Time to Hit the Road

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"Maybe we can make him even richer". This guy from West End is still talking about President Obama, right? Pot, I would like to introduce you to kettle. Kettle, this is pot. The irony of my using this saying, minus the relevant word, is not lost on me.

Yukonjohn 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Does anyone really believe that there is ONE OUNCE of difference between President Obama and Mitt Romney??? If you do, l am afraid that you will be sorely disappointed if Mitt should somehow win. They are cookies made with the same cutter. Good Luck America!!

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Yukon...if your criteria of sameness is that neither Obama nor Romney are Ron Paul, then I suppose they might be described as similar in that they are both males. After that, there is nothing even remotely similar about the two men or their politics. Silly statement. Paul didn't win the nomination. Time to move on and consider supporting Romney. Otherwise, Good Luck America!

The_AnonymusProfit 8 months, 3 weeks ago

lol @ boscoe50.

@geoff good point.

Different? yes they are extreamly different.

dustyrhoades 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I was just wondering if the Pilot does a direct deposit into DumptyRhoades account and how I could get on that payroll.

The wingnut obsession with me continues as Bozo brings me up in a thread that doesn't have anything to do with me or anything I've written.

Rule one for getting on the payroll is for you not to be an anonymous cowardly troll.

DaveyNC 8 months, 3 weeks ago

8.3% and trending up. http://goo.gl/2nOAm

That is the only number that matters in this election.

Given the approaching fiscal cliff, expect this number to skyrocket as the normal end of year layoffs are moved forward and increased in preparation for the Thelma & Louise moment.

What a mess.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

" boscoe50 - I was just wondering if the Pilot does a direct deposit into DumptyRhoades account and how I could get on that payroll."

boscoe sounds very much like "vass_guy" but even dumber!

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

btw dusty - if I were you I would not bend down near boscoe........... just sayin

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I think more liberals on these threads should make gay jokes. It helps define who they really are. Cheers!

Bentpan 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Mr Barnes Liberal hate facts, they tend to run counter to their altered sense of reality ( substitute for that they are mind numbingly STUPID )

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

" Thatcher - I think more liberals on these threads should make gay jokes. It helps define who they really are. Cheers!"

Now now T............. I was just highlighting the fact that boscoe does indeed have a penchant for following DR around. even you have to admit that.

besides - you implied a gay reference to bending over...........not me

Cheers :)

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Of course you were clarabelle.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"8.3% and trending up. http://goo.gl/2nOAm"

"That is the only number that matters in this election."

One other to add to that list, 16T national debt, up 5T since Obama ascended

citizen 8 months, 3 weeks ago

5 trillion is actually 5000 billions NOT 5 million billions as the writer suggests. Still, it is an amount that is hard to comprehend.

LSM 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Let’s not forget General Motors when talking about the deficit. Be sure to read the facts at the bottom of the article, especially the one where amount U.S. would lose if it sold all GM stock today is $15.6 Billion

“GM shuns political poster child role, bans candidate visits until after Election Day.”

http://www.freep.com/article/20120826/BUSINESS0101/308260110/GM-shuns-political-poster-child-role-bans-candidate-visits-until-after-Election-Day?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

geoffcutler, I don't pretend to speak for Youkonjohn, but my take on his post is that it will make absolutly no difference to this country who gets elected President. President Obama will be no more successful in his second term than he was in his first term if Congress remains as it is now. Romney will accomplish none of his campaign promises if Congress remains as it is. Because we have lost the word "compromise" from our vocabulary, the only way any progress will be made is if the party who wins the Presidency also wins control of both the House and Senate. The "progress" that will be made under these conditions, however, might not be the blessing we think it will be. One party ramming all their programs and agendas down the throats of their opponents will cause half the people to be happy and the other half to be extremely upset. So we have a "no win" situation for the country, regardless of who wins the elections. And one last parting shot, Geoff: If you want to be considered a "reasonable" man, refrain from calling another mans opinions "silly". He expressed his opinion, honor it!!

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Mr. Russell. Thanks for your civil reply to my comment. But the statement remains a silly one, and there's nothing unreasonable about it. If Obama wins a second term, he will feel that he has a mandate to continue his policies of taxing, spending, fortifying Obamacare, and further regulating conventional methods of energy in favor of alternatives. Romney will pretty much do the exact opposite. Therefore, they are politically opposite.

What a bickering Congress does has little to do with who these two men are politically. And by the way, what you call gridlock, I consider to be the checks and balances of our two party system. The tug of war is healthy because it isn't supposed to be easy to pass new laws. As a Conservative, I would like the federal government to shrink by 1/2. The more they do, the greater our debt, and most of what they do, they don't do well. Reagan knew this.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"geoffcutler - Reagan knew this"

Your hero reagan:

"tripled the national debt. He ran chronic budget deficits for 8 solid years. He increased spending by 25% in 8 years. He ballooned the size of government-- heck he created the Dept. of Veterans Affairs which is a ginormous expansion of government.

The public workforce grew under Reagan. He didn't shrink anything. And get this, instead of privatizing Social Security like he pledged to do in every speech he ever gave, he gave it a $165 billion bailout. He raised taxes numerous times. He compromised with our bitter enemies, the Soviets, instead of engaging them. He sold Iran arms for hostages and he aided and funded both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein."

Yes - right wingers hero.............. LOL

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House f Representatives

In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994.

Does the name Tip O'Neill ring any bells for you?

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Too funny - geoffies hero reagan SUCKS as president and he blames the dems......

typical right conservative.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

" geoffcutler - For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House f Representatives"

btw - the above is essentially the same scenario obama faces...........

skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

For those who seem to be hung up on what Romney did with HIS MONEY let me remind you that it is totally legal to protect your money in offshore accounts...compliments of both Republican and Democratis administrations. And Clarabelle, the country absolutely prospered under Reagan as well as having been greatly respected around the world.

fatboy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Geoff, you should know by now that trying to reason with libs is like trying to stuff a marshmallow into a piggy bank.

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Geoff, I agree, the two candidates are 180 degrees polar opposites. That is not in question. What is in question is will having one elected instead of the other MAKE A DIFFERENCE for the country. My opinion is that it will not, for the reasons outlined in my earlier post. I also agree that government needs a system of checks and balances. We had such a system in Congress at one time but not any longer. The ability to compromise is what makes the checks and balances system work but that has been taken off the table. I stand by my conclusion that the country is in a no win situation.

I would be interested in hearing your response to clarabelle's post of an hour and five minutes ago that addresses her questions rather than shifts blame. Do you agree or disagree with her statements about the Reagen tenure?

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

skyline - I am just presenting the FACTS................

perhaps you need to take off your "conservative" glasses and really look!

and......... if it were obama that had offshore tax shelters - i am CERTAIN - you would be screaming the loudest............. and I think you know that. cheers

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

skylinefirepest, I agree, Romney has every right to legally do whatever he wants with his money. He just doesn't want the general public, or as Ann refers to us, "you people", to know what that is for fear of creating a bad looking "image" with the voting public he needs in order to win an election.

On a side note, too bad there were no CC permit holders in front of the Empire State Building the other day. All the people who were shot were hit by the NYPD. Had the well trained CC permit holders been there, the carnage could have been eliminated, right?

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

For answers to Clarabelle's questions, see An American Life, by RR. Pages 309 to top 325.

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

And Mr. Russell, if Yukon's point was that the men are the same, and I presumed he was referring to Paul as somehow different, then I guess my next question would be...how would Paul be able to break the gridlock that these two men could not? Seems like a moot point when one considers Mr. Paul couldn't even get close to winning the nomination. Seems important, therefore, to get behind either the president or Romney now.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"For answers to Clarabelle's questions, see An American Life, by RR. Pages 309 to top 325."

cmon geoff - there are no answers - as he was a mediocre president at BEST!

You don't even try to dispute the facts because even you know how futile that is. facts are facts :)

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Read the section, first, before you say that. You may be surprised by what he says about the issues you raise, and his honesty.

I make it a point not to argue against things that aren't true. Guess I'm a little crazy that way.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"I make it a point not to argue against things that aren't true"

So the facts I presented aren't true?

You are rarely reluctant to post any of your "opinions" - and when presented with FACTS - the best you can do is post a trite remark about being "silly".

well - I do agree about the "silly" part.

btw - I never said he wasn't honest - just not very effective!

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

The answers to a lot of the questions you raise are answered in this segment of his autobiography. What's interesting to me is his humility in discussing his shortsightedness regarding how long it would take to turn the economy around.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I liked reagan exactly because of his humility and an ability to say what he was actually thinking rather than a tempered/filter version.

while i think obama hasn't done a spectacular job - romney will say anything to get a vote. he has changed his mind on nearly every major issue the past 10 years. there is certainly something to be said for being malleable - but you really don't know where he actually stands.

and.........while you won't admit it - i know you feel the same way - and will vote for him simply because he isn't obama.

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I'll grant you that Romney's message and campaign remain a tad....how to put it...murky for my tastes. And you are absolutely correct that I would vote for any candidate other than Obama. That's how damaging I think he and his (politics) are and have been for America. I still hope you'll read the section.

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Geez clarabelle, I thought we democrats agreed that the bush tax hikes for the rich were a good thing. We were just joshing the bush administration about human rights. Like we really care what goes on at GITMO. And having our boys overseas fighting wars is so much better than adding them to the unemployment lines. And the lies and secrets that the bush admin. used regularly just about drove us democrats crazy. Now we understand the importance of hiding things like Fast and Furious, Solyndra, obamacare, well you get the picture. And yet you say he hasn't done a spectacular job? What is it, he hasn't run up the deficit fast enough for you?

AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77 The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH Remember the day... January 3rd, 2007 was the day Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES! Unemployment... To this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES! Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!" Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets. And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Geoff, I re-read the post by Youkonjohn and saw no reference to Ron Paul. I did see that reference in your reply to his post, however. But, to your point, having Ron Paul as the President would have the same effect as the others, that is to say, none.

Your suggestion that we all read Regan's autobiography is avoiding the question. Or, more clearly, avoiding having to say you agree with the facts that clarabelle has presented. By using your own words to agree, you run the risk of having those words used against you at some future time. Plus, it's just plain humiliating to have to admit that your hero had warts.

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

AFCHIEF - you should put your posts in quotation marks ==> " " - as yours is taken from a post from "http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77592"

here is another post from that same thread:

"Or, instead of Congress, use who is President.

When Clinton took office, the DOW was 3241.95. On his last day it office it was 10587.59.

When G. W. Bush took office, the DOW was 10587.59. On the last day of his term, it was down to 7949.09.

When Obama took office, the DOW was 7949.09. The most recent close as I write this is 11,866.39.

It looks to me as though the market tolerated those pinko socialist democrats just fine! "

see - i use quotes :)

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Mr. Russell, Yukon, if I remember correctly, is a Ron Paul supporter. He doesn't come on as much as he used to, but when he did, we had many polite discussions on the then candidate. I presumed based on those conversations what he was referring to. Could be I am mistaken. We'll wait for him to clarify his point.

So many on here post links to make their points. Can I not do the same by referring the answers to Clarabelle's questions which can be found in those 15 pages?

clarabelle 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@ justpassingby2 - "Geez clarabelle, I thought we democrats agreed that the bush tax hikes for the rich were a good thing. We were just joshing the bush administration about human rights. Like we really care what goes on at GITMO. And having our boys overseas fighting wars is so much better than adding them to the unemployment lines. And the lies and secrets that the bush admin. used regularly just about drove us democrats crazy. Now we understand the importance of hiding things like Fast and Furious, Solyndra, obamacare, well you get the picture. And yet you say he hasn't done a spectacular job? What is it, he hasn't run up the deficit fast enough for you?"

geez "wishyouwouldfinallypassusby" -

we ARE out of iraq and there is a timetable for withdrawal from Afghanistan. and......... 63 percent of Republicans (your guys) polled said that they agreed with President Obama's decision.

"The loan for solyndra comprised 1.3% of DOE’s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that’s known to be troubled." - I applaud this admin for trying to relieve dependence on oil (something your guys never seem to want to do). Do you realize china and japan are taking the lead in solar technology - something that will prove far more important in years to follow.

obamacare hasn't even taken effect and you include it because you are a parrot that simply repeats the limbaugh crap! You really have no idea how this will turn out.

Gitmo:

"Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who also supports shutting it, said the effort is “on life support and it’s unlikely to close any time soon.” He attributed the collapse to some fellow Republicans’ “demagoguery” and the administration’s poor planning and decision-making “paralysis.”"

closing gitmo isn't just on obamas back - its on a congres that won't fund the effort. btw - most americans don't want gitmo closed.

as usual - you can find blame only in the "other" party! You are one of those that will vote their party regardless of who your candidate is!

I hate responding to you because it is wasted energy. your mind - as closed and incapable of real thought is - will simply already have a retort - even before i post!

i dont agree with all obama has done - but you - disagree with all of it regardless!

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

geoff-- I keep two books on my desk at work. Reagan's "An American Life," and "John Adams," by David McCullough. Keep up the good work! Cheers!

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Big fan of David McCullough's work. And Reagan...well, goes without saying.

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Brothers from different mothers, to be sure. Cheers!

skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Hey Jim, Yeah, but New York is just another giant gun free zone, isn't it? It is remarkable, I think, that it is difficult if not impossible to find where a ccp stopped a crime and shot an innocent person by mistake...weird, isn't it??? Happens with law enforcement on a somewhat regular basis according to the FBI uniform crime statistics. But then most cops will tell you that they are there not to stop crime but to take the report and look for the criminal afterwards. Pretty much like us firemen...we don't prevent fires ( only YOU can do that according to Smokey! ) we only come put them out!

skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Clarabelle, the problem is that Obama hasn't got a clue about how to run a country...and Mitt does. I wouldn't holler about Obama having money offshore but I do holler about Obama using class warfare to create differences, for his benefit, and all the while he and Michelle are millionaires. He's part of the "one percent" that he is waging war on but you never hear him admit to that. I understand that before the end of the week the U.S. will have advanced our debt by SIX TRILLION dollars in just under four years of the inept Obama administration with it's crooks and incompetents.

Sherwood 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Think big deficits cause recession? Think again! Quite the opposite, actually.

See: http://www.epicoalition.org/docs/thayer.htm

Quoting the above link at length here:

1817-21: In five years, the national debt was reduced by 29 percent, to $90 million. A depression began in 1819.
1823-36: In 14 years, the debt was reduced by 99.7 percent, to $38,000. A depression began in 1837.
1852-57: In six years, the debt was reduced by 59 percent, to $28.7 million. A depression began in 1857..
1867-73: In seven years, the debt was reduced by 27 percent, to $2.2 billion. A depression began in 1873.
1880-93: In 14 years, the debt was reduced by 57 percent, to $1 billion. A depression began in 1893.
1920-30: In 11 years, the debt was reduced by 36 percent, to $16.2 billion. A depression began in 1929.

[...]

· Deficit reductions, 1971-74, led to the recession that began at the end of 1973; a slow recovery did not help Gerald Ford in 1976.

· Deficit reductions, 1977-80, gave way to a recession in 1980 that damaged Jimmy Carter’s re-election hopes.

· Deficit reductions, 1987-89, were followed by the 1990-91 recession that harmed George Bush.

Meanwhile, the longest period without a recession was from November, 1982 to July, 1990.

The Republicans who now praise that "Reagan boom" never refer to the deficits or blame the Democratic Congress, while Democrats repeatedly attack "Reagan deficits." Neither side seems aware that a steep rise in deficits began in 1981, preceding the "boom" by almost two years.

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

justpassingby2-- Since DR's column thread was shut down, please let me address your dispute with me that I think that DR is "smart." I do think DR is very intelligent. Getting a law degree is certainly evidence of that. You may be correct that I erred in my using the word "smart" instead of "intelligent." What happened here last night was a disaster for all involved, and certainly not "smart" for anyone. The Pilot has rightfully removed the offensive posts by both parties. What the Pilot intends to do from here is unknown. I do not condone vile comments from anyone here, including DR. Has he posted terrible things here? Yes. And many have directed the same type of posts to him. And both are wrong. That is my point: it is never appropriate for ANYONE to post vile and disrespectful comments here, or anywhere else. Yet very intelligent people can fall prey to posting gutter comments, which is never smart. Love your posts here by the way! Cheers!

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

T- it's not my intent here to disagree with you, but Dusty makes a bed that everyone reacts to in their own ways. Some as vile as you describe. Intelligent....certainly, but if he did not speak on here the way he does, or write the baiting, sarcastic, smug pieces he does, I'm confident the responses would not be what they are. It's been like this for a long, long time, and didn't become the issue it has until The Pilot opened this website, and it became so easy to respond to the vitriol. Before that, I'm sure he was considered good for paper sales, and may even yet be considered as such, hence the refusal to stuff a sock in his foul mouth.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest he raises peoples ire. Your defense of him has always been a puzzler to me, and I think misplaced.

Otherwise, I agree with you on most all else. We can now await Dusty's response. Sure to be a crowd pleaser.

AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Dusty the victim. NOT, he is a big liberal bully and WHEN will the Pilot fire his butt!!!

AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Clarabelle "The loan for solyndra comprised 1.3% of DOE’s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that’s known to be troubled."

I'm shocked you brought up Solyndra, over $550 million dollars WASTED on a Obama campaign supporter.

Clarebelle, take a minute and watch this

AFP Wasteful Spending Ad by AforP

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

geoff-- How about that?! Conservatives disagreeing with one another...never happens with liberals. You are 100% correct (in my view) with your impressions of DR's posts. To the extent we disagree, it is about this: it is impossible for anyone to prove who fired the first shot. Is DR responding, or provoking? I would say provoking in most instances, but last night I saw a post (before the poster removed it) which was simply vile. And of course, DR went ballistic...causing all their posts to be removed. That my defense of DR is a "puzzler" to some is likely more a product of my Christian beliefs and hoping the best for everyone. You may be correct that my defense of him is misplaced. But I made it, and I stand by it. My hope is that DR will apologize for his own vile posts, and that the other poster will do the same. You owe me a beer! Cheers!

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Join me now as we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya". This will be followed by a playing of the Elvis Presley version of "There Will Be Peace In The Valley". Our program will conclude with Dusty leading us in singing an a cappella arrangement of his own special version of the Beatles classic "Long And Winding Rhoades", which will feature instrumental accompaniment by AFCHIEF, skylinefirepest, justpassingby2, bentpan, fugitiveguy, the MikeNC twins, Ryan TheProfit and special appearances by Geoff and Thatcher.

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Not bad....not bad at all....Pretty funny, actually.

Jason 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Scary!!!! We have Mr. Barnes repeating the Republican misinformation propaganda regarding Obama robbing Medicare, geoffcutler twisting the facts and claiming taxing, someone else misrepresenting the job destruction (pre-Obama), etc. and finally some facts regarding the reality of rapid debt reduction and recessions. What do the regulars do? They continue to ignore reality and throw juvenile hate bombs. I'm glad I have been out of the country and missing this blatant ignorant behavior. We get the government we deserve!

FYI - Clarabelle- Reagan raised taxes 11 times.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"Republican misinformation propaganda regarding Obama robbing Medicare"

I am skeptical of anything and everything, this however I heard Obama confirm in an interview with a reporter.

Obama Admits Raiding MediCare - Medium by mittromneyTPS

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Clarabelle, I only try to hold obama to his word. I thought that was going to be the start of 'change'. Keeping his word and transparency were the two major promises that obama has failed to keep.obamacare has started, and the cost of coverage continues to go up. The way the obamacare bill came to be was very disturbing. We were promised hearings and input and compromise. What we got was refusal of democrats and obama to bring the sides together. We got out of Iraq, not on the timetable promised by obama but basically the timetable set by bush and just in time for election season. Do you realize that republicans were also taking money from Solyndra? Do you believe their interest was in getting us off oil too?

I could go on and on but I know you get the point. Maybe you can be the first to respond to a question dusty, toda, jimruss and others have tried to talk around but couldn't answer. What upset you most about the bush administration and tell us what STEPS (nobody expected problems solved) obama has taken to change them?

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jason...mentioned on the news last night that Obama's unwanted health plan took over seven hundred billion dollars out of Medicare...seem's like a robbery to me, right??

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Pgs. 333-350 also revealing regarding the above questions and other nonsense.

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Can anybody find a common denominator to every meltdown on these boards that has led to a board being shut down? Think real hard! (funny stuff).

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

That's a tough one, you got me. What is it?

AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Liberals Geoff

Jason 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"In reality, the $716 billion is not a “cut” in benefits but rather the savings in costs..." 1- http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/aug/20/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-cuts-716-medicare-pay-obamacare/ 2- http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0816/Mitt-Romney-says-Obama-robbed-Medicare-of-716-billion.-True 3- http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opinion/sunday/truth-and-lies-about-medicare.html?_r=1&ref=editorials

Jason 8 months, 3 weeks ago

And let's talk about welfare... The President empower states as they requested and what does he get in return, an attack ad? Watch out whitey, the Negroes are gonna take all your money! Ya, we're not racists, but we'll let the racists in our small tent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/opinion/mr-romney-hits-bottom-on-welfare.html

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

16T national debt, 8.3% unemployment rate. Time to replace Obama with someone with a resume commensurate with the job. Liberal Democrats covered in fairy dust gave a man with no resume the White House in 2008. His was a predictable failure. If you disagree, fine. Please list us just a few of President Obama's qualifications for becoming president in 2008.

AFCHIEF 8 months, 3 weeks ago

fugitive, smoking pot, doing drugs, and not having a REAL JOB that was Obama's qualifications.

justpassingby2 8 months, 3 weeks ago

They were also bush's qualifications, heck and clinton too for that matter! obama has shown a total lack of intelligence (I really would pay to see his college transcripts now) and worse obama is a worse leader than even bush! No wonder non-thinking liberals are having meltdowns all across this great country of ours trying to defend his record. And once again we have an election which will be decided by who people think will screw up less. This lesser of two evils thing has got to end soon or I will have a meltdown!

oceangypsy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Agree the President has tried and unfortunately failed. Hoping for Romney/Ryan but we need to hold new team accountable for some real fiscal change and break pattern past few Republican Administrations of deficits.

Thatcher 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"Please list us just a few of President Obama's qualifications for becoming president in 2008." I can think of two: Hope and Change. Four years later, Americans have given up hope, which is why I believe there will soon be a change. Cheers! (P.S. "YES WE CAN!"...sorta sounds silly now, right? It was silly then, too, folks).

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"Hoping for Romney/Ryan but we need to hold new team accountable for some real fiscal change and break pattern past few Republican Administrations of deficits."

Oceangypsy is RIGHT!

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

All those lefties who have labeled conservatives racists for opposing his policies when in fact, race was the main reason why they voted for him. It made them feel soooooo good. So often I find that lefties try to assign some of their worst and most blatant qualities to the opposition. I don't know whether they are just full of it or are just clueless. I suppose there are some of each.

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm only a couple of chapters into The Amateur. But in just those twenty pages or so it's already clear that this man, a no show in Illinois, and a no show in Congress, cared not one wit about leadership and being involved in the "process." With his utter lack of credentials, it's mind-boggling that he ran...and won the presidency of the United States.. The socialist agenda is strong here.

By the way, for those who haven't read the book, it was Bill Clinton who coined the phrase, "The Amateur." Can't believe I'm saying this after the roller coaster ride he took the nation on, but what a breath of fresh air it would be to have him back.

fugitiveguy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"With his utter lack of credentials, it's mind-boggling that he ran...and won the presidency of the United States"

It really is mind boggling. Even more so the fact that he very well could win again despite the dismal performance he has turned in. To many who voted for him all that mattered was that he was Democrat, black and could deliver a good speech (it was all he had). He still has all those things going for him and for many (just like 4 yrs ago) thats all they need to know.

geoffcutler 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I don't feel the fret about Obama's winning again that I once did. The numbers are encouraging. Check Carter v. Reagan at this time in the race. The similarities between what Carter, and now Obama have done to the country, are striking, Carter was way up in he polls. Romney is running even, and has been within the margin of error since he became the undeclared nominee. If Americans have not chosen Socialism in favor of our system, Romney should, if history is any guide, clean his clock.

oceangypsy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Fugitiveguy, reading that post you made up there about reasons people voted for the President in 2008, I thought you would find this article from the Atlantic, from Oct 2008 as hilarious and sad as I did.

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2008/10/the-top-ten-reasons-conservatives-should-vote-for-obama/209519/

LSM 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@oceangypsy

I read your posting and went to the web site, instead of saddness I feel pure anger at how this President has deluded so many Americans. His whole life is one big lie. People do not realize that the damage done in these last four years can not be repaired.

oceangypsy 8 months, 3 weeks ago

LSM, so right. The promise of Utopia by any politician hopefully will always be viewed with skepticism after this administration (but probably not).

JimRussell44 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Thatcher, slogans are just that, slogans. Kind of like "Mission Accomplished". I noted the Republican National Convention has a "slogan" hanging everywhere in the convention hall: "We Can Do Better". I'm still not sure what the intent of this slogan is. Does it mean the Republicans can do better than what the Democrats have done? Or does it mean the Republicans are stuck with Romney and are having a case of buyers remorse?

Courseaire 8 months, 3 weeks ago

JimRussell44 - Good one!

skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

The country can definitely do better than the inept administration of the last four years...six trillion dollars in new debt, lowered respect throughout the world ( including countries that were our former best allies ), lowered security because of a president that thinks we are not unique on this planet, a border that no one wants closed except for the citizens, etc. Yes, we can do better! Jim, you said you wanted to give Obama a chance to finish what he started...I'll present to you that another four years of this dude and the country is essentially finished as a world leader. As a country we didn't bother to check out this guy ( because he was young, spoke eloquently, black, gave promises that sounded great, and wasn't McCain?? ) so we neglected to find out that this guy had no leadership of any kind, anywhere, had never worked at a productive job, knew nothing about business, the military, leadership, working well with others, love of country??! Let's face it...even you diehard liberal types know that Obama is done, fried, finished, and we're going to throw him and the rest of his garbage administration out shortly.

JD 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Conservatives disagreeing with one another...

Everytime I visit the Pilot. Typically called a liar and insulted. It's really hard line social conservatives that disagree with anything progressive.

skylinefirepest 8 months, 3 weeks ago

JD...it's easy to agree with being progressive, as you say. What is really difficult is to see anything at all good about being Liberal!! I'm sick and damn tired of the "Liberals and Progressives" talking trash about this country and running our economy into the dirt to where we may not be able to recover. If you want to be progressive then be PROGRESSIVE...let business excel and put this country back on the footing of greatness. Solyndra, et. al., didn't work and we, the people, lost our butts on Obama's taking OUR money and giveing it willy nilly to any of his supporters that needed a dime...or a billion or so!

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