Early Observations on the GOP Horse Race
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“A leader is a dealer in hope.”
Some DJ repeated this Napoleon Bonaparte quote on the radio the other day. I wonder if it’s one familiar to Barack Obama, and whether he designed his winning campaign for the presidency around it.
Obama’s hope (and change in this case) has somehow morphed into misery, depression and angst. Friends in Washington tell me the mood there is grim, particularly among Democrats.
On a call from the nation’s capital a couple of weeks ago, the caller told me that except for the Michael Moore and MoveOn.Org crowd, who will apparently back the president until our ship of state rests comfortably on the ocean floor, Washingtonians of reasonable stripe feel the man is totally out of his league and clueless as to how to bring the country back to prosperity.
I still have reservations about that school of thought — believing, as liberals do, that this is a smart man. It’s just that his vision of America differs from either our founders’ intent, or the will of the people. And speaking of that majority, there’s reason to feel some confidence that by their vote in November 2012, Mr. Obama will be escorted to the rear end of one of his long unemployment lines.
Which brings me round to the discussion for today. What of these nine Republican candidates? The following are merely early observations, nothing too deep, nothing too serious at this point, as the race has barely unfolded.
Rick Perry: The early press on him was better than the reality. He’s got excellent numbers on job creation and growth in Texas, but there’s something off with this guy. Forced HPV inoculations and tuition breaks for the children of illegal aliens — troublesome. Expecting to see this light fade.
Mitt Romney: Unlike the current president, he has a clue about business and would likely pack his administration with people who would quickly get the economy back on track. Did a good job Thursday night clarifying and defending his position on RomneyCare and saying it does not fit the country. Presidential.
Michele Bachmann: A lot to like here. Her understanding of economics, her obvious devotion to the Constitution, her determination to overturn Obamacare — a real plus. Has provided foster care to 23 teenage girls? That’s impressive! Shows what a real tea party hater she is. Needs to consider her remarks carefully.
Herman Cain: 9-9-9 economic plan — simple and intriguing. Excellent understanding of our relationship with Israel. Very good on the stump, and his explanation of how Obamacare would have affected his cancer treatments is extremely powerful and easy for voter to understand. Like him.
Newt Gingrich: The comeback kid? Pound for pound, the most qualified and experienced candidate. Has fixed the economy before, and can do it again. We’ll see how his numbers fare with the voter throughout the campaign. His stock is rising with each debate.
Rick Santorum: Second-most-qualified candidate in the field. Impressed by his rational appraisals of Iraq and Afghanistan, that our jobs are not finished there until they are finished. We don’t leave because we think it will help us get re-elected.
John Huntsman: Seems reasonable enough. Needs to break through with the voter. Don’t think he’ll stay in race. Could be wrong.
Ron Paul: Has great ideas on the economy and understands the limitations of the federal government, and that it breaks down the larger it becomes. Unfortunately, his isolationist foreign policy remarks make him someone you just can’t take seriously.
Gary Johnson: Where did this guy come from? Shovel-ready neighborhood dog quip — best one-liner in a debate since Reagan pulled the rug out from under Walter Mondale. Same foreign policy problems as Ron Paul. A 43 percent reduction in military expenditure, today? Not my kind of libertarianism.
On the whole, any one of these candidates would make a better leader for our country than what we’ve got. Republican reaction, which at times can seem extreme — doing away with federal agencies, for example — can only be blamed on Obama shoving the country further to the left than it’s ever been before.
This will be a pure reactionary election. On Nov. 3, 2012, when one of these candidates (or Chris Christie) gets the concession phone call from Mr. Obama, America will psychologically arise within minutes. It will be like a boot being lifted from our nation’s neck.
Geoff Cutler is owner of Cutler Tree LLC in Southern Pines and is a regular contributor to The Pilot and PineStraw magazine. Contact him at geoffcutler@embarqmail. com.
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nothingspecial 1 year, 8 months ago
You're so spot on, Geoff as always. Agree with your assessment too about "smarts". We are seeing many folks these days who have all the credentials to show they are smart. But nothing to show that they have the more important qualities of character and wisdom.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
On a call from the nation’s capital a couple of weeks ago, the caller told me that except for the Michael Moore and MoveOn.Org crowd, who will apparently back the president until our ship of state rests comfortably on the ocean floor,
Clearly, your caller is one of those people who doesn't know anything about the actual left:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/20/moveon-org-upset-with-obama-launches-campaign-to-drive-liberal-agenda-on-its-own/#ixzz1YzLR24EF
*Left-wing MoveOn.org isn’t happy with President Barack Obama. In a fundraising e-mail sent to supporters on Monday, the group hinted that Obama has abandoned it in political fights in Washington and across the country.
“It’s pretty clear by now that we can’t wait for Barack Obama, or the Democrats, to save us,” MoveOn.org said in the e-mail to supporters. “But the one thing that might turn things around is an honest-to-God mass movement—something on the scale of the civil rights movement or the antiwar movement—built around a vision of an economy that works for all of us, not just the top 2%.”*
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
Michael Moore to Obama: "Show some guts."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/michael-moore-obama-show-some-guts-arrest-sp-head/
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Unless the Democrats come up with a primary challenger, which I can't believe they haven't yet, you don't seriously believe the Michael Moores and the MoveOn.Org crowd are going to vote for one of the Republican candidates...do you?
Caller was referencing the far left, and making the point that the Democrats in Washington he knows, now admnit that Obama is a hapless president, and totally out of his league, and they're not happy about it.
JER 1 year, 8 months ago
Wondering why we should care about what a tree pruner in DC thinks. Geoff likes to try to impress us with his upper level contacts, so I guess this guy who called him might have been on a ladder at the time of the call. Hey Geoff, my Washington sources tell me that Republicans are in a state of panic over their field of candidates. They are placing all their faith in whoever enters the race next. Can you get your pruner guy to look into that?
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
nothing if not predictable...snore.
JER 1 year, 8 months ago
Glad you're not disappointed. You need to get that deviated septum looked at.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
Might be a little more believable if we knew what credentials this anonymous "caller" has, or claims to have. Anyone can make a phone call. And anyone can work the media by claiming "this is what the Democrats are saying".
As for the meat of the column: every month or so, a new ABM (Anyone but Mitt) arises, to thunderous cheers from the far right who can't stand Romney. And they generally implode within weeks. Gingrich, Trump, Bachmann, now Perry (who stumbled when he revealed he wasn't crazy enough on immigration and public health to suit the wingnuts). And now they're begging Christie to come in and save them from Flip-Floppin' Mitt. Hilarious.
But keep it up. Keep burning that donor money fighting each other, while Obama builds his war chest.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
But again, when it comes time to pull the lever...who do you think they'll pull for...Michelle Bachmann or Barack Obama? The person was talking about the intractable far left voter, like you perhaps.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
They may just stay home like they did in 2010.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
That would be a mistake, don't you think?
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
It sure as hell was in 2010. Look what it got us. The Tea Party House, followed by the Tea Party Downgrade. Up next: the Tea Party Shutdown.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Is that the talking points excuse du jour for the thrashing?
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Too funny. Cain is a liar. Hint: Having health insurance and free colon cancer screenings as promised with the ACA, will not kill you. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to cite the provision in the ACA that would have been a problem for Mr. Cain.
And what's the issue with HPV vaccines? Do teabaggers really want the death penalty for their children if they stray from abstinence? How weird is it that the right wing is upset with a vaccine that prevents the second most common cause of cancer deaths in women? Don't you like them?
blake 1 year, 8 months ago
Leading causes of cancer death in women: 1.lung, 2. breast, 3. colon. Your wife is a physician, ask her. Stick with your ludicrous opinions because when you bring up facts and statistics, it is just embarrassing.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
According to CDC, in 2007 (the most recent year for such figures) 12,280 women in the United States were diagnosed with cervical cancer. 4,021 women in the United States died from cervical cancer. It's only the cause of 13.7% of cancer deaths among women world wide so why should you care?
Cervical cancer used to be the leading cause of death, but pap smears have helped reduce that number. Too bad teabaggers are fighting to prevent routine reproductive care for women. It's more than just embarrassing. It's stupid.
ProudYankee 1 year, 8 months ago
Of course it's stupid, but the Tea Pot crowd wears their stupidity like a badge of honor. Sad.
blake 1 year, 8 months ago
Well done, Mr Heim. You can give an accurate statistic, let's hope you are turning a new leaf. I think Perry made a mistake in 2007. The vaccine Gardasil was not on the market even 1 year when he made it a mandate to be given to all 6th grade girls. He did this by executive order to bypass the state legislature. His motivation was in question as he was lobbied by Merck and received campaign donations. I support the approach of then governor of Alaska Sarah Palin who did not mandate the vaccine, but did make it available to girls ages 9-18 at no cost.
teufelhunden 1 year, 8 months ago
I have heard lots of horror stories surrounding this vaccine from parents I know.
blake 1 year, 8 months ago
I think it is probably a good vaccine. Most of the horror stories regarding vaccines are unfounded and I think that probably is true regarding Gardasil as well. I personally have more reservations of giving a vaccine to girls ages 9-12 to prevent a sexually transmitted disease when studies on effectiveness are only documented out 5 yrs. Maybe I am naive, but I think it is scheduled too early.
teufelhunden 1 year, 8 months ago
I agree that they are scheduled too early...... I learned that you don't even have to have a pelvic exam to get on birth control pills. They now say it depends on how long the patient has been sexually active. Well heck the first time a person has sex they can contract a disease and/or get pregnant. Maybe it all has to do with billing/insurance issues and not what is best for the patient.
I have also heard that undocumented people (aka illegal aliens) coming into the country are bringing with them diseases that had once been eradicated in the US. Most of their US born children are getting immunized thanks to Medicaid.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Do undocumented visitors have different diseases from those with visas or who are here legally? Just wondering ...
teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago
Geez...think about what I said for a while (wonder) and get back to me...
letmeinonthis 1 year, 8 months ago
CDC also states the HPV (the virus Gardail protects against) is the most common STD in the US with 6 million contracting it annually. That means 98% of the cases of HPV do not cause cervical cancer! As of June 2011 CDC reports 68 deaths related to Gardasil. There are also reports of GBS and other illnesses. The BEST prevention of cervical cancer is early detection by PAP smear NOT a vaccine that has horrible side effects.
Roorke 1 year, 8 months ago
The democrat/socialist will always go straight ticket if they vote, that is all they know. President Obama doesn't have to prove any ability, has he up to this point? The base just laps up the worthless words that flow off his telepromter. Please use as an example his latest speech to the Congressional Black Caucus.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
'Michele Bachmann: A lot to like here.'
Actually there's a lot not to like beginning here with her refusal to condemn the people in the tea party audience who booed a US soldier serving in Iraq at the Florida debate. When did Republicans decide that soldiers in war zones deserve their contempt?
honesty2 1 year, 8 months ago
Nicely done Geoff.
Yukonjohn 1 year, 8 months ago
Seems kind of funny to me that the conservative right will not take that step to really limit government intrusion into our lives by standing firmly behind Ron Paul or Gary Johnson and vote with the Contitution. The majority seems to want big government and slick politicians instead of the candidate that will bring us back to what our founders thought our government should be.
honesty2 1 year, 8 months ago
I like them on many issues, but I too would be concerned about them re: foreign policy. Could see Paul in the administration in some capacity, however. I agree with him on auditing the fed.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Here's what remains undisputed: Cain lied about his cancer care, Michele Bachmann (and every other Republican on the stage) refused to thank the gay soldier in Iraq for his service (apparently they only value teabagger GIs) and no one has mounted a defense for not inoculating young women against HPV which causes a deadly cancer. Anything else?
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
YukonJohn- nobody's unhappier about it than I am. The president has to embody the whole picture, domestic and foreign. When I listen to Paul on Iraq and Afghanistan, I think, is he kidding? You can't get elected sounding so off the wall. I wish it weren't so because you're right about both of their understandings of the Constitution and limited goverment.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
It's funny, when Paul originally started gaining prominence it was because he was one of the few members of Congress who stood up against the Iraq War. Some of the people carrying Paul signs then were not people you'd normally expect to be supporting a Republican.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
It's true, and somewhat odd, I think, but there's an element within the Republican and Tea Party that wants the troops brought home now, no ifs, ands or buts. I suspect war-weariness and believe if we were attacked again tomorrow, that stance would change dramatically.
sgmartin 1 year, 8 months ago
Yeah lots of winners you have there who can deal with a global economic crisis and world instability. The only one I could tolerate as president is Romney and it appears he doesn't meet the conservative litmus test. I am enjoying watching your team cannibalize each other though.
Tatoosh 1 year, 8 months ago
I guess Obama is a real winner on global economic crisis? He gave up our missile defense system to Russia without extracting any concessions. He told the Israeli's to move back to the 1967 boundaries which are indefensible. They should give up their land and security to their enemies who will not recognize their right to resist. Obama compromises our national security by shutting down oil and gas operations while loaning development money to countries like Brazil for the same. Any one of these candidates would be better than Obama.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Actually, Tatoosh, you're wrong. Obama did not tell "...the Israeli's to move back to the 1967 boundaries which are indefensible."
According to NYT: ' ...Mr. Obama declared that the prevailing borders before the 1967 Arab-Israeli war — adjusted to some degree to account for Israeli settlements in the West Bank — should be the basis of a deal. While the 1967 borders have long been viewed as the foundation for a peace agreement, Mr. Obama’s formula of land swaps to compensate for disputed territory created a new benchmark for a diplomatic solution.'
See the difference? The borders (adjusted to account for Israeli settlements), should be the basis. You know, the starting point. That's a long way from ordering them to move back to those borders as I would have.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
You mean like when the Obama team cannibalized the up until Obama showed up on the scene for two seconds darling of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton. You'll remember that Obama used the race card on The Clinton campaign as Obama ate her for lunch. In a pinch, libs use the racist card even on their own. They don't discriminate when it comes to elections. NIce!
TreadLightly 1 year, 8 months ago
History shows spurts of socialism--look how many mayors were elected in 1911 from the Socialist Party of America. But when the public gets a look at socialism, it has to change its name and hide its intention. Hopefully that is the current situation. No one has shown the thrust of socialism like Obama.
BigE 1 year, 8 months ago
"No one has shown the thrust of socialism like Obama."
Please cite examples so we can discuss the inaccuracy of your statement.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
That's a joke question...right?
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Well, let's see. Obama hasn't suggested a single law to restrict gun ownership and he's reduced taxes to a far greater extend than W, and he got behind a health care law with a strong Republican pedigree. Yeah, he must be a socialist.
honesty2 1 year, 7 months ago
Surely you can admit that he has socialist tendencies i.e. "takeover" of auto industry, large ownership in AIG & banking, obamacare, control of student loans, and his continued utterances to redistribute wealth. As far as gun ownership, let's see where Fast and Furious leads.
BigE 1 year, 7 months ago
Again... spell it out for me. Calling someone a name without backing it up with data is weak and cowardly. Lets discuss the facts.
JER 1 year, 8 months ago
Hey, I thought this guy (treadlightly) gave a farewell address a few days ago.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Yeah, I seem to remember you doing that once.
JER 1 year, 8 months ago
Hey, I did it more than once. I'm disappointed you failed to notice the other 74 times I quit this dead end addiction. Trouble is, you or Jeffery or some letter to the editor writer says something that pulls me in like a moth to the flame. I suppose TreadLightly might be the mirror image of me.
teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago
He's the anti-JER. :)
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
It is a little bit addictive. I've noticed that myself, lately.
nothingspecial 1 year, 8 months ago
There's absolutely no doubt that this administration is forwarding socialist based policies no matter how much folks like to disguise or pooh pooh talk of it. It's not logical, in light of well publicized failures and human rights issues with socialism in the Soviet Union and the imploding of those European countries who pioneered this administration's entitlement programs.
BigE 1 year, 7 months ago
There is no doubt if you think anything to your left is Socialist!
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
NS- by reading the latest introduction to The Communist Manifesto, you will find, according to Vladimir Pozner, that it is quite logical that socialism would continue to be pushed both here and in Europe. Pozner's thesis is that true socialism never existed in the Soviet Union. And I believe he may be correct, according to the manifesto itself. Pozner:
" What certainly did occur in the U.S.S.R. was the abolishing of private property. The same happened in Albania, Bulgaria,....etc. But in none of them was public, collective property instituted. What replaced private ownership was state ownership. All the means of production were du jure and de facto owned, controlled, and run by the state."
Would students of the Pozner hypothesis say true socialism has yet to occur?
honesty2 1 year, 8 months ago
Do you think Agenda 21/ICLEI are the latest weapon to obtain collective property?
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Looked at the website and went through some of the areas of their concern. Sounds like utopian hocus-pocus to me. What are you thinking about it?
honesty2 1 year, 8 months ago
Yes, sustainable and smart development sound good until you get down to the details and implementation of this agenda which affects individual property rights. http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/uploads/4/4/6/6/4466371/iclei.flyer.update.pdf
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/ Be sure to watch the video (long). A little something for everyone- a democrat speaking to a tea party group about the dangers of Agenda 21 and ICLEI,
nothingspecial 1 year, 8 months ago
You're right, I read one of Suvorov's books recently that said that very thing - that party leaders spoke of it as if it were the upcoming awakening.
blessherheart 1 year, 8 months ago
You lost me at Bachmann.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Does it matter? Were you contemplating a vote for one of the Republican candidates?
blessherheart 1 year, 8 months ago
Actually Mr Smarty Pants... Huntsman is on my radar
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
I stand corrected, Mr. Smarty Pants. (I like that one!)
AM910 1 year, 8 months ago
I agree. Bachmann is falling faster than meteor. She makes Palin look halfway intelligent.
TOYTIME 1 year, 8 months ago
Jim Heim said Cain is a liar because he believes that early and aggressive treatment saved his life. His point being that he was "free" to get the best health care he could afford without a beurocratic delay. Earlier in another thread he wondered if the reason someone wanted BHO out was for race reasons. Jim does your logic still hold here or are you ammune because your a democrat party member?
madstork 1 year, 8 months ago
Worse yet...Heim is the Dem Chair in Moore County. They must be so proud.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Mr Cain is a liar, plain and simple. The ACA will provide free colon cancer screening. How would that have hampered Mr Cain's recovery? ACA mandates private health insurance. Pray tell how having private health insurance would have hampered Mr Cain's recovery? He's another GOP liar. What part of that involves a government bureaucracy?
The TPers stand around making up lies about ACA and when pinned down about whether they know anything about it, change the subject. Pathetic.
honesty2 1 year, 7 months ago
Let's see what the physicians say about it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/09/26/doctor-and-ama-split-over-contentious-issue-of-obamacare/ (only 13% of doctors approve of AMA's support of obamacare)
teufelhunden 1 year, 8 months ago
Too funny. Cain is a liar. Hint: Having health insurance and free colon cancer screenings as promised with the ACA, will not kill you. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to cite the provision in the ACA that would have been a problem for Mr. Cain.- JimHeim
I do not know this story. I saw the debate but hadn't heard about what you're talking about. Where is this story? How do you know so many specific details about HIS colon cancer?
TOYTIME 1 year, 8 months ago
my comment below was for jimheim, not you, sorry for the clumsiness.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
I guess you don't know that in 2006, Cain was diagnosed with stage IV cancer of the colon and liver. He would like us to believe that under ACA every doctor would have to call Washington to get permission to do anything. Bold-faced lie and no one confirm his idiotic statement.
teufelhunden 1 year, 8 months ago
Based on what you've been saying I don't think you understand what he was saying...
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
I second the motion!
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Well, Geoff, maybe you can help me out. Exactly what provision(s) of the ACA would have killed Cain (as he said during the debate)? Would it be the free colon cancer screenings that likely would have caught his cancer sooner? Would it be private health insurance (like Blue Cross)? Can you find anything in the ACA to suggest that some bureaucrat in Washington would have to approve his care?
Come on, fill us in. What was Cain trying to say.? You owe it to us to show us the error of our ways.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Well, Jim, how about this for starters. What he told us during the debate is what he said he was told by his doctors. I have no reason at this point to disbelieve that.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Really? His doctors told him that if he had health insurance he would die? He must have misheard.
Forbes Magazine fact-checked Cain and concluded that he "overstated his case." Here's partof their analysis:
'When asked what he meant, Cain gave a vague answer. When he was diagnosed five years ago, he said, he got treated quickly and had access to the all CT-scans and doctors he needed. “We need to get bureaucrats out of the business of trying to micromanage health care in this nation,” was his final remark, which he delivered to rousing applause.'
So I ask you, where in ACA does it say that bureaucrats are going to intervene in health care? Simple question. I know the answer. Do you?
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
No, what he said during the debate was that if Obamacare was currently active in the way it will be, his doctors said he would not have had access to such quick care. As far as where in Obamacare it says bureaucrats are going to intervene in healthcare, they already have. Who do you think came up with this mess? The bureaucrats in Washington. Not the the doctors, not the patients, not the states, and not the insurance companies. Please!
fugitiveguy 1 year, 8 months ago
With Herman's latest success the lefties feel the need to train their sites on him. Either that or maybe they don't like black people.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
Must admit, not much enthusiasm to argue with someone who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with the left is a racist.
fugitiveguy 1 year, 8 months ago
I keep waiting for one liberal to show some independent thought, show some integrity to come out and say essentially "although I disagree with conservatives on nearly everything I do not find any credibility in the notion that their opposition to the president is in any significant numbers based on his being black. I am not holding my breath.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
No...please don't hold your breath, we need you here, not in the morgue.
Hembloche 1 year, 7 months ago
although I disagree with conservatives on nearly everything I do not find any credibility in the notion that their opposition to the president is in any significant numbers based on his being black. Happy? Though I'm more middle of the road so i don't know if i count. I do think that the libs who scream racism at every opportunity make it hard for anyone to take the rest of what they say seriously. Also, i imagine the majority of libs don't really believe the racism claims, unfortunately, as is always the case, the craziest of the bunch are also the loudest.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Well said Hembloche, and you're exactly right. You can only be called a racist or a liar so many times before you won't debate the meat of the argument or take the person seriously anymore. Again, well said.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
The ACA will require that most Americans have health insurance provided by private industry. How is that a problem? Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
Boy, there's a well with no bottom.
honesty2 1 year, 7 months ago
Then why are private rates going up so high? And why are employers now saying they're no longer going to be able to offer insurance to their employees?
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Geoff, at some point you're going to have to admit that you have no idea what you're talking about. You are clueless about what's actually in ACA and rely instead on Fox News to misinform you.
My wife (prominent in national health care issues) tells me that Cain is way off base and that ACA provisions would actually have helped him. There is nothing in ACA that would have delayed treatment of Cain in any way, and your side can't prove it. So you whine about socialism and hope to confuse the issue.
Cain is a liar. Bachmann is a liar. If that's the best you GOPers can come up with, your party deserves to joins the Whigs in the recycle bin of history.
geoffcutler 1 year, 8 months ago
I know Jim, we either don't know what we're talking about...or we're liars and racists. We heard you!
honesty2 1 year, 7 months ago
Physicians I know are not in favor of aca. At all.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
And you do? Really?
TOYTIME 1 year, 8 months ago
The screening would not hamper the recovery, dummy. The delay in getting treatment by "waiting his turn" would.
BigE 1 year, 8 months ago
He is rich, he would not have to wait his turn. If you have money you do not need to wait around. There is a shortage of doctors in many corners of this country, pre-ACA. Why don't med students pick family medicine or general practice? Our current system is broken and expensive. I don't believe ACA is the final product or solution but at least it attempts to move towards cost containment.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
Who says people with private insurance have to "wait his turn?" I thought private insurance was the best. Maybe we should hold out for government insurance.
TreadLightly 1 year, 8 months ago
Some bright person should dig up the statistics that compared the rate of cancer survivors in England, Canada and the USA. The chart that I saw a few months back was dramatic. You don't want to be in socialized health care.
JimHeim 1 year, 8 months ago
The ACA is in no way socialized health care. It was originally a Republican idea. What's your point?
By the way, America's men and women in uniform enjoy socialized medicine. Seems to work for them.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 8 months ago
And, I'm betting a significant number of the people railing here against socialized medicine are on Medicare...a single payer government run health plan .
TreadLightly 1 year, 8 months ago
Maybe we are paranoid, but we feel like our medical care has gone downhill since going on Medicare. Nothing personal, just too many patients to see for so few dollars return. A patient that I visited recently in the hospital said that the sweep second hand timed the doctor's visit in the room at 15 seconds.
For the Army part, during treatment for a minor stateside injury the flight surgeon told me that the limit was one week light duty or one day of bedrest. A personal physician has never pulled such a judgement on how many hours or days I had to heal. without so much as an x-ray. An example of "medicine by the book" for injuries that aren't serious enough to require consultation with the death panel.
The people most happy about single payer systems seem to enjoy that the single payer is someone besides themselves. The other happy group is the one that wants to make dependents of the ones who don't want to pay the bill. More complicated psychology than I can fathom.
TreadLightly 1 year, 8 months ago
We feel like our medical care has gone downhill since going on Medicare. Nothing personal, just too many patients to see for so few dollars return. A patient that I visited recently in the hospital said that the sweep second hand timed the doctor's visit in the room at 15 seconds.
As for the Army part, with a minor stateside injury, a flight surgeon told me that the limit was one week light duty or one day of bedrest. A personal physician has never made such a judgement on how many hours or days I had to heal. with no lab work or x-ray. An example of "medicine by the book" for injuries that aren't serious enough to require consultation with the death panel.
The people most happy about single payer systems are the ones that want that single payer to be someone besides themselves. The other happy group is the one that wants to make dependents of the ones who don't want to pay the bill. More complicated psychology than I can fathom.
TreadLightly 1 year, 8 months ago
Sorry about that double-up. It sait "error" on the edit, and put it in anyway.
BigE 1 year, 7 months ago
I am not on Medicare and have sat waiting for doctors for 45 minutes only to get 3 minutes of their time. And, this is in major metro areas. Or, better yet, having to wait 5 months to get an appointment with a Mohs surgeon to examine a questionable growth. Our current system is expensive and broken. Fear-mongering about change (ACA) isn't the answer.
nothingspecial 1 year, 8 months ago
Hey Treadlightly those were some interesting statistics I remember that. I think the Heritage.org thinktank listed some significant reasons to want to take a second look at the healthcare plan: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/03/Top-10-Disasters-of-Obamacare
BigE 1 year, 7 months ago
From the Heritage.org web site-- "a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies"
A nice unbiased opinion for sure.
nothingspecial 1 year, 7 months ago
Big E, good luck with finding an unbiased view.