Just Let the Uninsured Die?

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Remember back during the health care debate when Democratic Congressman Alan Grayson came onto the House floor and presented two posters which he called "The Republican Health Care Plan"?

One of them said "Don't Get Sick," and the other said "Die Quickly."

Remember the outrage? "Appalling," Sean Hannity called it. Bill O'Reilly called Grayson a "pinhead." House Republicans drafted a resolution of disapproval identical to the one approved against Joe Wilson, who became a hero to Republicans after shouting "you lie!" at the president while he was speaking to Congress.

(Remember, the GOP hates disrespect and name-calling, unless it's them doing it. Then it's a fundraising bonanza.).

Well, a few months later, it seems that at least some tea partiers actually think that Grayson's so-called "smear" could actually be the basis of a mighty fine plan.

During the recent TP-sponsored debate, moderator Wolf Blitzer was discussing health care reform with Ron Paul, the Rodney Dangerfield of his party. Blitzer gave Paul a hypothetical situation about a 30-year-old who'd decided not to buy health insurance getting sick and slipping into a coma. Who pays for his care?

Paul started talking about how assuming your own risks is what freedom is all about.

"But Congressman," Blitzer persisted, "are you saying society should just let him die?"

At which point, members of the tea party audience began shouting "Yes! YEAH!" to scattered laughter and applause.

To his credit, Paul at least said "no," but then he began scattering rays of the usual nostalgic moonshine about how the hypothetical coma patient would be taken care of anyway, just like in the Good Old Days. Back in his day, Grandpa Ron said, when he first practiced medicine, churches took care of people and "we never turned anybody away from the hospital."

Maybe not, Congressman, but I'm betting the hospital passed the costs of the uninsured along by charging everyone else more, just as the ERs do now, which is exactly one of the problems health care reform addresses. And I'm not sure how the doctors' offices are going to react when they're told to send the bill for an MRI or colonoscopy to the patient's church.

Actually, that's wrong. I am sure how they're going to react. They're going to tell you to come back when you have some health insurance, or several thousand dollars. In cash, not (as failed tea party candidate Sue Lowden once suggested) in poultry.

So, anyway, it seems that there are at least some Teahadists who not only approve of, but are downright gleeful at, the idea of letting the uninsured simply expire.

Now we see why Sarah Palin was so upset by that hallucination she had about the "death panels" in the health care bill. She wanted to get rid of the bureaucratic middleman and let the Grim Reaper do his work free of all that government regulation they're always so heated up about.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, the current ABM (Anybody But Mitt) favorite of the tea party, told reporters the next day that he was "taken aback" by the crowd reaction to the question. I don't know why he was so surprised, though, at the idea that right-wingers would cheer at the mention of people dying.

At the last debate, one of the big applause lines came when NBC's Brian Williams, in the course of asking a question on the death penalty, noted that Texas under Perry had executed 234 death row inmates, "more than any other governor in modern times." The crowd cheered and whistled at the death toll.

Maybe next debate, Perry can put little stickers of nooses on the podium, like a fighter pilot putting his kills on the side of his plane. That'll really get their juices flowing.

See, here's the thing: The only lives wingnuts really care about are ones that haven't been born yet. Once you first see daylight, kid, you're on your own. Don't be poor, don't lose your job, don't get sick, and don't make any mistakes like failing to buy insurance.

Because in the Dickensian nightmare world the Teahadists fantasize about, "E Pluribus Unum" is Latin for "I Got Mine, So Step Off, Jack." And freedom's just another word for "we don't care if you live or die."

Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage.

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ProudYankee 8 months, 1 week ago

Well said, Dusty, another spot-on commentary about the sorry state of affairs we face. I can't wait to see how the Tea crowd tries to weasel around these facts.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Thanks! It's true...no matter how many examples of racist signs and statements seen and heard at Teahadist rallies, no matter how many crazy pronouncements their candidates and their minions make ("if ballots don't work then bullets will!") , they'll never own up to being associated with the party of racist, bullying, violent nutballs.

(Prepare now for post after post of "I know you are but what am I"?, attempts to change the subject, half-truths, smears, and outright Zombie Lies that have been debunked, yet continue to be repeated over and over. The most tiresome thing about the Teahadists is their predicatbility).

Here's the video by the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Am2bWQRNw&feature=player_embedded

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

You go DRjr. you have my vote. Minions ~ I like that word. I'll use it sometime.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Wilson, was right, Obama lied. And even though, he had the guts to tell it like it was, Wilson, was immediately reprimanded and apologized. Still waiting for Obama to apologize to doctors, when he said some of them would cut off someone's foot after looking at the pay scale for amputation. Still waiting for Grayson to apologize, too.

I heard about about three "yehs" in the crowd in response to Blitzer's question. Just as there are people on the left, who think what Obama has done, is not enough, and enough, will never be enough, so you have some on the extreme right, that feel one is in fact responsible for their own doing or undoing. I for one, do not like Ron Paul, because I consider him too extreme. But he has his followers, just as Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farakahn have theirs. You, Dusty, may find some of their language offensive, as I find some of Ron Paul's.

And as usual, Dusty, you had to get a Sarah slam in too. Now when medicaid and social security is slashed by half a trillion dollars, how is this NOT going to affect seniors and the poor in the care they will receive under Obamacare? When a select panel at Health Human Services, decides who gets what treatment, how is this not going to have an impact on the poor and elderly receiving care at government expense?

When Perry was asked about the death penalty in his state, part of his response was Texas people voted for the death penalty. He also said people that kill kids, policemen, and others, are going to meet with justice. People here the other week, were overwhelmingly appalled that Robert Kenneth Stewart did not get the death penalty for his shootings. There's an old 47 year case I am working on. A sixteen year old girl was stabbed and disfigured 47 times, stripped and then strangled. If the police can ever bring her killer to court, I will be hoping he gets the death penalty. Diane

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

See what I mean? "I know you are, etc" and Zombie Lie, right off the bat.

Yawn. Think I'll go walk the dog.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Still waiting for Obama to apologize to doctors, when he said some of them would cut off someone's foot after looking at the pay scale for amputation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG56B2... You can see what he said there. I didn't see anything worth apologizing about.

The fact is that if you don't get paid much to tend to preventive care, in at least some cases you won't do it as much and/or may drag your feet, and the result in time (for diabetics with bad circulation, etc) has been in many cases an eventual amputation.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

I heard the video again to see if the example was somewhat insensitive, but the point made is that a doctor will not hesitate to cut a leg when it looks like you are at a point where things might get worse, but a doctor is almost surely more hesitant to be aggressive with preventive steps that don't pay.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/diabetes-statistics/

Amputation

More than 60% of nontraumatic lower-limb amputations occur in people with diabetes.

In 2006, about 65,700 nontraumatic lower-limb amputations were performed in people with diabetes.

http://www.footphysicians.com/footankleinfo/diabetic-amputations.htm

Diabetic Complications and Amputation Prevention

People with diabetes are prone to having foot problems, often because of two complications of diabetes: nerve damage (neuropathy) and poor circulation.

What Your Foot and Ankle Surgeon Can Do

Your foot and ankle surgeon can help wounds heal, preventing amputation. There are many new surgical techniques available to save feet and legs, including joint reconstruction and wound healing technologies. Getting regular foot checkups and seeking immediate help when you notice something can keep small problems from worsening. Your foot and ankle surgeon works together with other health care providers to prevent and treat complications from diabetes.

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OldPilot 8 months, 1 week ago

For the Tea crowd answer see Allan Jefferys column. Jefferys thinks things are just fine, if only the pesky lawyers and malpractice would evaporate and we would ignore all the other factors that make health care unobtainable for those who are uninsured and do not qualify for Medicare or Medicade.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Shorter Jeffreys: "I'm all right Jack, so step off."

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Did I lie about Obama and the amputation line? Did I lie that Grayson has yet to apologize? Am I lying about the half trillion cut to Social security and medicaid under Obamacare? Is it a myth, that some states have the death penalty? Was I reading something different than the Pilot when there was outrage over Stewart not getting the death penalty? Were my ears overlapping when I heard about three "yehs" from Paul backers? All you can rebutt with is the same ole same old, Zombieland lies line. You'd think with you being a lawyer, you'd have more of variety of arguments up your sleeve to come back with. Diane

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Am I lying about the half trillion cut to Social security and medicaid under Obamacare?

Source that.

Were my ears overlapping when I heard about three "yehs" from Paul backers?

Three only? And some clapping, right?

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EsubioMaldia 8 months, 1 week ago

Well said, indeed!

Thank you.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

Thanks dusty. At a time when the median household income has gone downward, the trend is that some people are getting poorer according to Census data to the tune of 15.1% poverty rate. The poor are trying to make ends meet and having much more difficulty now than 10 years ago. Solution to this problem is not going to be easy. There are actually churches that are having fundraisers to help their poor and sick members and others in the community.. Since 1999 the median income has gone down 7.1% as jobs began to disappear. Households are doubling up with grown children still living with parents and that may actually be keeping the poverty rate lower but it has an impact on businesses and the housing market.. Unemployment, foreclosures, and problems with the debt crisis are rearing up a continued ugly head. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight for quite some time unless the cycle is broken. Go ahead and have that hamburger from the dollar menu. Someone's job depends on it and in this country you're in fat city as compared to others. The US has higher standards on the definition of poor or the poverty level.

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DaveyNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Eh, a few whack jobs in the audience do not condemn the whole Republican party or Tea Party movement. I'm certainly not going to defend the indefensible here, but my guess is that the doofuses who shouted "Yeah!" were Paulistas first, Tea Partiers second and Republicans not at all. Ron Paul's biggest problem is his followers.

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teufelhunden 8 months, 1 week ago

Somewhat true in my opinion. I think they're a little like Ralph Nader's peeps.

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skylinefirepest 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty...did you lose a big case or your wife left you, or something?? You can write a sensible column for the paper and then turn around and lose all your credibility because you start with the teapot, zombie, racist, bullhockey comments!! I personally feel that the left has just about ruined this country and the lying incompetent man in the house has done more harm than anybody since Jimmy Cahtah! But I don't call the other writers names and you lose your effectiveness when you do! Think it over.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Incompetent? Can you elaborate? Perhaps contrast with past Presidents?

Lying? Can you give us a list to work with?

Harm? Can you be more specific. Perhaps you forget the role Congress and past administrations (when the partying was taking place) plays here.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Jose_X

Really? Someone needs to spell that out for you?

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

If you want to. I hear all sorts of exaggerations on posting boards. And I'm not claiming there wouldn't be lists. Legitimate criticism is good, and inaccuracies or misunderstandings can be cleared up.

Have you taken a look at FactCheck? It's a great source. They hit both sides of the isle and also defend each side.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Let me add:

Have you ever taken a look at http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/about-this-blog/ or http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/my-second-reply-to-senator-hatch/

[From the introduction] >> As I told you before, I am a Republican who shares your aversion to increased government control, and a few years ago I might have been categorized as a “climate change skeptic” myself. I wasn’t an activist, by any means, but I bought into some of the same objections about uncertainty in models, and so on, that you bring up. When I really started looking into the issue, however, I had enough related expertise to realize that the skeptics I had been listening to were conveniently leaving out important information, throwing out red herrings, and focusing on grey areas having to do with details that wouldn’t really change the overall picture. I’m hoping I can help you see what I did.

[From near the conclusion] >> When you add all this up and boil it down, it’s hard to avoid the following conclusions. 1) Even if you’ve tried to get up to speed on the science of climate change, there are still very large gaps in your understanding of the basics. 2) Some of the scientists you are getting your information from have taken advantage of these gaps to mislead you about the state of the evidence regarding the fundamental scientific questions. 3) You have been susceptible to this manipulation by this tiny minority of climate scientists because it’s more convenient, in terms of our shared political ideology, to believe there is no climate change problem to solve, since most of the solutions proposed so far have involved greater government regulation. Or at least, you find it convenient to “keep an open mind,” which allows you to do essentially nothing while avoiding head-to-head confrontations with the majority of climate scientists.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Considering how illiterate most of your posts are, I wouldn't recommend you as the person to spell anything out for anyone.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

How old are you DR. I actually know but when I read your posts, I can't believe you much more than 4 or 5.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

I'd be curious to know to what extent you are referring to social policies, to what extent economic policies, to what extent international policies, etc.

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Tea partiers, Conservatives, Republicans: It's time to throw in the towel and admit it. We're not fooling anybody anymore, especially Dusty. You were right all along, Dusty. We surrender! You win! Just let all the uninsured die.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

No, that's the Tea Party plan, Geoff.

At one time, the Republicans had a proposed health care plan that looked a lot like the one passed recently. Of course that was back when the GOP was at least somewhat sane, before it turned the reins over to the ditto-heads, anti-science wackos, and other looney tunes.

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JK 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty...the whole bunch of them on the hill are turds...your boy Obama just happens to be the biggest.

As far as the uninsured, I could care less. So yes, let those unwilling to care for themselves or get healthcare fall by the wayside.

Hopefully Darwinism is alive and well

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greentara13 8 months, 1 week ago

So I'm unwilling to care for myself, because I'm uninsured? I am working two jobs, paying off my mortgage, student loans and pay medical out of my pocket and you hope Darwinism is alive and well? If you knew anything about Darwin, you would know it is adaptability that makes humans unique to survive, not just the "strongest". I dare you to live a week in my shoes and then make petty little remarks about Darwinism, you "turd". Gee, hope you didn't waste your hour today at church.

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pacer 8 months, 1 week ago

You have reached a whole new low!

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Of course it's the plan! I just can't understand how you figured it out? Truly amazing powers of deductive reasoning and analytical skill. Uncanny!

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Saying something sarcastically doesn't make it untrue. :-)

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Who's being sarcastic? And once all the unisured are dead, just wait to see who the tea party wants to kill next. They won't be done killing until America is made up of angry white males only. I thought you knew that. Boy! You'll really have some material then.

I see there are some new players at the table this week. And windy ones too.

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buddysmith 8 months, 1 week ago

any 30 year old, that is whinning about being uninsured, needs to take a long look in the mirror. if you are 30 years old you should be responsible enough, at that age, to have some type of health insurance. if not, you are probably in the "pay me because i am in the entitlement" class of americans who are sitting on their butts and letting the rest of us pay for them.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

if you are 30 years old you should be responsible enough, at that age, to have some type of health insurance

There oughta be a law. Oh, wait, there is.

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buddysmith 8 months, 1 week ago

no there shouldnt be a law, the government should not be involved in heath care at all, but to you socialists, you will never get that through your head! watch what happens in 2012, the people of america will send a message to which you socialists will be extremely upset! heck, maybe lawyers that jump on frivilous lawsuits to earn a dollar may have to pay legal expenses for the winners! now that should be a law!!!!!

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Alright, let's say you hardly have enough to meet month obligations, you wouldn't take your chances if you are rather healthy? Or would you cut back on food (that would really increase the chances you get sick)? What would you do?

The privileged class of this nation, who get so many advantages by this government, are the ones with the entitlement problem. Their advantages largely depend, day in and out, on their wealth. The government is like an insurance agency who, if this were the private sector, would charge a fee (tax) based on the total wealth in order to recognize it and use force to keep everyone else away from such assets (even if the others have human needs that in a civil society should trump property rights when push came to shove).

The people using the courts to protect and amass fortunes, fortunes that become easier and easier the more money you have ( a feedforward system that creates a very lopsided playing field in favor of the very wealthy), cry about the taxes they are already underpaying. Perhaps our government should stop recognizing their assets for failure to pay a wealth tax. I'm sure if you didn't pay your insurance premiums, the insurance company would laugh if you asked them to make you whole for losses.

Maybe the government should stop selling land and public resources to private groups who already have beyond a certain point. That is the smart move, to lease, not to sell. The wealthy are indulged by our government. Heck, for lifting 2 fingers, $100 million can crank out a few million annually through US bonds. That is sick. No even playing exists in the US economy.

Capital gains at 15%!! Sit on your arse making millions or billions and paying less percent than people working their buttocks off?

The people who do the vast majority of the work for this nation are denied by our government from a fair chance to profit. The cream of all of that work is given over to the owner class who does a tiny amount of the work. This is the government that ignored the rights of native Americans to take the land for the benefit of the owner class. Wealth multiplies into more wealth while everyone else is forced to negotiate from a position of weakness against the owner class.

The wealthy elite are damn afraid to play on a level playing field or to pay their fair dues in wealth tax. And they are rather dishonest about this whole matter. ["Flat income taxes" -- what a joke!]

Oh, and getting back to health insurance, take a look at Sicko to see many examples of people abused by the insurance firms by design. Anything they could do to cut you short by some technicality when your moment of pain comes.

Our government empowers these entitlement privileged cry-babies crying over taxes despite being empowered to own huge levers against everyone else.

We need MORE job creators. As long as we allow so few to control so much, we will have to continue to have few job creators and injustice.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Looks as though you aren't going to point out what the zobieland lies are in my post, Dusty.

I wonder if Dusty and his backers, will be able to defend the special waivers big Unions got and companies like McDonald's got.

Diane

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

You lied when you said Obama claimed doctors "would cut off someone's foot after looking at the pay scale for amputation." Total lie. Not at all what he said. Look it up.

Diane, you lie so consistently here that I think it's now up to you to provide proof whenever you make one of your wild claims. No one here can believe a word you say becuase you so consistently just make stuff up, and frankly you spew this tripe at such a prodigious rate (you must have lots of time on your hands) that it's a full time job just trying to keep up. Sorry, I have better things to do with my time, so let's just take it as a default that every time you post, I've called every single word you write a lie and demand that you back it up.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Sorry, unlike you I do have a life outside of answering the five or six anonymous trolls who apparently have nothing else to do but post here.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

Remember. You have a lively fan club that loves you; some cannot wait to show up from all over the place. ;-)

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

I posted that clip above as well in a reply.

You did not quote well, and you misrepresented what was being said, IMO.

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peterpun 8 months, 1 week ago

The republican solution for the uninsured needing health care. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rw5Mo...

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

I see Rhoades lied and is back posting. He told us all in post a few days ago he was done. He is as big a liar as I know and each week he feels the need to get on here and spill his hate speech on the page just to hear the raving reviews and praise of the idiots that believe in his hatred of anyone that doesn't think the way he does.

Does anyone actually think this nut is gonna to go against the very people he makes his living off of and that being the people dont believe in personal responsibility. I think I will go cancel my property insurance and if my house burns down, I will fully expect the government that dusty the mule believes in to come rebuild my house...of course with many additional ammenities that i don't currently have now. After all I shouldn't worry, its not my money. Right?

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

"Dusty the mule"? What the heck? This is weirder than the freak who posted the other day about me and "my gang."

And you still don't have the guts to throw out any of your insults under your real name, you nutless wonder.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

It's so easy to get under Dustine's skin.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

So you admit all you're doing is trolling. Thanks for that.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Another of your dumbass assumpions liar

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Still too much of a sniveling coward to say that to my face or even use your real name, troll.

And learn to spell, you illiterate boob.

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

DR jr. Comments attacking one's character is the main reason those who voted to not have to post their names. Just goes to the content of some of those who hid behind their keyboards and throw out condescending remarks.

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irkim13 8 months, 1 week ago

How about no one throw out any condescending remarks whether annonymous or not.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

Thank goodness someone has some sense! Thank you!!!!!!

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Is that your excuse ToDoNothing?

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Yukonjohn 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty, we agree on many things, but not this one. I, too, am a Ron Paul supporter, even knowing that he will never get the nomination. (although he just won the Ca. straw poll) I also believe that the govt. should help those that try but cannot help themselves, such as the elderly or those just down and out. If a 30something has a good job and can buy health ins. and chooses not to, then falls to some terrible disaster, then yes, maybe let a few of them die so the rest that can afford ins. but want to let someone else pay for it get the message!! I do realize that l do not fall into that category, but our country is broke!! I do not know the absolute correct answer, but we have to do something. I do know we will never be able to spend our way out of this mess, that's for sure!!

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

The insurance market is a tricky one to make for-profit because that promotes denying insurance payouts and coming out with all sorts of variation contracts that are designed by mathematical analysis for profit companies to maximize what they take in and minimize what they put out.

It's fine to pressure the health industries to cut costs, but what you get as well is limited competition (very large safe insurance suppliers) who have a huge advantage in the market against buyers. The result is very high prices and inhumane coverage terms.

Insurance of luxury goods is very different than insurance of health. Losing a good is not comparable to losing a life.. and you put physicians and many others under a very difficult position.

There is a reason many states require universal car insurance, but the insurance industry is very wealthy and spends a lot of money to take out of office those who don't play ball.

The Sicko clip I linked to from one of the comments has a part near the middle where a lady makes a very moving speech because she felt so guilty after a very successful career in that industry doing a great job denying coverage and allowing people to die. She was rewarded for death is roughly how she saw it.

"Obamacare" is not perfect by a long shot as written today, but getting something in the door was important.

And I personally think a part of the problem we have is our patent system. It's terribly broken and unsuitable for some industries (like software), but in all industries it has a fair chance of hurting our economy. It makes the industry as a whole wealthy, but that costs society. Patents are broad monopolies enforced by our government on what can be rather incremental ideas that many might come up with independently. It makes no sense to pick a winner 20 years in advance (out of all the many that will come up with something similar). It promotes litigation by "losers" and by those who simply game the system and have no intention or skill of developing interesting products. Even with quality products (say a drug), it allows for outrageous pricing for a long time (20 years). And as anything else, it leverages the public for lots of research to then allow the first one to cross the finish line in this team effort to lock everyone else down.

Want to criticize Obamacare? Consider instead complaining loudly about our market distorting patent system. We need something more modest than a 20 year monopoly (if any monopoly) to deal with our very large and fast paced world.

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fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

"At which point, members of the tea party audience began shouting "Yes! YEAH!" to scattered laughter and applause."

Thats odd. I just listened to it. I heard 2-3 knuckleheads out of a thousand or more shout "yeah or yes". I heard no laughter or applause so if it occurred at all it was miniscule.

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fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

What ever happened to Grayson anyway?

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

He got voted out of office in the 2010 race....His opponent & winning Republican candidate Webster got 56% of the vote while Grayson got 38%. To use Obama's words...He got shellacked! Mike

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Roorke 8 months, 1 week ago

Listen to the agreement of those standing behind Obama in Mike's You-tube posting above when Obama talks about the doctors. Diana, I feel disgusted when Rhodes calls you a liar, this coming from lawyer who makes a living calling speeding in an automobile ''improper equipment''.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Listen to what he says. It wasn't what was quoted.

He expresses the reality that physicians are not rewarded for taking preventive actions, which, in the case of Diabetes, many times each year leads to a loss of limb that in a number of cases where such amputations might have been avoidable or delayable. It is not realistic to expect doctors to put as much time into preventive care actions if that doesn't pay... so eventually, as Obama said, we reach a point where cutting off the limb becomes a reasonable action. [Doctors have no incentive to hesitate here because Medicare does pay decently for that.. and, at that point, it is a cheaper option than other options and it certainly can help save a life vs not treating it.]

So Obama made a factual statement about a broken part of our system that does hurt individuals, and this was quoted and presented as Obama making a disgusting attack on physicians (using words he did not make).

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Roorke 8 months, 1 week ago

How many surgeons counsel patients on proper care for diabetes? A nurse could do that, so what the President was saying Medical Surgeons get paid too much. The President knew what he was saying, he is a professional politician and has never really done anything else. Being new to office, one was not aware of his abilility to attack certain groups of people in political speeeches as now witnessed almost daily. The medical doctors soon surrendered to President Obama, that being 2009, but I wonder who they will support in the 2012 election.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Jose, I will correct myself, it was when Obama made the statement that a doctor might take out a kid's tonsils to make more money for himself. Check out politfact, and you will find your answer to the half trillion dollar cut in medicare. And yeh you're ears were overlapping. I heard about three yehs and I did hear clapping. But as I stated originally, I am not a Ron Paul supporter and just as you gotta few on the left, we gotta few on the right. And if I remember right, DUSTY, Bill Ayers, Obama's buddy, was sorry he didn't blow up more buildings. Oh but oops, Obama said he isn't a good friend of Ayers, so it must be so, just as he never heard a word Wright said about "chickens coming home to roost, etc.". I consistently lie? Tried a mirror lately? Diane

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Jose, I will correct myself,

Nice that you do that once you get caught lying.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

I think that was a reasonable mistake (not a prob). We comment here so people can challenge and post corrections... I think.

I also think the example about extremists is generally correct, although you want to make sure the politicians are not catering to those people if possible (certainly in the case of violence). Then again, talk of violence (which beats not venting and acting instead) is an expression of lots of frustration. Most people, when confronted with a particular case, will be human and not abide by the tough talk.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

I think that was a reasonable mistake

You may be right but Mike's demonstrated history of lies and misrepresentation would indicate otherwise. Still, even a pathological liar may just be shockingly ill-informed.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

Check out politfact, and you will find your answer to the half trillion dollar cut in medicare.

I may not check (or may, I don't know), but surely we can all believe that some reasonable savings can be made in Medicare. More importantly, cutting into X or Y is part of the forced compromise for funding "Obamacare" because of the huge resistance there has been to raising taxes on the most privileged Americans and corporations, despite near historical lows in tax rates, near highs in poverty rate, near lopsided worsts in wealth distribution, etc. If we raise taxes to help pay and even out the lopsided playing field most people don't want or consider fair, then universal health insurance would not need to be funded on the backs of such cuts (which, if left for the future, can still be undone if revenues rise without allowing most of the profits to go to the already wealthy controlling elite). A lot of countries have gotten universal health care to work for their citizens. You see much less grief over medical costs in those nations. People can enjoy life more and work with fewer concerns. Surely, the US can make this thing work.

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GJohn 8 months, 1 week ago

Or, maybe some of those 30 year olds had to drop out of college because of the cost and had to take a minimum-wage job with no benefits. Or, maybe their drug-head parents left them to be raised by grandparents who worked three minimum-wage job to keep food on the table. Or, I know, maybe they deliberately got a life-threatening disease, you know, like cancer or something to really tick off the hard-working citizens of this country and lie up in bed running up hospital bills - all for free and paid for by you-know-who! You know, you people who have sailed through life with no problems need to develop some compassion for those who do have problems. You're starting to sound a little judgmental. Is your last name Bush?

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

So the current party line is "hey it was only a couple of voices" hollering to let the guy die.

I wonder what the right wing reaction would be if one voice cheered for the word "abortion" during a Dem debate. I suspect we'd have the usual wingnut freak-out for DAYS.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Since you brought up abortion for the second time...First in your article and now a ficticious Republican response during another ficticious democratic debate. Let's discuss the issue. You state that..."The only lives wingnuts really care about are ones that haven't been born yet." Of course that is dusty's slanted / biased opinion of which lives Republicans care about...Not actual reality.

But....Is there a problem with Republicans caring about the lives of the unborn? There have been well over 53 Million legally reported abortions sine Roe Vs Wade. Approximately nine times that of the total number of Jewish citizens butchered by the Nazi's. Does that not nauseate the average or normal human being; let alone Americans? These butchered infants are said to not be a human being? Than why does 38 states have fetal homicide laws? Why do 21 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy defined as any state of gestation, conception, fertilization or post-fertilization? Why do so many states want it both ways? Any chance eing some sort of 'lawyer thing' to cash in on a legally 'non existant' cash cow?

I'm proud that Republicans do care for the unborn. Those poor little guys and girls who need protection as they cannot protect themselves; but the slaughter continues and dusry rhoades obviously approves of each and every mutilated little corpse, discarded as toxic wate and incinerated as it is the legal thing a mother can do for her unborn child if she chooses to do so. What kind of "Freak Out" would you call that dusty rhodes since them little dudes will never have a freak or shout out or even a say so of any kind in this world.....Mike

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

I wish this topic of abortion (and perhaps all topics) weren't politicized.

There are many people who fret a lot about animal killings, not seeing any particular universal reason for human life to be considered about other lives. It's interesting to consider how far this idea can be taken (virus, bacteria, amoebas, a cluster of cells living in your body which likely will die and be replaced shortly, ...). At what point is forced death "unacceptable".

The main concern about people who want to leave a way out for mothers (and for the potential worse future of the unborn) is the likelihood of pain being felt by the fetus (100 cells? 1 billion cells? 1 trillion?). We also might worry that more pain comes from having more experiences and having felt more intense sensations (as happens after birth). And we also care about the mother's well being and life. Tough judgement calls will have to be made in any scenario.

I think we can all agree that universal health care would likely lead to many fewer abortions. What mother wants to be in that situation? Think about it. If you don't care about babies at all (let's assume), then you likely don't want the inconvenience and risks of a surgical procedure, social stigma, possibility you might feel remorse later, the costs that come with being pregnant. If we had a stronger social safety net and opportunities for women (besides being seen as reproducers of males, as some males surely see them).. if we had greater access to information and drugs to prevent inception.. if we had less poverty or a way for the state or society to raise any baby well where the mother decided they couldn't do a good job... then we would have a lot fewer abortions.

This is a tough situation to be in for a mother [I am a male but feel comfortable making that statement], and I have to believe that if "Obamacare" (what's the actual name for this bill???) had not been politicized, something that almost surely is being fed by some dollars from the insurance industry and or at least from political sources, that more people would embrace a good health insurance bill, as it can really help resolve a number of difficult health related scenarios for many people, including leading to fewer abortions.

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greentara13 8 months, 1 week ago

Thank you, excellent point!

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Mike criticizes me for this:

."The only lives wingnuts really care about are ones that haven't been born yet."

Then proceeds to rant on about the unborn with never a word for the uninsured, the poor, etc.

I rest my case.

This, and the other wingnut comments here, are why I sarcastically call the GOP "The Party of Love."

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greentara13 8 months, 1 week ago

Yes Dusty, you are correct! I owe you a Jack and Coke!

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

In other words dusty rhodes...You have no comment (As Usual) on the very words that YOU chose to use in your column....Mike

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Actually, I did comment on the fact that you proved my point...so you just proved again what a pathological liar you are. Thanks, Mike!

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CC85 8 months, 1 week ago

Hilarious...every Sunday, the wing-nuts blow a gasket over Dusty's commentary....his most loyal readers!

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

As said previously, his fan club can't wait to get here from all over the place.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

I do it all for the fans :-)

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Well written DRjr. The Republicans' bill for former middle class who used to afford health insurance before Political Packs: The Kevorkian Health Care Solutions for the sick, the lame, and the poor. Needle up folks ... cause no one can afford health care other than Senators and Congressman and Women. Are there any medical practices accepting Aneta Health Insurance? The creators of the HDP. Also referred to as the High Deductible Premium coverage starting at $10,000.00. The rest is up to policy holders...ergo they have insurance coverage!

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Samuel Clemens must have known Dusty

'You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

He also must have know MC7

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Perhaps another wide-eyed mistake. Ever heard of John Chappell who also contributes to the Pilot? He's played Samuel Clemens on TV before, ergo the outfit. DR jr. states the obvious while you toss out puns. Typical of right-wingers who have no conception of reality.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

DR states the obvious which is exactly what ToDoNothing??

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty, "Just Let the Uninsured Die?", you just really made my evening. Thanks for still caring and telling THE TRUTH. Those TEAPOTS are so far off from knowing what's right from wrong, how are we gonna survive if anyone of them gets elected? The misinformation and/or LIES that they are allowed to speak to a somewhat ignorant populace is almost criminal. The stories I could tell from my years as a Medicaid Caseworker would RIP your HEARTS out(Do TEAPOTS have HEARTS?). They are TRUE stories of the uninsured and the under insured who came upon personal health emergencies and needed HELP. I cannot reveal very much except to say that many of the stories would shock you, not only because of the health issues but because of who had them and who had some insurance and who had NONE. We can prepare for as much that life throws at us as possible but needless to say when the AIDS epidemic hit, NO ONE was prepared. I was there at the beginning and there were those who had some insurance and those who had none. The GOVERNMENT was there to HELP. HELP...a concept the TEAPOTS seem to not care for. Dog Eat Dog, Survival of the fittest. That's for animals, not HUMAN BEINGS. The Affordable Health Care Act will reduce Medicare by reducing payments to providers(they need to be salaried in my opinion). Premiums will increase for higher incomed members. There will be administration changes too. Nothing was "STOLEN", our Congress made the changes legally. And as far as abortion, MikeNC. It's a matter of PRIVACY, between a WOMAN, her Physician and HER GOD. Stay out of it, as you TEAPOTS are always championing or else your hypocricy will render you illegititmate.

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fugitiveguy 8 months, 1 week ago

I am glad you are here to present so succinctly the viewpoint of the average leftist? You should weigh in more often.

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

It's a matter of PRIVACY, between a WOMAN, her Physician and HER GOD. Stay out of it

The arguments against abortion by pro-life side support the view of a fetus being a life worth protecting as much as any other life. In that case, what you say sounds rather foolish since a woman might have a doctor and god that support sacrificial murder of young virgin teenagers. I don't think the state or most people are going to say "oh, ok, if you god says it's fine murdering certain little boys and girls so that your god is satiated, then I have no problems with it."

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

MC, "And as far as abortion", you forgot about the FATHER or in the case of a same-sex couple, the other WOMAN.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Moon- exactly what is your proof that the tea party members don't know what's right from wrong? What exact LIES and MISINFORMATION are you stating to back those statements?

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Jose_X 8 months, 1 week ago

"Behind the poverty numbers: real lives, real pain" AP By DAVID CRARY

At a food pantry in a Chicago suburb, a 38-year-old mother of two breaks into tears.

She and her husband have been out of work for nearly two years. Their house and car are gone. So is their foothold in the middle class and, at times, their self-esteem.

nearly one in six Americans lives in poverty — a record 46.2 million people.

There's Tim Cordova, laid off from his job as a manager at a McDonald's in New Mexico, and now living with his wife at a homeless shelter after a stretch where they slept in their Ford Focus.

There's Bill Ricker, a 74-year-old former repairman and pastor whose home is a dilapidated trailer in rural Maine. He scrapes by with a monthly $1,003 Social Security check. His ex-wife also is hard up; he lets her live in the other end of his trailer.

There's Brandi Wells, a single mom in West Virginia, struggling to find a job and care for her 10-month-old son. "I didn't realize that it could go so bad so fast," she says.

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Try to explain away the millions paid to Congress and Senators from PAC's. Here's your link: http://www.opensecrets.org

see who and how much Congressman Howard Coble received from the pharmaceutical and hospital associations. And for the right wing moral majority, his donations from the beer and wine industry. Maybe that's why he received so much from attorneys to promote legislation supporting stricter laws with legal loopholes to challenge the laws in support of larger fees.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

The 46.2 million in poverty is the figure for 2010. I wonder what it will be for 2011.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Moonchild, your comments of ...."And as far as abortion, MikeNC. It's a matter of PRIVACY, between a WOMAN, her Physician and HER GOD. Stay out of it"

I guess Hitler could have made a similar argument. Actually I won't stay out of it as long as I have the right to freely express my opinion on an issue when someone else brought the topic up. And I am glad that the Republican party stands up for these forgotten slaughtered millions. It's not a political thing Jose, it's a moral thing which clearly demonstrates what type of society we have become.

And dusty road, I at least know where you stand on the 93,000,000+ and the upcoming millions or billions awaiting what's in store for them...they do not matter. At least the poor and uninsured and everyone else in America had a shot in life. They had a childhood, experienced life and having fun, experiencing pain and suffering which we all endure to some degree, made decisions on which direction in life they wanted to pursue. The unborn are just that...never born to experience any of that. Just unborn pathogenic waste to be incinerated (How Ironic) ...Mike

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dlb 8 months, 1 week ago

Actually death is the answer to many of the worlds problems. For example pollution, energy, sufficient food and water, rising health care costs and global warming.

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

And the Kevorkian Health Care Solutions for America's under insured, unemployed, and on public assistance. Problem solved...Go Boehner!

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

Great piece Dusty. I especially like where you said and I quote you: "Don't be poor, don't lose your job, don't get sick, and don't make any mistakes like failing to buy insurance. "E Pluribus Unum" is Latin for "I Got Mine, So Step Off, Jack." And freedom's just another word for "we don't care if you live or die."" However, I never thought you would feel this way.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

He's got you thinking. :))

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Jose: Over 2.5 million more people are now in poverty, since 2009. If oil companies could begin to drill, they would be hiring over 1 1/2 million people. It would also, instantly reduce gas prices, which in turn, would put extra money into peoples' pockets. If we would give companies who went overseas a waiver on taxes, to come back here and hire within 12 months, we would see employment rise. (Yes, I would want to see stipulations that they would indeed hire, otherwise, pay a penalty.) While Obama is trying to make the patent laws more flexible and easier, but it is being countered with the amount of new regulations on businesses. How is a person suppose to take the risk of dumping millions of dollars of his money and others into an abyss of uncertainity? If Bernake would turn off the printing press at the Treasury, banks would begin to loan again, instead of buying up treasury backed bonds. Start reforming the tax code, to include closing the loopholes and level the playing field for small businesses to have an equal chance against large corporations and also stop the subsidies for oil and ethanol. But even Clinton has come out and said raising taxes as Obama is now proposing in his Buffet Plan, is not a good idea now. We are right now on the brink of of another recession. Free up the ridiuculous laws preventing people from shopping for health insureance in another state. People who are at the poverty level, recieving government vouchers to help subsidize their payments. There is much more work to do on healthcare, but it's a start. Diane

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

You can not help the poor by destroying the rich. You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You can not bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You can not lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You can not further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You can not build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You can not help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. Abraham Lincoln. Diane

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

So Mike you support the 17% tax on the most wealthy while the working former middle class pay 29%. By the way, that's 17% before the tax loopholes which brings the most wealthy's tax obligation down to about -0-...Jet Fuel please! Bank of America owns three and are foreclosing on more homes than are being built. Go rich people...all the way to the bank. Wonder why there are no jobs? Corporations are banking more money the past two years than in decades past. Go Boehner....

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

Are you speaking of income tax or capital gains?

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

H2 the capital gains tax was resended by a bill when Richard Morgan was a representative in Raleigh, big contributors with big money. In NC, no one pays tax on Capital Gains. Warren Buffet said that his secretary pays 29% of income tax on her salary; he on the hand, pays 17%. His last tax bill was 8 million and should his tax rate be raised to the 29% that his secretary pays, he would pay an additional 5.5 million. In total, if the rich folks paid a 12% increase, over a 5 year period that would generate 742 Billion in new tax revenue. The Republicans are opposed to any increase on the wealthy. So the poor and former middle class will have to continue to foot the bill.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Guess what Todo, the poor and former middle class will still continue to foot the bill. Do you truly think politicians will drop the amount of taxes the poor and former middle class pays??? If you do, I have some things I would like to sell you as well.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

Thank you for your rational explanation. I do try to listen and learn but may not always agree. Now tell me why you're so snarky later on.

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

H2 ~ depends on who is attaching me...Just like IJMO in the thread above. Todo isn't an acronym for To/mmy Da/vis...Dumb people shouldn't attempt to write on public boards. That's why he or she hides behind their pseudo screen name. They don't want anyone to know they are educationally challenged.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

Attaching? Guess you mean attacking. And I was not attacking you. Just asking people to not call names (as you just did above, which now is pretty funny given that you made that "attaching" error:)....see just kidding).

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teufelhunden 8 months, 1 week ago

Of course DR is talking in the extreme just to get folks all riled up and from the looks of all these posts, it's working. It's called pot stirring. Great job DR. I think you got the pearl clutching thing down pat. That's what you accuse "the other side" of doing. This is like a crappy ping pong match. Over and out.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Toda is your brain on a lunch break? I said I support closing tax loopholes on the corporations, so they don't get the deductions that small businesses don't get. I don't care if Bank of America has three corporate jets or 300, I haven't been keeping score. Apparently you do. Perhaps we should all post how many cars and or trucks we own, so we can see who owns more and therefore pay more in taxes because we own more than the overall average posted. You want to thank someone for the foreclosures, thank Barney and Chris. Diane

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

" who went overseas a waiver on taxes, to come back here and hire within 12 months,"

now that's closing loopholes Diane! So ~ what are the corporations doing with the trillions in income since they aren't hiring? You were speaking to closure of loopholes and you want to waive taxes? That dog won't hunt....

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Hey I'll trade my '98 Chevrolet Tracker for a Lear Jet any day. Matter of fact, I'll throw in the house and property. You don't find it a bit ironic when the bank executives flew to Washington on their corporate jets to ask for a handout, it was like a slap in the fact of taxpayers? Nor did you find it interesting that once they received billions in taxpayer money, Bank of America purchased three new Lear Jets with out money? I do. When people are being removed from their homes because of the banks and Hedgefund brokers. Look up Countrywide Financial Mortgage Services that was purchased by Bank of America. Then think in terms of the unemployed and how many are being foreclosed ~ right here in Poorer County no less....Bfat can provide all the statistics one would care to digest...by the way, having lunch in a few minutes....

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Boner or is it Boehner?

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Geezzz jpb God forbid it we ever forget the VP and Halliburton...and those sweetheart deals for billions of tax dollars in those no bid contracts. O' 'well, the banks got us the first time around, now it's those companies offering jobs. In the words of Boehner, "taxes are off the table - period".

let the former middle class pay 29% instead of the 3%-ers paying their share at 29% as opposed to the 17% they pay now! Lets just stop taxing the wealthy and pay the corporations to lend Government some money, so we can stop borrowing from China.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

What are some of those sweetheart deals ther Todo?

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Government contracts to rebuild Iraq. Re-sell equipment to the Iraq government. Develop oil and gas supplies. "The Iraq contracts are cost-plus: the government reimburses the company for its costs, then adds on a profit of 2 percent to 7 percent. Critics say this creates a perverse incentive: the more you spend, the more you make. The Pentagon says this type of flexible contract is necessary in a war zone."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1559574

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Toda, read what I wrote the first time and read it slowly. Your twisting what I posted.Diane

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

"Your twisting what I posted.Diane"

not like Wendy's, you can't have it both ways. I think those companies who moved their paperwork like Coke to another country should have to pay a substantial tax in order to do business in this county. But wait...the cruse-line industry has avoided paying taxes in this country for decades. If they dock up ... they should pay up. Disney cruse lines isn't registered in the US. Wow ~ what a way to avoid paying like the rest of America. All those who have moved should have to leave our shores, and then look at the entrepreneurial opportunities for small business. But screwing the American people is the American way ... for Washington and Corporate America.

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bobbylaton 8 months, 1 week ago

After seeing several comments online about the responses to Wolf Blitzer's question to Ron Paul, I decided to watch and read about the responses. Needless to say many dumb liberals did not hear or care to hear the question. Blitzer said was this was a (1) HEALTHY 30 year old, (2) that had a GOOD JOB (3) made GOOD MONEY and (4) CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. Years ago I sold Life and Health Insurance. Usually when a young couple would inquire about buying Health Insurance was AFTER the wife became pregnant. The question Blitzer asked Ron Paul appears to have been a trick question and some people in the audience knew it was coming. That was not Ron Paul saying "let him die." That was Blitzer trying to imply that was what Paul said.

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

Here is the very sad story of a man who just died on 9/5/11 because he had NO health insurance because he was unemployed. Kyle Willis was 24 yrs old and had a tooth ache so he went to a dentist. The dentist told him his wisdom tooth was infected and he needed it extracted but Kyle did not have the money for the proceedure. The next week his face and head began to swell, he went to the Emergency Room at the Hospital where they told him his infection had spread and was given two prescriptions one for pain and the other for the infection. Kyle didn't have the money for the anti-biotic(they are expensive)and so because of his inability to have the money to purchase said anti-biotic he DIED. He DIED the way Alan Grayson said people would start dying if the republicans got their way. The Teapots do not want National Health Care,ever,ever,ever. This would NOT have happened to a RICH person. Our system is FAILING in more ways than one and it almost seems that the Teapots want it to FAIL. Keeping the poor and unemployed without healthcare is criminal. And Diane I told you to "stay out of it" because our Supreme Court answered this WAY BACK in 1973! It's a private matter and that "Mother's conversation" I mentioned doesn't deserve your condemnation. You can say all that you want whenever you want but your statement that the unborn is pathogenic waste is sick. The unborn fetus BELONGS to the Mother, this still forming baby is attached to the Mother and while the father of course has a role in the future, it's the here and now of what is best for the WOMAN and her HEALTH, both PHYSICAL and MENTAL.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

What I said about the fetus being pathogenic waste is sick you say...I'm only stating how the abortionist treats it by government regulations and that is as pathogenic waste. It's odd that a fact like that makes you sick, but the 93 + MILLION barbaric procedures that have been performed since 1973 is OK with you. Talk about being dumbed down. How about checking out how many abortions are done solely for the purpose of the so called mother not having to be burdened with a child...not all that "what's medically best malarky". Here is a short video of a parent not wanting their daughter being punished because she made a mistake and got pregnant....being burdened. Do you know this same man believes in infanticide? Of course you do...Is that OK with you as well...These little unborns sure have a sound health care plan they rely on. Mike

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nothingspecial 8 months, 1 week ago

I think we're just glimpsing Dusty's weekly hobby: Egg on groups he obviously dislikes with a bunch of nasty comments that they're sure to howl at. Then the never fail legal type final condition that is always some variation of: "(Prepare now for post after post of "I know you are but what am I"?, attempts to change the subject, half-truths, smears, and outright Zombie Lies that have been debunked, yet continue to be repeated over and over. The most tiresome thing about the Teahadists is their predicatbility)".

Bravo Dusty, self-medication for your demons and you even get paid for it.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

He's just toeing the progressive party line: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals"

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

"I illustrate absurdity by being absurd" -Rush Limbaugh.

Really, "honesty", name-checking Saul Alinsky is easily one of the laziest and lamest tools in the right wing box. He's become the Emmanuel Goldstein of the Two Minutes Hate, circa 2011.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

So please explain your rationale for the continued name-calling and incessant insults (in your articles and in your response posts).

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Because you and the people you support are so incredibly stupid, vicious, and venal that the only sane response is savage mockery.

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

Two peas in a pod, you two.

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bobbylaton 8 months, 1 week ago

Too many people are missing the point. Blitzer said the man was a healthy 30 year old, had a good job, made good money and CHOOSE not to have health insurance. What would you do to help this man ? If he was healthy, had a good job, making good money, what was he doing with the money? Having a good time while many are just getting by? Please read and watch Blitzer's question again.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

So are you in the "let 'im croak" camp, then?

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bobbylaton 8 months, 1 week ago

What are you willing to give up to pay for the guys medical bill? If I am not willing to pay my doctor bills will you pay them for me. Some one has to pay the doctor bills. If I have a good job, make good money and choose not to have insurance to pay attorney bills who should pay my attorney fees if I need one? Maybe that's the problem - taxpayers pay the prosecutors and for the defendants attorney. Works good for some people. Win - Win, Money - Money for the attorneys. You deliberately failed to mention in your column that Wolf Blitzer said the guy was a healthy 30 year old, had a good job, made good money and choose not to have health insurance. This was very obvious a trick question, with some in the audience waiting for Wolf Blitzer's "Let Him Die" interjection. Blitzer knew that people like you and others that have responded to your column would make it sound like this guy was out of work, and was broke. This was a hypothetical question and without knowing this guy could have been a millionaire.

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bobbylaton 8 months, 1 week ago

The question was, "who was responsible for paying his bills." The question was not whether or not to let him die. Most Attorneys want their money up front before representing a client. If a client has assets he doesn't get a free lawyer - right or wrong? Would you suggest that all attorneys work for the government and represent all the people for free?

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

You already pay his medical bill in the form of higher prices and therefore higher premiums for health insurance. If one guy doesn't pay, prices go up for everyone. That's what the individual mandate (once supported by your former frontrunner) seeks to address. Without it, the choices are let costs go up to cover the uninsured who end up in the ER, or "let 'em die." Which camp are you in? You yammer about me avoiding your question but you have yet to answer mine.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Excellent catch Bobbylaton...Don't be expecting an intelligent or sane reply however from DR...solid questions as yours are either completely ignored or answered with snark...Mike

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

I still support the Kevorkian Health Care Solution as well as the Republicans'. If a sick person can't pay for the Gold Card Treatment, then stick'm and put them out of their pain and misery. In a year or two, the wealthy will have to clean their own toilets.

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

I have yet been able to understand a "mentality" that inhabits the minds of a "certain" group of people who want to bring back coat-hanger abortions, wagon trains, women at home barefoot and pregnant, blacks in the back of the bus again, churches and/or neighbors trying to take care of all the elderly, disabled and ill, six-shooter gun-toting "civilian" lawmen everywhere and even voter supressive I.D.'s. Of coarse Dusty, they want those people who aren't absolutely and totally SELF-SUFFICENT to croak if they don't have health insurance. They probably are digging the mass graves right now for the 40 plus million who are without. DOG eat DOG...survival of the fittest? Who's really sick, MikeNC? It's NOT me.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

You sure got an imagination MC. If you are good with 93 million abortions and believe all of that was for the health and well being of the mother...you are indeed the sicko ....Mike

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

MC - So your choice is to save a once healthy young man that can very well take care of himself & his future, but it's OK to murder an innocent unborn child that has yet the ability to take care of itself and a future to look forward to? Most likely this unborn child will grow up a Democrat. MC - you are a total HYPOCRITE!

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

"Of coarse Dusty, they want those people who aren't absolutely and totally SELF-SUFFICENT to croak if they don't have health insurance. They probably are digging the mass graves right now for the 40 plus million who are without. DOG eat DOG...survival of the fittest?"

And we haven't even gotten started yet.Just wait till Michelle Bachmann comes to town and let's us in on who we're going to be digging graves for after we kill all the uninsured!!!

Moon...can you hear yourself?

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honesty2 8 months, 1 week ago

I'm guessing she may be hard of hearing now after all that YELLING she does:)

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? SHE DOESN'T YELL!!!!!

"I like my CAPITALS Geoff.....too bad."

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

I know. My lack of intelligence is a source of constant shame to me. I don't know how I've managed to graduate with a J.D. degree, publish four novels, and write this column for fifteen years, considering what an ignoramus I am. I'd probably be jealous of your accomplishments, but I guess we'll never know what they are, since you're too cowardly...sorry, I mean modest....to tell anyone who you really are.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

Quick! I need something to clean the coffee off my computer screen. :))

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Me too Bflat...DR Jr. is surely an outstanding litigator. If only he could come to terms with the 222.4 million dollar debt in Carthage, and that huge prison on his door step. Did someone mention property values?

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

DR Jr. is surely an outstanding litigator.

I do okay.

Thanks.

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

DR - Didn't know about your novels. I looked up your website & the novels sound like something I'd like to read. I'm going to get a copy of them. Which do you suggest I read 1st? In order of when they were written?

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Devils Right Hand is the first of the Jack Keller series, followed by Good Day in Hell and Safe and Sound. Breaking Cover is a standalone. Enjoy!

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

"my lack of intelligence is a source of constant shame to me"- - -is that why its hidden and we never see your intelligence??

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

I never thought I'd meet anyone as dim as you who could still work a computer.

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

Speaking of not very bright...it's well known that people without insurance end up using the ER as their primary physician. If people can't pay the ER bill because they don't have insurance or cash on hand, the hospital eats the cost. Except then they have to charge everyone else more.

This is well known to everyone with a functioning brain. What's your excuse?

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

First Health doesn't operate the ER. That is farmed out to a national company. Their first assault on a debtor is to turn the account over to a collection agency - then the phone calls, collection notices, threats of impeding legal action, and all along the patient couldn't afford insurance to begin with, especially BCBS. They can make up more preexisting conditions than a team of Haiti first year med students.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Here you go Moonchild and others. Here is what you so strongly advocate. Who is the sicko? There are lots of such internet sites to get an education on what abortion is all about. Do the photos appear to be just a bunch of cells and tissue? No, it appears as what it actually is...little baby boys and girls who's destiny is a butcher shop. And our government wants and demands that tax payers pay for this monstrosity? This all started legally in 1973. When did our nation really take a nose dive and start it's downward trend...how ironic. The following is very graphic, but it is also the reality that so many Americans fight to preserve... Mike http://www.abortiontv.com/Pics/AbortionPictures1.htm

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

And God help us for what we have become as a nation...Mike

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

How many unwanted live births do you and Diane want to care for? All those opposed to alternative pregnancy who picket clinics, never have a sign saying, "I'll take it"! So, if society (Republicans) is so opposed to providing entitlements for poor families ~ Republican mantra ~ and supports live births, then please explain, where does this leave single parent families who choose to birth an unwanted child? Republicans can't have it both ways...who is going to pay for medical care, food, education, clothes, etc.? Republicans say, "cut off their money and they'll find a job"! BS McDonald's hourly wage for a high school graduate doesn't support child care expenses. Stop Pell Grants for those who would like to attend school and burden them and their child(ren) to a lifetime of debt. Why are so many Republicans brain dead when it comes to the obvious?

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Good God Toda...Why not just Kill them all and let God sort the mess out. You get all bent out of shape over animals being mistreated, euthanized and everything that goes with that...but cut, eviscerate and incinerate as many of these unwanted infants as need be. And since you do not state that it is morally wrong; I take it as you consider morally right...Mike

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teufelhunden 8 months, 1 week ago

Okay...don't people getting FREE medicaid have access to birth control??? For FREE???

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

Ok, let's kill them for fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget. Toda, most of these babies will grow up to be Democrats - you don't want to diminish your base.

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

MikeNC ~ you still haven't answered my question, just throwing out more gibberish.Sine the Republicans want to cut entitlements to single parent families, and medical care, who is going to support the needs of the children? BTW ~ Mike, I'm opposed to abortion. God will sort out the mess in due time. Right now we have children living in cardboard boxes on the streets, living in crack houses, etc. So who is going to take care of those children's needs? Come on Repub, answer the question!

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

children have been living in cardboard boxes and drug houses for centuries. There is no easy answer, but murdering them is not an acceptable solution; at least not for me. How about the mother and father take responsibility for them and raise them properly...Mike

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

News flash + + + + + I'm not a registered democrat! Personally I don't like either party...especially the plastic personalities known as TEA Patriots. The ones who want to stop feeding the poor and providing medical care for children.

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

The new Democratic creed: "Save Healthy Young Adults that have a Choice, Kill Unborns via Pro-Choice!"

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Toda 8 months, 1 week ago

Wasn't a plan developed in WWII to develop a superior race? Some of the less fortunate were gassed while others starved to death. Have you listened to the Republican's debt reduction plan? They support live births but not feeding them or providing medical care once they arrive...what a plan.

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

From Roe v Wade, January 22, 1973: "State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mothers behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the state cannot override the right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term." The RIGHT just can't stop from constantly wanting to talk about and show pictures supposedly from the completed proceedure. The unborn HAVE NOT yet been declared full human beings by any court. Perhaps when or if that happens this debate will change but not until then. The BUTCHER shops will again become the back alleys and abandoned houses where young women try to perform self-induced abortions and instead in many cases they end up bleeding to DEATH as they have in the past. You have NO ARGUMENT that is in any way shape or form legitimate. I believe our Constitution got it right.

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

All Roe v Wade does is legalize the murdering of innocent unborn children. I didn't say it was illegal in the states eyes, only in God's eye. In this case I answer to the higher authority. You can hide behind R v W all you want as most seculars do, but murder is murder. So this makes you a moral hypocrite instead of a legal hypocrite.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

Do you ever read what you are about to post...."The unborn HAVE NOT yet been declared full human beings by any court"

You seriously need to re-examine your belief & value structure. Courts have declared all kinds of evaluations, sometimes only to change their minds by some circumstance and re-declare in an opposite direction. You say you believe in God, but allow a court of mankind to declare whom is human and whom is not? Other than the "legal" status of abortion; it cannot be justified...Mike

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Probably the classic case of judicial overrreach, and just plain bad law as Moon's selection above so wonderfully illustrates. What does "privacy" have to do with state-sanctioned ending of human life? I don't know what the solution to this is, but it wasn't Roe V. Wade.

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irkim13 8 months, 1 week ago

MC7, was your son a human being when in your belly? or did you need a court to tell you it was a full human being?

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

What does privacy have to do with it? EVERYTHING. Before Roe v Wade, pregnant women were at the "mercy" and laws of the state that she lived in. Our Constitution provides for a privacy clause so that the STATES cannot just take you and put you somewhere and be forced to do somehthing you have no desire to do(i.e. have a baby that you cannot care for). Coat Hanger Abortions after Roe v Wade were no longer. Medical Care with professionals was what a woman received if she found herself in this situation and needed medical help. This is NOT about the ENDING of a life. This is about the health and welfare of the pregnant woman. Most of you seem to have ZERO feelings for and this is why this argument will never end. Again,you say things that are not medically proven. I was a Medicaid Caseworker and handled thousands of cases. When Federal Funding for Abortions was legal I took those applications, and it was required for me to counsel those women about every aspect of what she was contemplating doing. So many of you just have no understanding and moralize on behalf of "wanting some kind of LALA Land here in America". We are talking about the Health and Welfare of a Pregnant Woman. I talked to and counseled many. Some of these women DID NOT go thru with the proceedure. So MikeNC, don't tell me I'm a hypocrite when it comes to the health care question. You really haven't a clue.

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

I can see why a woman would want privacy when they are committing murder, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to know.

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

"This is NOT about the ENDING of a life."

What? It's not? Why don't you click on the link provided by MikeNC above, and spend a few minutes staring at the pictures. And then come back on here with all your CAPITALIZED WORDS and tell us again how you see "privacy" in these pictures.

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

I just wish we could cut out words from a magazine and paste them as out comments - it might be just as effective.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

A bit of irony on this subject is that "Jane Roe" regretted her decision and petitioned the court to reverse its court's decision. Of course it don't work that way. Here's an interesting snapshot of "Roe". Note that "Roe" actually gave birth to the child she wanted to abort and gave the child up for adoption...Mike

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/roes-regrets/77677/

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

Geoff, I've seen those pictures before. The pictures of WAR with blown up and bloodied bodies are horrendous too but a lot of people are GUNG-HO about our WAR machine. So, many of you have taken this(like so many other topics)over to the extreme side again. America has laws that provide a Right to Privacy. So that a State CANNOT walk into your home and tell you as a pregnant woman that you either must abort your pregnancy or that you must go thru with the birth. Where is the dissconnect from that reality guys? I like my CAPITALS Geoff.....too bad. I'm here sitting in my PRIVATE home using this keyboard and writing my own PRIVATE comments. CAPITALS included. Do you want The Pilot to BAN them or make them illegal?

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Most dissenting opinion on Roe v. Wade revolves around the privacy issue and how in desperation to find something in the Constitution to justify legalizing abortion, the Supreme Court settled on the 14th Amendment. There was nothing there to deal with it. Nothing! So they overrreached. You look at dead babies and see "privacy"...I see dead babies.

As far as your own privacy goes, please...don't let us stop you from keeping to yourself.

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Bflat 8 months, 1 week ago

My, my, "privacy" issues right here on these threads in full view of anyone who chooses to check in. What's the world coming to?

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

But most women go to a Public facility funded by Tax payers for their PRIVATE abortions. I think once they leave the home and rely of others $$, they lose their right to Privacy. I think you have some nerve to compare the death of innocents to the death of combatants (though, I grant you that there are some innocent causalities).

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

The face of the "compassionate left." Something to behold, isn't it?

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

The two Face of a "compasionate left".

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dustyrhoades 8 months, 1 week ago

See what I mean? Just mention the word "abortion" and the wingnuts are off to the races.

Anyway, thanks for keeping me at or near the top of the front page of the website, as always. I knew I could depend on you guys. .

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Courseaire 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty - You bring out the best in us as always. Thoroughly enjoy the banter. Keep it up, can't wait for your next.

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geoffcutler 8 months, 1 week ago

Did you mention abortion? All I read was the headline.

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MarkinMiami 8 months, 1 week ago

Dusty sounds like another John Edwards (see definition of "ambulance chaser"). I guess people with money are supposed to feel guilty for being successful. We should all just open up our wallets and pay for the no good bums that don't want to work. After all, I get in and out of my doctor's office too damn quick now. I want to wait an hour with a bunch of people who can't speak english and aren't citizens, while their 20 kids out of wedlock run around the waiting room screaming and yelling. The government should run health care. Because no one EVER has to WAIT in line at a government office. You get in and out! And there's NEVER a problem with ANY government agency. They ALWAYS get it right. Face it Mr. Edwards... I mean Rhoades, that's capitalism. Haves and have nots. The pursuit of happiness is guaranteed, not the happiness itself.

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MikeNC 8 months, 1 week ago

And here is part of the reason DR.....Recap for a second the recent Stewart trial in Carthage. That animal's guilt in his rampage and murder of innocents was not in question; but he does not get the death penalty for various 'reasons' discussed right here by many of us. Basically society protects such killers. If he did get the death penalty, it would be decades before the climax came. And then the climax would be a lethal injection which most likely gives these heinous murderers a buzz on their way out. No 'Sparky', no firing squad, no pain.

Now take an innocent unborn baby. He or she has never done anything wrong other than to exist in someone's womb. They unconsciously trust their parents to care and protect them and they rest comfortably. But, having no rights, they are allowed to be legally butchered worse than most killers take out their victims. There are videos on line which show the actual procedure. I won't post them here, I cannot even watch them through myself as they are just too painful to see. You can see the agony in their faces as the gruesome procedure is inflicted on these little guys and girls. They writhe in pain and have painful expressions on their faces to include screaming as they are killed. No pain medication can be delivered directly to the infant as that would demonstrate an attitude or acceptance that human equalities actually exist in that baby. Call me a wingnut or whatever you want, but I thank God for those politicians who are pro life and actually demonstrate it by their actions and words. I detest our current presidents stance on this procedure and his open willingness to have even take the step farther to infanticide if he had his way. If someone does not know what that means, look it up and be prepared to be disgusted; that is if you are a human being....Mike

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moonchild7 8 months, 1 week ago

And I detested our previous Presidents War in Iraq that KILLED and WOUNDED thousands of innocent civilians including innocent babies MikeNC. You have the idea of what a pro-life politician is like? And it's not President Obama? He has done what no other President has done and it's called The Affordable Health Care Act. The fact that that program will improve the health and well being of thousands of men, women, and children is proof of his wanting people's lives to be better than they have been. MikeNC, you are so confused and seem to be sickly obseessed with abortions. Being a pro-choice person does NOT mean that they are against life. While you rant and rave about this issue but you at the same time have absolutely NO concern what-so-ever for the mother. It's so typical of TEAPOT REPUBLICANS to use this issue to pretend that they care about human beings. You have completely irradicated the mother's life and wellbeing and instead use this issue to show how you guys really want the government to be "wrongly involved" in our lives.

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Itsjustmyopinion 8 months, 1 week ago

Our previous presidents war? You mean no one in congress approved it. What about all the democrats that voted for it?

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Bradford835 8 months, 1 week ago

Oh Dusty, Dusty, Dusty,

You're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic my friend.

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