It's Past Time to Get Guns Under Control

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It was in June 1954, during the Army-McCarthy hearings, that attorney Joseph Welch confronted Sen. Joseph McCarthy with the famous line that many believe was the final blow to McCarthy's bullying, delusional anti-communist campaign:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

It may be that the gun control debate has reached a similar climactic point. How long can we tolerate increasingly frequent mass executions? At what point does a sense of decency, or perhaps rationality, overcome a residual national Wild West mentality? Will the NRA at last be relegated to the role of a latter-day Joe McCarthy?

It is time - it is, in fact, 30,000 deaths a year past time - to at least begin to get some control over our national fixation with firearms.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." We've all heard it. By that standard, nuclear weapons don't kill people either; still, I don't particularly want my neighbor to have one.

This is not a simple issue, but if the murder of 20 6- and 7-year-olds and teachers trying to protect them doesn't force a national debate, then we are very far down a road to civic chaos that the founders who wrote the troublesome Second Amendment could not have imagined.

The discussions surrounding that amendment are so tedious as to be meaningless by now. The amendment cites the need for a well-regulated militia to protect the security of a state as the basis for a right to bear arms.

The Supreme Court, in two decisions in 2008 and 2010, separated that right from any need for a militia, and allowed that reasonable restrictions on firearms were consistent with the Constitution.

It may be obvious, but that makes it no less relevant, that modern firearms were inconceivable in 1791 when the Second Amendment was adopted. At the time, a single-shot musket was the weapon of choice, whether for a militia, for shooting dinner, or, most likely, for both. If there was ever a case when the Constitution must be viewed through a modern lens, this is it.

Even the most left-leaning legislator in the country would not propose banning all firearms. Hunters can hunt, target shooters can shoot, a carefully managed pistol may be acceptable for self-defense; but assault weapons? They only appear to be suitable for mass murder.

Yes, yes, I know; there are millions of them out there now; criminals will get them no matter what we do; that horse is long out of the barn. It sounds a lot like nuclear proliferation.

So is the proper course just to ignore the whole thing until everybody is armed to the teeth; until Iran has nukes; or should we at least try to pull back from the brink and prevent crazy and evil people from having access to the means to kill?

It may well take decades to rationalize gun laws and achieve reasonable control over the sale and ownership of firearms. That is all the more reason to start now. We should all be very weary by now of school shootings and rampages in theaters and random killings in shopping malls. Those could be our children, our friends, ourselves.

Just as the Army-McCarthy hearings pulled the cover off Sen. McCarthy's ongoing witch hunt, the shootings in Newtown will hopefully prove a catalyst for a reasonable consideration of how and why we have come to this place, and how to move away from it.

I read just the other day that there is going to be a new television show on The Learning Channel, of all places. It is going to be called "The Best Funeral Ever." What would the founders think about that?

Fred Wolferman lives in Southern Pines. Contact him by e-mail at fwolferman@sbcglobal.net.

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ProudYankee 5 months ago

Fred, I don't always agree with you, but I don't know how anyone can not agree with what you have written here. It's long past time for this country to come to its senses.

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dustyrhoades 5 months ago

If there's anything good that comes out of this horrible event, it's that even some conservatives are beginning to consider having an actual debate on gun control rather than defaulting to the usual yowling about SECOND AMENDMENT ARM EVERYBODY GOVERNMENT TYRANNY HITLER HITLER HITLER AAAAAAAGH!

Of course, as demonstrated in other threads here, some aren't.

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OldPilot 5 months ago

The NRA has made it's position clear. An "...actual debate..." will do nothing more than let time pass, opinions will cool, more assault type weapons and high capacity magazines will flow into circulation, and nothing will change. This is the exact strategy the NRA has used every time we have a mass killing. PS: there was an armed security guard at Columbine, apolice officer, and a second officer arrived within seconds. 15 dead. So much for the NRA solution.

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theoldguy 5 months ago

Wow....a well written, intelligent discourse on what REALLY needs to be done and damn soon Thank you Sir

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The_AnonymusProfit 5 months ago

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."

-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.

-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

The point of having guns is to ensure our liberty. Now let me ask, how is it that if we ever were to attempt to overthrow our government, would we ever be able to unless we have access to weaponry that could allow us to beat our own army.

Im sorry but a 30 06 is no match for an M1 Abram

Gun control is one of the most heinous attempts by the government to absolve us of our liberties. The argument is irrational and illogical, has no basis in any fact, and preys on moments of emotional upheaval to achieve its final goal of an unwitting and unarmed citizenry.

Outrageous.

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FightFireWithFire 5 months ago

How about we just get idiots under control? Stop pampering criminals and making guilty people feel like they can walk out of prison only to commit crime again. I spend enough time downtown in SoPines to realize that there is an element of people in that area that exist because certain people in out society "feel sorry " for them and coddle them to death. These individuals have been taught from an early age that someone will always give them something, either because they are unwilling to work for it, or they learn that they can use fear to take it by force.
Let's stop talking about guns and start talking about people. Let's have a meaningful dialogue on what some idealists in the USA have done to destroy the sense of responsibility in some parts of society. Let's discuss how our schools, parents and the justice system are failing us every day.
It's about people, it always has been. Welcome to freedom and the American way. Don't like it? There are flights from RDU that go to Saudi Arabia via Canada. Go over there and complain. I dare ya.

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AFCHIEF 5 months ago

ENFORCE THE DAMN DEATH PENALTY. I bet if this Newtown shooter was not killed he'd get life in prison.

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fugitiveguy 5 months ago

"Even the most left-leaning legislator in the country would not propose banning all firearms"

Now thats a good one.

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fugitiveguy 5 months ago

"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

Thats a question I wanted to pose to liberals when they hijacked voter ID and turned it into a false racial issue.

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buddysmith 5 months ago

amazing how every time something like this happens, idiots vent their rage aginst the nra. the answers for our problems with psycho's committing mass murders will never come form the federal government. wonder how many murderers in the past would have walked into a school if they knew someone in the school was armed?

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samosamo 5 months ago

88.8 GUNS per 100 people in the U.S.A. Go on ya'll control that!

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scottish 5 months ago

no need to make idiots of NRA. The spokesman Wayne did that all by himself. A Joke of a gun owner! He should lose his certificate. He came over as totally deranged!

He was so bad, ill informed that I could have done a better job of his speech. I hate to think that he has guns..

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fugitiveguy 5 months ago

"He came over as totally deranged!"

Wait a minute, he's a liberal?!

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DannySteen 5 months ago

Expecting meaningful gun control debate from DC? Are you kidding? That pack of spoiled self centered brats in DC are of no use. The press is of even less help. It is the press is that spoiled the brats. Limits do need to be put on gun ownership. But not the total limitation some leftist call for or the free range that some far right would choose.

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Yukonjohn 5 months ago

Thanks for those quotes TAP. They show everyone what our founders had in mind in regards to gun ownership. I honestly believe that they felt it was an obligation and responsibility for citizens to not only be armed, but trained in the use of them. The exact reason that they saw this as a need was to, at worst case senario, overthrow their own govt. As you said, a 30-06 is a poor match for weaponery used by our military.

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skylinefirepest 5 months ago

OP you just keep coming up with stuff that I haven't heard about...a policeman on duty? And a second one within seconds?? The police did NOT make an entrance at Columbine for about half an hour, if I remember correctly. Columbine was responsible for changing the "active shooter" protocol for most of the departments in the country. Now, and not in the time period of Columbine, the police make an immediate entry.

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The_AnonymusProfit 5 months ago

Your welcome Yukon, the fact is that crazy people have been doing crazy things for a very long time. The only difference is the weapons have changed. But the idea of regulating guns in any fashion is an illogical argument at best. Some times catch phrases do infact speak truth. People kill people, if they cant use guns they will use bombs.

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OldPilot 5 months ago

'skylinefirepest": just because you haven't heard something doesn't make it false. Take off the blinders & earmuffs, do something for your memory. PS: the first one taken by a determined killer? The security guard. Better to prevent the killer from getting hands on the weapon in the first place than trying to prevent it after the fact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html

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scottish 5 months ago

look those old guys who feel unsafe and need their guns are just babes. South America and Central America you might need a gun, but here in North America? No, not for personal protection. Unless of course you have reason to be afraid? Someone hunting or haunting you? Feart from your own imaginations or shadows? Hunting - yes, target shooting, clay pigeon - yes. With a personal firearm certification for guns and ammo. Country pursuits, killing farm vermin - no problem. A gun in the hands of someone who is checked out and with medical records, gun records, ammo records; for the safety of the other unarmed citizens is fine by me. As a world wandering Brit I see no need for general gun ownership. Not a general free for all with every Joe and Jane with unregistered, uncertificated fire arms! I know you have checks in North Carolina - good thinking, it needs to be likewise all over USA. Not too onerous is it? Military "style" guns should be totally off limits to all but the military. The only people who profit from them are the gun makers. For hunting they are neither sporting nor useful.

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The_AnonymusProfit 5 months ago

Scottish before you post something, take the time to do some research, that way you wont make statements that are very badly informed, also, read the constitution, again for the same reason.

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Toda 5 months ago

The_AnonymusProfit 17 hours, 34 minutes ago +

TAP a good thread. The framers of our Constitution provided recourse for a tyrannical government. (we've already succeeded in 2012), therein is the concern of government - an armed population. The Constitution also allows for protection of property by force. Amendment II and IV.

There are avid shooting enthusiasts who enjoy the power generated by large caliber, large capacity and easy to own weapons that may fall outside of protection of one's home; With the exception of an attack by North Korea or China. My newest gift to myself is a 5 shot pump 12 gauge. Not too effective against an M1 Abrams ... but for anyone interested in testing protection of my property and family ... the result would be devastating.

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The_AnonymusProfit 5 months ago

Ty Toda,

My main concern on gun control has always been that there are ulterior motives to the bills. I am not at all opposed to a open and honest discussion on how to keep things like this from happening ever again. However before we can have that conversation we must first remove the hype.

The idea that an "assault weapon ban could have prevented this from happening is absurd. No one in America to my knowledge with the exception of a few who must undergo an extreme background check are allowed to own fully automated weapons. And while I must say I have an issue with this, I will never bring that into the conversation because that is a fringe issue.

Here is the thing, my "semi auto" 22 rifle can fire just as fast and do just as much damage close in as the bushmaster .223 AR-15. Yet I know of no one who is proposing banning .22 rifles. This is what I am talking about as far as the misconception.

The plain truth is that this tragedy along with all others around the world is not the result of bad gun laws, or bad bomb laws, or bad any laws. It is a result of the failure of society to evolve. The GOP has not evolved enough, and the Dems have evolved down the wrong path. Why is it, in today's world, when we can produce easily, enough food, clothing, and shelter, to feed, cloth and shelter every last person on this planet, is there still people who have no food, no clothing, and no shelter, the answer is simple.

Religion, Greed, Money, and Power. These 4 things are the driving reason of why people in this world still suffer.

Having said that I understand that the person who committed this crime was most likey mentally disturbed. And that is a whole other discussion.

Let me end by saying, Guns are the only real barrier between us and complete submission to a government who, for the most part may have good intentions, but falls prey in every situation, to the human condition.

”The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. … and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” ~St. George Tucker

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cooldaddy 5 months ago

Those of you, (including the writer), who make the guns the issue, and not the people, are just lazy. You don't want to solve the problem, you want to pass a feel good law that will NOT work. You know that if you have any sense at all. US history has proven it. Prohibition anyone???Drinking increased, Taxes decreased, and the burden on law enforcement was incredible...with no revenue to support them unless they sold copper.My aunt was killed by a drunk driver on I 95. There are more deaths (by far) from vehicles than from firearms. You take the cars off the road, (or the alcohol away...again) and then write you stupid letter on how banning guns is an answer. In 3rd world countries there have been mass slayings...with machetes. Is that more your flavor? How about the boxcutters that killed 3000 on 911? Those weapons ok? Fertilizer (not your letter) but the livestock mixture and fuel oil that was used in Oklamoma City? Like that? They are all illegal to use to harm people. Enforce the laws we have now. Start giving REAL sentances for those who commit a crime with a weapon. Treat the mental illness. Do the reporting and bacground checks. Make the gunowners responsible for securing their weapons. Make training manditory for the firearm purchased...there is a lot that can be done without being so lazy as to believe a ban will work.

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Yukonjohn 5 months ago

scottish, That is why you are a "world traveling brit" and not an American. We look at things differently than you do. No issues with you or anything, but we freedom loving Americans think differently than our British cousins. One of the reasons I no longer live in NC is that here in Alaska, we are free, just like America used to be. We have gun ownership without permits, no concealled carry permits, (one can just carry if they are not felons) and we can protect life AND property with deadly force. It is RARELY used, but we are protected by law when/if we do use it. We need to have the "good guys" carrying guns to protect the good guys that will not carry. The bad guys will always have their weapons, guaranteed. We need guns. We need all kinds of guns. As TAP so astutely said, in the post above, when you lose the rights of gun ownership, liberty is lost or soon will be. I believe if you lose gun rights you will have already lost your liberty.

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skylinefirepest 5 months ago

Liberty for the Brittish has already been lost. You can't even defend yourself, in your own home, from a criminal, with a knife, for Pete's sake. Defend yourself and YOU go to jail. Incredible!

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