth control question. Cheers!