Playing Dumb Just Isn't Smart
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I want to make one thing clear from the very beginning: I do not think that Herman Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza and the current darling of the right, is an ignoramus.
He's got a B.A. in mathematics and a master's in computer science. He worked as a ballistics -analyst for the U.S. Navy before his highly successful business career. So no, I do not think Mr. Cain is an ignorant man.
I think that he just pretends to be.
First there was his famous pronouncement to a conservative organization in Iowa that he wouldn't sign any legislation longer than three pages. As reporter Marie Diamond -pointed out at the time, this would have stopped him from signing such landmark -legislation as the Civil Rights Act, the PATRIOT Act, and the Bush tax cuts.
I'm sure Mr. Cain has, as a matter of course, read and signed off on hundreds if not thousands of business memos and contracts far longer than three pages. So when he acts as if he has the attention span of a third-grader, he's got to be -pretending.
Most recently, Mr. Cain not only pronounced his ignorance of world affairs, he did so -defiantly. He was asked by an interviewer on the Christian Broadcast Network if he was ready for the "gotcha" -questions that bad old liberal media were sure to throw at him. Questions like, "Who's the -president of Uzbekistan?"
Cain responded, "When they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan, I'm going to say, 'You know, I don't know. Do you know?' And then I'm going to say how's that going to create one job?" He went on to say that it wasn't critical to know "the head of some of these small insignificant states around the world."
For the record, the current president of Uzbekistan is a guy named Islam Karimov, and knowing who he is is really kind of important, since this "small insignificant state" borders Afghanistan, where I assume Mr. Cain knows we have troops on the ground. We had an -air base there until 2005, and the country lies across a potentially significant supply route for our troops if things continue to get uglier with Pakistan.
So why would someone who wants to be the president of the United States pretend not only to be ignorant of a potential player in a regional hotspot, but also to be proud of that ignorance?
The answer is simple: because of the audience he's playing to. There is a distressingly large group of voters who act as if knowledge and expertise are suspect and simple-mindedness is something to be proud of.
It's a longstanding tradition in this country. From Jimmy Stewart's "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" to "The Beverly Hillbillies" to Tom Hanks' "Forrest Gump," our national mythology is filled with the unschooled, the naive or the mentally challenged, who -prevail over the wicked and crafty "smart" people through their sheer goodness and -decency, without ever, it seems, getting any smarter or well informed.
Well, Mr. Smith, Jed Clampett and Forrest Gump are great characters, but they're just that. Characters. They're -fiction, written to fulfill our yearning for simple answers in a complicated world.
But in the real world, the -elevation of ignorance leads to bizarre aberrations like an -unlicensed and uneducated plumber from Ohio being held up by the right as some kind of oracle, even as he says one silly thing after another. The elevation of ignorance leads to smart people playing dumb, like an otherwise bright girl pretending to be an airhead because she thinks boys won't like her if she's too brainy. Or like Herman Cain.
Cain's bumper-sticker homilies like "I'm not going to sign a bill longer than three pages," his alleged contempt for -knowledge of foreign affairs, and his tax plan that every economist agrees won't raise enough money to run the -country (but it sure is simple!) are pandering, pure and simple. They're attempts to play to the constituency I've begin calling the Forrest Gump Republicans.
But Forrest Gump isn't going to lead us out of the mess we're in. And neither is playing at being an ignoramus to get that rube vote. That's not leadership. You lead by encouraging people to act a little smarter, not by trying to pander and fool them that you're as dumb as they are.
Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage. Contact him at dustyr@nc.rr.com.
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MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
Here's some excerpts from Herman Cain's interview with Brian Montopoli on CBS News.... The entire context of this interview is also provided. I would suppose that his 9-9-9 plan would go beyond three pages; so I do believe his explanation of "Exaggerating" in this interview is accurate. If every single word a politician says has to be literally accounted for being accurate; I can provide a laundry list of the same from Barrack Obama and Joe Biden and etc, etc, etc from both sides. Should I begin my list? Once again; you choose specific words from one statement and then refuse to listen or provide any further interpretation of those words from the direct source. If this column of yours was subjected to the "Truth Meter"; the needle would rest solidly on "MISLEADING". Just some more of your Tut-Tutting.....Mike
BRIAN MONTOPOLI: Hi, this is Brian Montopoli, with CBS News, and I am here with GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain. Thank you for being with us, sir.
BRIAN MONTOPOLI: I need to ask you about something you said recently, which was that you would not want to sign a bill that was longer than three pages.
HERMAN CAIN: Yes.
BRIAN MONTOPOLI: Now, I looked at some bills. First of all, the fair tax, which you back, is 131 pages. The Patriot Act, Civil Rights Act, Bush Tax Cuts, all longer than 30 pages. Defense appropriations bills are always longer than-- than three pages. How-- how can you keep that promise?
HERMAN CAIN: Brian, that was an exaggeration.
BRIAN MONTOPOLI: Okay.
HERMAN CAIN: It was an exaggeration to drive home a point. I want short bills. So it was an exaggeration. I want short bills. I want clean bills. In other words, when they write a bill, I want it to address the particular topic that it is supposed to address. Because, as you know, they have this habit in Washington D.C. of throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, in there, in order to try to get it passed along with something that the other side might want.
I'm gonna have some direction. Number one, no ear marks. I can keep that promise. It's called the veto pen. Number two, clean bills. Yes, they're gonna be longer than three pages. But they are not gonna be 2,700 pages that nobody read.
And I also am going to insist that for every bill that is being considered on a particular subject, that's-- that someone write an executive summary for the public to read, so they will know what's in it. That's that business skills thing that I would bring to the White House. It's-- there is way to summarize it, so the public will know what's in it, rather than being nontransparent. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/09/politics/main20070306.shtml
RmeMP 1 year, 7 months ago
way to go dusty.... way to write up a whole waste of space telling only half the story (...not longer than 3 pages) - typical liberal attacking points, against a BLACK man - what are you, RACIST?!
isnt that what you guys on the left always say against anyone who points out any of the many difficiencies with your false idol oblunder? ;)
ProudYankee 1 year, 7 months ago
Congratulations Dusty, you hit it out of the park on this one. I will refrain form further comments at this time, and just sit back and enjoy the freak show thats sure to follow.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Mike: thanks for providing a quote that proves my point that So when he acts as if he has the attention span of a third-grader, he's got to be pretending.
Of course Cain didn't mean he'd never sign a bill longer than three pages. That's the point. He makes patently absurd statements he doesn't mean because it impresses the "ignorant and proud of it" wing of the GOP. Then he has to walk it back. He's the one that's "misleading."
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Proud Yankee: thanks.
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty's GOP pick of the week : Black Walnut. Diane
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty's GOP flavor of the week: Black Walnut. Diane
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
RmeMP (aka REMF): Yawn. That tired old lie that "you call people racist just becuase they don't agree with Obama's policies" doesn't get any truer because you repeat it over and over.
I've pointed out racist signs and racist rhetoric from the Tea Partiers and the Birther nutjobs. But truth is, from them, I've heard very little discussion of "policy" at all, and when they do claim to be discussing policy, their base assumptions are grounded in lies.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty's GOP pick of the week : Black Walnut. Diane
Dusty's GOP flavor of the week: Black Walnut. Diane
Diane: two halfwitted posts back to back don't make one substantive one.
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
Every economist says won't work? Not true !
Passing 2,0000 page bills without reading them, is somehow smart?
Barrack Obama isn't going to lead us out of this mess, either, and has a track record to prove it. Diane
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
It's called an error Dusty. Sorry we're not all "perfect" like you. Diane
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Sorry we're not all "perfect" like you
Hee-hee! It's fun to play with the humorless.
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
"Hee-hee! It's fun to play with the humorless." ....In that case; you must be having a lot of fun playing with yourself....Mike
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
you must be having a lot of fun playing with yourself....Mike
And you call ME childish?
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
They were your Exact words. Are you insinuating that I took them out of context? Bingo!!....Thank You Dusty for grasping what I did. It also demonstrates that you grasp exactly what you do yourself when you take and twist others words to manipulate and drive your personal hatred and far leftist agenda; no matter whom it may hurt or discredit....Mike
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
As always, Mike's posts quickly degenerate into gibberish and buzzword salad.
NEXT!
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
In other words, you have no response (as there is no good one) for what you do every time you pick up a pen or lay your fingers on a keyboard. Your correct in one aspect however...NEXT; as there can be little else said about your weekly column. It fizzles away to the obscure because of what you intended to do. Back to the drawing board Dusty, no top billboard column this week. Do something truthful or that comical sattire like your suppose to do; it will work out much better for you....Mike
sgmartin 1 year, 7 months ago
Please...give it a break. You are embarrassing yourself.
Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago
Good column - I expect dozens of amusing comments.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
"But in the real world, the -elevation of ignorance leads to bizarre aberrations like an -unlicensed and uneducated plumber from Ohio being held up by the right as some kind of oracle, even as he says one silly thing after another."
Or, the elevation of ignorance leads otherwise intelligent people like yourself to vote for Obama, the man with no more leadership experience to be president of the United States than the man on the moon. And look where that's got us.
Bigguy 1 year, 7 months ago
Next up Harvard Grad. Who rails against Harvard. rich white Christian being discriminate by Conservative Republican. can't wait for 2012.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Good column - I expect dozens of amusing comments.
Thanks. So far, so good.
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
geoffcutler: I've met the "man on the moon" (Neil Armstrong) and he has great leadership ability and experience. But he would have never been the man on the moon if it had not been for the cooperation and efforts of the team of scientists, engineers and craftsmen who worked together with the goal of getting him there. And so it is with the current President. Regardless of his background ,abilities and experience, he cannot be successful in leading our country without the cooperation, assistance and efforts of all of us pulling in the same direction. Nothing will change after the 2012 elections if we continue to be a divided country.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
JER Don't forget the leadership of JFK, the last presidential Democrat to gain the White House. Without his foresight, Armstrong wouldn'r have ever made it to the moon, you name-dropper, you.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Back on topic: Conservative columnist David Brooks on the dumbing down of the GOP:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
What had been a disdain for liberal intellectuals slipped into a disdain for the educated class as a whole. The liberals had coastal condescension, so the conservatives developed their own anti-elitism, with mirror-image categories and mirror-image resentments, but with the same corrosive effect.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Conservative Kathleen Parker in National Review Online:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226015/buckley-son-rises/kathleen-parker
In 1955, when [William F. Buckley] announced his new magazine and explained the reasons for it, he described conservatives as “non-licensed nonconformists”: “Radical conservatives in this country have an interesting time of it, for when they are not being suppressed or mutilated by Liberals, they are being ignored or humiliated by a great many of those of the well-fed Right, whose ignorance and amorality have never been exaggerated for the same reason that one cannot exaggerate infinity.”
Fast-forward half a century, and the old is the new. Radical conservatives are still having an interesting time of it, though these days they are being mutilated by fellow “conservatives.” The well-fed Right now cultivates ignorance as a political strategy and humiliates itself when its brightest sons seek sanctuary in the solitude of personal honor.
concerned 1 year, 7 months ago
When we didn't vote for Obama or when we criticize him for his policies, we are called racist because he is black. When we support a conservative black man like Cain, we are called ignorant. Maybe you are a racist for not supporting Cain and ignorant for supporting Obama.
Yukonjohn 1 year, 7 months ago
What I am very afraid of is that the right does not have a candidate with the ability to beat Mit Romney. The Republican nominee will be Mit, and the true conservatives are going to have to run another candidate, thus splitting the Republican vote, allowing President Obama to waltz right into a second term. This is a tragedy. I have given the President wide latitude in my mind, with many things he as done or not done. That said, I do not believe he is accomplishing the task of getting our economy rolling, and is weak in regards to foreign policy. I certainly do not want another Geo. Bush the younger, who I believe history will decide was one of our worst Presidents. Please consider your vote so carefully and let's try to elect a new direction for our Great Nation!!
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Ooh...nice, concerned! Because the ideology of the left is bankrupt, and bankrupting nations the world over, all they've got left is to call us names. We're ignorant racists, and anything else that sounds good when trying to defend the most inept presidency in America's history. Failure is indefensible, so attack the enemy with the politics of personal destruction, and hope that twisted populism catches on. Not likely this time around because economic forecasts don't see any true recovery or growth on the horizon under the current administration's economic or social policies, and because they've attempted to divide us along class lines. The voter will reject that as patently un-American, so we can look for 2012 to be a repeat of 2010, only Republicans will pick up all three houses.
Mark106 1 year, 7 months ago
Title should have read "Playing Smart is Just Dumb" By D.R.
MikeNC 1 year, 7 months ago
sgmartin 1 hour, 50 minutes ago Please...give it a break. You are embarrassing yourself
How so sgmartin? I guess it would be more acceptable to join in on all the fun and games and simply agree with what DR's column states?? Herman Cain is a good man by anyone's standards. He has and continues to work hard and has greatly succeeded in life for himself and family. His work ethic and how he conducts himself would be a role model for anyone of any age to follow. I'm embarrassed for you and any others who attempt to besmirch a good man with pure misleading crap published in a local newspaper....solely because of the political party in which Herman Cain aligns himself ....Mike
fugitiveguy 1 year, 7 months ago
DR, I think you really believe Cain is dumb but are tiptoeing around it to maintain political correctness. He is an accomplished highly educated self made man who happens to be black and a conservative. That last part makes many liberals think he has a screw loose because blacks are supposed to be Democrats in their view. The heat has been turned up on Cain as expected because he has a real shot at the nomination. It hasn't gotten nearly as nasty as its going to.
TreadLightly 1 year, 7 months ago
If you want a good political exercise, start polling the group of people who have heard Herman Cain speak in person, for a normal sized speech. They seem pretty consistent in their appraisal, and as the campaign allows more people the chance to hear him in person, the primary should get interesting.
Yukonjohn 1 year, 7 months ago
I sure hope Herman Cain can get past Romney. It looks obvious to me that Romney is the candidate that the Republican "insiders" want. Even with Mr. Cain's past ties to the Fed, I could most likely overlook this and cast a vote for him. That is something I could not do for Romney.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
DR, I think you really believe Cain is dumb but are tiptoeing around it to maintain political correctness.
How do you deal with someone who responds like this to a column that begins with "I don't think Herman Cain is an ignoramus" and proceeds to list the accomplishments that cause me to think that way? How do you deal with someone who just makes up what you believe and then argues with the fantasy?
Answer: you don't.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
*I guess it would be more acceptable to join in on all the fun and games and simply agree with what DR's column states?? *
This from the person who says "no one cares what you think." But I knew Mike/Diane couldn't stay away.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Come to think of it...the left would never understand the understated nuance of Mr. Smith, the Clampetts and Forest Gump. That's why they're the left.
OldPilot 1 year, 7 months ago
With all due respect Cain, a member of a minority, first denominated himself "Haagen Dazs black walnut". More accurate would be Palen = Trump = Bachmann = Cain = nut! If he were elected would what would inevitably follow be referred to as, with apologies to Herman Wouk, "The Cain Mutiny"? I suppose Cain could be Queeg, earnest but nutty as a fruitcake, however the trouble is he's no Bogart, so more likely he will end up as Keefer, the instigator who refused to take responsibility for his own actions, thereby undermining Queeg and himself becoming the problem. Maybe his 999 plan could be thought of as "the Yellowstain". If you don't understand the reference read the book or rent the movie. 999 effectively increases taxes for those who can least afford the hit, cuts taxes for those who can best do so,, like Cain with his several hundred thousand capital gains which would not be taxed under his 999 plan, decreases the net $ accruing to the Federal government, all disguised as a tax "cut"and "simplification". This guy is well educated and although never elected to public office what is he in reality? A guy playing stupid, no apparent understanding of international issues and/or the way the US government works in real life, and the darling of the far right and Tea people?
nothingspecial 1 year, 7 months ago
I see your point Dusty. Which is to whittle this Republican that you have identified as potentially dangerous to the fight down in "independent" eyes in the hopes that your man (who is indeed the opposite extreme of what you argue about Cain) might win. Good strategy, only strategy with any hope of succeeding for the Democrats at this point.
fugitiveguy 1 year, 7 months ago
"I do not think that Herman Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza and the current darling of the right, is an ignoramus."
I think it wouldn't sound like so much bs if you had written " I think Herman Cain is an intelligent man. Saying you don't think someone is an ignoramus is like saying I don't think he is a complete idiot. (but an idiot none the less).
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
geoffcutler:"Don't forget the leadership of JFK..." No question he was the spark behind our total space program. I also have not forgotten how his presidency ended. While I'm "name dropping", I will tell you that meeting and talking with Neil Armstrong was the highlight of my business career. Being a member of a receiving line at RDU airport for VP Spiro Agnew during a visit he made in Raleigh ranks as the low point.
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
I hope Dusty's article doesn't keep any of you from casting your Republican primary vote for Herman Cain. He is, far and away, the best use of your valuable vote. Be sure to tell your friends and neighbors to do the same. And under no circumstances should anyone cast a vote for Michele Bachmann. I just read that she has spent more money than she has in her campaign. So when she tells you to be a good Tea Party person and cut spending and live within your means, remember, it's do as I say, not as I do. Hope none of you gave her a handout while she was in town.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty, you've really outdone yourself this time. Thanks. To exhault "Dumbness" over Intelligence is why the United States is becoming such a bad joke to the rest of the world....and I'm NOT talking about President Obama. Ronald Reagan started the DUMB model, that so many current Republicans are trying to emulate. Reagan was borderline. George W. Bush fell off the cliff of STUPID. Mitt Romney tries to do it some but he just can't quite get to the utter DUMBNESS that the others either totally possess or are trying to possess. I put Herman Cain in that last category. He's smarter than most of the other Republicans and "plays" DUMB to reach those mostly white Republicans who are tried and true DUNCES. They still believe that being WHITE TRUMPS any BLACK MAN, no matter how smart that BLACK MAN truely is. How else could he supposedly be doing as well as he is? The LAST thing the United States needs to be perceived as, in the current state of the world, is that it is really STUPID and will be electing another REPUBLICAN NUT. President Obama is revered throughout the world, unlike any of the current republican Presidential wannabe's.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
"When we didn't vote for Obama or when we criticize him for his policies, we are called racist because he is black. When we support a conservative black man like Cain, we are called ignorant. Maybe you are a racist for not supporting Cain and ignorant for supporting Obama."
Concerned- Moon's latest contribution nicely supports your thesis. Of particular interest, when liberals denigrate the intelligence of those they don't politically agree with, they unwittingly imply they are of superior intellect. But that can't be, because if they were so much smarter than everyone else, they wouldn't consistently support failure. Go figure!
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
when liberals denigrate the intelligence of those they don't politically agree with, they unwittingly imply they are of superior intellect. But that can't be, because if they were so much smarter than everyone else, they wouldn't consistently support failure.
Come to think of it...the left would never understand the understated nuance of Mr. Smith, the Clampetts and Forest Gump. That's why they're the left.
According to Geoff, denigrating someone's intelligence is only bad if liberals do it.
Geoff's battle cry: IOKIYAR!
teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago
You sure do devote a lot of time trying to defend your own articles.
CC85 1 year, 7 months ago
If Herman Cain get's the Republican nomination, he will get trounced by Obama in the general election.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
Of course Herman Cain would get trounced by President Obama, because he's too conservative and unbalanced in his beliefs. He might also NOT GET an awful lot of those white people's votes who consider themselves Conservative either, for the simple reason that Herman Cain is black. Those "somewhat" intelligent Conservative Republicans who are voting for him in these Straw polls and surveys will do anything to convince America that they are NOT racists.....except to vote for President Obama.
Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago
A reminder of why we voted for Obama:
Platform: Education 1. He opposes vouchers being used at private schools because he believes they undermine public schools. 2. Calls for higher pay for teachers and pay based on merit as well.
Healthcare
Fully supports a universal health care plan and has stated that we require a plan with "everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan."
Taxes 1. Proposed an $80 million dollar tax cut for the poor and middle class 2. Spoke out against estate tax cuts
Budget Deficit 1. Eliminate tax credits that are no longer useful 2. Clost corporate tax loophole 3. Restore the PAYGO policy, which does not allow federal spending without a plan to make up for lost revenue.
Foreign Policy 1. Hopes to bring a "responsible" end to the war in Iraq as soon as possible. 2. Rebuild and construct alliances worldwide in order to battle such problems as global warming 3. Invest in "humanity" by providing foreign aid. 4. Called for an expansion on the United States Armed Forces
Immigration 1. Implement a guest worker program, providing a path towards citizenship for all undocumented workers. 2. Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants 3. Voted for the Secure Fence Act, which would allow 700 miles of fence to be built along the United States-Mexico border.
Abortion 1. Abortions should be legal according to Roe vs. Wade. 2. Female contraceptives should be covered by health insurance
Gun Control 1. Ban the sale or transfer of semi-automatic weapons while increasing restrictions on purchasing of firearms. 2. Supports child-safety locks on firearms.
Iraq 1. Introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007, which calls for a limit on the number of troops in Iraq, wit the hopes of removing all troops by March 31,2008. 2. He has stated that "no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war."
Barack Obama promises much change in the United States if he is to take the presidency. Highly liberal in all of his policies, he is likely to completey revamp the path the former Republican government has led us down. As the next American president, he promises change and hope for a better future.
CC85 1 year, 7 months ago
Coming off 8 years of Bush (29% approval rating) and Cheney, I think anyone with the ability to fog a mirror could of won.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty, I didn't say it was stupidity that blinds you to the understated nuance of the Clampetts, Mr. Smith and Forest Gump. You're blind to them because the left refuses to see anything but the tired old and failed tenets of Liberalism. Anything or anybody who doesn't agree with you, you call ignorant, bigoted, a racist or a wing-nut. Do you not see any parallels between big government social engineering and collapsing economies of Europe and what is now occurring here America under Obama?
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
Wow, it's still so unbelievable the pile of Goo-Goo so many of you believe in. Mr. Herman Cain was one of "those types"(Conservatives)who RODE IN on the coatails of blacks and whites,who were brave, intelligent and strong enough to HIT THE STREETS in the 50's and 60's, after almost a hundred years(since the Civil War)of continued discrimination. They had had it! Had Mr. Cain had it? What did he do to try to right the wrongs? Maybe he was one of the few who experienced NO DISCRIMINATION in his life? I listened to DianeCarrol at the Dedication of theMLK Memorial.Shetold when she and her Mother would take the train from NYC(she lived in Brooklyn)to NC to visit her grandmother how when they got to DC they had to "get in the colored car." As a woman I experienced LOTS of disrimination in my youth, wanting to take classes the boys took(shop and carpentry)but was told I couldn't because I was a girl. I couldn't wear jeans to school because I was a girl. I couldn't get a job as a 'Meter reader" or "Surveyors Assistant" because I was a girl. Now those are MILD compared to the dicrimination that the MINORITIES have experience but I experienced it and I PROTESTED! Probably more than Mr. Cain ever did. Whites seem to be fine with Blacks who either denounce or "put down" those who fought the ESTABLISHMENT during those tumultuious years. Why is that?
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Hey Moon, why don't you quit beating around the bush and just call Mr. Cain an Uncle Tom and spare us the incoherent, novel length diatribes
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Geoff's one of those conservatives who's so eager to find racism among liberals he makes the racist comments himself.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
"Whites seem to be fine with Blacks who either denounce or "put down" those who fought the ESTABLISHMENT during those tumultuious years. Why is that?" (moonchild7)
Dusty, read before you speak.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
On "Meet The Press" yesterday Herman Cain was asked who his favorite/best Supreme Court Justice was. His answer? Justice Clarence Thomas! Come on now, what is that about? I won't use the term Uncle Tom because I would just hope that both of those men have some sense of the past injustices that America continued to bestow upon many of it's citizens after The Civil War and well into the 1960's. Didn't Clarence Thomas even use Affirmative Action to get into college in the first place? For any person to totally erase from their minds the knowledge of the human suffering and hatred that America's history bestowed upon many of it's citizens is ignorant and stupid, especially for two black men from Georgia of all places.They don't have to dwell on those facts of course but they should never have lost sight of it and since they have they are more than DUMB.
TreadLightly 1 year, 7 months ago
Don't you just love it when Marxist/Communists/Statists use elaborate verbage around fringe points, and never offfer to pit their basic socialist idealog against a man who promises to move our bloated out of control government back to the truly original American rule of law.
They have to grudgingly agree that the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution are documents that changed the shape of the world, but they want to get rid of it anyway. Now you see why they can't allow history to be taught in our modern schools unless they write the textbooks.
teufelhunden 1 year, 7 months ago
Wow is all I can say...this whole thing has hit a new low...
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
What brand of ROT GUT R U guyz drinking?
Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago
Same brand as the weed you smoked back in the 60s.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
I'm drinking pretty expensive stuff, actually. At least Dusty comes right out and calls us names, Black or White. You don't. You couch what you really want to say because you know how low down and despicable it really is.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
For people who claim "racist" is the worst thing you can call somebody, the so-called "conservatives" around here seem mighty free with the term.
But that's wingnut logic 101: It's good for us to do something bad because we claim someone else did it. But it's still bad when the other person did it.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
As a Social Worker I helped some who were "former" members of the KKK(self-acknowlegded), Institutionalized Welfare-Moms, Elderly, former CEO's of LARGE Corporations, Vietnam Veterans, and some of the first AIDS victims in America. They all received the same UNBIASED and HONEST support, knowledge and expertise that I could provide. What I learned more than anything from the thousands of clients that I had in my career was that there was something GOOD to find in each and evveryone of their beings, no matter their opinions. It helped me survive some extremely trying moments. I'm trying to only see a bunch of brainwashed, overly conservative types who just need to experience a lot more of life. I don't know why so many of you make me out to be someone who I am NOT! I guess many of you just don't or can't GET IT! Perhaps some of you need to take the STEVE JOBS path to self-enlightenment and insight and drop a few tabs of acid. For me it was the BLOND LEBANESE HASH.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Coherence would be nice place to start. If you've found there is good in everyone, then use that self-enlightenment to give people who don't agree with you a break. If you and Dusty don't like Herman Cain, fine... criticize him on the merits and don't vote for him. The rest of us don't need to be told we're ignorant because we are considering him and the other candidates. You're not smarter, more intelligent, more intellectual than we are just because you're liberal and you think you are.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Well,Geoff, to quote St Ronnie Reagan, there you go again. Always with the politics of resentment, based not in policy, but in the angry certainty that someone's looking down at you. It's what made Sarah Palin famous, and now it seems the Cainiacs have latched on to it.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
Herman Cain said that "Liberals are trying to destroy this country". Where? How? Through EQUALITY, FAIRNESS, and OPEN-MINDEDNESS? The deregulation of EVERYTHING that the Conservative TEAPOT Republicans worship is what is destroying America. The greediness behind it, is also destroying AMERICA. Sending more and more money up to the 1% is NOT GETTING IT! They only care for themselves and they aren't creating any jobs because they have an extreme disdain for the REST OF US! Geoff, you're not ignorant because you're considering him and the other candidates. You're ignorant for being unable to understand that he's a LIAR, a BIGOT and a HEARTLESS MONEY LOVING HYPOCRITE.
Yukonjohn 1 year, 7 months ago
You know Moonchild and Dusty, I do not care for any Republican except Ron Paul or Johnson from NM, but I could stomach Herman Cain if he were to win the nomination. I think if he does, it will be alot like the last Presidential election.....anybody but the Republican!! I think this time it will be ....andybody but President Obama! I have given him the benefit of the doubt for his first two years, but so far, he is not doing anything that is helping the country. I think he will lose handily. I sure hope it is not Mitt Romney though that beats him. I do not think there would be much difference between the two.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Cain doesn't need my help, he's already destroying himself with the kind of flip-flop that reduced Newt Gingrich to joke status:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20121695-503544.html
PHOENIX - After first apologizing for suggesting an electric fence along the border, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told reporters here Monday that he still thinks it's a good idea for controlling illegal immigration.
"I'm not walking away from that," he said.
Cain has spent the last several days explaining a controversial comment about building an electrified fence along the U.S. - Mexico border that he said could kill people trying to enter the country illegally. On Sunday, he said his comments were "a joke." But talking to reporters here after a meeting here with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has made a national reputation for cracking down on illegal immigrants, Cain reversed course.
Initially Cain apologied when told his remarks had upset some in the state. "Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa," he said, using the Latin formula for expressing contrition. But when a reporter challenged his description of his comments, saying he didn't seem to be telling a joke, the retired pizza executive acknowledged: "You're right." He said he still believes in the need for a border fence "and it might be electrified."
Shorter Herman Cain:
"Stop illegal immigrants with an Electric Death Fence that could kill them!" "Ha Ha! I was joking! Can't You take a joke?" "No! I wasn't joking! Build the Electric Death Fence!"
More pandering from Black Walnut.
Now we can look forward to another brilliant JPB post where he bleats "You just described Obama! It's Obama who wants to kill illegal immigrants!" So original...
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Then there's this:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/herman-cain-spends-100k-in-campaign-cash-on-herman-cain-inc-1.php?ref=fpa
Given any money to Herman Cain lately? There’s a decent chance some of it went directly into the coffers of a for-profit company Cain runs.
A review of Cain’s last two FEC reports shows the campaign transferring just over $100,000 in cash to Herman Cain T.H.E. New Voice, a company that promotes Cain’s books and political philosophy.
Another grifter enriching himself with campaign funds paid by the rubes. Not quite up to Palin proportions but give him time.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
As usual justpassingby you are citing a CONSERVATIVE poll, RASMUSSEN, which is an arm of FOX NEWS. Time shows Obama leading Cain 50% vs 38% and NBC/WSJ shows Obama leading Cain 49% vs 38%. Herman Cain is a JOKE!!!!!!!!! And a SAD ONE at that. The problems that we have now will always lead back to the policies and actions of Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The truth will set you FREE, so TEAPOTS FREE YOURSELF NOW!
Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago
His pizza background is proving helpful as he did come up with a catchy campaign gimmick "9-9-9" - unfortunately it is, as the Economist put it: "Nonsense". Read for yourself: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain. BTW - the Economist is generally a right-leaning publication.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
can you imagine the panic attack poor dusty will have if the republicans ever come up with a formidable candidate?
First I'd have to imagine the republicans coming up a formidable candidate. So far all they've been able to come up with is flashes in the pan who self destruct in weeks if not days--and Mitt Romney, who the right hates so much that they rush to embrace every ABM who comes along, no matter how big a phony they are. Until that candidate implodes, then it's on to the next grifter.
Chew on this, wingnuts: Romney's gonna be your candidate, not Cain. And Obama will eat him for lunch. And I'll be laughing so hard it hurts.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Nezumi: I remember a few months ago being amazed at Charles Krauthammer and other right wingers railing against a value-added-tax, or VAT--which no one in the Administration had proposed. Now it's part of Cain's 9-9-nonsense, and the right wingers think it's the greatest thing since sliced pizza.
Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago
@Dusty - someone needs to remind them that Europeans (aka "Socialists") and even China uses VAT as a significant source of government revenue.
Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago
Regardless of what poll you look at, we know that Obama will get a big boost from supporters like Susan Sarandon.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
someone needs to remind them that Europeans (aka "Socialists") and even China uses VAT as a significant source of government revenue.
Yep. But like everything else, what drives them to fits of rage if they even think a Democrat might possibly, somehow, some day even suggest--is just catnip when a Republican candidate comes up with it.
we know that Obama will get a big boost from supporters like Susan Sarandon.
Namechecking---one of the many wingnut substitutes for actual thinking.
Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty - Since you've changed your avatar, I'll also change mine in your honor for the foreseeable future, your Wingnut Courseaire.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Remember when Bush beat Bore...I mean Gore? Great swaths of the left came down with election derangement syndrome and had to seek therapy. They're still deranged to this day and it's why they speak the way they do.
"Geoff, you're not ignorant because you're considering him and the other candidates. You're ignorant for being unable to understand that he's a LIAR, a BIGOT and a HEARTLESS MONEY LOVING HYPOCRITE." (moonchild7)
Geez...Moon why don't you tell us what you really think! Imagine what it's going to be like when Obama's trounced like McGovern and Carter.. Oh Boy... this is going to be fun!
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
JPB--Thanks for reminding me. Kerry was so memorable... I couldn't remember who ran against Bush before he won his second term. Kerry, Kerry....Committed to memory now. Thanks again!
Bflat 1 year, 7 months ago
@DR> Wow, the fan club has just grown and grown, and any anticipation of life devoid of foxnews and wingnuts was not meant to be. The course Wingnut 404 has now been completed. Is there a 501? :))
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
"JPB--Thanks for reminding me. Kerry was so memorable...I couldn't remember who ran against Bush before he won his second term. Kerry, Kerry....Committed to memory now." What an appropriate comment...particularly when the title of the column is: Playing Dumb Just Isn't Smart.
justmyopinion 1 year, 7 months ago
Unfortunately, MoronChild7 and DR aren't just playing dumb.
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
More seriously, JPB, I do appreciate the point, but find, short of some miracle, an Obama reelection highly unlikely. The embrace by Democrats and the Obama administration of the Wall Street crowd when three years in, the economy is still in the tank, and unemployment is persistently as high as it is, seems like a real mistake at this juncture. When you're after the independent vote, it's foolish to get in bed with the far left, the same far left who were sent a message in November, 2010. When moderates see the tapes of the anarchists, Communists, redistributionists and other odd persona who day after day reveal to the public how unattractive so many of them are, while these voters are paying taxes, working hard, or looking for a job, it will leave an indelible and nasty image in their minds. It's a Democratic mistake because the image they already have of Obama is tenuous at best. But you're right. Anything can happen, I suppose.
Courseaire 1 year, 7 months ago
I remember back when Obama won and he had a whole slew of Celebrity supports on his band wagon, but you hardly hear a peep from them lately. I wonder why? Were they bitten by a wingnut, turned and not able to come out into the daylight?
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Mitt Romney is the Republican John Kerry. He's a rich establishment candidate from Massachusetts who voted for a lot of things his base hates before voting against them. For a while, he was even using one of Kerry's old campaign slogans.
But don't just take my word for it....
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/10/mitt-romney-is-our-john-kerry.html
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/03/08/mitt-romney-as-john-mccain-and
http://www.independentagenda.com/uncategorized/romney-may-be-the-new-john-kerry/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/Romney_slogan_was_once_Kerrys.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/09/romney-a-flip-flop-used-to-be-more-liberal-than-ted-kennedy.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20113027-503544.html
But like it or not, he's going to be your nominee.
Hey Paullists! Time for that third party, innit?
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Dusty, your cut and paste is really dull. Nobody cares, and would rather discuss your own points, if besides hurling insult, you have any. For example, your point above about the VAT and Republicans is a good one, and I suspect that as time goes on, many Republican voters could become uncomfortable with the idea of an income tax and a sales tax, (which is more accurately what one of Mr. Cain's 9's is.) Santorum was on this in the last debate. Regardless, this is the Democratic process of free elections, slowly but surely identifying a nominee during the primaries.
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
Just pointing out that people across the spectrum think Romney's going to be your Kerry. I know providing backup to an assertion seems quaint here but I prefer to just making stuff up, like the wingnuts.
nothingspecial 1 year, 7 months ago
Discount polls you don't like or agree with if you want, but what about commentary on the polls that most matter by your Wolf Blitzer, of CNN?
http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/17/blitzers-blog-poll-numbers-bad-for-obamas-reelection-prospects/?hpt=hp_bn3
Also, Charles Kadlec here does a pretty good job of explaining why liberals are trying hard to talk us out of Cain and out of the idea that Conservatives have the smart ideas that can get us back on track: http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2011/10/17/why-i-support-herman-cain-for-president/
dustyrhoades 1 year, 7 months ago
"your Wolf Blitzer, of CNN"
WTF? He ain't my Wolf Blitzer. You can have him.
Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago
Re: Wolf
I think many Fox News devotees won't watch CNN because they believe it to be radically liberal. I won't watch it simply because it is a poor excuse for news; Fareed Zakaria's show being the notable exception.
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
I'm trying to watch this CNN TEAPOT Debate from Vegas of all places, and what I want to know is "Where's the Paddy Wagon? These people need psychological help, they are totally separated from our current state of REALITY."
geoffcutler 1 year, 7 months ago
Straight from the horse's mouth....
moonchild7 1 year, 7 months ago
Well Geoff, I love horses anyway, they are the most beautiful animals on earth. You sure have gotten very MEAN with your remarks towards me. Why? Just because I am a LIBERAL?
Nezumi 1 year, 7 months ago
SNL should have some new material to work with after the debate tonight.
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
Moonchild7: Perhaps Geoff's been into a little too much of that top shelf premium beverage he drinks. I think he called it "pretty expensive stuff". Some people get mean when they drink.
JER 1 year, 7 months ago
You have seen the latest debate (or at least have heard sound bites from it). Can anyone right of center honestly say that there is a candidate running that they could get behind and support going into the 2012 election? I'm not just talking about who they think might be able to muster enough popular support to unseat President Obama, I'm talking about a candidate that they would be proud of to be leader of this country? I know you all make a very big deal about having "experience" in doing the job. There is only one candidate who will be running for President in 2012 with that experience. Hope you vote for him so we don't have to call you hypocrites.