The Zombie Lies That Won't Die
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President Obama provided irrefutable evidence this past week that 25 percent of Americans, and 45 percent of Republicans, are blithering idiots.
Those are the percentages of both groups, according to to a recent CBS News/New York Times poll, who don’t believe the president was born in the U.S. and who therefore believe he is ineligible under the Constitution to hold the office.
Members of that group have held on to this belief despite the fact that President Obama has previously released his “certificate of live birth” from the state of Hawaii. They’ve held on to it despite the fact that the state officials responsible for public records have stated numerous times that the birth certificate is genuine.
They’ve held on to it despite the evidence that the archives of local papers from the time of President Obama’s birth show that birth announcements ran in those papers of a son born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.
Nothing will satisfy us, the so-called “Birthers” insisted, but the “long-form” birth certificate, something which I’ll wager the vast majority of Americans had never even heard of until the Birthers turned it into the gold standard for proving you were One of Us.
“Obama isn’t an American citizen” has become one of those Zombie Lies, the ones that just won’t die. When one right-wing politician ends up being forced to admit that yes, he or she actually believes that Barack Obama is, indeed, an American (which they usually do only after being cornered like a rat in a trap), another one springs up, ready to start the whole tedious process over again.
The media bear a great deal of the responsibility here, because they’ve given a platform, not only to what the president described as “carnival barkers,” but also to enough kooks, charlatans, hucksters and grifters to staff a dozen sideshows, and all under the guise of being “objective.”
Make no mistake: There are some statements and positions that, in a rational world, would entitle you to nothing more than being mocked and jeered like a sideshow geek. Calls of “Where’s the birth certificate!?” mark you as a clown just as clearly as if you were wearing a red nose and big shoes, and any news outlet who gives any hearing whatsoever to that sort of nonsense ought to just admit that they’re just there to entertain, hire some tigers and elephants, and start broadcasting from under a big striped tent.
You want proof that there’s no such thing as the “liberal media”? Liberal media wouldn’t show people like Orly Taitz or Donald Trump spouting their drivel without a laugh track running underneath it.
Finally, President Obama did what he does far too often, in my opinion: He caved in to the demands of the crazies. He released the “long-form birth certificate” they’d been demanding. It showed, as everyone sane already knew, that he was born right here in the good old U.S. of A.
Did that settle the matter? Of course not. Nothing will ever satisfy the wingnuts, and Obama was foolish to try. Remember that, to the obsessed conspiracy theorist, any evidence that contradicts the the theory is itself part of the conspiracy.
Cries of “forgery!” went up from the swamps of the right wing blogosphere, with one blogger purporting to have proved the inauthenticity of the document by examining it online. Ask any legitimate document examiner if such a thing is possible, and see how long it takes him or her to stop laughing.
Some took the path of sheer chutzpah, like GOP Chairman Rance Priebus.
“Unfortunately,” Priebus sniffed, “[the president’s] campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our No. 1 priority — our economy.”
Well, Rance old son, maybe if you’d shown some of that “leadership” you people are always on about and helped quash this lunacy in your own party, including some of your potential nominees like “Mau Mau Mike” Huckabee, we wouldn’t have had to go through this rigmarole. If this twit beaned the president with a baseball, he’d complain about the time it took to put a bandage on the wound.
Then, of course, there’s the time-honored tactic of moving the goalposts, like CNN commentator Erick Erickson, founder of the right-wing blog RedState.
“Once the birth certificate issue is dispatched,” Erickson wrote, “will he release his college transcripts? That’s the issue for me.”
Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends.
Dusty Rhoades lives, writes and practices law in Carthage. Contact him at dustyr@nc.rr.com.
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SamSewell 2 years ago
New AKA Obama BC fake - Prove it to yourself
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/04/new-aka-obama-bc-fake-prove-it-to.html
Dr. Polland’s Analysis of the Certificate of Live Birth Released on April 27, 2011 The morons forget to flatten the layers! You should see what this looks like in Photoshop or any other Adobe program that reads PDF’s and works with layers.
SamSewell 2 years ago
Sam Sewell 11:56pm Apr 30
Besides, scanned documents aren't evidence of anything even if the are legitimate. The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining imitation scat.
Ross 2 years ago
As this author says - Zombies are all over the place - right sammy?
SH59 2 years ago
Sam, I hope your 3AM rantings are just a joke and you're having fun with this. You must know to suggest there has been a conspiracy to cover up citizenship from the time Obama was born is just crazy and psychotic! People who are so focused on this are just happy to have their heads in the sand and don't really want to deal with the real world.
SnakeFlag1 2 years ago
If the posted birth certificate is real, it settled the controversy. He was born to a father who is a British citizen. If he was adopted in by his Indonesian father, add another layer of foreign citizenship. If he went to Pakistan on a passport other than American at a time when Americans were forbidden to travel to Pakistan, add another layer. President is the only office in the United States where one instance of foreign citizenship disqualifies you from office.
SH59 2 years ago
So Sam, I've been doing a little research on you. Now I get it, you really have created your own world of reality! It's funny how anyone can create a blog and say whatever they want. Just because you've created the Steady Drip to support your deluded thoughts it doesn't mean there's any truth to what you say. Anyone who's devoted that much time and energy to develop such an unsupported convoluted and twisted story as the one you have on your Intellectual Conservative web site must suffer grandiose dreams of fame and recognition. Who's to say you haven't manipulated the Birth Certificate you posted on your own site?
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Just because you've created the Steady Drip to support your deluded thoughts...
Not to mention some kind of snake oil 'health product" he's flogging.
SamSewell 2 years ago
It's posted on the White House web site!
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
So? There's a hard copy too, Zippy. And no, he's not going to bring it to your house.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Sam, I've got a box of clown shoes and another one of red noses, just for the people like you who I knew would show up. All that's left now is to pick your clown name. I choose "Zippy."
Ross 2 years ago
I am thinking obama should display his BC "In State" as they do when a very famous politician dies. Then all these loonies can take a good long look as they file past the casket. Of course even this wouldn't satisfy some of them.
moonchild7 2 years ago
There are so many Lying Zombies amongst us Dusty, I can hardly go out and about with any good feelings anymore. It's so funny what you write but it's scary because it's also just way too true. Hopefully though after last night's White House Correspondent's Dinner, President Obama will have laid to rest all of the BS THOSE PEOPLE keep spouting. President Obama released the "FILM" of his birth and that should now be the end of it.(HA!) Dusty, can you please start to figure out how to "kill" the idiocy that won't stop with those people? I know a ZOMBIE has to be killed with a blow to the head, but since those Birthers have NO BRAINS to begin with I just have no idea how to get rid of them. (THAT'S A JOKE FOLKS)
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
My favorite joke Obama made at that dinner is when after he'd said he was going to play his "birth video" , then showed a clip of opening scene of "the Lion King," he turned to the Fox News table and said "that was a joke, folks," in a voice that clearly indicated he thought they wouldn't be able to tell.
fugitiveguy 2 years ago
I've never really had much to say about this subject. If someone could assume the presidency without proper qualifications then we as a country are truly screwed. On the other hand, President Obama could serve dog poo to his true believers telling them it was steak and they would gobble gobble and go on about how good it was.
None 2 years ago
Dusty, All this is so stupid, it's funny. We have major issues in this country and yet find the time to do this...so playing along ... There cannot possibly be a Birth Certificate. No Way. Liberals (Blind sheep meandering through life in a constant and prolonged state of adolecent idealism), cannot have it both ways. You see, Obama was put in a basket as a child and hidden in the tall grass growing along a River, thus keeping him from harm. They would have never identified him other than by talk. The larger portion of your Liberal friends may not get that one...Old Testiment) I am sure you can find cases on the FAR right to joke about,,,"mindless" . Just accept the same about the FAR left. And Dusty...How about another trivial but fun catagory"The Looks" award for Who has the goofiest or ugliest people representing their party? I mean, they're funny looking across the board, but the Dems have the ugliest wrapped up man! As Lewis Grizzard said, "they could scare a dog off a gut wagon. Just an observation....just sayin'...
None 2 years ago
Lee, I do occasionally joke about (and more often express my exasperation with) the 'far Left." The difference, as I've said before, is that they're not running the Democratic party. Just ask them, they'll be glad to rail at you for hours about how Obama has "betrayed" them.
The GOP on the other hand is falling all over themselves not to alienate the Birthers and Tea Party nuts.
None 2 years ago
Good article DR Jr. The Donald has way too much time on his hands. POTUS'O's shot about The Donald questioning everything as opposed to discussing issues and interjected the moon landing was a good one. BTW: The Tea Party Nuts (The Elitist and Affluent) should have Nuts capitalized. Shows respect for Royalty in the Kingdom of Pinehurst.
None 2 years ago
The night was a great indication of O-blame-a's presidency...One bad joke after another.
LeeMcGraw 2 years ago
Oh...I like the Zombie reference. Nobody in their right (sorry) "correct"mind would take that as anything but humor about the bashing in the head. Yes, some will be offended, but like I said...not in their right mind. It's the same with Liberals on the left field pole. They want everything their way and they want you and the laws to change to suit them. They cannot take the slightest joke, and usually, like the one's on the Right field pole, are closed minded Sheep...or Zombies...or fill in the blank. Otis once made reference to "A Leg Of Lamb" ...9when he once swung one at his wife,...she ducked, and he hit his Mother in Law in the mouth with it! (Ok..we all know that's wrong) but it is funny! And it is the caption for people who sit on the "poles" ..."Sometimes, all they understand is a leg of lamb! as Otis put it.
fugitiveguy 2 years ago
It would seem like Obama himself wants to keep this controversy going. If not why trot out the "real" birth certificate now. I guess as long as he keeps this circus going he can avoid dealing with real issues, just like the author of the piece. When is the last time DR wrote a piece that seriously addressed a national problem? What is his clown name going to be? I vote for Crusty Loads. I can't take credit for that, I read it in another DR piece some time ago.
None 2 years ago
Mr. Rhoades, I am of the opinion that your first, and only concern when writing this column is whether or not your readers will comment using this forum, so the cut-and-paste regurgitation of what passed for news last week is easily understood and maybe falls in lockstep with the guidance you get from your handlers at the Pilot.
However, from time to time I [along with some of your other readers] would like to see you steer clear of predictability, think “out of the box” and push your intellectual envelope…surprise the readership with original thought or opinion.
You’re taking the easy way, the path of least resistance and I make the assumption,below your potential given your education.
None 2 years ago
JK, since you're going to read me (and comment) no matter what I say, I'll just keep on keepin' on.
And as usual, you're not taking a stand, other than "Dusty suxxxx" so....you a birther or not? If so, I got the clown shoes and the red nose for you right here.
None 2 years ago
Point being, it WAS NOT newsworthy 2 years ago, nor 2 weeks ago, especially coming from a narcissistic billionaire, and it’s not relevant here. But for the “record”, I have never doubted President Obama’s standing as a US citizen born right here in the good old USA…only his aptitude for executive leadership and views on domestic policy and agenda.
Furthermore, you are correct in that I often disagree with your take on politics in America and especially the way in which you choose to “take a stand”. But it should also be noted “for the record” I have liked and even agreed with some of your columns, albeit rarely, and used this venue to say so.
Far and balanced just like you know who…
None 2 years ago
"lockstep" here we go with the Nazi bit again! "Handlers at The Pilot', and "cut-and-paste regurgitation" Crafty use of words I must say, but lost me somewhere. ...Way to convoluted to make any real sense to those without an exemplary education. Did you happen to see the budget for schools? It’s called Republican Legislation to Dumb Down America’s children. So resist using those big words.
fugitiveguy 2 years ago
"It’s called Republican Legislation to Dumb Down America’s children. So resist using those big words."
Sorry, the arm of the Democratic party known as teachers unions are way out in front on this one.
fugitiveguy 2 years ago
"Too often it has a racial tinge to it."
No, it doesn't. However because one of the favorite tricks in the book of liberalism is phony accusations of racism. Of course black faces are few at these events, not because they wouldn't be welcome rather because blacks vote Dem over 90% of the time. If a black dares to be conservative he is labeled an Uncle Tom or a house N-word. Equally phoney is the charge that Obama is opposed largely due to race. A crock perpetuated by that senile fool Jimmy Carter. Please name one administration in which blacks held more higher positions than under GWB.
Ross 2 years ago
Hey - there actually are some lucid posts here :)
Ross 2 years ago
What a do nothing president. I'll bet he even takes time to hit the bathroom a few times daily.
"justpassingby" - would really be nice if you would simply passusby!
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Obama's smackdown of Trump, Fox News and the birthers at the WH Correspondent's dinner was way funnier.
SamSewell 2 years ago
IS THIS DOCUMENT VALID? - YES OR NO AND REASON WHY http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-this-document-valid-yes-or-no-and.html "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Barack Hussein Obama - AKA Barry Soetoro - August 21, 2010
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Yes, because it was produced and certified by the State of Hawaii. Thanks for playing, Zippy, now get back in the little car with the other clowns.
SH59 2 years ago
I don't see any reason why it isn't valid. What is your problem?
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Which of us are you addressing?
SH59 2 years ago
Sorry, I was replying to Sam's question about validity.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
No apology necessary,
keke 2 years ago
Careful when clicking on the aforementioned link, folks.
<p>"thesteadydrip.blogspot.com contains content from www.chronwatch-america.com, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site."I use Google Chrome as my browser, if you use Internet Explorer or Firefox you may not be warned about it.
SamSewell 2 years ago
ChronWatch no longer exists. My blog is clean and always has been. The only browser that shows this warning is "CHROME".
"CHROME" users are getting a false MALWARE warning for "The Steady Drip" This blog is clean and always has been.
Simply use any browser other than "CHROME" to access "The Steady Drip".
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""CHROME" users are getting a false MALWARE warning for "The Steady Drip""
steadyjohn said... Google says after the warning: "If you understand that visiting this site may harm your computer, proceed anyway." I am visiting now on Firefox now; no problem. I hope you can get off the Google s**t list!...John
Abby says:
Sorry Sam, You will “NEVER” get off Google s**t list!
Eric E. Schmidt is the chairman of Google Inc., was an Obama-Biden economic advisory team member, a 2008 Barack Obama presidential campaign supporter, and a 2008 Bilderberg conference participant (think tank).
jimt 2 years ago
Help, help, the paranoids are after me!!!!
sgmartin 2 years ago
It is kind of amazing that this won't die and it detracts from the real work that needs to be done - $4 + gas, Libya, 2 wars, the economy, jobs, health care, crumbling state budgets. Now that the Royal Wedding is over and the birth certificate has been produced, hopefully the media will not allow themselves to get caught up on college transcripts - since that isn't required to be president. I wish I were more hopeful. I do wish we could move past the "you liberals", "you conservatives" rhetoric since I know I hate the broad brush stroke. People are way more complicated and it doesn't accomplish anything but fuel the fire and avoid real problem solving.
Bflat 2 years ago
Whew....at last the birth certificate has been shown.
Ross 2 years ago
yes - now you will need something else to be angry about!
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
SGM...I wouldn't wait around for this Liar in Chief to do anything about gas prices...he has publicly stated that he would like to see expensive gas because then maybe the general public ( broke and out of work, right now and not seeing any help from his policies ) would all run out and buy cars that get fifty miles to the gallon with little props and solar panels on the roof and we could buy the rest of the oil that we need for important things ( such as the national security ) from other countries that we are lending money ( which we don't have right now due to his lack of leadership ) so that THEY can drill for oil. WOW!! What a leader that was elected when the country was swayed by promises of hope and change and open government. None of which we have seen, of course. Don't blame the Tea Partiers or the GOP for the waste of time waiting to see his birth certificate...I totally agree with the idea that HE could have put an end to this controversy fairly quickly but apparently couldn't take time off from the golf course to pick up a phone and say to someone "Hey,' tis the liarinchief, and why don't y'all show that thing to somebody and let'sput this foolishness behind us!"
moonchild7 2 years ago
Osama bin Laden is DEAD! I guess it took our "MUSLIM" President to KILL that MUSLIM TERRORIST. Why didn't George Bush get him first? Anyone have a clue? Probably not with the idiocy that's being written here today.
TOYTIME 2 years ago
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skylinefirepest 2 years ago
MC7...you apparently don't have any idea of what real idiocy is. Spending your great-grandchildren into the poorhouse is an idiotic thing! Osama dead...and a Muslim sympathizer takes credit...you just hate to say that the hunt started under Bush don't you?? And if you ever bother yourself to ask any of the guys that have served in Afganistan they will tell you that finding someone in those mountains is next to impossible. The word is that he had long ago stopped using cellphones, computers, etc. because he knew that Uncle Sam was listening and was going to come for him wherever in the world he might try to hide. The military that Bush respected and loved is the same military that is serving in foreign countries right now, and having already spoken to one of the guys, I know that the military, current and ex, are happy this morning. But don't get ready to give up on our vigilance right away. We are at war with Muslim extremists and they want us dead and the death of the gfsob ( politeness reigns here ) will not deter them from striking again. As I type this crowds have gathered and are continuing to gather at Times Square, Ground Zero, and in front of the White House to celebrate
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
The vast majority of Americans greet this as good news, as evidenced by the celebrations at the WH and Ground Zero. So rave on, wingnuts and TPers kvetching about TelePrompTers and conspiracy theories and how the Commander in Chief had "nothing to do with this" and deserves no credit. Every sentence shows just how radical and how far out of the mainstream you really are and makes you more irrelevant.
Oh, and...
USA! USA! USA!
moonchild7 2 years ago
As with so many others writing here, skylinefirepest, you are OUT OF LINE and HAVEN'T A CLUE when you say I have no idea what real idiocy is. My son lives and works just several blocks from GROUND ZERO. He was there last night in celebration over the killing of OBL, jubilant for AMERICA. I don't HATE that the hunt for OBL started under Bush...I HATE that we were attacked under his Presidency and that at some point(after Tora Bora and the invasion of Iraq)trying to even find OBL was apparently curtailed. President Obama made this his FIRST priority as President and he was smart enough to use our JSOC/Navy Seals teams to find and kill his "you-know-what". I too know that the military is very happy this morning. I happen to know one of the original founding members of JSOC. I accept your apology. Now President Obama can get back to "cleaning" up the fiscal nightmare that Bush left him.
nolabel 2 years ago
Exactly moonchild, and GWB said "we want him dead or alive." All the reports coming out are saying President Obama's orders were to kill. Yes he is real soft on terror right? This shouldn't even be a partisan issue, but the right wing can't handle what has just happened because it happened under President Obama. Isn't it fitting that it happened on the 8th anniversary of GWB's "mission accomplished" declaration. This is a victory for our nation. It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is.
nolabel 2 years ago
Here is a video of Bush saying "I don't know where OBL is, and frankly I don't spend too much time thinking about it." Skylinefirepest is just showing ignorance on this. "A muslim sympathizer" really? OBL killed plenty of muslims. link text When will people like Skylinefirepest learn the difference between "muslims," and "islmamic extremists?" There are American muslims that were killed on 9/11. No one should be diminished because of their religion. GWB never "hunted" in Pakistan. He also said that Bin Laden was "somewhere" in a cave. He counldn't find him in 8 years, yet he was found 2 years in to the Obama Presidency, and you can't handle that. Throw out all the "muslim sympathizer" labels that you would like, but it just makes you look hateful and childish.
The following are all quotes by GWB regarding "muslims." I guess he was a "muslim sympathizer" as well.
The United States is a nation dedicated to religious tolerance and freedom, and President Bush has acted to ensure that the world's Muslims know that America appreciates and celebrates the traditions of Islam.
"Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace."
"Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith. But ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what America stands for, and hate the freedom of the Czech Republic. And therefore, we must work together to defend ourselves. And by remaining strong and united and tough, we'll prevail."
"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."
"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."
"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."
TOYTIME 2 years ago
When flipping through channels this morning getting ready for work, I heard that one of the clues that led to UBLs death was obtained through interigations from 2004 in Gitmo, anyone else heard that? Congrats to the Obama administration, but more than anything else, any service members out there reading this THANK YOU so much, wonderful day for our country!
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
I find it doubtful that this op was being run off 7 year old intel. Nice try.
TOYTIME 2 years ago
why?
TOYTIME 2 years ago
Nevermind Dusty, your right, this story explains it. THIS WAS NOT A NICE TRY, http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344&page=2
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
As usual. the link you say "proves" your point, does no such thing. Read better.
TOYTIME 2 years ago
Dusty, in my post I said your right? Take it down a notch buddy I was agreeing with you. Read better.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Heh. Apologies. Guess I'm the one that should have read better.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
And again. James spends way too much time fantasizing about what I'm doing.
None 2 years ago
Wasn't Gitmo James. Super secret clandestine operation in another country. I "believe" it was Turkey". CIA extracted the info about the couriers.
nolabel 2 years ago
As a matter of fact Brennen has stated that they believe OBL was in that compound since 2005, therefore waterboarding was bit effective. The courier was intercepted by a phone call. Khalid Sheik Mohammed knew the courier and was of course water boarded, but did not give them any specific info. So if waterboarding was so effective, why was OBL in his compound since 2005 and Bush was unable to locate him? ON the contrary most experts even a former Republican official have said that it just proves that waterboarding is not effective. Nice try though James.
nolabel 2 years ago
They did say that some 9/11 detainees gave them info about a courier, however they did not give them the name of the courier, or much information to go off of. They had to search for him for years, and finally were tipped off by a phone conversation. He was speaking to someone from a far distance and the US was taping the conversation. This is what ultimately what led them to that compound. It shows that Pakistan can not be trusted in my opinion. So I guess one could try to conclude that waterboarding is what led them to the courier but most experts disagree. The information was not good and that's why it took years for this individual to be tracked. As a matter of fact they said that Sheik Mohammed tried to throw them off there again showing that the waterboarding wasn't all that effective. He did not sing like a bird. Congrats as you say to the Navy Seals and to all of our wonderful men and women of the military that serve this country each and every day without complaint.
James thinks that DR will cringe but I don't know why. The truth is that OBL was captured under President Obama, not Bush. That's the end of the discussion really.
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
MC7...I don't apologize because I can stand behind what I have said using YOUR own writings. Read what you said last night, for instance. I don't give a hockey what administration got him...WE...THE USA got him. There was nowhere he could hide that we couldn't get him eventually. And I do wish you all, several included here, could stop blaming Bush for the ills of the Obama administration. Nolabel, if you wish to discuss what I know or don't know about the difference between Islam and Muslim extremists, just say the word and I'll give you my phone number so we can discuss it outside of a very public forum. And as to whether GWB could or could not find him it was an ongoing effort of our very great military. I couldn't help but think that the highlight of one's career would be this event...and they can't tell anybody that they were on the team because of security reasons. It is a momentous occasion for this country and a time that the death of a truly evil man can be celebrated.
moonchild7 2 years ago
Of course skylinefirepest, you don't give a hockey what administration got him....you just wish it had been Bush and NOT President Obama. It should have been the Bush Adminstration to get him but like I SAID, after Tora Bora and the Iraq Invasion the "Super Secret Military Teams" working on finding him had their "Wings Clipped"! Do you understand what that means? Or maybe it was the PIZZA DELIVERY GUY in Abbottabad that "ratted" him out and NOT the Navy Seals Intelligence?! And give it a try here to "explain" the difference between Islam and Muslim Extremists. Try.
None 2 years ago
You go MC-7....
None 2 years ago
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nolabel 2 years ago
Exactly MC7. By all accounts the President gave the order not to "bomb" the compound but to go in so that they could retrieve evidence. Our Navy Seals are the best in the world. This was a joint effort but GWB according to his own words was not concerned about where Bin Laden was. President Obama has always said that he believes he was in Pakistan somewhere. I really believe had GWB been President they would have bombed the place without a second thought about the intelligence that could be found on the inside. Either way this was a meticulous operation, and the Commander in Chief made the right call, and the right decision.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
Had President Obama made the above statements the Fox News crew and all of the right wing conspiracy theorists would have trashed him for it.
moonchild7 2 years ago
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jimt 2 years ago
This whole business seems fishy to me. I mean, after all, bin Laden's compound was near one of the best golf courses in Pakistan. How hard could it be to spot a 6' 6" Arab with a long beard, wearing a turban, playing golf???
I think Obama probably knew his real location several years ago, I bet even while he was a "community organizer" in Chicago -- where he worked to mandate Sharia law in the U.S. He just waited until he needed political kudos to buttress his reelection chances, before authorizing the attack. He deliberately put brave U.S. fighting men into harm's way just for his own political objectives.
I bet W would never, never, do such a thing. Besides, everyone knows that it was the Liberals in Congress that kept Bush from finding bin Laden. Every time Bush briefed the House or Senate Intelligence Committees on the hunt for bin Laden, as required by law, one or more of the Liberals would warn bin Laden. Obama obviously had him killed rather than captured so bin Laden could never expose these Liberals.
Ross 2 years ago
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mcg2010 2 years ago
I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic.
Ross 2 years ago
trust me - he "isn't"
SH59 2 years ago
JIMT, You can't be that far gone can you?
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
From jimt's previous posting, I can pretty much guarantee he's kidding. The problem with wingnuts is that they're so far out that it's hard to parody them.
skylinefirepest 2 years ago
Ok, MC, you don't have a clue about military operations do you? The wings were not clipped under Bush IN THE SLIGHTEST, do you understand that? And I really don't care who got him so don't try to put words in my mouth. We got him, he's gone to see his virgins, I hope he's not too hot where I think he is now. Yes, I'm a Conservative, and I will not apologize for that...as I will not apologize for speaking out where I see a liar, a man who has never put ONE HOUR into service for his country, leading our country into financial ruin.
jimt 2 years ago
You know, except for the skylinefire part, you've named yourself perfectly.
SamSewell 2 years ago
Given the number of hits I am getting on the “Prove it to Yourself” post it seems to me that many readers are responding with a different attitude than represented by most of those who post in the comments section. For those who still prefer to examine evidence rather than make snap judgments I call your attention to: VIDEO - Obama birth certificate is a Fake - analysis of why http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/05/video-obama-birth-certificate-is-fake.html
jimt 2 years ago
Sam,
'Cause most of us aren't morons.
SamSewell 2 years ago
I am a life member or MENSA. Membership # 1061487 IQ isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not someone has been brainwashed by the media and the government.
jimt 2 years ago
o.k., you're not a moron -- just foolish
but all the other birthers are morons, especially Ugly Taitz.
jimt 2 years ago
Sam, Get back on The Pilot website asap, the silent, invisible, One-World Government helicopters will be landing near you shortly, but need to hone in on your address a bit better. By the way, do you prefer your padded cells white or beige (we already know you don't like them black)?
SamSewell 2 years ago
My arsenal is adequate. Stinger vs helicopter - no contest. Even if the stinger and chopper are both figments of your ridicule fantasy.
jimt 2 years ago
Duh, the helicopers are silent and invisible. For a alleged MENSA member your reading comprehension don't seem too good. Plus it's illegal to privately own a stinger, and as a right-thinking 'Merican, you'd never do anything illegal, right?
JER 2 years ago
I looked up your MENSA membership number. It appears to be fake.
SamSewell 2 years ago
Bad research!
http://www.news-press.com/section/coastallife
OR
http://www.news-press.com/article/20110426/COASTAL_LIFE/110426044/1214/COASTAL_LIFE/Mensans-enjoy-good-conversations-differences
jimt 2 years ago
You know as well as I do that it's easy to fake this sort of "proof." Let's see the long-form of your MENSA membership application, their letter of acceptance, raw film negatives of all your interactions with other so-called MENSA officials and other "members," your original I.Q. answer sheet(s), transcripts and other court materials of those who supported your applications, and so on. Don't waste our time anymore until you have all this material assembled. And make sure a chain-of-custody is maintained as well.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Let's see the long-form of your MENSA membership application
And it better not have layers!
moonchild7 2 years ago
I don't have to "have a clue" because I instead READ&LISTEN to what the experts(as in Generals, Former Special Ops guys, Former CIA Directors, and the former JSOC person I know)have to say concerning the "situation". That's usually how I LEARN things skylinefirepest. And what several of them have said is that after 2007, bin Laden's "TRAIL" went cold and they curtailed operations. They didn't STOP them, they CURTAILED them! I am very inquisitive though and also have read&heard that the WAR in Iraq had something also to do with the fact that the Bush Administration stopped making the hunt for bin Laden a priority. What I have said is NOTHING I KNOW! But It's what has been explained to us by those who do. Thanks Toda and nolabel.
SamSewell 2 years ago
Why is it that so many liberals do personal attacks rather than use facts or logic?
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/jan/14/mensa-offers-brain-teasers-fun-fellowship/
See Saul Alinsky rule below...
RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)
The "progressive movement" has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason. Uninformed voted Obama - http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html
This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.
You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
WHERE'S THE MENSA APPLICATION?
SamSewell 2 years ago
I see that this forum is infected with Obot PSYOPS Agents. Here s some advice on how to deal with them. Winning Against Obots and Astroturfers Three videos that will be a big help. Listen up! This guy talks fast. Also see the links at the bottom. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/winning-against-obots-and-astroturfers.html
How to Stop Obot Spammers in their Tracks! http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-to-stop-obot-spammers-in-their.html
Post these articles when you detect one of AKA Obama’s agents.
Exposing Obama’s PSYOPS Agents and Tactics http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html
Cass Sunstein – The Red General - and Saul Alinsky his Ideological Father http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/01/cass-sunstein-red-general-and-saul.html
Also see: Obots, meet the beast which sired you! http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/01/obots-meet-beast-which-sired-you.html
Outing Obama’s Internet Brownshirts ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, LET’S SHINE A LIGHT ON OBAMA POLITICAL OPERATIVES! http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Obot PSYOPS Agents
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! Oh, my, you are going to provide us with HOURS of entertainment, I can see now.
SamSewell 2 years ago
Voice of Reason Joins the Eligibility Debate!- Professor at the Law School of Notre Dame
Is he or Isn't he an American citizen? - Professor Emeritus at the Law School of Notre Dame University
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-he-or-isnt-he-american-citizen.html
moonchild7 2 years ago
SamSewell, are you a rusty robot?
SH59 2 years ago
Sam, it's hard to take you seriously after reading your blog Intellectual Conservative. That's the craziest unsubstantiated story telling I've ever seen. Just because you write it on your blog doesn't make it true.
SamSewell 2 years ago
My blog is "The Steady Drip". Intellectual Conservitive publishes my articles but it isn't my blog
SamSewell 2 years ago
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/05/birth-certificate-anomaly-how-could.html Birth Certificate Anomaly - How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that the country "Kenya" did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".
# # # # #
December 12, 1963: : Kenyan independence day. 1964: The Republic of Kenya (Jamhuri ya Kenya) is formed with Kenyatta as president and Oginga Odinga as vice president. The party KADU dissolves and integrates with KANU. The government is without opposition. Source http://crawfurd.dk/africa/kenya_timeline.htm
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Oh., Lord, this crazy BS again.
General elections were held in Kenya in February 1961. The result was a victory for the Kenya African National Union, which won 19 of the 33 elected seats. In addition, a further 20 seats were reserved for minotity communities (ten for whites, eight for Indians and two for Arabs) and 10 for appointees.
The people of Kenya had been calling it that for some time, regardless of what the Brits called it.
Zombie lies arise again and again.
Here's another interesting tidbit: from http://www.hindu.com/2011/02/03/stories/2011020350330602.htm
dated February 3, 1961: Kenya Supreme Court
Mr. Chunilal Bhagwandas Madan, Q.C., has been appointed Puisne Judge of the Kenya Supreme Court. Mr. Madan will be the first Asian Judge in the history of Kenya. The Governor, Sir Patrick Renison, has accordingly accepted Mr. Madan's resignation as Minister without portfolio, a post which he has held since 1956 in the Kenya Cabinet. Born in Kenya in 1912, Mr. Madan has been President of the Nairobi Indian Association several times.
I suppose some time traveler went back and planted the name Kenya in a 1961 newspaper in India just to throw us off the trail. Or maybe an OBOT PSYOPS AGENT!!!!
Anyone who believes anything Zippy says after this is beyond hope.
None 2 years ago
Perhaps it's a smoke screen to sell snake oil vitamins for the unsuspecting person with high blood pressure. Take one SnakeLee compound and you will live forever without prescribed pharmaceuticals....
SamSewell 2 years ago
Thank you for a factual comment. Debate using facts is far suppior to ridicule and name calling. Too bad you ruined it with a person attack aat the end.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Newborn baby crying by Stephen Koch
SamSewell 2 years ago
So, I guess you would have us believe that the State of Hawaii would have designated a birth place in a country that didn't exist yet even if it was unofficially being called by the name "Kenya" by people who lived in East Africa? Of is your explanation that the State of Hawaii allowed people to personally designate their place of birth even if the country did not officially exist?
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
The registrar has previously confirmed (the last time this Zombie Lie was refuted) that they put down as the parent's birthplace whatever the parent tells them. If a Kenyan called it Kenya, they'd put that down. They had better things to do than prepare for the Nutballs of the Future.
TOYTIME 2 years ago
Did you steal my tin foil?
SH59 2 years ago
Sam, your conspiracy issues are really making you look a little crazy. What would it take to be able to move past this. What exactly do you want to see happen?
SamSewell 2 years ago
I want Obama to practice the virtue of full disclosure. I want his entire history revealed and I want any documents examined by qualified forensic examiners.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
At which point you'll claim something wrong with the examination. Nothing satisfies you people.
SH59 2 years ago
You make it out like Obama has the ability to scam everyone and no one in the government was capable of vetting him before he became president. Don't you think all that has been done already? Holding on to this is nonsense and really distracts people from facing the real issues going on in our country.
Ross 2 years ago
whew............I need to get off this crazy merry-go-round.............NOW
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
By the way, this OMG THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE PDF IS A FAKE IT HAS LAYERS malarkey has been debunked by, of all people, the conservative National Review Online:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Oh, and Zippy?
Official BRITISH documents were referring to "Kenya" as far back as 1921:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xv--GIaxVl4C&pg=PA163&dq=colony+of+Kenya+1900&hl=en&ei=33K8Tau2BYfUtQOO4vDHBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=colony%20of%20Kenya%201900&f=false
teufelhunden 2 years ago
Could you be a little less rude? There are mature ways to prove a point.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Nope. http://farblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/happy-bunny-c100863172.jpeg
BTW, it's always gratifying when you people start crying over me being "rude" and stop trying to argue. It means you have no other answer but whining that you're getting beaten.
SamSewell 2 years ago
At issue is the claim that Hawaii recognized the legitimacy of a foreign nation before that nation was legitimate, and before that nation was recognised by the U.S. government. Could that be? As to the National Review article, they jumped the gun with an article published on the same day that the phony BC was released, and they are just plain wrong.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
"Recognized the legitimacy"?
We're talking about a clerk filling out a form, Zippy, not the State Department. And just saying "NRO was wrong" is pure handwaving away of inconvenient facts. Fact is, the whole "layers" thing is how PDF's work if you're using OCR to scan a document. You're clutching for straws.
teufelhunden 2 years ago
You people? Beaten? Really? DR don't you think as a representative of this paper you could be a bit more civilized? I have respectfully read both "sides" of this conversation without comment, so your "beaten" comment is reaching. I may think some other posters are ridiculous, but you seem to throw out any sense of propriety and bash those who inadvertently support your column.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Yawn. Do you ever have anything interesting to say?
SamSewell 2 years ago
"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Barack Hussein Obama - AKA Barry Soetoro - August 21, 2010
If Obama would just quit hiding things I could accept his full disclosure. Without full disclosure a large segment of the population will remain justifiably suspicious.
SH59 2 years ago
Sam, you're an idiot and have lost any credibility. Do you wear a tin foil hat?
moonchild7 2 years ago
Janny Scott has just written a BIOGRAPHY about President Obama's Mom called "A Singular Woman." She interviewed over 200 people(including the President)and found absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Obama was born anywhere else than HAWAII. She say's of the BIRTHERS: "....this is a classic conspiracy theory and it feeds on information that may well be to the contrary but is all taken to be evidence of the conspiracy." SamSewell, you state that "Without full disclosure a large segment of the population will remain justifiably suspicious." Could it be possible that the "large segement" is a HUGE bunch of PARANOID WHITE PEOPLE?! Ya think?
SamSewell 2 years ago
The most liberal Senator in America gets elected in the most crooked election in the nation’s history and the lamebrains who support him think he is opposed because of his race. These same halfwits think a phony document posted on the Internet proves this same con man is eligible to hold the highest office in the land.
He is opposed because he is a crooked big city con man with a socialist agenda. Alan Keyes is strongly opposed to Obama. Is he a racist? Is Michael Steele a racist? Is this guy a racist? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/12/we-were-tricked-in-2008-now-fix.html
Are these women racists? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-obama-racist.html And: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obamas-birth-certificate-issue-wont.html
Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?
Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?
Why aren’t the polls on the birth certificate issue 100% in favor of AKA Obama practicing the virtue of full disclosure? It makes sense that supporters of AKA Obama would want the issue settled along with everyone else. I guess there is a significant portion of the population who are opposed to releasing AKA Obama’s history because they are afraid of what it will reveal. I would conclude that those opposed to releasing all of Obama’s history are frightened of the truth just like AKA Obama.
If you are not suspicious of a man who hides his history I have a bridge in the desert I want to sell you.
If you are unwilling to call for an investigation of a man who attempts to sell you a bridge in the desert I have some beach front property in Florida at the intersection of I75 and Florida # 29 that I want you to buy.
If you place a down payment on a contract for the bridge in the desert and the beach front property in the swamp I would conclude that you voted for Obama.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
And now the truly unhinged raving begins.
You're a joke here now, Zippy. Even the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts won't back you up.
SamSewell 2 years ago
see
SamSewell 2 years ago
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dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Do go on, Zippy. You're showing your true colors more with every post.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
He lied about being in Mensa, posted link after link to his snake-oil marketing, virus infested website, and posted a lot of birther nonsense that I noted had already been refuted. Pretty much everyone is either mocking him or ignoring him, so now he's raging and foaming at the mouth and fantasizing of my death like the maniacal loon he is.
I see the Ban-hammer headed his way.
moonchild7 2 years ago
The NETS! The NETS! Where are the NETS?!!!! 89% of rank and file Republicans are white and only 12% are black and/or hispanic(Gallup). I think that's what is called "WHITE POWER." Can someone get the NETS?!
SamSewell 2 years ago
The liberals buy votes by using public money to create benefits for their constituents. If everyone on the public dole would be required to turn in their voting registration card the Democratic party would disappear.
SamSewell 2 years ago
The birth certificate story is a small but illustrative example. Yes, the facts said that Obama was born in Hawaii but they also said he was acting like someone who was hiding something. No reporter should have been ashamed of asking why.
It is what reporting was once about but too rarely is anymore.
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
Yes, the facts said that Obama was born in Hawaii
So you're conceding this point?
LeeMcGraw 2 years ago
Dusty...Do you equally use "WingNuts" for the Far Left as well as the Far Right? not on topic....but who really is?
dustyrhoades 2 years ago
I have in the past applied the term "Drama Queens" to the Left, but wing nuts would just create confusion.