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Fuss is being made about how much Mitt Romney pays in taxes.
Romney has not had control of his finances since the day he started his political career. It is in a blind trust, and he lives off what his money now makes for him.
Yes, he only pays 14 percent in taxes. It is called a capital gains tax, placed on the interest of the money that he had already paid taxes on.
Romney paid the same taxes as everyone else on his original profits and probably more.
There is a big thing saying he pays 14 percent while our schoolteachers pay 20 percent.
Well, he paid almost 40 percent on his original profits. Would any of you like to pay that, even for “free” Obamacare?
Guess what, a lot more wealthy Americans pay it than we do as low to middle class. Why should the rich pay more in taxes than every one else? Should they feel a need to take care of people who have not learned to care for themselves?
They do not use any more of the things that taxes are supposed to go for, like transportation and other public services.
If we only paid taxes on what we used, they of course would pay less. They do not need “free” services like Obamacare. They do, however, pay more in sales and property tax than most of us will ever be able to afford.
So ask yourself this when you are wishing you would win the lottery and become a millionaire.
After you have paid all the taxes owed on it, would you want someone you did not know standing there holding out their hand saying you owed them just a little bit more, because someone you had never met could not support or take care of themselves?
William Tripp
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alladat1 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Never mind.
oceangypsy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Good explanation, Mr. Tripp. Upcoming comments promise to be downright entertaining...
clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Romney paid the same taxes as everyone else on his original profits and probably more."
Pure BS - I paid ~ a 35% rate while ......
"Q: What’s the effective rate you’ve been paying?
ROMNEY: What’s the effective rate I’ve been paying? It’s probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything, because my last ten years, I’ve, my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past, rather than ordinary income, rather than earned annual income."
"As Center for American Progress Director of Fiscal Reform Seth Hanlon has explained, the latest data shows that “many middle-class families paid much more [in taxes] than the 17.5 percent average paid by the very rich.” "
Don't you just feel so sorry for those poor (smiles) rich people!
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Let me entertain you.... Maybe the problem is this: Back in the "good old days", almost everyone was "poor". It was only the very select few who had wealth. A few worked hard to create it, a few inherited it, some obtained it illegally. But the facts were that most people did not have a lot of money and a few people had a lot. Today, a lot more people have a lot of money or at least have a portfolio that SAYS they have a lot of money. Our standard of living has increased dramatically just in my lifetime. The reason: Investments in the stock market. Instead of just working for our money, someone determined that we needed to have our money work for us. We became stock holders and investors. New companies sprang up providing improvements on the products we already had. New companies sprang up to provide products we didn't already have. Some companies sprang up to just provide products, whether we needed them or not. Lots of companies sprang up to help you invest your money. Soon, making money was more important than making products. It didn't matter who made the product or where it was made, so long as the rate of return to the investor/stockholder was going up. Today we have people who cannot find work because of the decisions made by the investor/stockholder. Some say they are just lazy and, I'll admit, some are. But there are a great number who need help that a job at the fast food place ain't going to solve. Until we come up with a flat tax rate that requires every single wage earner to pay the same percentage in taxes, regardless of the source of the income, we are going to have to rely on those with the money to pay the taxes.
David_at_Engage_America 8 months, 3 weeks ago
The fact is that on average high-income earners do pay a higher percent of their income in taxes than their secretaries. Estimates from the Tax Policy Center show that those who make more than $1 million do pay a 29% tax rate. http://bit.ly/yyLJDp However, the tax code definitely helps pick winners and losers. The only way to improve tax fairness is to rebuild the tax code from scratch using a plan like Bowles-Simpson that leaves no sacred cows untouched. Shared sacrifice is the only way we will be able to simplify the tax code, improve fairness, and spur economic growth. http://bit.ly/noTDPF
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
If I understand it, there's a certain percentage (a large one) of the population who pay no taxes. Essentially, they can't afford to. So why would this non tax bracket all of a sudden be able to give up something for a flat tax? Flat tax sounds fine compared to the unequal and unfair system that currently exists, but why not move to some form of taxation that taxes us one what we buy, and not what we earn? Seems the most equitable way to tax and probably the most non-partial. Taxation on income seems so confiscatory and punitive. Any day down at Wal-Mart... quite a potential tax base.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Mr. Cutler, taxing what we purchase is such a good idea. So good, in fact, that we've been doing it for years. Are you proposing we do away with income tax and just raise the tax on purchases to generate the revenue needed to run the federal, state and local governments? I would favor your suggestion if it had no exceptions. How do you collect taxes on purchases made off shore by US citizens? How do you collect taxes when I sell my old lawn mower to my neighbor? How do you collect taxes on the raffle ticket being sold by the church to raise money for the new pews? How do you collect taxes on the money I pay the neighbor kid to mow my grass? Like I said, I'm in favor if there are no exceptions, no loopholes, no "special circumstances". And you know there will be. And you know that we'll be right back in the same mess because of them.
skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago
I guess the problem is that I have never begrudged the "rich" their money. They worked for it, inherited it, stole it, whatever...but I and you have the same opportunity in America to become as wealthy as you wish. I'm sick and damn tired of the Democrats ignoring millionaire Barry and Michelle and honkin' about Romney and how he spends the money he earned!! Get over it!
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
How it works, exactly, I'm not sure. There are a lot of ideas out there, all, I think, better than any form of income tax. We proceed from different premises. I don't believe the federal government needs, or deserves 1/2 what we currently pay them. You do. Your government can never be too big. And your government will never feel they have enough.
Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Interesting comments here. I personally support the Fair Tax: http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=HowFairTaxWorks. For those who may be interested, give the link a read. Private sector growth would skyrocket. Cheers!
Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Romney/Ryan have good ideas about tax reform, and both were perfect at the convention. They have now energized the base, which is why I believe they will take the lead in the Electrical College. Cheers!
Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago
(Let's see if the liberals here get the joke.)
clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago
" wdd101- Hey clown, don't you read what you post.."
Hey MORON wdd101 - BOTTOM line - - the MAJORITY of his income is taxed at a much LOWER rate!
clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago
" Thatcher -Romney/Ryan have good ideas about tax reform, and both were perfect at the convention. "
smiles............... I must have been watching another convention ..........
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Well, he paid almost 40 percent on his original profits."
What is FairTax.org? Here's you answer
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"New Capital Gains Tax Rate Effective for Tax Years Beginning on or after January 1, 2003. The Act provides that the capital gains tax rate increase to 5.3%, generally applicable to long-term capital gains (with holding periods exceeding one year), will be effective for tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2003.
Here's your link: LINK TO MASS TAXES
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Yes, he only pays 14 percent in taxes. It is called a capital gains tax, placed on the interest of the money that he had already paid taxes on."
skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey Tommy, Did Romney complain about how you spend whatever you make?? If not, then why the devil are you complaining about how he spends HIS money???? It is HIS, get it? And the current administration would like to put more people on welfare while stealing from those who produce wealth in this great country and while spending the country into oblivion!! And why would it matter a whit if he has money in offshore accounts??? Republicans and Democrats alike have allowed that to happen and if I had enough money then by golly I'd put some money offshore too. Makes GOOD SENSE to me!! By the way, I expect that the care and upkeep on his wife's horse probably provide more jobs and income for different people than you've ever produced!
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
It has always puzzled me why liberals think its greedy for people to want to keep more of what they earn while they celebrate and defend those who live off anothers labor. Its just one of about a half dozen tenents of liberalism that make absolutely no sense.
concerned 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Fair Tax Pt 1 by AspiringVideographer
Fair Tax Pt 2 by AspiringVideographer
Fair Tax Pt 3 by AspiringVideographer
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
wd101st (6hrs, 39 mins ago): Your description of how taxing purchases would work really doesn't tax all purchases. The neighbor who bought my lawnmower isn't paying a tax on his purchase but you have me paying a tax on what I purchase using the money he paid me. The people purchasing rafle tickets are not paying a tax on their transaction, but the church is paying the tax on their purchase of the pews. I am not paying a tax on my purchase of lawn care from the local kid, but he is paying a tax on what he buys with the money I paid him. Taxing purchases would have the effect of having the same dollar taxed over and over again each time it's used to purchase something. Taxing income one time at the time it's earned sounds like a better plan to me and a lot easier to administer.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
geoffcutler states: "I don't believe the Federal Government needs, or deserves 1/2 of what we currently pay them. You do. (referring to me, I guess) Your government can never be too big. And your government will never feel they have enough."
Geoff, My belief is that our government should have enough money to perform all the functions a government is supposed to provide. I have no way of knowing, nor do you, how much money it takes to accomplish the job. Is there waste and mismanagement in our current governmental system? Yes. Is the waste and mismanagement unique to the current administration? No. Could the waste and mismanagement be identified and corrected by having both parties work together in a spirit of cooperation and compromise? Yes. Will that ever happen in the future? No. I want my government to have enough money to provide for ALL of its citizens needs, not just the ones with the biggest lobbying effort. If that means we all pay higher tax rates, then that's what we should do.
clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago
" fugitiveguy - It has always puzzled me why liberals think its greedy for people to want to keep more of what they earn while they celebrate and defend those who live off anothers labor."
Another DUMB post by the uber biased clown. Says anything that comes out of the tangled abyss!
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Yeah, like I said, you don't care how big government gets. I do. The only area where it needs to be as big as whatever that need requires, is the military, for our protection and defense. The rest...you think the department of education needs more money, more employees because of the good job they're doing with our kids education? Just keep feeding failure with our tax dollars? I think that's just plain stupid.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"I want my government to have enough money to provide for ALL of its citizens needs"
Its this thought process that causes me to feel this country is screwed. Time to divide up, lib/dem states and conservative/repub states. I would be willing to relocate if neccessary. Democrats/liberals for the most part show no interest in cutting waste/fraud/spending. In fact, they will demagogue in the most heinous fashion anyone on the right who proposes action in this direction. Moochers keep libs in power. Look no further than the President. 5T in new debt in less than 4 years, unprecedented (with 1 less war). >1T annual deficits projected for the next several years.
bufordsplay 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Here is the thing you Liberal Jackasses don't get. As long as someone is not breaking existing tax law, it's none of you damn business what Romney or anyone else does with THEIR money. IT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU!!!! It is none of your business what someone EARNS in income!!
Mark106 8 months, 3 weeks ago
The amount of taxes is not the problem, it is the amount of handouts!
bufordsplay 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Liberals are always calling CEOs greedy but if I offered them a job for 5 million dollars to pick up pinecones in my yard would they turn it down? Most would take it which makes them hypocrites. If they turned it down then they would be idiots. Which is it Libs?
bufordsplay 8 months, 3 weeks ago
WE DON'T NEED MORE TAXES...WE NEED MORE TAX PAYERS!!
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
The thing is, it was never intended that the federal government become this bloated jelly doughnut-eating nanny. The states were to take care of the limited needs of the people, and to put this fat nanny on a diet, that's exactly where most of our money should go. The fatter the nanny gets, the less well she takes care of her kids. And that's just the truth.
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
SFP ~ sarcasm overlooked due to being uninformed.
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
skylinefirepest 12 hours, 15 minutes ago => Why not give the wealthy a free tax ride and increase the tax rate for the rest of us ... A horse for a tax deduction shows how many tax loopholes are built into the 72 thousand pages of the US Tax Code.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
I notice the left always wants to talk tax rates, their argument would fall apart if actual taxes paid were the comparison. If not at least a little perspective would be gained. Perhaps we could have a little graphic with piles of cash side by side representing actual amounts paid by whom. Of course for far too many their stack would have to go below the baseline as they pay no income tax or in fact get back more than they paid in. More smoke and mirrors by the left and pseudo conservatives.
justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Maybe a deal for release of documents. Romney releases his tax returns and obama releases everything about Fast and Furious. We have had plenty of conjecture here about what romney is hiding, why not the same conjecture of what obama is hiding?
nothingspecial 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Very good bi-partisan column in the WSJ yesterday that explains what Geoff is talking about, about half of the money going to the government and a wake up call for all our elected officials.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444914904577619671931313542.html
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
It would also be interesting to see over time what amount (or percentage) of income each has given to charity. I think its far more telling of ones character for obvious reasons. I think it would be stark in comparison. Might help illustrate who the real hypocrites are.
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Based on what I saw the other night, the Romneys are said to be very charitable with their hard-earned money and time. I'd bet you'd see quite a figure on that line of his return. Wonder how charitable the Obamas are?
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
bufordsplay, we would have more taxpayers if the jobs had not been sent offshore to satisfy the need of the wealthy for even greater wealth. People serving sandwiches are not going to make enough money to pay taxes under the current tax system. Of course, this is only my opinion. I'm sure you have one that differs from mine.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Geoff, you are wrong. I care how big government gets. But your solution to move most responsibility to the states does not solve the problem, it only moves it around. And having the states be responsible for "the limited needs of the people" will result in a wide range of inequality for those citizens. The military budget is the first thing that needs to be addressed, not the last thing. Your own party never even mentioned war during their convention so, can we assume, it is no longer priority #1?
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"bufordsplay, we would have more taxpayers if the jobs had not been sent offshore to satisfy the need of the wealthy for even greater wealth."
How long would a company stay in business if it had to compete with foreign companies who pay their employees far less and are allowed to sell their product in the same market as a US company who pays their employees twice or three times as much? The truth is that those companies would have folded and all those employees would be out of work anyway. To the left its always about evil rich people or racism or Fox News. They seem uninterested in identifying and addressing the root cause of our economic malaise.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"And having the states be responsible for "the limited needs of the people" will result in a wide range of inequality for those citizens."
Not buying the above. In this country we have to a large extent equal opportunity. Far too many confuse this with equal results which is foolish. It most often boils down to the amount of energy and time the INDIVIDUAL wants to expend. I will admit it is getting harder and harder to make it in this country and the federal government (led by BHO) is only making it worse.
Nezumi 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Jim, actually Rand Paul mentioned controlling defense spending, to mixed applause. To the best of my knowledge he was the only one, however.
skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda, once again you're beating a dead horse. Romney released what he was required to release and neither you nor I would have realeased anything else to allow his enemies to go on a fishing expedition, now would we?? Answer honestly....you know darn well you wouldn't. Romney has produced jobs in this country, something that Obama knows nothing about. Romney has paid more in taxes than Obama and most of his cabinet of crooks and tax cheats. Romney will lead the country back into the status that it deserves...something that Obama has failed to do and doesn't know how to do. Are you aware that Obama has spent a vast amount of money to hide his records? Why don't you start with him, since he's already in office!!
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
fugitiveguy, please enlighten us. In your opinion, what is the root cause of our economic malaise?
MikeNC 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Obama, Jim ! Diane
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
fugitiveguy, if this is called "The United States of America", why are there different laws in different states? Why is it legal to do something in one state, yet have that same thing be illegal in another? If you want to shrink government, the first place I would look is state governments. We have 50 different state governments all doing the same thing. It's not that I think state governments need to be eliminated, I just think that they should only focus on the very unique differences that may exist in each state. An example, Florida need not consider laws governing mountain climbing. My belief is that the federal government should be responsible for administering the "laws of the land" and the state and local governments handle the unique situations that occur as a result of their location in the country. A recent example of the states doing what the federal government should be doing involves the voter ID question. Allowing the states to each establish their own criteria for deciding who can vote is idiotic. Everyone in this country should have to abide by the exact same set of standards to qualify to vote. Transferring responsibility to the states so that you can say that you have shrunk the federal government is asininely stupid and results in an unequal application of services to the public. Greatly reducing state governments, ridding federal government of waste and corruption, reducing the military budget and having each persons vote count (as opposed to only the votes in the "key battleground states" counting because of our antiquated system of electing presidents) and we might save the nation from completly imploding.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
So Diane, everything was going great until 2009?
oceangypsy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
The Romneys made a total of $7 million in charitable contributions from 2010 to 2011. $4.1 million of that went to his church.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"If you want to shrink government, the first place I would look is state governments."
I guess you and Obama have that in common, the desire for an all powerful, total control federal government. No thanks!
Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago
JimRussell44-- How do you think your idea of shrinking state governments, and having the feds be in charge of administering "the laws of the land," squares with the Tenth Amendment? Give it some thought. Cheers!
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Romney has produced jobs said skylinefirepest ....
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
SLFP => Wow what a bold statement ... "Obama and most of his cabinet of crooks and tax cheats."
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Thatcher and wdd101st, The Constitution of the US contains 27 amendments, the last one was enacted in 1972. What that means is the Constitution can be adjusted to meet the needs of the citizens. Do you agree or disagree? Do you agree that we have 50 state legislatures meeting year after year, reinventing the wheel? Do you want a more streamlined and efficient government? Should every citizen of the US should be treated equally, regardless of where in the US they live? I would appreciate a yes or no reply to these questions and then, if you like, follow up with your "but" comments.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Evidently, MikeNC (Diane) is researching how things were prior to 2009 and hoping the comments get cut off shortly so she doesn't have to reply. Of course fugitiveguy, who brought up the subject of " the root cause of our economic malaise" has also never given his opinion on its cause.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
" To the left its always about evil rich people or racism or Fox News. They seem uninterested in identifying and addressing the root cause of our economic malaise. "
"Of course fugitiveguy, who brought up the subject of " the root cause of our economic malaise" has also never given his opinion on its cause. "
You see Jim, I do not claim to have all the answers. My post above to which you refer simply states that the lefts favorite boogie men aren't the culprits and points out the foolishness of the lefts obsession with them.
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Jim, since you asked...balance the budget, serious reduction of the national debt, make US most tax friendly place to do business, federal income tax:flat or fair tax, abolish or gut the IRS, repeal Obamacare just off the top of my head.
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Do you want a more streamlined and efficient government?" JimRussell44
Jim, you really do need a refresher course in U.S. History. Is a streamlined and efficient government what you think our federal government is? Sort of a one size fits all kind of thing? Get us all goose-stepping in line to 2,500 page health care laws no-one in congress has read on account of we got to pass the thing first so we know what's in it? Or, how about that IRS and the tax code? So simple no normal human can understand it? And the DOE? Now there's efficiency! Kids graduating high school who still can't read.
The states were meant to deal with all this stuff, and if they went about their operations differently... So be it! That was the point, they needed to be able to fix their own unique problems if they wanted. Reformist Republican governors like Scott Brown, Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie are repairing their states, balancing budgets, fixing their schools, putting people back to work. Jerry Brown, the fossil liberal in California? Well, take a look!
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
This country may well be on the brink of financial calamity due to our national debt. It is the fault of this administration and previous administrations which is irrelevant. What is important now is to fix the problem. To deny the problem or demagogue those who are proposing good faith efforts to reverse is to prove ones self to be a partisan fool. Its way past time to put the country first and political affiliations on the back burner. An old cliche is in order here:time to lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago
OBAMANATION in high school
SHOCK VIDEO early Obama Campaign Speech for class president of Punahou School (1978) by WeAreTheSavageNation
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Chief can you get anything right? Shock Video is from Welcome Back Kotter in 1972-1979. The Republicans will say or do anything to get Mitt in the White House. Only country in the World where average citizens can lie about a sitting president and get away with it.
justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Can't get anything past ole toda! (tears in my eyes I'm laughing so hard!)
Nezumi 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Geoff, actually ED is education, DOE is energy. But I agree with you about the state of our education - are we 27 or so in OECD in math and science?
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
You're right, Thanks!
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
ED is what happened in 2008. "Electile dysfunction"
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Geoff, When I asked : "Do you want a more streamlined and efficient government?", that is a QUESTION!!! It is NOT what I think we have today. Now that you have a more clear understanding of what I said, perhaps you would care to answer the questions I posed to Thatcher and wdd101st, since they don't seem to be responding. Your belief that health care, tax policy and education all belong in the realm of state governments rather than on a national level would most certainly "reduce" the size of federal government. But have you given any thought about what would happen if there were not federal guidelines for each of these things? Take education for example. Under the system you favor, Texas could decide that football is the best teaching tool for the school age students and eliminate classrooms altogether. Kentucky could decide that only teaching students the art of snake handling is important, since handling snakes is the sure path to heaven and getting to heaven is really what we are all here for. Or take health care: Wisconsin could decide that only the wealthy should be given health care because they are the job creators and we need to have them stay healthy. Poor or unemployed are a drain on the economy and the sooner they die, the better. I hope you realize that I am using gross exaggerations to get your attention to my point, which is that unless we have certain universal systems, administered at the federal level, the citizens of this country will all not be treated equally. Now if your point is that we should have 50 individual countries, we can discuss that scenario as well.
RandomThought 8 months, 3 weeks ago
We are the richest country in the world. It is unconscionable that children are hungry, people are sleeping in cars and under bridges, so many have to use emergency room for medical care, veterals come home and are forgotten, clssrooms are overcrowed, and I could go on and on. It appears that NO ONE with ability is paying their share. It is unchristian to allow these conditions to exist. To paraphrase a little, Jesus said, What you do to the least of these, you do in to me. He also sail To whom nuch is given, much is required. He told us to "feed the poor". Chnces are, if you have worked hard, and beem blessed with financial success, God is watching to see how you. use the riches he gave you. I suspect God didn't give anyone riches to buy a lot od luxery items, or build a large estate to leave behind.
geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Jim, why do we need federal guidelines? What makes you think the federal government knows better what's good for Kentuckians than the people and government of Kentucky? Why do you put so much faith in Washington when anyone can see, they are failing the people in an abysmal way? I understand you are exaggerating to make your points, but your points show a singular distrust of "the people" to know what's best for them in favor of centralized planning at the hands of a ruling elitists.
Jim, this isn't just me saying this, it's the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, our founders.
AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Toda, I hear the Sheriff is on his way back to your house
AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago
TODA, the only people who are LYING is the mainstream media from ABC, MNBC, CBS and CNN who FAIL to tell the truth about Obama and is FAILING policys
The mainstream media only wants to allow Obama to change the subject away from the ecomony, the debt and his failed leadership skills
fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Do you want a more streamlined and efficient government?",
With the creative liberties liberals have used with other words such as "progressive" and "invest" forgive me if I am a little nervous about what "streamlined and efficicient" might mean to the left. It appears at times we are working off 2 very different dictionaries.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Geoff, the members in Congress come from all states in the country, sent there by the votes of the citizens.So yes, I do think that a representative group of elected officials from throughout the country DO have a better feel for what is best for ALL citizens of the country. The local state government can still handle the items unique to the citizens of the individual states. This means I do have trust in the people, both in selecting their local and national representatives. The Constitution can be amended whenever we want to have it reflect 21st century issues. The founding fathers were people like ourselves. They were not infallible and they certainly were not clairvoyant.
I note that you have ignored my request to answer the questions posed earlier, as have Thatcher and wdd101st.
Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago
JimRussell44-- I was not aware you asked me a question. Can you let me know where it was asked (so I don't have to read this entire thread)? I'll be happy to answer any question you have of me. Cheers!
justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago
JimR has completely lost his mind! Nothing else to say. Supports obama but wants a streamlined and efficient government. He trusts that Congress knows whats best for all the people?!? If that is true they sure haven't spent much time DOING what's best for people.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
justpassingby2, let us review: You want the country to operate under the US Constitution yet you think that the system to run the country, as outlined by the constitution, is bogus. You want smaller government but you criticize someone who has offered an idea on how to have smaller government. Someone may have lost their mind, but I don't think it was me. Congress recently has not done "what's best for people" (they used to, back when compromise was not a dirty word) but the Obama administration has done things (health care reform, saving the auto and banking industries, stimulus efforts) that are "best for people". Unfortunately, because they were done by the man you love to hate, no credit is given.
JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Thatcher, my questions go back a while. See your post to me (1 day, 8 hours ago) and my post to you and wdd101st (1 day, 1 hour ago).
justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Obamacare is best for the insurance companies and MOST Americans will pay more for the same level coverage. The auto and banking industry that moved how many jobs out of the country? And the stimulus efforts? Solyndra was for the people? And bailing out is not the same as fixing problems. The banking industry is almost exactly as it was pre-bailout. Has obama done ANYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE? I stick by my original statement and will use your latest response exhibit A!
Toda 8 months, 3 weeks ago
"AFCHIEF 18 hours, 24 minutes ago Toda, I hear the Sheriff is on his way back to your house"
"AFCHIEF 18 hours, 3 minutes ago"