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It is odd to me that some people, no matter how many times they are told, just cannot get it through their heads that conservatives, including Republicans, are pro legal immigration.
I have never heard a single one of my conservative friends say anything else. They feel many people who come here illegally are often unskilled, needy and a burden to our social safety nets. Can you say Arizona?
They feel that illegals often do not always share American values and are here to take advantage of our easy-to-circumvent laws. They do know that the legal immigration system that they support is set up to help America as well as the immigrants coming here legally. The only reason to say anything else is for political gain and to divide this country. I say shame on those people.
It might help if we did not use the phrase “illegal immigrants,” as that’s an oxymoron when it is “breaking and entering immigration.”
In fairness to my liberal friends, I should point out many, if not most, of them also want legal immigration.
An old Chinese proverb says, “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.”
Dick Korn
Pinehurst
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The_AnonymusProfit 10 months, 1 week ago
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN
MikeNC 10 months, 1 week ago
Every four years, illegal immigration is a campaign trail issue, followed by the next three years, of the campaign trail issue, to no where. We do need to provide an amnesty route for illegals already here, because Washington has allowed this influx of anywhere between 8 to as high as 20 million illegals. Heck they can't even get a straight number, because the people are ILLEGAL. But we also need to secure our borders, once this amnesty provision is implemented. And call it the "end of the trail." Diane
DaveyNC 10 months, 1 week ago
Well said. Legal immigration is a necessity for a healthy country. Illegal immigration, not so much.
bufordsplay 10 months, 1 week ago
Andrew Sobiero recently remarked that iIlegal Aliens have a "Moral" right to be here. Sorry Mr. Sobiero but it is WE , the legal citizens of this country who have a "Moral" right to decide who comes here and who does not and any other system is anarchy. Thank God those who share Mr. Sobiero's views are not in charge.......Oh wait, they are....yikes!
fugitiveguy 10 months, 1 week ago
"It is odd to me that some people, no matter how many times they are told, just cannot get it through their heads that conservatives, including Republicans, are pro legal immigration."
Liberals know this, they also know that supporting voter ID has nothing to do with keeping black people from voting, they also know that conservatives don't want dirty air or water, they also know that we don't want actual poor people, old people and little children to do without food or medical care. Its their oldest and most effective trick in the book to keep certain voting blocks to pull the lever for them. Their arguments against so many conservative principles ae so nonsensical and unconvincing all thats left is to demonize the opposition. They like to label us as wingnuts, radicals and extreme. Any regular reader of these threads or the most popular liberal blogs would dispel that notion out of hand. How does one have a dialogue with those who so often stoop to such heinous tactics?
fugitiveguy 10 months, 1 week ago
"Andrew Sobiero recently remarked that iIlegal Aliens have a "Moral" right to be here."
I too was once young and I suppose I thought I had it all figured out too. Once he has had to support himself and endure the pressures of a life without the parental safety net my guess is he may see things slightly differently. Also spending a few months or so living and working in one of the besieged border towns might be an eye opener for him.
JimRussell44 10 months, 1 week ago
In light of the fact that we "Americans" came to this country and took it from those who were already here, I find the comments made by bufordsplay to be ironic.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
But then who am I to get to cut my lawn at a cut rate price?
fugitiveguy 10 months, 1 week ago
"In light of the fact that we "Americans" came to this country and took it from those who were already here, I find the comments made by bufordsplay to be ironic."
Thats one way to look at it. I look at it this way, I came here in 1963. I have taken nothing from those who were already here. I suppose this is true for anyone who is alive today. It seems silly that this point keeps coming up with regard to the situation of illegal immigration. Similarly, I have no guilt regarding slavery. All those who enslaved are long dead, all those who were enslaved are long dead. Its a sad chapter in our national history except for the fact that we long ago as a society put a stop to it.
MarkinMiami 10 months, 1 week ago
I'm Republican and fully support legal immigration. Legal immigrants are as pro America as all of us. My ex came over from Jamaica LEGALLY and busted her ass to get through nursing school all while having a child and dealing with a marriage. She has always stated that if you can't make it in America then you're either lazy are just aren't trying hard enough.
Bflat 10 months, 1 week ago
There are those in my family that were already here before anyone "came over" and there are some that came over from England. At that time there were not laws to prevent illegal immigration into this country. Go ahead and look it up. I'll wait. While you're at it, look up "Land Grants." Some in my family still own land that goes all the way back to that time, handed down through generations.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
I'm assuming not many of you that are commenting are in the construction industry,or if you are you own a company that hires "Immigrants from our southern neighbors" or you are retired and have no reason to be mindful of how many come here,legal or not,we used to have laws that limited number of any immigrants,and I have friend that did wait for years and through much exspense to gain citizanship,while you advocate for them and request we research info you might try doing some yourself,they also have brought gang activity throughout the areas they take up in,many are in the drug trade and illegal document business,many avoid our taxes through many of those false documents,and going back if one feels need to do so will show that when we have laws that are put in place to protect our borders those laws should be enforced until they are changed,so far that has not taken place,only Obama has the arrogance to re write our laws to pander for votes,if you all care to hand over this country so be it,myself I will protest their entry and amnesty in any manner in which I can,our country is overran with these illegals who are being allowed to stay yet my tax dollars are being taken to fund a immigration control agency that has it's hands tied by politicians and advocates,I feel no sympathy for any illegals who stand in our streets making demand and professing of their illegal entry here and telling us they will not leave,this article has the stench of another advocate offering up that which is not theirs to give.
MikeNC 10 months, 1 week ago
Well Jim, while you have your world history book cracked open, check out what "the rest of the world" did in regards to colonization, divide and conquer, colonial expansion and then let us know which country in the world, has done more to recognize error and correct error, more so than our Country. PS the Indians weren't always the victim, just as illegals from Mexico, aren't always the victim. Diane
pinewoodnc 10 months, 1 week ago
The bottom line is "What is so difficult to understand about the word 'illegal'?" What is the hardest to deal with is when the illegal immigrants feel they can openly go and protest while standing in plain view as illegals. They have committed a crime..period. For decades, many have come to this country and went through the process required to become citizens of this country. For the illegals to have the nerve to protest and expect to be given a free pass to citizenship is a slap in the face to all those that responsibly and legally became citizens. I feel sorry for the young children of these illegals, but unfortunately sometimes they suffer the sins of their parents.
bufordsplay 10 months, 1 week ago
I agree MikeNC. We are a nation of laws. If the laws are out of date then change them. If the President or the Supreme court are going to ignore the Constitution in order to destroy our way of life then there are some of us that will ignore the Constitution in order to preserve our way of life. Its like having a little bit of corruption, it never stays "little". The left is pushing our nation to a place that THEY don't want to go. If they are going to decide which rules they are going to adhere to and which ones they are not, then there are no rules.......get it?
dustyrhoades 10 months, 1 week ago
" conservatives, including Republicans, are pro legal immigration."
This is fine, and far as it goes. The problem comes when you start enacting laws and spouting attitudes that treat even legal immigrants as if they were automatically suspect. That's what gets you called racist, because it IS racist. Case in point: a couple of months ago, I pointed out a poll that showed President Obama holding a significant lead among Latinos. The immediate response from a conservative poster here: "how many of those polled were illegals or felons?" When that's your first thought upon reading or hearing the word 'Latino," so sorry, I'm going to call you what you are.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
@dustyrhoades,It is comments such as yours that bring race into this subject,up till now have seen no others that have made such a point of it,and your sermon on the mount about how to distinquish what is or is not racist makes about much sense as the rest of your ramblings,this is about illegals,period,I have worked around so many of them that had documents that even found it to be quite humorous as to who they belonged to,fake,or those of someone they gor hold of their SS#,as far as your polls,well again are you someone that speaks with so much authority on these matters or is it just more of your wanting to impress those who actually believe you have any idea of what you speak of,Obama is an advocate for illegals as he has shown from past actions,and I am sorry but you don't posess the iltellectual capacity to call anyone out on anything,your post are selfserving mindless dribble,in other word you do not have a clue as to what you comment on.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
"Intellectual" My apology before I get slammed for the misspelling a word.and the "r" on got,that should clear that up for all the professors out there.
bustedfriend 10 months, 1 week ago
Maybe...just maybe... if we try to put our differences aside and try to discuss about this subject without jumping on somebody's neck everytime something is said that we do not agree something could change. But if we keep this way we might be here in 10-20 years or so with the same problem...
dustyrhoades 10 months, 1 week ago
Yeah, cantstandya, I'm really concerned by my intellectual capacity being challenged by a semi-illiterate admitted racist who can neither spell nor punctuate.
Le'ts remember this blast from your past--your words:
I don't like Blacks,I don't like Mexicans,and I don't like the Hispanics that are sneaking in here from South America ,but worse is the White people that advocate for them,
So don't get high and mighty with me about "bringing race into this", you slack-jawed sheet-wearing half-wit. You are the very last person here with any credibility on that subject.
JimRussell44 10 months, 1 week ago
I don't have a "world history book" cracked open, MikeNC. I was commenting on what our forefathers did to the native population when they arrived on these shores. Saying we are bad but not as bad as... doesn't make us good or noble. Some of us still treat these people as second class citizens today, so no, I don't think we should be patting ourselves on the back about how great we are.
It should also be noted that fugitiveguy was not responsible for what happened to the native Americans or to the Africans brought to our shores by our forefathers as slaves. Sorry you thought I was trying to pin it on you.
MikeNC 10 months, 1 week ago
Russell: I was commenting that all countries, with power, did what all countries with power did in those days, expand and control. Not condoning it, just saying it was accepted practice as was the slave institution. BTW some Indian tribes, practiced the same philosphy as European nations did. Invade, Control, and Enslave. Many tribes in Africa, did the same thing.
They'll always be an ignorant person who will insult, a black person, a white person, a red person, a foreign speaking person, a rich person, a poor person, a Jew, a Catholic, a Baptist..And yeh, I do marvel at what America has achieved to corrected it's errors, when compared to many other countries in the world. The only thing we've done wrong in the past 47 years, is overcorrect our mistakes. Hand up has given way to hand out. Diane
JimRussell44 10 months, 1 week ago
McLellan: "The only thing we've done wrong in the past 47 years, is overcorrect our mistakes." That statement defines the difference in thought process between you and me. (Dying to hear what the specific "wrong" you refer to that happened in 1965)
JimRussell44 10 months, 1 week ago
McLellan: I already know what your answer is, I just want to see you put it in print. (It's not the ban of tobacco ads on TV)
MikeNC 10 months, 1 week ago
Jim: The War on Poverty. Before I get booed, yes it did reduce poverty in a four year span, but it also created a label and caste system, that has now been proven to essentially be a disaster. When we were overseas, a German didn't ask me if I was a Native American, Dutch, Slovenian American. They asked me if I was American. They didn't ask my friend Jaye, are you Native American, no they asked her if she was American. And They didn't ask my friend,Marilyn if she was an African American, They asked her if she was American. Diane
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
I personally don't care what you call us - I’m 1/4th Cherokee on my mother’s side, well maybe only 1/8th, but if you dilute that with my father’s gene’s I guess I’m only 1/16th. Actually, I just rode in a Cherokee once.
JD 10 months, 1 week ago
So don't get high and mighty with me about "bringing race into this", you slack-jawed sheet-wearing half-wit. You are the very last person here with any credibility on that subject.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
Two village idiots on the same day getting together , condescending remarks,criticism on my inability to spell,punctuate,and calling me a racist,you two have made my day,now how about addressing your opinions on the subject matter at hand,in order to do that you will have to get out and about,as far as wearing a sheet,not anymore,but some of my friends in Coats still have theirs,you have no idea how many are still around,spelling and punctuation is not a prerequisite just a determination to hold on to what is ours.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
Yes, you young whipper snapper - If I had my teeth with me, I'd bite you. They're at the dentist for their semi-annual cleaning.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
Had to have a baby sitter when my mother went to vote for Truman when he ran for his second term,but I may well be a whipper snapper to you,that again is your problem live with it.
fwanko 10 months, 1 week ago
Like MarkinMiami, I also have a wife that came here LEGALLY, and she's been busting her butt, owning her own business and trying to make a good life here. In fact, after over 18 years here she finally made time to get her citizenship. She is definitely anti-Illegal alien and she has a right to be that way. The one thing that really irks us both is the idea that illegal aliens are here doing the work that Americans won't do. Not true at all, they are doing the work we won't do for the cheap wages that they will.
Arestorer 10 months, 1 week ago
IMO,Most hispanics here (taking your jobs) are not here illegally,but here on work visa's...They have every right to"take" the jobs they have...Their mostly only doing the jobs Americans are to lazy to do, or cant get them Unionized, so they get over-payed for meanial labor.
Thatcher 10 months, 1 week ago
Amazing posts on this thread. Wow.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
If the trend is towards hiring the Hispanics,with them being legal or not,the impact it has had just in this area, can be reflected by the many American sub contractors complaining of the fact they have lost out on work,this due to the low estimates they have to compete with coming from these immigrants,if my comment is doubted just take the time to inquire with one of the many Masons,Carpenter,Roofers,insulator,landscapers,Iron workers,and many others,it is true many of the above are guilty of hiring some themselves just to be competative,they do not do any background checks,these are dashboard contractors who sub contract from the local builders,unless you have a dog in that fight you have no real idea of what impact they do have,some on here well may be guilty of being one of those contractor,train them and soon they will be leaving you and going into business themselves,cutting your prices next,and if I have misspelled or use incorrect punctuation please just let it go,my gift of both has not been a problem for me in all my years and should by no means bother you.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
Like I said, I could pay $10 to get my lawn cut, weeds pulled and go play a round of golf or I could pass that up & do it myself. The $10 is worth it.
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
Truly a man of means,a duffer with a yard boy,the American dream,but if you are getting all that work done for $10 then you must live in a trailer park,and must be fairly lazy,even at my age I cut two acreas and still manage to get a round in.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
It's just that I'd rather cut grass with an iron than a mower and at least it's a double-wide. What's an acrea?
dustyrhoades 10 months, 1 week ago
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/argument_victory.png
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
It's a misspelled word dumb ass,and you are certainly correct in assuming that I am all the things you and your counterparts have accused me of being,glad we got that cleared up.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
cantstandya - I don't believe I've accused you of anything, said anything bad about you or called you anything. I'll always let you speak for yourself.
dustyrhoades 10 months, 1 week ago
Heh. Can't spell, can't use punctuation, and admits to being a racist. And he calls Courseaire dumb ass. Can't wait for all the pearl clutchers to object to KKKantstandya's language.
Courseaire 10 months, 1 week ago
2.4 acres may equal a hectare, but 2.4 acreas equal a Hector and he's the one that really cuts cantstandya's grass.
justpassingby2 10 months, 1 week ago
Good job Dusty. Once again you started the personal attacks because you aren't bright enough to defend your stance on an issue. Sad!
cantstandya 10 months, 1 week ago
No matter how bad my spelling,punctuation and my attitude, I still have the intelligence to recognize advocates that are two weak kneed to stand up to the illegals being here,thats the issue,not my inability to be so eloquent as some of those that keep bringing up those mistakes I make on the keyboard,grow a set and stand up and be counted boys,these illegals are your problem too,that is unless like some one married you to gain entry into this country,your Hispanic friends have destroyed the construction industry with their overwhelming numbers,cheap prices and tax evasion tactics,anyone amoung you that are in the construction industry knows of what I am talking about,other just looking for that cheap lawn service.
dustyrhoades 10 months, 1 week ago
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