Pinehurst Bans Tobacco Use, Concealed Guns From Recreational Facilities

ChevyBoy 10 months ago

So we banned concealed carry because we don't want our kids to be around people that are capable of passing a background check, is mentally stable, has no violent crimes in their past, isn't currently going through being prosecuted for any, isn't a felon, and hasn't had a DWI in the past 3 years? Good move Pinehurst.

bettertimes 10 months ago

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Yeah, real smart move Pinehurst. Now only the criminals with guns will be there.

eflat7 10 months ago

Attention criminals! Pinehurst park is full of unarmed citizens. But don't take a gun there. It's illeeegal!

Thanks for your cooperation.

Courseaire 10 months ago

No, you can bring a gun, you just can't conceal it. However, they should ban all fatty foods & sugary drinks as they've proven to be more deadly than the others.

annettespal 10 months ago

So everyone that has a CCL, just wear that gun on your hip and proudly display it! I thought we had heard it all, I guess not. How ridiculous.

eflat7 10 months ago

Pinebluff has no ccw signs posted as well.

sandhillsdogs 10 months ago

Good Job Pinehurst .. but you forgot Beer and any kind of Drugs.

djcalaska 10 months ago

Does anyone, in any government role, think before they act anymore??

phstresident 10 months ago

Why would anyone feel the need to carry a weapon in a park anyway? It's not a setting where you should bring a gun so I think this is a good idea. I especially like the tobacco free ordinance...that's awesome for park users! Thank you Pinehurst and ignore the comments above as the typical "I'm against everything anyone does" that is so constant on this site and know you did the right thing. Hopefully the other towns will follow suit.

syotos 10 months ago

I bet in Colorado they saw no need to carry in a simple Batman Movie .. As for me and my house we will carry .. I feel safer with law abiding citizens carrying then I do waiting on the police to come to my aid

clarabelle 10 months ago

whew.......... I will never bring my kids there again since I can't protect them from the countless individuals I see roaming there every day just waiting for a poor unarmed soul to happen by. They at least should trim the bushes low so these low lifes can't hide behind them.

Maybe I will buy a sling shot - and use the extra heavy stainless steel BB's...........just in case.

bettertimes 10 months ago

phstresident - and you are the 'typical' head in the sand, naive person that thinks certain places are safe. Not in this day and time. Restaurants, churches, parks, theaters, shopping centers and malls, etc. - all can be targets of crime. Weapon free zones are just places where the nut cases can stand a better chance at causing more damage and killing and getting away themselves. I'd rather know that the possibility of a person that has passed a background check for criminal history and stable mental condition, and passed a class in written performance and target performance is standing next to me with concealed protection to help defend peoples lives. Please, use your common sense.

emb6683 10 months ago

Why exempt the Harness Track from the tobacco ban? For safety reasons if no other, with all the hay, wood shavings and old buildings there, smoking should be forbidden as a fire hazard as much as a health hazard.

clarabelle 10 months ago

"phstresident - and you are the 'typical' head in the sand, naive person that thinks certain places are safe."

Get a grip already. Most places "are" safe and never experience incidents that involve gun play.

Think about colorado - "a shootout in a dark room filled with tear gas and panicked, innocent people"

perhaps YOU are the one with your head in the sand - or maybe up your..............

cooldaddy 10 months ago

This stinks. I like a good cigar after I hold a criminal at gunpoint while waiting for the police. Now I am the criminal if I conceal? I would be a standout radical if I wore it.. Way to go people. The police, as wonderful as they are, can only be in so many places. They usually show up to do the report. Your stupid laws could very well change the name of the injured or killed on the report to an honest citizan.

techiejames 10 months ago

Pinehurst will be the next Colorado, Virginia Tech, or other ass shooting scene you can think of. All of these mass shootings have one thing in common: they took place in gun free zones. Wise up Pinehurst.

cooldaddy 10 months ago

I bet Annie Oakley is in Heaven shouting "Come on God! Let me go down there just long enough to remove my name and slap a few people! "

bettertimes 10 months ago

clarabelle- most places are usually safe. That's the whole point. That theater in Colorado was usually safe to but look what happened. If someone there would have been LEGALLY armed, maybe so many people would not have been killed and injured. Why don't you and the rest of the naives go take a concealed class to educate yourselves. Just pick up the paper-everyday innoncent bystanders are killed because of criminals. Why are people so afraid of those that legally carry to defend themselves? And everyone does have the right to defend themselves. There is no reason to be afraid of those people. Be afraid of the crimanals that have intent to harm! No more comments here, pointless to talk people that have blinders.

jonathan_poverud 10 months ago

The Pinehurst Village council are all Republicans! A Republican bill passed by the legislatrue in 2011 allows the village to ban them.

Wonder if the Chairman of the Republican Party will use his column on Sunday to explain this one!

sandhillsdogs 10 months ago

emb6683 1 hour, 21 minutes ago Tobacco ban .. means not only no smoking ..but also no chewing .. no sniff!

No concealed Guns means .. I still can carry in open sight!

The Language is quiet clear and simple .. I like open carry anyway better!

Zoey 10 months ago

"The lone exception" - Elitism and Entitlement at its finest....

phstresident 10 months ago

All this uproar over something that has actually already been in the pinehurst ordinance. I looked up their municipal code online and lo and behold, concealed handguns have already been prohibited since 1986. So this deal today was I guess reinforcing that in light of the state law passed last year.

Here is the link to the code online for your review: http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/North%20Carolina/pinehurst_nc/villageofpinehurstnorthcarolinamunicipal?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:pinehurst_nc

and in regards to the smoking question, it's already against the code to smoke in village buildings so that would include the barns mentioned at the track property. seems like that's covered there from a fire standpoint in the wood barns with hay, etc.

citizen_rob 10 months ago

Wow. Remember this at election time folks. What a bunch of RINOs. All should be kicked out. Hope the NRA gets involved in the local election next year. Nanny-state Republicans on the Pinehurst Council. Time for the people to take back the council.

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

Bettertimes...please don't encourage clarabelle to go anywhere near any kind of weapon. She is apparently off balance enough already. She only knows one answer to any comment and that's to call names. No telling what she would do if she got her hands on a knife, gun, golf club, baseball bat, etc.!!!

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

P.S. bettertimes....she may actually be like the woman who told me several years ago that she didn't need a weapon of any kind to go anywhere in the country, no matter how bad, because she had "the look of confidence and nobody would dare to mess with her". Durned if I know what that meant but she said it in response to a gun control discussion.

Mozambique 10 months ago

C'mon guys, it's not like there's a bunch of vulnerable, rich elderly people and wealthy travelers all over Pinehurst, ripe for being devoured like a three-legged gazelle on the Serengeti. Oh...wait...

After all, these gun control measures are working really well in Chicago :-/.

AM910 10 months ago

So the five year old's go back to playing dominoes and slingshots?

KevinStewart 10 months ago

To the Pinehurst Village council: I am offering to the council and manager Wilkinson to pay for concealed carry courses at my expense. Even if you don't want to carry a gun, you should be familiar with the laws of North Carolina.

Iam 10 months ago

How does anyone know that someone is carrying a concealed weapon? Concealed means the darn thing is hidden from view.

Courseaire 10 months ago

Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just excited to see me? Which could be a bad thing at a kids playground.

KevinStewart 10 months ago

@lam; Crimminals should not know who has a gun, that makes them think twice before they commit a crime if they know someone could defend themselves. A concealed permit carrier must inform any law enforcement officer encountered that they have a concealed weapon. Please take the concealed course and you will understand.

Toda 10 months ago

Bill of Rights

Amendment II of the Constitution of the United States, " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"I know of no safe depositor of the ultimate powers of [a] society than the people themselves; and if we think them not enlighten enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." - Thomas Jefferson

Any citizen not convicted of a felony has a constitutional privilege to carry a loaded weapon as long as it is not concealed from public view. Law Enforcement emphases "conceal carry permits for law abiding citizens. Those responsible for the tragedies at Virginia Tech, Columbine, and now Aurora had legal precedent through existing laws and constitutional privilege to purchase assault weapons and enough ammunition for mass killings.

I would go out on a limb here and say that someone with intent to develop a crime scene, could care less about a "concealed carry permit". Those with criminal intent, will find a gun to take lives.

Toda 10 months ago

More on this topic continues at our local Wal-Mart Store, where on can find in the sporting goods department a .223 assault rife for just under $1,200.00. Ammunition can be purchased there as well. Hunting ~ [anyone]?

2centsworth 10 months ago

I bet all you people that are upset over not being allowed to carry your firearm around all those big bad toddlers playing on the playground also carry your guns to church with you. Cause you never know when the minister is going to whip out his machine gun and open fire on the congregation when someone falls asleep or disagrees with his sermon.Come on people get real. This is not Central Park New York at midnight. If you are that fearful for your life you need to just lock yourself in your home and stay there. I do have one question for those that feel the need to be armed during recreational activities: How do you keep your gun from getting wet when you go swimming? As some said in earlier comments violence can happen anywhere.

Courseaire 10 months ago

2centsworth - They make gun condoms for when you are swimming to keep it dry and for safe firing, they even have ones that are lubricated to keep the gun well oiled.

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

Tommy...what "assault rifle" is available from Wal Mart?? I think I'll run down right now and get one because the last time I checked only the military, law enforcement, or class 3 license holders could purchase one!! Now, if by "assault rifle" you mean a semi-auto rifle that favors, by look, the real thing then I'll pass as I already have a couple. They are excellent rifles and can be used for many different purposes...target shooting, hunting, self-defense, plinking, etc.

molonlabe 10 months ago

The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting. Walmart does not sell assault rifles. Assault rifles by definition are automatic rifles and Walmart does not sell automatic rifles.

Toda 10 months ago

SKFP ~ Perhaps a trip to Wal-Mart might qualify my thread. The weapon looks like an assault rife and is a .223. Semiautomatic weapons can easily be converted to fully automatic.

molonlabe 3 hours, 37 minutes ago => So what's your point? I know the second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting; that comment was tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps other bloggers should read the Constitution for a better understanding of what is legal and what isn't legal.

My point being why would Wal-Mart sell a weapon for combat shooting for hunting? Or is it just for gun owners to go out and shoot; or for those suffering from a psychological deficit to create a crime scene?

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

Tommy...some of the really older AR platforms could be converted by an expert machinist but not today's modern firearms. Simply not true! Ask Eddie or any other competent gunsmith. Ask your local policeman. They are NOT easily converted. There are many uses for the AR platform and millions of them are in civilian hands. They are NOT combat weapons. And they are easily used for hunting with the readily available five round magazines. In fact, they are a good weapon for hunting as they are accurate, dependable, not prone to problems with snow, dirt, etc., and using a mid range bullet such as the .223 they are excellent for those who hunt the wooded areas of the country. For wide open areas a firearm with more range is needed. Don't fall into the "assault rifle" trap simply because they LOOK dangerous to the unknowing.

Toda 10 months ago

skylinefirepest => Thanks buddy for the info. No ~ I'm not a gun enthusiast like most. I find it strange that the killer in Aurora knew that weapon could fire in rapid succession and lay down a pattern that could injure and kill so many innocent victims. My nomenclature is off a bit as you have pointed out, but the end result for a killer is still the same. Thanks SLFP for sharing ... I can count on you to keep me straight ...Tommy

Easygoing 10 months ago

I'm sure the mothers and their small children in the Pinehurst Camelot Park playground would feel much safer to see adults or an 18 year old wandering in with pistols strapped to their belts and men in the ball field next door carrying AK47 knockoffs on their shoulders.

molonlabe 10 months ago

I have been competing in 3 position High Power Rifle matches for many years with my AR-15 Service rifle. Been to Camp Perry a few times to shoot in the national matches. Toda you really should not talk about something that you have no clue about.

molonlabe 10 months ago

And AR15s can not be easily converted to full auto.

tree 10 months ago

This is just another goverment overreach. From the fed all the way down to little old Pinehurst. The harness track exception is obvious....the horse community has the cash and they want to smoke, so...they get to smoke cause pinehurst wants their cash!! tell me there is another legitimate reason to allow the cancer causing agent to be used in public. I love the smell of tobacco when i'm watching an event with my 5 and 2 year old!!

As far as the CCP... you morons running Pinehurst need to be thrown out. The police carry guns to protect themselves not you...making laws to take away more rights of law abiding citizens makes absolutely no sense... total gun bans work fantastic...just ask the british or better yet those who have been massacred that could not protect themselves. Hitler enacted a total gun ban, didn't he?? worked well for him. Unfortunately, there is no stats to support the times that CCP folks draw down to stop a crime and never shoot. How is the ban working in Chicago and NYC?? No, pinehurst is not the big city, but havent we had enough crazy violence in our community in the last 2 years? I will continue to carry to protect MY FAMILY and possible YOURS!!

2centsworth 10 months ago

To tree: Guns were not allowed in the parks in pinehurst for years but you are just now complaining when this ordinance is reaffirmed because of a new state law that was passed allowing concealed weapons in parks and restaurants. Did you also know there is an ordinance against discharging a firearm within the city limit? What are you going to do after you pull your weapon? No one said anything about a total gun ban. You are free to carry your gun every other place it is allowed. And really.......comparing Pinehurst to Nazi Germany! If this country is so bad I hear Mexico and Colombia has plenty of gun-carrying drug lords. Maybe you can join them.

Toda 10 months ago

molonlabe 16 hours, 34 minutes ago

"Toda you really should not talk about something that you have no clue about."

For your information I am an expert having been a member of the Pinehurst Police Department Pistol Team with Ronnie Davis, Ricky Rhyne, and Glenn Wilson. We won regional competition shooting three years in a row. So I have a clue. A semi-automatic .223 is the same weapon (Smith and Wesson) used in the Aurora theater shootings. News outlets have referred to the weapon as an assault rifle. Here's your link

And by the way, my first thread was about the Constitution of the United States. Something I know about and read oftain. A semi-automatic can be used as an assault rifle! Not as a fully functional automatic switch. The gun used in the Aurora killings was a 100 round can.

Perhaps you might search web sites for information before making a statement AR 15 accessories "Toda you really should not talk about something that you have no clue about." You are the one that is clueless.

Toda 10 months ago

From the New York Times (FYI) "Included in the purchases was an assault rifle bought immediately after Holmes failed an important oral exam, according to the New York Daily News.

Here's your link ~ Argue with the Times

Toda 10 months ago

Belt fed AR 15 after conversion to fully automatic.

belt fed ar15 m16 full auto machinegun saw m249 conversion by dieman1970

Toda 10 months ago

If you go to Wally World and fork out the $1,200. SLFP => here's how to convert your AR (Assault Rifle) to fully automatic...Here's your link

Thanks for the information about the AR 15 Assault Rifle. Never to old to learn....Tommy

Medic1210 10 months ago

Great job guys. Your ban is sure to save many innocent lives. Sure, you've never had any problems with guns before, but you have to think ahead and prevent something from happening in the future. Just like Cinemark Theaters in Aurora. They had never had any problem with guns, despite state law that allows lawful carry into theaters, but they thought ahead and banned all guns to prevent innocent loss of life. Surely there's no valid reason to be able to protect yourself in a theater, right? Surely there aren't any women who need to be able to protect themselves while walking or jogging on one of the more secluded areas of your greenway trails, right? No muggers would ever think of hiding in wait in an area like that. Keep up the good work playing nanny to all the law abiding citizens. We all know criminals follow the law so well. BTW, can anybody show me one single instance where a "no guns" sign prevented a mass shooting or robbery, or rape? And, since we're talking about law abiding citizens who are feared to be unable to control their temper at the ball park, what's to stop them from retrieving their locked up firearm to end an argument?

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

Tommy, you and I both know that the news media cannot be trusted as authorities on much of anything...of course the NYT would call a semi-auto anything an "assault rifle"...because they don't know the difference doesn't excuse an ex popo from making the same mistake???? And we both know that there are gobs of accessories for the AR platform JUST AS THERE IS FOR THE RUGER 10-22, right?? And youtube notwithstanding, I still stand by my comment that the current AR platform cannot be easily converted to full auto!! Does that mean it can't be done by an individual with the right tools and knowledge?? And you know, as I do, that converting one to full auto is a FEDERAL OFFENSE, so here again not many people in their right minds are going to take that risk, right???? So c'mon here, Tommy, you are reaching!!

molonlabe 10 months ago

Toda are you even allowed to own a gun anymore with your recent mental health issues? Also you said that there is no sporting purpose for an AR15 and I have proved you wrong.

Toda 10 months ago

O' SLFP ~ I appreciate your being candid on this gruesome topic of weapons being used for mass homicides. But allow me a moment to respond in kind to your comments:

Tommy, you and I both know that the news media cannot be trusted as authorities on much of anything...of course the NYT would call a semi-auto anything an "assault rifle"...because they don't know the difference doesn't excuse an ex popo from making the same mistake????

AR refers to Automatic Rifle ~ Si? If you Google or use any search engine to look up the Aurora Tragedy, all news outlets including Fox News, CNN, Routers, Huffington Post, LA Times, Etc., Ect. refer to the AR 15 used as an Assault Rifle. Your argument is with the media and not me.

And we both know that there are gobs of accessories for the AR platform JUST AS THERE IS FOR THE RUGER 10-22, right?? As well as others like Smith and Wesson , Colt, Browning, etc.

And youtube notwithstanding, I still stand by my comment that the current AR platform cannot be easily converted to full auto!! Does that mean it can't be done by an individual with the right tools and knowledge?? I provided a link for conversion...and perhaps the YouTube Videos are just gun smoke and mirrors. I wasn't there when they demonstrated their conversions.

And you know, as I do, that converting one to full auto is a FEDERAL OFFENSE, so here again not many people in their right minds are going to take that risk, right???? How many go into movie theaters and kill as many as they can in one shooting...that's a violation of state and federal laws ~ right?

So c'mon here, Tommy, you are reaching!! Not really, just expounding on Amendment II of the US Constitution...that's were all of this conversation began....

Toda 10 months ago

I really didn't know we had Doctors of Psychiatry on these blogs practicing medicine through ESP? I have no issues, and I have guns ... lots of guns. Pay me a late night visit and I'll gladly introduce you to my Beretta...

You haven't proved anything much less a logical or rational reason to own an AR 15. Can you even afford the ammunition? Yea, your story mirrors mine as a Shuttle Launch Commander!

When bloggers have no rational or logical response to a blog or thread, they revert to being Cyber Twerps while hiding their identities, faceless avatars, and a silly screen name! That puts you into the 99%er's who anonymously hide their cowardice so that no one can put a picture or name with a twerp!

See this is what an AR 15 looks like ~ now you are a bit smarter ...Doctor! by Tommy Davis

molonlabe 10 months ago

Not a doctor but just going on what I have read in the Pilot and the terrified phone call recording of your wife.

And I know more about the AR15 then you will ever know.

Peace to you sir and I wish you well.

JD 10 months ago

Not a doctor but just going on what I have read in the Pilot and the terrified phone call recording of your wife.

What a jackass you are.

*Peace to you sir and I wish you well

This does not make up for bringing someone's family into an off topic comment.

Toda 10 months ago

I thought you were adding an on-line diagnosis since you gleaned so much from a telephone call. You don't know squat. I'm fine and my wife is fine ~ so what's your problem being something other than a Cyber Twerp?

Do I give a fly S*&t about what you know about an AR 15 ~ The answer is no! I am well thank you!

skylinefirepest 10 months ago

Tommy, you got me on the picture you posted of the AR15...doesn't look like an AR to me in any way shape or form. Also doesn't appear to be a .223 firearm. I'm also not aware of a drum mag, other than the c-mag which doesn't even remotely look like the one pictured, being available for the AR platform. And Tommy, if you want to talk ballistics in a shooting gallery such as that theater, I suggest we have a conversation about most any twelve gauge with an extended tube loaded with about, say number four buck???? And you know, as I do, that the AR platforms are no more faster shooting than a Ruger or a Remington hunting rifle. And for those who think that high cap mags should be illegal, let me remind you that I can change a mag in approximately three seconds...without practice and making sure that the used mag doesn't hit the floor as I don't want to damage it!!! We are being hit by smoke and mirrors by the anti-gun crowd aided and pushed by the Democrat Party. Even Obama has now said he would be open to some more regulation...and as we all know, he is no fan of firearms to start with. As I said last night, the anti's will win, the gun owners will lose, and the public will not be a damn bit safer!!

Toda 10 months ago

Thanks JD ~ stupidity and ignorance seems to always perpetuate a conversation among those without superior intellectual cognitive abilities through university studies. Dumb is a gradual process as some age when their only educational start in life is a being a dropout.

Toda 10 months ago

SLFP => the image came from one of the news feeds (one of a hundred or so) showing the drum attachment with 100 rounds that the shooter used. Check out this link and photo of a duel feed drum loader: Here's your link

As you stated, there are hundreds of "accessories" for the AR 15. One could shop on-line like the shooter, and come up with several images of the same weapon.

the link I provided will give a lot more information regarding the political side of none hunting firearms. Good exchange on the issue of sporting rifles used in mass murders....Tommy

molonlabe 10 months ago

You are such a dumbass that is not a AR15 in the picture.

Toda 10 months ago

SLFP => Proposals from the web link on issuing permits. How will those regs affect the constitutionality of the Second Amendment?

NRA members also support many common state eligibility rules for concealed carrying of a gun:

• 75% believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.

• 74% believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.

• 68% believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

• 63% believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

Well genius, call the New York Times ~ that's where that image came from Cyber Twerp! Did you graduate grade school by chance? Just wondering ....

S	M	T	W	T	F	S
28	29	30	1	2	3	4
5	6	7	8	9	10	11
12	13	14	15	16	17	18
19	20	21	22	23	24	25
26	27	28	29	30	31	1

Pinehurst Bans Tobacco Use, Concealed Guns From Recreational Facilities

More like this story

Comments

May events