Boles Part of Fracking Group Visiting Pennsylvania
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State Rep. Jamie Boles and three other House Republicans are in Pennsylvania this week to learn more about fracking, the controversial natural gas extraction method.
Fracking is illegal in North Carolina — for now. But legislation passed last year by the General Assembly has moved the state closer to shale gas development.
House Bill 242 calls for completion of a study by three state agencies by May 1, in time for the 2012 legislative session. Among other things, the study must include an assessment of the potential environmental, economic and social impacts.
“I don’t know a whole lot about fracking, so I personally want to look at everything,” Boles said Tuesday from Pennsylvania. “We’re going all over the place and meeting with people on both sides of the issue. I’d just like to see how fracking operates and what the concerns are across the board.”
The four-day trip, which ends Friday, was planned by the N.C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), the lead agency conducting the study. The North Carolina contingent includes DENR staff members, Boles and fellow House Republicans Mitch Gillespie, Mike Stone and Chuck McGrady, a former president of the Sierra Club board of directors.
“We’re just piggybacking off the DENR fact-finding trip,” Boles said.
Each representative will receive $500 to help pay for the trip from an account set aside for lawmaker and staff travel expenses.
“We’re paying the rest out of our pockets,” Boles said.
The timing appears to be crucial as both sides of the fracking debate are either making last-minute pitches or gathering additional facts before the study is submitted to the General Assembly. The stakes are high because the study must pick a side — either for or against fracking.
Last week, the North Carolina chapter of the Sierra Club launched “The Fracking Truth” campaign to call attention to the method. The campaign includes a website called The Daily Frack, as well as a Facebook page and Twitter account.
Dustin Chicurel-Bayard, the club’s director of communications, said the response has been “overwhelming.”
“We’ve gotten a lot of good feedback from the public,” Chicurel-Bayard said. “People are raising a lot of excellent questions about fracking. Given what people are saying, I think they realize that fracking is going to be a big issue in North Carolina this year.”
The American Petroleum Institute is hosting a workshop Thursday at the Raleigh Marriott City Center titled “Hydraulic Fracturing Recommended Practices.”
According to the energyfromshale.org website, the complimentary workshop will feature an in-depth discussion designed to “provide an opportunity for attendees to learn about the standards and guidance documents developed by industry experts, and hear from state regulators and experts about the latest activities in Raleigh, North Carolina.”
DENR will conduct its final two public hearings — the first took place last October — at the Wicker Center in Sanford on March 20 and in the auditorium of East Chapel Hill High School in Chapel Hill on March 27.
The as-yet unwritten draft report that will conclude the study will be discussed at both hearings, and public comments will be accepted.
The global boom in fracking over the past decade may soon be germain to northern Moore County, which lies atop the Deep River Basin, where state geologists believe a 40-year supply of natural gas exists.
There is a contentious worldwide debate over whether fracking is safe, with little scientific evidence to fill an information gap that has made it difficult for lawmakers and the public to understand the risks.
Contact Ted M. Natt at tnatt@thepilot.com.
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GJohn 1 year, 3 months ago
To all lawmakers - please, please vote AGAINST fracking! It is detrimental to the environment and to people's health!
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
There's so much more to this fracking than just drilling for gas. It's all about our water. There is no safe way to inject the carcinogenic chemicals into the earth and it not show up in our water systems poisoning people and animals forcing them to leave their family homes. People don't realize how precious our water is until we can't use it any more. Is destroying our water which we can't live without worth the carrot of money the gas companies are dangling in front of land owners and our state? North Carolina is one of the few states left that is still clean and protects it's water. If we succumb to the pressures of these gas companies we will never be able to go back. We are already in a drought area of the country and can't afford to damage our water, it's needed for our farmers and people to live. Without water we have nothing.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Sound pollution is another issue. In order for companies to make it worth while they need to drill many wells in an area. All those wells must have a pumping station to pump the gas. These pumps run non stop 24 hours a day with their persistent drone that can be heard by anyone living nearby. Imagine how pleasant it will be to wake up early one morning to take a walk or enjoy the birds only to hear a constant noise in the background that will never go away. I don't live in the piece and quiet of the country only for it to be drowned out by this invasion of noise day and night.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Don't forget about the massive fleet of trucks needed to put these wells in driving up and down all our roads every day. The damage to our road systems is something to be very concerned with because who is responsible to repair them? We're talking about hundreds of huge tractor trailer trucks and hundreds of water tankers daily. It will feel like an invasion of an army coming here to ravage our lands. Think about it, do we really want this here in North Carolina?
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
There's nothing that says the truck drivers, well builders and heavy machinery drivers have to come from North Carolina so when "they" say it brings in jobs, it's not doing anything for our people unless they happen to work for these companies. What it does bring here is a transient army of people from all over the country infusing into our communities. Sometimes huge dormitories of trailers are built for the work forces in an area and yes they will buy gas, food, and go to restaurants but it has also been documented that the crime rates go up in these areas. Again a drain on our police resources that we are responsible for.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
North Carolina is such a beautiful state why would we want to allow an irresponsible ravaging industry here to do what they want without any rules? The Gas companies money is pouring into our legislature pockets to change our environmental laws so they can come here without being responsible for their pollution on our individuals. They don't want to do their job responsibly, they want to do it the easy way and be reckless with our land and water. We should be upholding our standards and demand they find a better way. They have the money and resources to put into innovation but they want to change our laws instead of doing the right thing.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
There's so much information out there already from other states who have had to feel the repercussions of the Gas industries irresponsible behavior. We need to pay attention to that and hopefully make better decisions. I know money is the ultimate aphrodisiac that's hard to pass up , but not everything is worth the promise of immediate gratification.
witness2 1 year, 3 months ago
I was recently in W Va and saw some gas wells and fracking going on. Oh my gosh what a nasty mess on the roads and in the entire are. The entire area looks aweful. There are trucks running non stop up and down the roads. They are non stop and don't really pay alot of respect to the other vehicles traveling the roads. The materials they are hauling states brine on the trucks which I have been told is waste from the wells and the process used to extract the gas. Bright lights at the wells all night shining out into the roadway. Everything in and around this area is muddy and nasty looking. Sure this results in jobs, but is it worth it.Glad I don't have to make this decision. I commend Jamie Boles for taking his time and money to research this topic beforeing voting on this subject. He is dedicated to those he represents.
Nawaralsaadi 1 year, 3 months ago
The solution for fraccing pollution is waterless fraccing; Gasfrac has done over a 1000 fracs with gelled propane; you don’t need any water; you don’t produce any waste fluids (no need for injection wells); no need to flare (no CO2 emissions); truck traffic is cut to a trickle from 900+ trips per well for water fraccing to 30 with propane fracs; and on top of that the process increases oil and gas production; it is a win for the industry, a win for the community and a win for the environment.
babiehop 1 year, 3 months ago
If Rep. Boles is not convinced that fracking is a bad idea for N.C. I hope this trip will open his eyes. I wonder if he has received any contributions from companies that have interests in this industry. If he has, I will predict that is the way his vote will go. I hope this is not the case, but really, one look at a YouTube video of gasses from a kitchen sink igniting should be enough convincing. Not everyone has deep pockets, but everyone needs water. Sorry for the cynical outlook on this, but it seems like a show to pacify objectors so that he can say he did his research. Uh, flammable kitchen sink ?*%#!!?? What if it does pass, can we demand that it will be the less invasive process ? Yeah, that's what I thought.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Nawaralsaadi, unfortunately waterless fracking isn't the norm and they are not the companies with all the lobbying money pouring into our state.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
babiehop, Jamie Boles is a great guy but when I heard him speak at the Southern Pines meeting on fracking he admitted he didn't know anything about it and felt good about the state hiring people from the industry to tell them what to do. That was scary to hear, it's like asking the inmates to make their own rules.
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
" they are not the companies with all the lobbying money pouring into our state."
Nawaralsaadi 1 year, 3 months ago
sorry that was a re-post.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Thank you Toda, I guess what I meant was the waterless fracking technique isn't being used by the larger gas drilling companies who are interested in coming here. If waterless fracking were the standard I'd be much more supportive of them coming here.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Another point of concern is earthquakes attributed to Fracking in Pennsylvania, Arkansas and England.
AFCHIEF 1 year, 3 months ago
Earthquakes caused by fracking, lets throw in tsunamis also.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 3 months ago
All the FRAKS of Battlestar Galactica - Miniseries + Season 1 by pizzicotta
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
AFCHIEF => Interesting fact that geologist predict that the east coast will have an earthquake within the next few years. I am opposed to fracking regardless of the drilling methods. Mother Earth has way too many disruptions in her strata's to last for the next 100 years...lots of holes in the earths surface with oil well drilling. I recall something about a spill in the gulf not too long ago.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
AFCHIEF: I know it sounds crazy but it is happening http://www.wsmv.com/story/16447522/scientist-fracking-causing-earthquakes-in-ohio . This isn't some kind of alarmist view.
lakeview 1 year, 3 months ago
The sky is falling !! The sky is falling.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 3 months ago
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dustyrhoades 1 year, 3 months ago
What the hell. It's not like I was all that fond of water anyway.
JoeGarrison 1 year, 3 months ago
http://mooreconservative.blogspot.com/2012/02/to-frack-or-not-to-frack.html
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Funny Dusty I especially love the people yelling at the train, like it could hear them. This is a real issue for Moore County and I'd hope people would take this seriously. Water is finite, what we have is all we have and I don't know about you but it's tragic every summer when I drive by the corn fields that have turned brown because we don't have enough rain to support them. If these companies come here and use our water to do their fracking, what will we have left. This is a serious and life changing issue and I hope people will pay attention and take a stand on it. I don't trust our legislatures to make the right decision because as we all know the almighty dollar puts stars in thier eyes.
Nezumi 1 year, 3 months ago
Might be a good time to start up a bottled water distribution company here...
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Joe, "The fracking debate has been heating up with opponents and proponents jockeying for public support. The tree huggers, liberals, and democrats have all decried the action of fracking in North Carolina as dangerous and hazardous for North Carolinians and the environment." This is not a political position to look at an industry that wants to change our laws so they can come here and not be accountable for their actions. It doesn't make sense that we allow any business to come here and not be accountable for their actions. Did you know that some contracts that are being presented by the gas companies making the land owner responsible for any pollution that may occur to a neighbors well? There is a lot of slippery language in these contract and people need to know about it.
Bflat 1 year, 3 months ago
Boles and Blake were totally unprepared at the public meeting. It's a shame they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Thanks Bflat, I couldn't believe when Blake stood up and stated "I'm for big business" before he said anything else. What a thoughtful representative for our community.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Good one lakeview, try educating yourself, there's plenty of information out there from states who have gone through this. There's always Google you know.
jbruno 1 year, 3 months ago
Will someone please explain where the water that is used in frackking comes from! If it is to be locally supplied I want a piece of that bottling company. This area is short on water as it is.
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
Regardless what some say in support of Fracking in North Carolina, water is an issue and has been at the top of concerns for years. Apparently those who are getting their palms greased forgot about the water shortages we've experienced in years past.
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNl6sx059bE
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
Perhaps Boles could have stayed home and searched the internet for information on Fracking. Or did he need a vacation. http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_17506714
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
Folks this is a must read...http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/despite-the-dangers-of-fracking-north-carolina-lawmakers-want-to-legalize-it/Content?oid=2454484
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
"What you won't hear in the Exxon ad is the name of this technology: fracking. The controversial drilling method has become the new F-word after being linked to environmental calamities in at least a half dozen states.
These calamities are well documented and difficult to dispute. In Pennsylvania, Ohio and New York, explosive methane gas and hazardous fluids from fracking operations have contaminated drinking water, private wells and rivers. In several states, drilling companies have irresponsibly disposed of tainted wastewater, spilling toxic chemicals into streams and groundwater and sending radioactive wastewater to city sewage treatment plants that were unequipped to filter those kinds of materials.
Fracking is illegal in North Carolina—for now—and we would be hard-pressed to look for good examples of regulation in other states, where laws and enforcement of fracking are piecemeal at best.
"No state is a model that shows this can be done safely," says Molly Diggins, state director of the N.C. chapter of the Sierra Club. "In fact, it's quite the opposite. There's been one disaster after another."
GJohn 1 year, 3 months ago
SH59 - thank you, thank you for sharing all of this. It's the same information that I've heard for several years. Toda, thank you, too. Fracking is an environmental, economic, and social DISASTER. Keep spreading the word! Citizens: don't let it happen to us!
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
jbruno: That's a good question, either it comes from our own water sources like wells, lakes and rivers or it's shipped in. Either way it is water that will be unusable after it's used in the drilling process.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
JoeGarrison, I went back and read your blog again and your final statement is to just wait and see. I'm sorry but that isn't enough. There's so much information out there from other states that have just trusted the gas companies and are now in a mess. I don't think that's responsible citizenship to hide behind a political stand and not look at this as a real and personal issue that will affect all of us in a permanent way. It's one thing to say that's not my problem because it doesn't affect me but this could get very personal and in our own back yards so it's time for everyone to step in and get involved.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
If you want to contact Jamie Boles about your concerns here's his email address: jamie.boles@ncleg.net
JoeGarrison 1 year, 3 months ago
SH59- The fact is that we will have wait and see what the report finds, and after that what the legislature will do. In doing the research, My opinion is that fracking is a innovative way to obtain energy and properly regulated can be an economic boom to our state. There are vast deposits in Lee and Moore counties. Jobs will be created and we will have home-grown, if you will, energy that will reduce energy costs for North Carolina families. Again there are concerns, but I have friends in pennsylvania who say that fracking, like anything, can have and have had accidents but that it provides abundant energy and good paying jobs. Ultimately, whether for or against, we will have to wait and see what the study says as far as the legislative action goes. Let me address something. We have had oil spills, gas line leaks, and various other accidents and incidents when it comes to energy production. That is a concern/reality that needs to be properly regulated but it should not stop us from exploring every option to a) get more energy to bring costs down, and b) create jobs and drive economic growth. They are not mutually exclusive. We can have a good economy and have a clean environment at the same time.
MooreNorth 1 year, 3 months ago
SH59~ I think what Joe meant is we don't know enough yet. Many of us, including myself, have not made up their minds on this issue. Water, in Moore County, is of great importance to me. Water is our future. Energy and jobs are important as well. If it comes down to sacrifice of water, I'll be against. I'm not there yet. I do know the flame from the tap water thing was a problem, in that area, before fracking. I've heard "the sky is falling" from many of the same people in the past, so I can't criticize anyone for trying to learn more.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Joe, the fact that the gas companies want to change our environmental laws so they don't have to be responsible for their leeks and pollution is a serious concern. Why do we have to change our laws instead of holding them accountable to pay for their messes? It doesn't make sense. If they were made to be responsible then maybe they would be more careful and innovative in their practices, there's a lack of respect for the people and the water issues we are exposing ourselves to. These companies want to come here and do what they want without repercussions. If I intentionally poisoned a neighbor's well I would be arrested and put in jail. Why is it ok for a gas company to be able to do that?
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
MooreNorth, I'm not totally against gas drilling, I am against allowing these companies to come here to do business as usual when there is so much evidence out there that it doesn't work. North Carolina is a clean state right now and if we allow gas drilling we need to do it on our terms based on what has happened before. Contract that have been offered often have disclaimers in small print, landowners are made responsible to pay for pollution to neighbors wells, there are all kinds of slippery languages in them that need to be regulated to protect our people. We shouldn't have to change our laws that are designed to protect our citizens so they can come here and do what they want. These companies have enormous financial resources and have the ability to come up with a better way and I feel we need to be more demanding as to how they do their business here.
Arestorer 1 year, 3 months ago
We can live without Natural gas wells, but we cant live without water....This is also MY biggest concern, when it comes to the Fracking debate...We can create gasses from other sources, We cannot create more water!!
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
You're right Arestorer.
RD28327 1 year, 3 months ago
Sorry, fracking bunch of fraggers ...... Grrrrrrr ...... LOL
justmyopinion 1 year, 3 months ago
I see both sides. I'm concerned but I'm not foolishly running around claiming the sky is falling either.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
justmyopinion: No one is saying the sky is falling. Since we are in the unique position to learn from other states let's at least try to take some control over how these companies do business here.
justmyopinion 1 year, 3 months ago
SH59- I totally agree. There are lots of sites that have not experienced any problems so at least it can be done right.
While researching, one quote that stood out was and I will paprphrase, done correctly at the right place and right time, we still have to say drill maybe drill instead of drill baby drill. That was from an energy executive if I recall correctly so at least there is someone in the industry with some concern. I just don't won't to see airline travel shut down completely because of one plane crash...so to speak.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
justmyopinion, I totally agree with you but it isn't a matter of just one plane crash, there's an alarming amount of information out there from land owners who have personally experienced the results of "mistakes" that shouldn't be overlooked. I like that "drill maybe drill". The problem is letting the industry make the rules, it's time for North Carolina to scrutinize how this has been going on and demand higher standards that have been proven as other states are going through this.
handyssc2 1 year, 3 months ago
That 60 Minutes segment ran in Dec 2010. By April 2011, Chesapeake Energy, whose CEO was interviewed and who swore that the safety concerns were overblown, was socked with the largest EPA fine in Pennsylvania's history after there was a blowout/spill.
JoeGarrison 1 year, 3 months ago
Again let's wait and see what the study finds. Of course there are concerns, and those concerns should be brought up. I agree with MooreNorth in that our water is precious and if we cannot protect our groundwater from contamination then I too will be against fracking. I do think that the rhetoric needs to be toned down and factual study and analysis should be the basis of the discussion.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Joe, I do agree but there's no rhetoric that needs to be toned down here, it's an informative conversation and encouraging people to do the research and learn as good citizens should do.
JoeGarrison 1 year, 3 months ago
I meant in the media and elsewhere:) I'm enjoying our conversation
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Thanks Joe!
Arestorer 1 year, 3 months ago
I have a friend that has a pretty wild theory about our growing lack of availible water; His theory, seeing as water has a finite supply, He believes the shortage is setting on shelves in plastic bottles and in water towers and water lines around the country. Crazy, Right??
drefleury 1 year, 3 months ago
I sincerely hope the legislators reviewing this topic consider the proportion of their constituents who are for fracking, and the proportion against it. I rarely hear people fired up about fracking, but regularly hear people scared to death about damage to our water and natural beauty of the state. Boles et al should vote accordingly.
JER 1 year, 3 months ago
This has been one of the best discussions I've seen in a while, with AFCHIEF and lakeside being the exceptions. Having been born and raised in Pennsylvania, I have experienced, first hand, the destruction of the environment that can occur when the quest for energy and the associated fortunes go unregulated and unchecked. I have an alternate idea for reducing our energy costs: Use Less.
Nezumi 1 year, 3 months ago
I agree with JER, although my experience with unbridled development and exploitation of resources is from witnessing it in Asia. After living there for years I'm used to using bottled water for daily use, but I'd hate to see that become necessary in my own home town.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Arestorer: it's not a theory that our water is finite, that's true. The water you drink has been on this earth from the beginning and has traveled in the clouds, in the sea, up trees and through animals for thousands of years. Think about that next time you turn on your tap! Water is definitely re-distributed through the sale of bottled water but most people don't realize how much water is transported in our beef and chicken distribution around the world. Water is becoming more and more precious and we must be more aware of what we do with it in the future. We're so lucky here in the United States where water has some protection but in many countries people drink polluted water daily. We all have experienced summers of drought and it's only then do we really appreciate what we have.
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
Thanks JER, it is nice to have a good discussion here.
GJohn 1 year, 3 months ago
This has, indeed, been one of the best discussions ever seen in this forum. Thanks to SH59 and others who kept to the facts. Again: Citizens, keep your eyes on this issue. We cannot allow fracking to come to our county!
SH59 1 year, 3 months ago
I'm grateful that for once we aren't attacking each other for our politics. This is an issue that will effect all of us and we have opportunity to get some control over this industry at the beginning.
eflat7 1 year, 3 months ago
I have never heard one positive thing about fracking. I will admit that I don't know alot about it, but I hear alot about it lately. I've never heard one positive point from anyone that is near a fracking site.
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
We have family living in Pennsylvania who oppose drilling of anymore wells. The people and not the politicians have better insight, and control at the voter's booth. The drilling companies are decimating the landscape with abandoned wells and high volumes of traffic. I'm sure the committee will return with a positive spine on Fracking and GOP supporters will have all the information they need to commit North Carolinian's to years of devastated landscapes.
Perhaps some palm greasing or stock options will produce positive results. Trust candidates to do the right course of action for what ever benefits them....
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
"Fractured Bedrock aquifer: This aquifer is widely used for home water supply in the western coastal plain, Piedmont, and Blue Ridge Provinces. Usually six inch wells are drilled to intercept water bearing fractures which are more common in valleys or draws. Thick sequences of regolith (surficial aquifer) above fractured bedrock can improve yields to 200 gallons per minute or more. industries and county or municipal well fields look for these higher yielding bedrock wells. Wells typically yield 5-35 gallons per minute."
14 C GROUNDWATER AGE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF CHEMICAL FLUXES ACROSS AQUIFER BOUNDARIES IN CONFINED CRETACEOUS AQUIFERS OF NORTH CAROLINA, USA
http://www.ncwater.org/Education_and_Technical_Assistance/Ground_Water/AquiferCharacteristics/Kennedy&Genereux2007.pdf
Toda 1 year, 3 months ago
Yep GOP loyalists, this is exactly what we need in Moore County:
The blind political loyalists are being led by the blind to total destruction. How stupid can some people be since 60 minutes took months to verify their sources and conduct interviews. Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest Gump.