Fracking Veto Fails to Stand; House Overrides on 'Mistake'
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The deciding vote in the fracking debate turned out to be accidental.
State Rep. Becky Carney, a Mecklenburg County Democrat who opposes fracking, pushed the wrong button late Monday night and voted with Republicans to override Gov. Beverly Perdue’s veto of Senate Bill 820.
Carney tried to change her vote, but a parliamentary maneuver by House Majority Leader Skip Stam, a Wake County Republican, prevented her from doing so.
“She said she made an honest mistake,” said state Rep. Jamie Boles, a Republican who represents most of Moore County. “We have to take her for her word.”
Boles, who voted for the override, said the 72-46 outcome capped “quite an emotional day.”
“The biggest thing is to know you’re part of North Carolina history because it was first time the General Assembly ever overrode three vetoes in one day,” Boles said. “I was born and raised in North Carolina, so the significance is not lost on me.”
Earlier Monday, both the state Senate and the House voted to override Perdue’s vetoes of the Racial Justice Act and the 2012-2013 state budget.
Molly Diggins, state director of the N.C. Sierra Club, said she was disappointed that the House leadership took advantage of a procedural error to override the governor’s veto of fracking, a controversial form of extracting natural gas.
“Our drinking water has now been put at risk, even though the required three-fifths of the members did not want to override,” Diggins said. “How ironic that in an industry plagued with accidents, hydraulic fracturing — or fracking — became legal in North Carolina based on an accidental vote.”
Perdue vetoed the bill on Sunday, citing the General Assembly’s unwillingness to ensure that adequate protections for drinking water, landowners, county and municipal governments, and the health and safety of families are in place before fracking begins.
“I hope the General Assembly will revisit this issue and strengthen the safeguards before fracking begins,” Perdue said Monday.
Fracking is germane to northern Moore County, which lies atop the Deep River Basin, where state geologists initially believed a 40-year supply of natural gas exists. But a recently released U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) assessment showed that the Deep River Basin has an amount of natural gas equivalent to 5.6 years of usage based on 2010 consumption rates in North Carolina.
The bill creates an Energy and Mining Commission that will conduct studies and create regulations to govern fracking. The commission is tasked with completing its work by October 2014.
The General Assembly would then have to take a separate vote to approve the commission’s work before drilling could be permitted.
Boles called the override “a great step.”
“It allows the state of North Carolina to implement rules and regulations for fracking, but it in no way allows drilling in the state,” he said. “We’re going to make sure we do this right.”
Boles and other fracking supporters tout the new jobs and tax revenue that fracking will bring to North Carolina. They claim the risks are manageable with the right laws and regulations.
There is a contentious worldwide debate over whether fracking is safe, and there is little scientific evidence to fill an information gap that has made it difficult for lawmakers and the public to understand the risks.
Contact Ted M. Natt at (910) 693-2474 or by email at tnatt@ thepilot.com.
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Bflat 10 months, 3 weeks ago
It was bound to happen.....
hippiern 10 months, 3 weeks ago
what an idiot hope she enjoys the kickback she earned.
bubbasmith 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Can each county ban fracking?
Poundman 10 months, 3 weeks ago
I would approve if it was a big supply but only five years? That's just enough time to jack up our county then get out of dodge.
Spocks_Brain 10 months, 3 weeks ago
She was against it before she was for it....just another dumb as s democrat
alladat1 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Fracking will be good for local business - especially Jamie Boles.
OneNativfe 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Just goes to show how dumb politicians can be. They can't even press the right button in a yes or no situation.
AM910 10 months, 3 weeks ago
bubbasmith: Can each county ban fracking?
Even if they could, Moore County won't. The greed that our elected officials inherit once they take office forbids them from denying cash flow into their pockets.
aggou 10 months, 3 weeks ago
lol how stupid. n/t
Toda 10 months, 3 weeks ago
"Boles and other fracking supporters tout the new jobs and tax revenue that fracking will bring to North Carolina" what a stupid remark...how many people in this state have the skills to work on deep drilling rigs as roughnecks? NONE JAMIE!
Toda 10 months, 3 weeks ago
bubbbasmith => Nick Picerno and his son-in-law along with Larry Caddell worked long and hard hours putting out signs and arranging speaking engagements for Jerry Tillman...they are on the Fracking train along with the other anti-environmentalists.
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Becky Carney, You are an idiot! How can you not know which button to push? Who the heck elected you? The true villain here is House Majority Leader Ship Stam, or is it Skip Sham or Skip Shame??? He blocked her from changing her vote, great work there Skip! Don't forget that name when he is up for reelection, add it to the list of Bury Us All Boles, and Fill my Till Tillman. Snakes in the grass with the interests of oil companies first and foremost in on their agendas. They have to come through with all the promises made for those big contributions to their run for office. Let's all make a list of those responsible for this "disaster in the making" for future use at the polls and for a great big class action suit when this all goes wrong and we lose our aquifers to chemical contamination. The soil and shale in Moore county is a different animal compared to the make up of the shale that is in Pa. that has already been decimated by this process. Much more vulnerable to accidents and spills and yet our Republicans are all for it! Why? Money doesn't talk it screams! Now we need to scream and let these losers know that the public will not just stand by and let this happen here. The few who vote for the many must be held accountable for the damage they allow to happen by bills they sponsor and vote through. Don't come back with the "jobs" this will create, it is BS. The drillers bring in their own trained people, they don't hire from the areas that they slash and burn. Don't forget the devaluation of the quality of life in Moore county that will take a direct hit, real or imagined by others considering moving here, would you now want to live near any the countless sites in Pa. that have been contaminated? Think about it and punish those who put the almighty dollar above their constituents! This is not the end of this bill, I predict demonstrations and condemnation of those who sell their land for this purpose. To be continued....!
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
This headline is for all of you, nothing to do with this topic, I apologize, but since The Pilot is days behind any news I wanted to let you all know what happened last night!
North Carolina Defunds Planned Parenthood In Midnight Vote, Overriding Veto
Just wanted let you know what other fantastic kicks in the behind our wonderful legislature has up it's sleeves! Midnight vote, how comforting, this state just keeps getting better and better, (NOT!).
dustyrhoades 10 months, 3 weeks ago
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clarabelle 10 months, 3 weeks ago
this is what happens when there is a republican majority in Raleigh. back to 1930.
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Thank God, we have SOMEBODY in our Legislature with enough guts to stand up to these stupid whatever you want to call them (libs, democrats, constitution trashes, etc, etc, etc)! ! ! ! !
All they can see is the nose on the front of their faces while trying to peer into their mailboxes for that Monthly Check coming from Washington and Raleigh! Mind you, from the the taxes of our middle class and wealthy... Why the heck do you think the majority of our jobs and wealth have exited our borders for places like China, Mexico and other nations? It's because of you Stupid SO CALLED Socialists, Digressive, Depressive, Democratic dumb a _ _ ! We the Rich are fed up with taking care of your sorry butts! You will only find MORE Need coming out of your door, rather than Money to your mailboxes! The hand writing is on YOUR WALLS! You need to get out and find a job CUTTING GRASS, wiping somebody's backside, changing tires on cars or whatever, and quit trying to go back to school (to get paid) while moving back in with mama and daddy, so you don't have to work because those days are QUICKLY Disappearing! I for one am Glad... When ALL My Children finished High School, I MADE them get out of the house, GO TO WORK and EARN their way through College! And NO, they didn't Qualify for all these grants/loans etc, etc.... They WORKED their way to the top and I'm proud to say they MADE IT, off the sweat of their brows and the Brains GOD gave them with a little assistance from their mom and dad pushing them to what seemed the limits! Nobody I know ever died from good hard work. They only made it to success!
NewspaperReader 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Cheer up folks, there are over 400,000 natural gas wells in the U.S. (0 in NC of course), and only a handful are linked to complaints of contaminated water. Gas companies will only be able to drill in NC after 2 years of research and another vote, and all the while the legislature may strengthen the regulations further.
There is not going to be any mass poisoning of water supplies. Moore County will be better off for the money it brings.
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@tarheelborn, What does your rant about welfare have to do with any topic on this page? It doesn't make any sense. Are you on the wrong page? Maybe you are literally! If you read the article the veto was over ridden by a MISTAKE, the wrong button was pushed. So no one had the guts as you say, they just had the stupidity to push the wrong button!
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
FRACKING IS HERE TO STAY! Now. Since the prosperity is coming, I would like to make a suggestion. As the old saying goes, "nothing lasts forever"... Jump in here with everything you have, make all the money you can in your profession, SAVE THAT MONEY and only invest it in something SOLID.... As soon as the drilling rigs are gone (and they will leave), THEN at least the local businesses and their owners which have reaped the wealth this industry shall bring, will be able to ENJOY RETIREMENT as Never Before! Don't be stupid and JEALOUS! Be PROGRESSIVE as you want to call yourselves! PROGRESS and THINK of how YOU can Capitalize off this new found industry! Open a little restaurant, tire changing business, (for all the trucks), etc, etc.... DO SOMETHING to be POSITIVE rather than NEGATIVE! You will find if you channel all your POSITIVE ENERGY into something Positive rather than WASTE ALL YOUR ENERGY into Negative thoughts, your life will be SO MUCH MORE REWARDING! ! ! ! !
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Sorry getreal. I wasn't finished... READ ON to my latest comment, plz....
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@tarheelborn, You bought the promise of jobs and prosperity hook line and sinker. I don't trust fracking, there is too much evidence of spills and contamination. More than just a "handful" as NewspaperReader wants us to believe. You sound like a self-centered republican who only cares about the bottom line and what money you can get out of it, no concern for the damage caused in the long run. Good luck with that, your children you are so proud of will have to deal with the repercussions of this in their future. As for opening a restaurant, if there is contamination, you won't able to use the water! I have never had a handout in my life, worked since I was 16 years old. I still don't get the welfare rant part of your post. Progress can be positive, this is not progress, it is payback and underhanded politics. As for negative thoughts, go back and read the beginning of your own post.
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
I know a lot of you so called (Obama Progressives) don't want to hear this, but HAPPY 4TH OF JULY! ! ! It is because of our Freedom and Loss of American Lives, YOU BUNCH OF NARROW MINDED SOCIALISTS can WRITE, SAY and DO WHATEVER you want!
You need to visit some of the countries I have been, where you are BEATEN TO DEATH for Opening your MOUTH trying to Express your OWN FEELINGS!
STUPID can only speak STUPID, if you have never experienced REAL FEAR and TORTURE! Talk with a few of our POW's and you LEARN ALL ABOUT FEAR, BEATINGS and DEATH! Yes I'm ON A ROLL, because I heard someone today Trashing our AMERICAN FLAG and What it stands for! If you don't like it, GO THE HELL BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM! Stupid PANSY.....
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh, and BTW I am not a democrat so don't go there. Thanks for letting us know you are part of "We the rich". Another mystery solved!
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@getreal. Time will tell. Sorry for the ranting, but it really gets the best of me, for someone to trash our constitution, flag and beliefs, when they come over here and live fat off our nation and then have the (right) yes RIGHT, because we paid for that RIGHT for them to trash US???? D _ _ _ them!
"""We the rich". Another mystery solved!"" I didn't know I was a Mystery.. Oh well. all I can say is EVERY DOLLAR I have, has come by way of HARD and SMART Work! I didn't inherit, sue or steal my money. I EARNED IT and PROUD of it too! I Give more to the less fortunate than most people make on their jobs in a YEAR! But, you never hear me say a word about it. That is the ONLY MYSTERY about me, Sir... I don't BRAG in public about it. Only my accounting firms know and if it ever came back, they said anything, they KNOW what would happen to them!
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@getreal. I am neither Dem or Rep. From the beginning of our founding of this Great Nation, there was an establishment of the (2) two party system. This was the ONLY WAY either side could BLAME the other, when something went wrong! There always has to be a scape goat. When it comes to Dem and Reps, THEY ALL LIE! Sorry, but those are the FACTS Sir.....
NewspaperReader 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Getreal - "More than just a "handful" as NewspaperReader wants us to believe."
Hundreds of thousands of wells operate without anyone accusing them of contaminating ground water. Of the relative few that do, improper disposal of waste water, not the fracking itself, is often suspect. Some cases turned out to be the result of faulty water wells. It has not yet once been proven that hydraulic fracturing directly caused contamination, and with proper regulation, the risk can be very low.
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Thank you NewspaperReader... You are Spot On! Only uneducated environmentalist tree huggers which were not fortunate enough and jealous because, they do not OWN any REAL PROPERTY do we find are the ONLY ones crying WOLF, WOLF! I've see it over and over again. This is a VERY GOOD THING for us! Like I said above, everyone needs to find a way SO THEY CAN MAKE MONEY from this, rather than complain and show their jealously as to the subject. There is WELL ENOUGH prosperity to go around!
bubbasmith 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@tarheelborn, Do you need a dipper for the rain water barrel were going to send you to get your drinking water? I guess if you don't live around Robbins/High Falls it doesn't matter to you if the ground water is poison.
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@tarheelborn, Your remark "Only uneducated environmentalist tree huggers which were not fortunate enough and jealous because, they do not OWN any REAL PROPERTY do we find are the ONLY ones crying WOLF, WOLF!" Is not only ridiculous but shows your true colors as an elitist, arrogant individual. How do you know who owns property or doesn't own property? If someone doesn't have the opportunity to own their own home in this economy are they less of a person? That statement certainly makes you less of a person. I have owned property most of my adult life up to and including the present time. Just because some people care about what happens to the environment doesn't make them "tree huggers". They are probably more educated than you appear to be by the tone, language and attitude of your posts. The more educated and informed a person is, the better to see through the smoke screens of politicians and money hungry fools like yourself. The "hooray for me and the heck with everybody else mentality" is what has gotten this country into the mess it is in now. Sit in your big house and breath your smug air. My home is probably larger than yours but I don't judge or condemn others because of what I own as you do!
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@getreal. ""If someone doesn't have the opportunity to own their own home in this economy are they less of a person?""
I beg your pardon Sir. Anyone in this country, which has held down a job for 12 consecutive months , not been slothful in paying their bills on time and continues to do so, (unless they have had illness or some catastrophic occurrence) has had the Opportunity to OWN A HOME... That has been, and more so in the last 10 years, become REALITY!
""How do you know who owns property or doesn't own property?"" Jeeezzzzzz. Just go to the Moore County Website or NEARLY ANY County Website these days.... Go to the Tax Department section and TYPE IN A NAME! How hard is that? WOW. Not all who SAY they own their home Actually OWN THEIR HOME! However, you see them up at these public meetings, on the street and even in our local restaurants COMPLAINING about this and that. The one which complains the most about others prosperity or how well their neighbor is doing, only tells me just how jealous they really are. Again. Get a Job! You say, (oh, but the economy is so bad I can't find job)... As stupid says stupid IS! Get out and CREATE A JOB! Like I have done MANY TIMES in my laboring and later Professional Careers! There are NO EXCUSES. Sorry Sir. That is what makes our U.S.Military so Great. THEY MAKE YOU do what you are Lazy about doing... Then and only then can one become PROUD of their accomplishments. Piss them off enough and they will try and show you up! In the process all the while, they become Productive, Prosperous and WEALTHY! ! ! It worked for ME! Thank God I had parents and people in my life that kicked me in my butt and MADE me WORK!
Toda 10 months, 3 weeks ago
tarheelborn => You are back at it again with your mindless comments. We went down this road on another blog where I posted link after link of the problems in Pennsylvania and you continue with your jabberwocky.
Shall I re-post all those links to stress my point and position on environmental contamination?
Toda 10 months, 3 weeks ago
" in my laboring and later Professional Careers! There are NO EXCUSES. Sorry Sir."
Toda 10 months, 3 weeks ago
NewspaperReader => you must own stock in a gas company. Otherwise you might just understand how precious our Aquifers are here in this county.
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@tarheelborn, Your comments are illogical and extremely hateful. I see nothing that even resembles a concise thought besides your distaste for everyone else but yourself. You would think you are the only person in the area who ever worked hard and reaped the benefits of productivity. I give up, you can't argue with a sick mind and you sir, fit that description. Go out, have few beers or wine, get over the comment that some stupid person made to you about our American flag that put you over the edge. You said it yourself, stupid is as stupid does, you are your own perfect example. The more you rant the less intelligent you appear. Go at it, I am done, dig yourself deeper with more garbage posts. Happy 4th of July, you are lucky you have the freedom of speech, otherwise you would probably be silenced. I can only hope you raised your children with a different mindset than you display on this thread for their sake. BTW use of all caps only make you look even more unbalanced than your posts. Enough said!
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
@Toda, Thanks for all of the links in your previous posts on other threads and your intelligent, but fruitless attempts to communicate with tarheelborn. I am a fan!
NewspaperReader 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda - "you must own stock in a gas company. Otherwise you might just understand how precious our Aquifers are here in this county."
Perhaps it is that I realize that the actual environmental impact of fracking is quite small compared to the economic benefit. These assertions that fracking is going to poison everyone's water are pure hyperbole and are not reflected by any scientific studies to date.
"You and Tarheelborn should move to PA where there is plenty of work and a disastrous environmental catastrophe."
What catastrophe are you referring to? You do realize that PA is not the only state with fracking operations, correct?
http://205.254.135.7/dnav/ng/ng_prod_wells_s1_a.htm
"North Carolinans really don't endorse Fracking or any drilling"
Do you speak for all North Carolinians? PPP had a poll in NC on fracking. 50% didn't even know what fracking was or don't care, and the rest were split almost evenly.
tarheelborn 10 months, 3 weeks ago
You must be short on memory guy's. I know perfectly (by my previous posts) Caps is SHOUTING! I was on computers before the internet and public were on them... It's easy for stupid ignorant people to make comments about an industry they know NOTHING ABOUT! And yes I am again SHOUTING. You must also be on the welfare line which MY and MANY OTHER corporations and employees taxes support.
What MOST people don't know is the News Media, ONLY Print what their Liberal Owners Make them Print! And sorry folks. I hate to inform you, but Most News Media are CONTROLLED and Managed by Liberals! Why in the world do you Mostly see BAD NEWS? Because the ONLY news which makes news is BAD NEWS! Back during the War it was called (PROPAGANDA)! ! ! Because all the Liberals want you to see, is how BAD they want you to think it is.... Down with Negativity. If I quit every time I faced problems, negativity, a down economy or any other BAD Newspaper article, I would be just like the 75% of you Poor, Wining, Welfare Leaching, I Can't Find A Job, Individuals...
Again. THE MEDIA is Only going to print Bad Stuff about the Fracking Industry. One day REAL SOON, you ignorant people will see that North Carolina will see Fracking is DONE RIGHT, therefore setting a HIGH STANDARD for the rest of the Industry! That gentlemen, will resolve any small insignificant issues they might possible have. Say what you will, but Fracking is SAFE, HERE TO STAY and our State will see it is done BETTER Here, than Anywhere else!
@getreal. ""BTW use of all caps only make you look even more unbalanced than your posts."" You Sir are the unbalanced one. I Don't us ALL CAPS! Just take a Real Look at my Posts! I nor anyone else sees "All Caps"... More dumbness! End of Story.....
getreal 10 months, 3 weeks ago
You use all caps on all the words you are "yelling", you NUTCASE! Oops! I sank to your level. Look tarheelborn (your association with your moniker is an insult to those born here), why don't you take this thread to one of your brilliant, successful children and let them read it. I think if they are smart and honest they will tell you to chill out and stop embarrassing yourself.
PBinNC 10 months, 3 weeks ago
I thought I had something intelligent to say on the subject of electing people who were supposed to represent me, to whom I write constantly without receiving any reply whatsoever, but somehow that doesn't seem to fit the thread of these comments.
clarabelle 10 months, 3 weeks ago
whew.......... tarheelborn needs to change those diapers - must be 2-3 days overdue!
I wonder how many people he thinks actually reads his senseless vitriol!
JD 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Fracking is a noxious practice that will raise cancer rates in the state. So happy ACA was upheld by the Robert's Court. Sad that Rep. Jamie Boles just wants to up his own Undertaking business.
tarheelborn 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@clarabelle . ""I wonder how many people he thinks actually reads his senseless vitriol!""
YOU and Everyone else my dear. Continue to show YOUR Ignorance...........
I've had to work all the time, but what little Television I did see, Just remember, "anything you say, can and will be used against you". I learned that by watching what little I did on Hawaii 5-O many years ago. I know when to shut up and when to speak it out... I need to SPEAK, OUT, LOUD more often. At least everyone on this thread is READING!
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Except you.
ohreally 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Looks like to me the big 'mistake' was in the study. 40 years to 5.6 years supply?
JH 10 months, 2 weeks ago
This is "Too Easy" ! It takes 15 minutes to type fracking into Google, and weigh out the costs/benefits. You decide, then hold those accountable, if you feel led.
Now ask, " If it's that easy to make an informed decision, is there no depth that our politicians will stoop to sell their ethics/morals.
Lastly, what will it take to get us to do more than grumble?
bubbasmith 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@tarheelborn; It's obvious that you have land in the northern end of the county and are set to gain from the oil companies. Hope you enjoy dipping your drinking water from a rainwater barrel.
tarheelborn 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@bubbasmith.
Now come on, Bubba. If you have read my postings from days ago, you will know I Do Not Own Any Land in the gas areas. My holdings are elsewhere in other states and countries. I'm just SO HAPPY to see JOBS coming! ! ! There are a LOT of people without JOBS..... Especially the poor folks up in Robbins and High Falls. But then again, all you (Better than They) might not be able to stand the heat when the Robbins and High Falls people which have been looked upon by the wealthier southern Moore County as (Redheaded Step Children) become ULTRA WEALTHY! Maybe THAT is the Root of the Debate here...... Oh yes! The Last Shall be FIRST and the First LAST! Sorry Toda and the rest of you liberal southerners.... ROBBINS SHALL RISE AGAIN!
Toda 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Newspaper Reader => you know there are 31 states conducting Fracking ~ don't you? If not here's some info for you ... and tarheelborn:
Click Here for info
Toda 10 months, 2 weeks ago
The better informed one is the better decisions are made to those with the intellectual capacity to learn and understand:
And for NR and TB there is a map - click here!
Toda 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Perhaps NewspaperReader can provide some intellectual insight and his perspective on the late Clark Cox's article in 2003 ... the only change has been the politicians have become more money hungry.
Here you go NR
mcg2010 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Seems like tarheelborn has finally offered us a conservative counterpart to moonchild. Glad to know all all the crazy, CAPSLOCK, bases can be equally covered now.
teufelhunden 10 months, 2 weeks ago
tarheelborn-moonchild's alter ego?
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@JH, Hopefully it will take 2 years for this to come into use and if we are lucky there will an out pouring of resistance from the public that might prevent it from getting the needed vote. If fracking is passed at that time without the needed changes to safeguard the land, water and the residents, we must make it known that it is not welcome here. I would not be against being part of demonstrations and blocking sites. I also think those who enter into sales of their land for this purpose should be publicly condemned. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Like I stated before, those opposed must make sure that the politicians who pushed this through are not reelected, your opposition should be constantly phoned, emailed and mailed to their offices. National News media will be contacted about the resistance. It is not enough to grumble as you said, people must make the effort to stop this before Moore county is added to the maps of fraccidents that Toda has included in previous posts. This is a serious threat to life as we know it here. We may be powerless in most of unfair bills and laws that our legislature has dumped on us, maybe, just maybe we can fight this and win for once, at least we can try. Just remember, all of this destruction for a measly 5.6 years worth of falling price natural gas. Let's ask the people in Pa. how many jobs were created and how much the local economy was helped before we buy the carrot on the stick Boles and Tillman have dangled before us.
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Here's some current 2012 info for NewspaperReader,
Outside of Vermont, natural gas-rich states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Texas, Wyoming and Colorado aren’t waiting to tap into their plentiful resources. Spurred by the promise of adding jobs and tax revenue, policy makers in these and other states have already given fracking the go-ahead. But even there, officials have recognized a need to manage a technology that’s transforming the country’s landscape.
“This is such a huge issue. It really is a balancing act,” says Jacquelyn Pless, who tracks fracking policy for the National Conference of State Legislatures. “Every state is looking at it differently.”
The natural gas industry has been fracking in the U.S. for decades, but new technology has transformed the process. In the past, companies practiced vertical fracking — drilling straight down and blowing small holes around wells. But the new technique is horizontal fracking, in which drillers bore straight down and then make a turn, giving them access to more rock. That requires the use of more chemicals and more water — up to 10 times as much as is used in vertical fracking.
“This is not like previous drilling regimes,” says Henry Henderson of the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC). “A whole new set of practices brings a whole new set of things that need to be understood.”
So, much of the safe already operating gas wells you refer to, are older straight down wells, not the new type horizontal fracking wells. Completely different kind of well, much larger chance of problems.
bubbasmith 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@getreal; Demonstrations are really not the best way to handle something like this. We do need to put pressure on local politicians at the county and municipal governments to ban fracking locally and to not make water available for the fracking process. It has been said that Robbins does not want their water to be used for fracking if a water deal is worked out with the County, hope that is true. This one action won't stop a big oil company but if everyone gets together it would make it difficult for the oil companies to make a profit.
tlm123 10 months, 2 weeks ago
What an insane amount of anger is being expressed in these blogs. The ranting has nothing to do with the topic. Clearly someone is out of balance emotionally, and all of the angry comments they are sharing reveals a world view that is the kind that divides people, never unites them unless it is for an us against them rationale. Children raised in such an angry atmosphere come out confused, they either are angry too, in imitation and internalized conformity, or they may be harmful to themselves or others, or they may be just sad and find it difficult to cope. I believe it is important for people to try to get to a place of peace with life, disagreements are fine, it is the hatred and virulent anger that is not.
I admire someone who can tolerate differences of opinion. It really is possible to be pleasant while differing in opinion. And if a person can't get to the point of tolerating the fact that they can't always get their way, they will never attain responsible adulthood or peace. As for what the article was about -- pathetic. Only question is was it a mistake or pay off?
JH 10 months, 2 weeks ago
JH 10 months, 2 weeks ago
to be posting, let me know. I will tell you in advance, hitting the refresh key, will lead to a bad day! In the ether is the remark, ' Wow", what a great influx of Information. I must admit that when I first heard about fracking, I thought it was wonderful. We can ride out our own resources until cleaner, renewable resources come online. Then, when NC started the debate, I heard with different ears: toxicity, disease, unregulation.....Now, to have it knocking on the door, it is a bad dream realized. The impacts are there for anyone to read. I can only hope that our fellow citizens who are for fracking here, hav'nt journeyed down the bumpy and uncomfortable journey that is but a mouse click away from sometimes, easier to access news sources. Please forgive the double post, this keyboard is having its way with me!
AnimalLover 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Mr. Boles, I am happy that you are so pleased with yourself, for making history, while you sell out your constituents. I told Mr. Blake the same thing I am about to tell you. I hope the first well is dug in your backyard. And I hope that it turns out the same as the other wells dug around the country. You be the first one to drink poisoned water that you can set on fire. As for me, I like my well water just the way it is right now, CLEAN. You are a disgrace, Mr. Boles. You and all the other self-serving jerks. You are doing us a big favor by not running for office again. I'm just sorry that I won't have the opportunity to vote for your competitor.
cooldaddy 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Tarheel is worried about a micro brewery in Pinehurst. Very smart Tarheel. God forbid something besides zombie golfers walk the streets. You support fracking...as long as it isn't in town I guess. Why do you impose it on others? You will just fuss when the traffic cuts through and makes noise during your dinner time at 4 pm or bedtime at 6,. If you are so rich, buy the land they want with stipulations and then you can stop it...for awhile. You do to the republican party what Al sharpton does to the democrats...makes most ashamed.
lakeview 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Only 1000 complaints over 30-40 years from 493,000 active wells??? That's all??? Whether for or against fracking, that is a ridicuously low percentage.
NewspaperReader 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Toda - "you know there are 31 states conducting Fracking ~ don't you? If not here's some info for you ..."
The link I provided in my previous post is a table with the number of natural gas wells in each state.
From what I have seen, it does not appear that you bother to read and understand my posts before you reply with some asinine comment followed by the first link that came up in a Google search. Maybe it's just me.
Toda, do you believe that the act of hydraulic fracturing directly contaminates ground water?
JD 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Toda, do you believe that the act of hydraulic fracturing directly contaminates ground water?
I can answer that one. Yes it does and yes it will.
and with the holiday in mind. Fracking will poison your beer. I wonder if the brewery they want in Pinehurst is aware?
NewspaperReader 10 months, 2 weeks ago
JD, when I say the act of hydraulic fracturing, I am talking specifically about the injection of fluid. When I say directly, I mean contamination as a direct consequence of the injection process.
To clarify further, that means I am not talking about contamination as a result of: drilling, flowback, pipeline failure, blowouts, or any other accidental release of fluids or gas.
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
NewspaperReader, (Which you obviously don't do), So your point is what? That as long as the contamination isn't caused by the injection process, then it doesn't count? Really? So the contamination from drilling, flowback, pipeline failure, blowouts, or another accidental release of fluids or gas is OK? You have got to be kidding! I will repeat this again for your convenience; Vermont 2012:
The natural gas industry has been fracking in the U.S. for decades, but new technology has transformed the process. In the past, companies practiced vertical fracking — drilling straight down and blowing small holes around wells. But the new technique is horizontal fracking, in which drillers bore straight down and then make a turn, giving them access to more rock. That requires the use of more chemicals and more water — up to 10 times as much as is used in vertical fracking. “This is not like previous drilling regimes,” says Henry Henderson of the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC). “A whole new set of practices brings a whole new set of things that need to be understood.”
So the countless wells you keep talking about that are safe are the older straight down fracking wells, not the newer horizontal fracking wells. You just don't get it do you? But we do. The way you talk around the facts, you should run for office. You will fit right in with our current underhanded politicians.
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Extra, Extra read all about this! :http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/03/2177859/nc-lawmaker-loses-award-after.html
Rep. Susi Hamilton has been accused of selling out her vote on the fracking bill over ride for an extended tax break for Wilmington's movie industry. Because of this her "Rising Star award has been recinded. Read below;
RALEIGH – The North Carolina League of Conservation Voters (NCLCV) announced today it is rescinding its “Rising Star” award given to Rep. Susi Hamilton on June 20th. The award was given to Hamilton for her pro-environmental record in her first term as a legislator at NCLCV’s annual Green Tie Award dinner in Raleigh. Representative Hamilton voted to override Governor Beverly Perdue’s courageous veto of SB 820, an ill-conceived, controversial bill which would allow fracking in North Carolina without insuring the proper safeguards to protect public health, drinking water, and property rights.
This is bold step that the organization is not taking lightly. “Politics is not a zero sum game and other awardees have made choices that we did not agree with. However, the circumstances, timing, and weight of this issue warrants a significant response,” said Nina Szlosberg-Landis, president of NCLCV. “Our members put a lot of trust in this organization, and we do not take that trust lightly,” she went on to say.
Board members, supporters, and past Green Tie award winners began contacting the organization early on Monday after learning Hamilton was brokering a deal with Republican leadership to “trade her vote” on the fracking override to secure an extension of tax incentives for the movie industry, buried in a technical corrections bill. The tax incentive Hamilton sought had been championed by New Hanover County Republican Lawmaker Danny McComas, and likely would have happened regardless of how Hamilton voted.
“Last night Captain America prevailed over clean drinking water and the property rights of North Carolinians,” said Dan Crawford, director of governmental relations for NCLCV. “We found out that even this Green Tie Award winner “has her price.” This was too big of a vote to sell out the environment on an issue that will change the landscape of our state for years to come,” he concluded. I ask everyone reading this post who opposes fracking in this state to hound this Susi Hamiltion with emails, letters, phone calls and Facebook condemnation. She should be shamed and removed from office! Just another kick in the behind for residents of the state of North Carolina.
I am still waiting for the Pilot to report about the headline worthy news of July 3rd. stating that -
North Carolina Defunds Planned Parenthood In Midnight Vote, Over riding Veto!
Shall we bend over again for another swift kick? I guess so!
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
this is how the last paragraph should read. This site is tough to control! Excuse the running of the article into my personal suggestions.
“Last night Captain America prevailed over clean drinking water and the property rights of North Carolinians,” said Dan Crawford, director of governmental relations for NCLCV. “We found out that even this Green Tie Award winner “has her price.” This was too big of a vote to sell out the environment on an issue that will change the landscape of our state for years to come,” he concluded.
I ask everyone reading this post who opposes fracking in this state to hound this Susi Hamiltion with emails, letters, phone calls and Facebook condemnation. She should be shamed and removed from office! Just another kick in the behind for residents of the state of North Carolina. I am still waiting for the Pilot to report about the headline worthy news of July 3rd. stating that - North Carolina Defunds Planned Parenthood In Midnight Vote, Over riding Veto! Shall we bend over again for another swift kick? I guess so!
tarheelborn 10 months, 2 weeks ago
I say of (getreal) and his ranting. GET OVER IT! Oh Yeah oh Yeah and the Sky is Falling too... Right? RIGHT!
Let the silly little "nonprofit, special interest, try to hide money under a so called ENVIRONMENTAL, Saving Mother Earth sham of an Organization) do what ever the Heck they want to do to her. Take Back the lil paltry award! She did what was BEST for her Constituents in her district! She gets an A+++ in my book! Her vote and everyone else which voted for fracking, is a VOTE for Progress and Jobs and Prosperity for the Great State of North Carolina!
""North Carolina Defunds Planned Parenthood In Midnight Vote, Over riding Veto!"" Thank God Almighty our State of N.C. Legislature had enough guts to stop Wasting our tax monies on this Money Bucket too! What ever happened to "RESPONSIBILITY and RESPECTABILITY" Folks????? We are putting a stop to all these running around here which cannot CONTROL THEIR LUSTS, and then try and make US PAY for them to Kill their Unborn Child, because THEY don't want the RESPONSIBILITY or the COMMITMENT necessary of raising that child the next 20YEARS! If you are a Democrat or Republican it makes NO Difference.... Look Guy's... Either KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS, or use PROTECTION/BIRTH CONTROL! And Don't let the Participating Party TALK YOU INTO the mindset, (oh, it's not that time of month for me to get pregnant BS)... Again Education Guy's! Haven't you ever heard of the (Money Making Machine) ALL Women have??? The Court System is FULL of it every time you look at the district court calendar or serve on Jury Duty? They Get Paid, from YOU GUY'S and our Hard Earned Tax Money, keeping up all these poor little kids which SELDOM SEE THEIR MONEY, which Daddy sends them every week or Month, Just so MOMMY can go out on the weekends and Party (during The GIRLS Night Out) , buy nice things for herself all the while letting the Children Lack Back Home! And Don't even say it don't happen, because everyone reading this post KNOW it Happens!
So Happy to see Responsibility, Accountability and Respectability, returning to our State Legislature! There Just Might be SOME HOPE for us, after all......
NewspaperReader 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Getreal - "So your point is what? That as long as the contamination isn't caused by the injection process, then it doesn't count?"
No, I only asked the question. Your apparent agreement that fracking does not inherently contaminate ground water leads to my next question - why would you want the fracking process banned if it is not the fracking itself that causes contamination?
getreal 10 months, 2 weeks ago
NewspaperReader, You only read what you want to read, the process of fracking has inherent risks, period. You response is ridiculous, contamination is contamination and it happens from accidents when fracking rock. Didn't you read the entire posts explaining the differences in process? Geeze, why don't you and Tarheelborn just get together and have a good time patting yourselves on the back for being self-centered, greedy and lacking concern for others who live in the area you think is okay to risk for the monetary gain of the few. I realize any logical discussion is lost on both of you and especially Tarheelborn, who's rants and hate for others is so apparent. I'll say it again, "You can't argue with a sick mind." I am finished wasting my time on this thread. I will not reply again. Tarheelborn can now give his caps lock key a rest or continue rant like a fool with obvious issues with most of people who live here. Thank heaven you are the only 2 posters here who believe as you do. I feel sorry for Tarheelborn, so filled with prejudice and intolerance for those who aren't as financially well off as he professes to be. I feel sorry for him. Peace out.
NewspaperReader 10 months, 2 weeks ago
"You only read what you want to read..."
I only respond to what I want to respond to. I have enough respect to read everything one has posted before I reply.
"You response is ridiculous, contamination is contamination and it happens from accidents when fracking rock."
It happens from accidents which occur before or after the rock has been "fracked." That is what we just established!
"the process of fracking has inherent risks, period."
Of course it has risks. Drilling for oil has risks, mining coal has risks, nuclear power has risks. We shouldn't ban harvesting resources because it is risky, we should manage the risks with reasonable legislation that allows us to both harvest energy and protect the environment.
"Didn't you read the entire posts explaining the differences in process"
I did, and I am already aware of the differences, but thanks. Feel free to share the exact number of operating horizontal fracking sites, if you believe that will enhance your argument.
I won't think any less of you if you reply even though you said you wouldn't, I do enjoy the discussion.
cooldaddy 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Tarheel...you are what gives us a bad name. (i am talking about the human race) Seriously...do you even know what you are saying? Let me think of something positive about you....hmmmm....ok...You certainly don't need earmuffs in the winter since you live with your head up your tail. Given your many, many comments, and extracting nothing of value, that was the best I could say. have a nice day, and understand this. No one takes you seriously. There are a couple of others who blog like it is their job who join you in that honor.