'Occupy' Organizers Reassure Downtown SP Merchants

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Occupy Moore organizers are working with downtown Southern Pines merchants to reassure them that next month’s one-day demonstration will not adversely affect the critical holiday shopping season.

Originally dubbed Occupy Broad Street, the demonstration is modeled after the protests in New York and is scheduled to be held Saturday, Dec. 10, in the downtown park.

“One of the organizers came up with that name because of the way it plays off of Occupy Wall Street,” said Kevin A. Smith, who signed the permit application submitted by event organizers. “Upon further reflection, though, Wall Street symbolizes something that Broad Street does not. Moore County, on the other hand, is a pretty good symbol for the disparity of wealth and access to power that the movement is about.”

Smith added that Broad Street should not be construed as a target.

“I want it abundantly clear that the downtown park is simply a location for us,” he said. “We’re not there to make a scene. We don’t want this to be a bad thing. We just want to present a point of view, and there’s been a good deal of interest.”

Smith spoke Monday with Lee Riggsbee, president of the Southern Pines Business Association (SPBA), to address concerns by its members about downtown parking and traffic flow.

“We encouraged him to tell his participants to park away from the core downtown area where parking is at a premium, especially at a time of year when merchants are relying on holiday sales to carry their business into the New Year,” Riggsbee said. “There are plenty of parking spaces on the side streets.”

Riggsbee added that the Southern Pines Police Department has assured the SPBA that officers will “do their best” to manage the traffic flow around the event.

“They’re going to work with us to make sure that traffic is not impeded on that day,” he said.

Smith, a freelance writer who contributes a column to The Pilot every two weeks, said organizers will encourage participants to park “around the block and not on Broad Street.”

“We want to be good citizens,” he says.

Smith emphasizes in a commentary on Page B2 in today’s edition of The Pilot that the group wants to assemble peacefully and exercise its freedom of speech.

“One of the reasons that it is an all-day event is to allow as many people as possible to participate,” he wrote. “Nobody is camping out. I’ll be surprised (and gratified) if more than a handful of people stay all day.”

Smith said momentum for the nonpartisan event started gathering last month after someone wrote the following sentence on his Facebook page: “Occupy Broad Street?”

A group of 10 people held an initial meeting shortly thereafter, followed by a second meeting earlier this month.

“Our first meeting was at a restaurant on Broad Street,” Smith said. “We want local small businesses to be successful. The last thing we want to do is hurt them. We want to be respectful of merchants during the event, and maybe we will bring a few people to them.”

Town Manager Reagan Parsons said the town “has no reason” to deny the outdoor special event permit.

“It’s in the process of being approved,” Parsons said. “We will require them to follow the rules and regulations of the park, as well as the town in general.”

Parsons called the request “pretty straightforward” because the event will be contained to the park.

“They’re not asking for roadblocks or anything like that, which you might have with an event like a parade,” he said.

Tony Grausso, an organizer of the Broad Street Merchant Community, said he has no problem with the event.

“If these folks are following the rules, I don’t see why they should be denied that opportunity,” he said. “I support and applaud their First Amendment right to freedom of speech. I really don’t see a conflict.”

Occupy Wall Street began Sept. 17 in the financial district of New York City. That protest inspired demonstrations in more than 1,600 cities.

Participants are mainly protesting social and economic inequality, corporate greed and corruption.

Contact Ted M. Natt Jr. at tnatt@thepilot.com.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Moore County recently garnered national recognition for being among the top 5 counties in the United States with the greatest income disparity between the rich and the poor. This OCCUPY protest is being planned by a group of citizens, your neighbors and friends, who want to raise awareness of the inequities of our financial system that create and widen this gap. There is no better place than the heart of the county to hold such an event. And the season of giving and spreading goodwill towards men makes it the perfect time.

Kudos to Kevin Smith and the rest of the 99% for making this possible.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

Funny Snooki:

You blame the banks for creating and widening the gap? I blame the people who are complaining. I have a family member who worked hard in their respective field for almost 20 yrs before saving up enough money to open their own business - it has been doing very well for several years now and that persons hard work for 20 yrs is now paying off, ass they now have extra money to take vacations and buy nice stuff. Had NOTHING to do with big banks, it had everything to do with this persons strive to be a small business owner and live the American dream.

Please explains to me why you think banks are widening the gap? I personally think that the problem is that too many Americans have become reliant on handouts and expect life to be given to them.

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HockeyFan 1 year, 6 months ago

If the purpose of the protest is to highlight the disparity between the rich and the poor, then why don't the protesters spend their Saturday working with / for the poor? There are many great volunteer opportunities to be had in Moore County that will truly make a difference in the lives of the poor in Moore County.

Off the top of my head, I can name many: Habitat for Humanity, Moore County Literacy Council, MANNA, Boys & Girls Clubs of Moore County, Moore Coalition for Human Care, Pinetree Community Services, LifeCare Pregnancy Assistance, and the list goes on.

My suggestion would be to do something more productive that will create a tangible benefit to the poor that live in our fine County.

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annettespal 1 year, 6 months ago

I personally think that the problem is that too many Americans have become reliant on handouts and expect life to be given to them. Hey don't forget they are more lazy today than ever!

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MikeNC 1 year, 6 months ago

Hopefully everything works out just fine. People have a chance to vent their views and frustrations in a peaceful and organized way which does not adversely effect anyone else. But when the very first paragraph states....

"Occupy Moore organizers are working with downtown Southern Pines merchants to reassure them that next month’s one-day demonstration will not adversely affect the critical holiday shopping season" .....At least that means that the 'organizers' recognize all the chaos and problems the current on going protestors in other locations have caused to local merchants and other innocent bystanders elsewhere. Does this mean the organizers accept full responsibility of what does or does not happen in Southern Pines...Positive or Negative?...Mike

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Rmemp: There's no snappy retort I can use to respond to your post, but I will recommend that you research the student loan crisis as one aspect of a financial system that has enslaved our society to enrich the elite. It's up to you to decide to be objective. I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make him drink.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

HockeyFan: The organizers DO serve on those charities. Question is, DO YOU????

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nobozo 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: I don't see where Snookyone said anything about banks -- banks are just one part of our financial system. Surely you aren't denying that the "financial system" brought us to the brink?

Your family member is among the few fortunate ones whose money didn't disappear during this economic debacle. As a new small business owner myself, I am hoping to see the same results from my hard work that your family member has.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

annettespal: Your post is exactly what the 1% want you to believe. Sure there are some who abuse the system but you can't use one example and apply it to all the poor. We have homeless children moving from shelter to shelter here in Moore County. Does calling them "too dependent" solve anything?

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fugitiveguy 1 year, 6 months ago

snookyone2 hours, 41 minutes ago

"Moore County recently garnered national recognition for being among the top 5 counties in the United States with the greatest income disparity between the rich and the poor."

I suppose you'd be happier if we were more like Richmond or Montgomery County where nearly everyone is equally poor. How twisted the logic that all who are well off financially have gotten that way by nefarious means while the poor are that way out of no fault of their own.

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fugitiveguy 1 year, 6 months ago

How is it so many people can afford the latest cell phones, smokes, nice car support a weed habit but cannot afford basic health care coverage? Do I really need to pay more so they can work less? Why does the left have such disdain for achievers?

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

@snooki:

I agree college is expensive, but no offense here - if you can't afford to pay back the loans, then go to a cheaper school! You know why I don't drive a Corvette? Because I can't afford to; does that make sense?

I'm still sticking with "personal responsibility" - if you create the debt through your personal choices, then you are responsible to repay it, not me or anyone else.

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HockeyFan 1 year, 6 months ago

Snooky,

I serve more than most, but I'd serve more if there were more hours in the week! I certainly wouldn't waste a perfectly good Saturday on protesting something as opposed to doing something about it.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

@nobozo:

Hang in there and good luck with your business, I hope it goes well for you :)

It's not easy, but if it was then everyone would do it - I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors!!!

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: Had you done the research you would have learned that the cost of college is just the tip of the iceburg. The inequities in Sallie Mae are astounding!!! It is vital that parents and students be made aware of the unfair lending practices that have been quietly been enacted to favor financial institutions and take advantage of young kids looking to build a future. These inequities are so unfair that there is no relief EVER for students, not even through bankruptcy, disability or death. Meanwhile the financial institutions have the power to change interest rates at will or trigger 25% of principal penalties for late payment. Read the testimonies of kids graduating with $9,000 debt then owing $30,000 on the same loan 10 years later. This issue has been swept under the rug and needs to be brought out into the light of day.

Do your research then come back and talk facts. I'm not interested in unsubstantiated opinions and self-righteous snobbery.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Hockeyfan: I commend you for your generous support of the less fortunate. You've apparently gotten the message of the 99%. Feel free to join the movement and spread the message!!

I agree with you: If you aren't part of the solution...you're part of the problem.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

I try to be rational south you snooki, but you can only beat your head on the wall so many times... This is my last attempt; if a citizen CHOOSES to enter into a CONTRACT, and then defaults on that contract, it is THEIR PERSONAL FAULT, not "the financial machine" or whatever you call it.

Again, don't accumulate the debt if you can't pay it back - basic concept, and I feel really bad for you and the OWS parasites who can't grasp that small of a concept.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: YOUNG people are impressionable and they trust adults to give them guidance. Under the guise of "helping them", Sallie Mae set a trap to mire them in debt for their entire lives. And, guess what....even students in finanacial careers didn't see the trap they were falling into. YOU are not looking beyond your "opinion" and seeing the facts. The student loan industry was created and inacted soley to benefit the 1%.

Get informed! Read the testimonies! These students have been paying on their loans every month for years and the principal balance goes UP instead of down and the banks refuse to show how their payments were applied. It is nothing short of self-righteousness to sit there and cry "personal responsiblity" when these students are getting screwed by the system before they've even had one day of employment.

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HockeyFan 1 year, 6 months ago

I am one of the people who has a large amount of student loan debt with Sallie Mae (in excess of $25,000.00). Certainly, I would love for someone to wave their magic wand and make it all go away, but that will not happen.

I don't feel that other's should be responsible for my debts, and I fully realize that the education that my student loans made possible is what allows me to put food on the table for my family. While I look forward to a day in the near future when my student loans are fully paid off, I know that my position in life would be far worse had I chosen not to go to college or grad school.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

HockeyFan: Those students aren't asking anyone to pay their debt for them. They're asking for fair lending pactices.

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JER 1 year, 6 months ago

I am in 100% agreement with RmeMP concerning personal responsibility. Don't purchase what you cannot afford. That said, I disagree with the notion that the OWS protesters are all parasites who do drugs, don't bathe and crap in the streets. At the core of this movement is a message alerting all of us to the widening gap between the "haves" and the "have nots", along with evidence pointing to the causes for this situation. In every civilization, there will be a percentage of the population who are overachievers that want to accumulate wealth and the power that goes with it. There will also be a percentage that are underachievers that want to sit back and have others provide for their needs. In the middle are the biggest percentage who just want an opportunity for a decent job that pays a livable wage, a roof over their head, nourishing food on the table, affordable health care and a little extra time and money to occasionally do something fun. I think that the OWS movement represents this middle group. I also think that the movement has attracted a lot of fringe groups who are trying to use the movement to further their agenda and, let's face it, there are some who just think it's a big party. That's what happens when you have the 99% voicing their opinions. It's a lot easier to keep the 1% on message during their protests.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Insider trading by congress, predatory lending in the student loan business, unethical mortgage transactions, unfair tax burdens, biased news reporting, etc., etc. Waving a banner of "personal responsiblity" will not make these go away.

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

I paid off my own Sallie Mae loan. :)

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JER 1 year, 6 months ago

fugitiveguy states: " How twisted the logic that all who are well off financially have gotten that way by nefarious means while the poor are that way out of no fault of their own". As with most statement s that use the word "all", this statement is incorrect. There are certainly wealthy people who got financially well off through nefarious means, just as there are poor people who are that way through their own fault. Determining the percentages of each group is predicated on what definition is used for "nefarious" and "fault". Certainly being the head of a crime family or drug cartel would put you in the nefarious category. So would profits from insider trading or running a ponzi scheme. But would being a stockholder qualify? It would, in my mind, if the company I owned stock in was more interested in providing me with a continuing return on my investment than in the employees and products that generate the profits. How many of you own stock that provides you with the lifestyle you enjoy? How tuned in are you to how that wealth is generated for you? Were employee let go, factories moved, benefits slashed to provide you with that last check? Do you know? Do you care? Are the people made unemployed and poor responsible for their fate? Was it their fault? I won't pick on the self made financially successful folks who got what they have through hard work if you won't pick on that segment of the population who are poor because someone took their ability to earn away from them.

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logic23 1 year, 6 months ago

So you are worried about wealth disparity and student loans. All the wealthy people I know, studied harder, choose lucrative careers, took calculated risks, had goals, made prudent life decisions, etc. Not sure how you "solve" the disparity in a free society where people can go choose how they proceed on any of the above.

The problem with college education is similar to what happend with the housing bubble. Interest rates are kept artifically low and the bar was set low for people to access this cheap money. There was push for everyone to own a home. Housing prices sky rocketed because there were more buyers in the market for the reason stated above. College has become much the same. There is a push for everyone to goto college and the loans are readily available and the interest rates are artificially low. Colleges can charge more and more. Students used to work and pay their way through college back in the day. Salle Mae was a Government Sponsored Entity set up in 70's to give students cheap loans for college. Interesting how costs have spiraled out of control ever since then.

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justmyopinion 1 year, 6 months ago

Yea, I want someone who chooses Snooky as a username to speak for my organization. Just gives you a warm feeling. Probably the same warm feeling a STD would give.

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

Wow...I almost spit my herbal tea across the room. (pinkie extended)

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Bellisona 1 year, 6 months ago

"All the wealthy people I know, studied harder, choose lucrative careers, took calculated risks, had goals, made prudent life decisions, etc. "

Ok, that's a fair assessment, I'll give you that. But keep in mind that the current crop of college students currently entering the workforce were pushed to set goals, and follow a path to a "lucrative" career in a primarily service based economy - and the service sector is tanking. It was still profitable a decade ago, when our teachers said "This is what you need to do." They encouraged undergraduate degrees, then graduate school. Vocational training, learning a trade that was immediately profitable after two to four years was barely mentioned...and when it was it was with an unspoken air of "Well, poor thing...he/she can't really do any better."

My generation wasn't geared for "Get out, and start making money". We were repeatedly told that education was an investment, our road to REALLY lucrative careers and success and that if we had to accrue debt along the way, well when we landed our jobs we could afford to pay for it.

And THAT is the fallacy we were all fed, by people that should have advised us. "Borrow now, because by the time you have to pay it back, you'll be able to afford it."

Yes, at 23, now...that's ludicrous. And bad financial advice. But what average, or even fairly intelligent 17-18 year old knows that? I didn't. And I had worked for the three years previous, paid small individual bills (cell phone, car insurance etc.) and bought my own clothes and necessities... so I had SOME experience managing my own finances. Simply put, you can quote interest rates, whether fixed or variable all day long. But your average high school graduate has NO IDEA what they're getting into.

It's a dual problem: 1)We're not being TAUGHT actual, applicable life skills in school. (I can only speak for public schools.) We deal with interest rates in the abstract, maybe for a week or two in a mid-level math class. Some people graduate not knowing how to do their own LAUNDRY, never mind balance a check book or calculate their debt increase in ten years. We're taught to pass tests and get into college. And if we do that, and study hard, then everything will be OK. That doesn't prepare you for the possibility that when you graduate, your degree in what you were told was a lucrative field is essentially useless in the current economy. Yeah, it's a problem.

2)You have companies shamelessly taking advantage of that fact. It's the nature of capitalism. And I love capitalism, but in this particular case...regulation makes sense. It a lot like getting swindled by a used car salesman, and ending up with a lemon. How many of you are going to blame yourselves because you don't have an advanced understanding of auto mechanics, and how many of you are going to be outraged at the salesman? It's the same principle.

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

Well said and I think you're right that more applicable life skills need to be taught as part of the curriculum (although this should be taught primarily by parents especially in this day and age). There are a lot of young men and women fresh out of college having to wait tables because they can't seem to break into their field. Frustration sets in and then the bills start pouring in. It is a rude awakening. There are a lot of young people trying to do the right thing.Yet there are so many graduates vying for the same positions.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

justmyopinion: Snooky is a pet name given to me as a child.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Why were student loans under the Bush administration made harsher on the borrower than any other loan?

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

Excellent post teufel; you hit the nail on the head I believe. The blame should definitely be shared among the parents who did not teach their children proper life skills, of course it wouldn't hurt to also have classes on the subject in high School as well.

Look, college USED to mean something because family values were much better and parents knew that they couldn't afford to send their children - so they didn't; NOW college degrees are only worth the price of the paper they were printed on, because so many kids are going - only now, due in part to poor parenting, they don't worry about having to pay back the loan.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

I would like to apologize real quick for the last part of my last post, I do NOT believe that students "don't worry" about their college debt; I just believe to many of them expect to get an awesome job making 6 figures within a week of graduation and therefore don't realize the risk associated with the MASSIVE loans they are taking out - then blame others for their woe's.

There are many people who genuinely need help, but it is NOT 99% of the general population.

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nobozo 1 year, 6 months ago

Thanks RmeMP -- so far, things are looking pretty good

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: Its the terms of the student loans that are so unfair. Sallie Mae began privatizing in 1997 and in the process the loan terms became so harsh to the borrower that they are almost 100% in favor of the lending institution.

Excessive interest rates and principal esculation clauses are just part of the unfair burden to the 17-18 yr old borrowers. I cannot sit back and brag that I have no college debt when I see others caught on the predatory lending treadmill. Their lives have been stolen by the unfair terms of a loan from which there is no escape through bankruptcy, disability, or even death.

And nevermind that, with student loans from 2000-2010 hanging over their heads, it's unlikely that they will ever be able to qualify to buy a home.

I know, I know....you have yours...

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Zoey 1 year, 6 months ago

"There are many people who genuinely need help"

Humor me. Elaborate, please...

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mocoboyz 1 year, 6 months ago

Just some observations on this subject,.....is it a coincidence that the Downtown Community Watch is having it's organizational meeting tonight? ,....Also, wouldn't it be more fun to "Occupy" a local high price gas station?..........Just sayin'

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Bellisona 1 year, 6 months ago

It's not necessarily that we expect six figures, we just weren't expecting to barely make it at slightly above minimum wage. And by slightly, I mean nickels and dimes. I can only speak for me personally, but I'm not expecting a bail-out. I just think that the more unscrupulous of these lending institutions should be more regulated, and the potential borrowers should be more educated. The Occupy movement is starting to accomplish the latter. Something should be done about the former.

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TallShadow 1 year, 6 months ago

Rich man, Poor man.

Here is a link to an interesting You Tube video discussing poverty in America.

http://youtu.be/p4-oUzWMO1k

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

I like the gas station idea...just wouldn't want it to go "up in smoke".

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Here is a link to a REAL problem, not propaganda likeTallShadow is pushing.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/15/news/companies/fannie_freddie_executive_pay/index.htm

Now, remind me how much more than $300,000.00 Newt took from FM.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

i agree snookie, that is obsurd; however, like the BIGGER problem is beyond the "financial institutions" check out what the fed did to the tune of 16 TRILLION $'s

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.11/gaoaudit.html

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pattruslow 1 year, 6 months ago

Ya know...the whole college loan system IS a disaster, and people HAVE been saddled with enormous debt and little lucrative job opportunities. But, the solution could be very simple if we had the right people in DC - legislators who give a rat's >>> about this and other issues. How hard would it be to let people with college loans refinance them??? Isn't that what it will take to fix the mortgage/foreclosure/housing problems? Sometimes, we have to go backwards in order to move forward. So what if the Big Banks lose a little interest income from refinancing student loans...best I can tell, they've made enormous profits this year; why not return some of that to students? Further, the OBS group is on target; they represent what brave people do in times of frustration, unrest and a common need - they exercise the right to protest. Shame on those of us who aren't willing to do the same, especially those who resort to name calling and disrespect of another's right to an opinion. And, justmyopinion, I can't let your nasty reference to Snooky's name go unchecked...you should use "an" to precede a vowel sound ("s" in this case) versus "a," and you should realize how brightly your true colors shine when you mount a personal attack such as this. Shame, shame!

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greentara13 1 year, 6 months ago

Look, it isn't anti- capitalist. It is anti corruption. BIG difference. I just want a bleeping chance at being a successful capitalist! I want people to be rich! I want them to succeed, but not if it involves unethical or illegal practices! Get it? The more successful people we have in our country, the better infrastructure we have ..... Rise above, we gonna rise above! The key is look to your passion in life, small businesses unite! Destroy big business that are unethical and immoral and bring back pride in America. Shop local, buy only made in America goods! And for all you fashionistas out there, check your labels. A lot of "American" companies make their products in China. The fashion industry is one of the worse offenders! No, you don't have to wear burlap and hemp bras, just buy beautiful American stuff.... Made in America!!!! Boycott college, it is a myth and a lie you need it to succeed and be rich. All it does is take your dough and give you a "joke" degree. No more corruption! Occupy Wall Street!

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP, I don't trust articles, particularly opinion pieces, from sources that I can't check out. Thanks for the link anyway.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

poor snooki... what i linked is not an opinion piece, it's directly from the government! scroll to the bottom of the link, where it says "source"

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Thanks, RmeMP, I was half-asleep when I looked earlier. I'll give your link a closer look and, meanwhile, ask that you drop the sarcastic tone from your posts.

Sharing is good. Talking mean is bad.
-Kindergarten 101.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP The Silver Bear Cafe is most certainly an opinion site, but you're correct that the article you linked to listed the gov as a source for some of their data. Forgive me if I’m weary of the mind-mucking by a biased, slanting, filtering, lying media that I’ve come to mistrust.

I’m not going to pretend to fully understand how our complex financial system works but I try nonetheless. I’ll put the Fed Resv on my “to learn” list and I do appreciate you pointing it out.

I looked at a couple of contributions on the SBC site and they appeared to be well thought out. As I said in an earlier post, I’ll give the site a closer look. Thanks again!

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

greentara13-You made some excellent points. I also want to say this: People, it might be a good idea to learn to live with less. Possessions can be burdensome. Frugality is very chic actually. Travel light. Learn to do without some things. You don't have to have the latest and the greatest. Simplicity can lead to less stress and a healthier life. Stuff is just stuff. When you can make peace and not have to keep up with the Jones's or Kardashians or whatever-then you can be truly satisifed. "Rich" can be defined in many ways. Having stuff or being comfortable with what you have and not having to worry about how to make ends meet. I choose the latter.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

Ok snooki, fair enough; I will drop the condescending tone, if you promise to keep an open mind and read up and the fed :)

Here's my olive branch to you - while we may never agree on everything, we can be civil right? I can respect your opinion, if you can mine.

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teufelhunden 1 year, 6 months ago

Just a thought: how will the occupiers treat shoppers on Black Firday in NYC and other cities? Heard someone threatend to destroy Macy's. Things could get ugly.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: PEACE and OCCUPY together!

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

tufelhunden makes a good point about STUFF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5g... STOP THE STUFF

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

teufelhunden, I hope we can refrain from buying into the OCCUPY image (i.e, violence, filth) that corporate media is feeding to us. The OCCUPY movement is PEACEFUL and nonpartisan. It is an amazing meeting of minds across the globe and it's NOT going away.

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justmyopinion 1 year, 6 months ago

Peaceful and nonpartisan??? That is a joke, right?

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concerned 1 year, 6 months ago

Snooky, the Tea Party is a peaceful movement as well, but the liberal media has portrayed us a a violent and racial movement. sure there are some trouble makers in every group, but as a whole, we are peaceful movement. We have Republicans, Democrats and Independents in our group.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Concerned: Damn the lying media for always trying to form our opinions for us. We all want the same thing, though we differ on the solutions. But how do we ever come together to resolve our problems when we’re being wedged apart every minute of every day? I am sick to death of the constant manipulation, hate, greed and division from all directions. There’s got to be a better way.

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Jibbs 1 year, 6 months ago

OK, Smitty, have your little "Christmas with Karl Marx" parade, but I warn you, if you truly don't want to hurt these Southern Pines businesses, do not put them in a position where they have to chose sides. I'm a hard-headed fool, and like many around here I won't support businesses whose views are antithetical to mine (the beauty of capitalism). You can try all you want to separate yourselves from the New York, Oakland, Philly, (and everywhere else) anarchists and communists, but you are an "Occupy" movement, like them, and will be branded as such no matter what you say or do.

Everyone knows what side you guys are on politically, but allow them to remain neutral in this. Don't ask them to join you, and don't ask them if you can put your flyers on their windows or anything like that. Just purchase their goods and services and politely say "thank you Sir/Ma'am". Every customer counts for them, and they will lose some if they support you (or reject you) no matter how you try to rationalize it. Surely you can agree with that.

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

Jibbs..take the red pill and see what's really going on.

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RmeMP 1 year, 6 months ago

Snooki, to answer your question - how about abolishing the "democratic" AND "republican" parties? Why do people feel the need to belong to one of the two parties? Why not just be Americans?

Obviously you and I do not agree on all aspects, but I've noticed from the beginning of this thread until now, we have been able to get past those differences and be civil towards each other.

Looking forward to meeting you at the park to discuss our differing views face to face, like Americans :)

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Courseaire 1 year, 6 months ago

Darn Snooki, don't you mean bllue pill?

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snookyone 1 year, 6 months ago

RmeMP: I would be thrilled to abolish the parties! Wouldn't it be grand to hear a debate in which the candidates were actually speaking their true beliefs instead of pandering?

Courseaire: The point is to think OUTSIDE of the Matrix!

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