Nothing Funny About It

Yukonjohn 1 year, 10 months ago

The only Republican candidate that makes any sense whatsoever is Ron Paul. None of the rest of the field has a chance against the current President!! We really do need to get back to our Constitution, one that has made us the greatest Nation on the face of the earth, but we are faltering. All of the rest of the R's say they want smaller govt., want govt out of our lives, but they REALLY only want us to think and act like they do. If we are all good subjects, they will allow the govt. to show us mercy. I, for one, have had enough of their lies, them and the Dems.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

Please explain your words why as to ..."None of the rest of the field has a chance against the current President'. That is the exact statement many of the democratic pundits and politicians have been using for sometime now. While explaining your reasoning, let us know all the things this administration brought to American families that we mant more of?? This should be interesting.

This 2012 election will be run and waged on governing and performance records or lack of; not platitudes and hope something good might happen. The election will also be looking for the candidate who has an ability of choosing and surrounding him/herself with a cabinet of like wise knowledgeable people who will place all American families and individuals first; and not their political party or personal ideology. Sound thinking Americans of all races, nationalities, ethnicities will do the right thing this time around. They will actually study the candidates and then choose wisely. They are ALL burned out with working to get ahead and then being placed last to political party loyalty and pay offs which netted them and their families terrible pain and personal loss. They are willing and able to fight and work their way back to the lifestyle they made for themselves, but need a President and cabinet who will assist that rebound. I forecast a blow out for any Republican candidate who chooses to stick with conservative values, explain these values and then take the political fight to Obama based on his track record. Obama took the fight to McCain and McCain chose to be gentle, complimentary and reach across the aisle to avoid personal controversey; where did that get him and more importantly, where did that get us and our country?. This election will be about the American people recovering from the financial blight Obama and his chosen cabinet chose and continues to place us all in. We are going to climb out of that political trap this time around....Mike

BigE 1 year, 10 months ago

Teleprompters and (padded) resume? That's the best you got?

The only GOP's who have a chance will be moderates. Actually, I believe Huntsman is the only one with a chance with the overall population, but, LOL, he may have a hard time with his own party! Whacko far right candidates have as little chance as whacko left wing candidates. (I know your favorite radio personalities tell you the President is a radical but the facts and evidence show clearly that he is practical and more towards center left. Ask any liberal.)

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

Well said. Anyone who calls Obama a "leftist" should hear from some real leftists sometime.

debsalomon 1 year, 10 months ago

"Midnight Express to Marxism......." Would that be Harpo or Groucho?

greentara13 1 year, 10 months ago

That's funny! :)

FaithinUSA 1 year, 10 months ago

I agree YukonJohn....If we vote for the party line we are only going to get more of the same. The two party "s are really one party. Ron Paul wants to audit the Fed. It should of been done years ago and he wants the fair tax . Our tax system is CRAZY...its to big and to complicated..it needs to have the K.I.S.S method put in effect. Even the so called tax experts can't figure out the so called "tax code". And the Government is to big and to bloated.... Do you know what the definition of stupidity is? "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"

Roorke 1 year, 10 months ago

Mauiman: do you not know that the gullible, I mean democrats, that will be voting do not care about President Obama's lack of record on anything? They are far removed from reality, getting their "facts" from Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz, a true gensius, such as the French believed of Jerry Lewis. Let them bask in the glory of 'Summer Of Recovery Part 2' and the 'Non-kinetic Humanitarian War'.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

I think MANY Democrats do care about track records and performance; or lack of tangible results this time around Roorke. Obama does now have a track record to examine; a pitiful one at that. Now during his first campaign...Your right, he had no track record; but that did not matter to the majority of the voters back then. As a matter of fact, Obama had an enormous pile of baggage on the first go around which still did not hurt him much. ALL American voters will scrutinize things much closer and fairer this time around as their personal well being and their families counts on it....Mike

Easygoing 1 year, 10 months ago

Quite the negative rant. Ms Fagen seems to be full of dislike (or a stronger feeling) for columnists and our President. Looks like she gets most of her information from FOX News. Maybe she should harness that emotion into a more positive outlet.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

The fact that Deb's column has inspired so many humorless Mrs. Grundys to purse their lips and wag their fingers in disapproval means she's hit just the right nerve. You keep doing what you do, Deb.

debsalomon 1 year, 10 months ago

Please read my blog posted today, defining satire...not my sophmoric observations, just the genre.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

Say it loud! I'm sophomoric and I'm proud!

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Still wondering why the last letter required an editor's note to defend your column. I asked before but my post "disappeared".

jimt 1 year, 10 months ago

Please, oh please nominate Paul, pleeeeeeze. I'm changing my registration so I can vote for him or Bachmann.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

The college grad who spent 4 of the most exciting years of his life with all the babes and pizza that his academic schedule would allow is about to step out into the real world and find out what a $100,000 college loan and maxed out credit card does for his quality of life.

I hope we had as much fun the last few years, because we are about to step out into real life and find out what $14.5 trillion in debt does for our quality of life. Maybe $28 trillion would give us an even better return on our "investment."

We can at least hope that the "Detroit in the summertime" riots stay in the larger cities, but the poverty will affect all of us.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Nationalize the banks and health care. When that's done, then it's time to take over the oil, gas, and coal industries. If there is anyone still out there who can't see that the Republicans want to PRIVATIZE and/or eliminate every GOVERNMENT AGENCY possible then your blinders are quite BLINDING to say the least. ALL of those LAME Republicans, who proclaim such an "interest" in fixing the GOVERNMENT, when it's really about DESTROYING our GOVERMENT, have NO CREDIBILITY what-so-ever. They won't even discuss raising taxes on the wealthy and are now close to having our country DEFAULT. When the tax base ERRODES due to the REPUBLICANS belief that the only GOOD GOVERNMENT is a GOVERNMENT that can run itself without collecting REVENUE, then the SUPER CRAZIES seem to have permenantly ROOSTED in Washington D.C.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

Yes, we need to natioanlize everything. Bring on socialism. Only the Gov't knows how to run things economically. Socialism is the only answer to saving us. There are too many money hungry capitalists out there only interested in making a buck and do not care one bit about others. We need more healthcare, social security & welfare to help those that won't help themselves..

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Treadlightly, who in the world told you to BORROW $100,000 for college? And MAXED out credit cards? WHY? If your degree isn't either in LAW, MEDICINE or ENGINEERING you're going to be having a rough time of it for years to come. I really want to know who would ADVISE a young person to do such a thing! I do hope you'll be able to pay your debt down sooner than later but if not, well good luck. It's just not a good way to start your future.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Davenc, apparently she did not read the site you posted.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

I did not borrow money to go to college--just using the illustration of the kind of mess that Obama has put us in by borrowing a few trillion dollars for us to pay back! Great while the checks were being written, but our standard of living will take a hit paying it back.

I didn't borrow a nickel, but at $46,000 for every man, woman and child, my wife and I owe $92,000. That was a suicidal economic move, and I think they did it in full awareness of the effects.

Yukonjohn 1 year, 10 months ago

In my very humble opinion, we do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Rep. Dr. Paul would do amazing things to cure this. If we pulled our troops back to America and lined our borders with them to enforce our illegal problem, and quit giving money to countries that hate us, our spending problems could be brought into check. We also do not need a bunch of govt. agencies to curb our liberties, and stiffle the economic engine that America can be. The drug war that is such a dismal failure could be stopped, much to our Great Nations benefit, and get a fair tax for all. Maybe 15% for everyone that works. Take out all the loopholes, and get our Nation moving again.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Very true YukonJohn but why hasn't it happened? My generation from the 60's wanted "Pot" legalized back then but the Greatest Generation said "No". Now the Gov't talks like we're that generation who said "No" way back then but WE ARE NOT! It's just insane at this point to keep a DRUG WAR continuing when it's been a 40 yr FAILURE. Yes, STOP the WAR MADNESS too and bring all the troops home even from GERMANY! We still have a REVENUE problem and the million-billionaires need to pay up by having their LOOPHOLES closed. Gee, I guess we almost agree on everything. Rep. Ron Paul has some good ideas but other ideas are too unrealistic. Our government can't be stripped down quite as much as he'd like....there are too many complicated situations these days to not have a CDC, an EPA or an FDA, etc.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

The drug war was not lost in the multitudes of governtment agencies. It was lost in the religious/moral struggle of society.

Yukonjohn 1 year, 10 months ago

Moonchild, we might not be so far apart, but unlike you, I think we do need to get rid of the NEA, the CDC, the EPA, the IRS (as soon as we have a simple flat tax) and get these changes started. If it would cost me my job, so be it, and lets scale the govt back to 1960 levels!! It will be hard, no doubt, but our Nation will be better for it and our generation's grandkids will benefit from it. Life is too easy in our country the way it is today. After living here in Alaska and seeing so many living in 3rd world conditions in the villages, it is easy to see, Americans are way too soft.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

I’ll bet if debating rules don’t change to allow teleprompters, Obama won’t be able to utter a coherent rebuttal sentence to any of those GOP hot-air ballooners, no matter who wins the nomination from the current crop, not to mention possible late entries into the race.

You obviously have a short memory. Barack Obama, without the teleprompter, wiped the floor with John McCain in every debate they had. So, I'll take that bet.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

Partly on account that McCain allowed his name to be 'Doormat' throughout the campaign and his so called campaign became a moderate stomping ground of abuse; with no Republican political offense. Hopefully that moderate Republican venue has run it's course....Mike

Arestorer 1 year, 10 months ago

If you keep Screeming Repuplicans know best,,,,,,You will continue to loose face with Me and alot more un-affiliated voters....

carlj1161 1 year, 10 months ago

Well the TEA Party is losing favor in the country, look it up in more than just Fox news Polls. With the TEA Party moving the Republicans farther right, it's going to affect those of us who consider ourselves moderates or independents. It doesn't take a high school poli sci student to figure out that either party needs those middle of the road people to win. With the Republicans becoming more distasteful to the middle of the road, it's going to cost votes.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

I refer both of you...Arestorer & Carlj1161 to my first post up above to Yukonjohn. If you or anyone else is liberal, then you hope the Republicans campaign moderately in the knowledge they will LOSE yet once again....IE McCain! A moderate Huntsman (Pseudo Obama) as some of you hope for would be another disastrous loss for our party and for America.....He is not gonna happen, so just forget about him. The party is not designed to be moderate, it is designed to stoke up America's strength for our private sector and allow American businessman to fire up our economy once again. They and others are just waiting for a positive sign to bust loose; a sign that our current administartion refuses to make available to them???? Those middle of the road folks you refer to are anxious to see a Republican take this upcoming Presidential campaign directly and honestly, but FIRMLY to the opponent. Our candidate will state policies and How and Why they will work and elaborate on the past two years of just how and why those policies failed miserably. That will be not only a winning ticket, but a blowout. Yes...that is what most Americans of all colors, nationalities, ethnicities, etc, etc are now hoping for and they will vote accordingly and intelligently; they will not be disappointed this time around...Mike

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Yukonjohn, the overall mental, physical, and emotional heath of Americans has been improved greatly since the Depression. Why? Because of our "Socialist/Welfare" programs and our fantastic Health Care System. They helped to make this the RICHEST, POWERFUL, and MOST PRODUCTIVE country on this EARTH. While I will NOT argue that changes need to be made and budgets need to be BALANCED, to UNDO the very FABRIC of what helped make AMERICA , HISTORY"S GREATEST DEMOCRACY is troubling. It is DANGEROUS to talk about DISMANTELING the last 75 yrs of our Social and Cultural legacy. Republicans are talking destruction and not improvements. They must not take place because they have made us stronger and not weaker. The rich are making us WEK because all they see are dollar signs and NOT our HUMANITY.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

MC7 - if what you say is true, then the USSR would have been the RICHEST, POWERFUL, and MOST PRODUCTIVE country on this EARTH, not the USA.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

You can't say we lost the dopehead war, family structure is being dismantled, God is banned from schools and courthouses and kids don't care that they can't read, yet we have GREAT EMOTIONAL HEALTH.
You can not agree that "budgets need to be balanced" but NOTHING CAN BE CUT.
This great social program that saved us has become the LARGEST PART OF OUR BUDGET, and at your direction to leave it alone, it will become ALL OF THE BUDGET in just a few years.
Get real.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Wrong Courseaire, because the Soviet UNION took the TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST route to supposed prosperity and with NO TRUE CONSTITUTION or BILL of RIGHTS it FAILED. It FAILED miserably. We are DIFFERENT and SMARTER and have proved that over and over. Our 20th Century History that helped provide for the poor, the ill, minorities, women and children is one reason why we are the GREATEST Country on EARTH but if the Republican Teapots get their way, well, I'm going to sit back and take it all in just like I did during the 60's with the RIOTS, DEMONSTRATIONS, LOOTING and DEATH. Remember, I lived in Washington DC in 1968 when MLK was assasinated. I saw and smelled the burning buildings on 14th St and the National Guard Troops on every other street corner in TANKS with MACHINE GUNS. At least I will be prepared.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

You think socialism will not take us to the SAME CONCLUSION?

2, When did you become promoter of the Constitution and Bill of Rights? The Constitution has been totally disregarded by the left, and yet you think the Bill of Rights will survive? In case you haven't noticed, the Bill of Rights are just amendments to the Constitution. When it goes, what rights you have left will go with it.

I was at Fort Belvoir, on the edge of D.C when Kennedy was assasinated.
I faced MP-4 machine guns on Constitution Avenue the last two trips to Washington, just month ago.
I am fully prepared.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

The Constitution has been totally disregarded by the left,

Lie.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Okay...maybe just Obama on multiple occasions.

dustyrhoades 1 year, 10 months ago

1) Obama is not a leftist.

2). I'm curious...where do you contend Obama has "ignored the Constitution"?" I have my own opinions on what he's violated, but somehow I doubt we have the same acts in mind.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

I agree--Obama is not a leftist. He is an unapologetic Marxist. Obama has associated with mostly Marxist oriented people and organizations ALL OF HIS ADULT LIFE. Van Jones was no accident. As the lady said on national TV, they have watched his work for a long time! Van Jones is still a player on the Obama team, presently organizing a "leftist tea party." Casual reading can find tons of other names and dates.

Nationalizing auto companies, financial institutions and the health care industry is a good beginning. Transferring the assets of the auto companies to the unions was criminal. Moonbeam NAMED the next targets in a previous post.

The bribes and extortions to get ObamaCare through the Senate were nothing short of criminal.

Obama's opinion of the Constitution is that it is good enough as far as it goes, but it is sorely lacking in the fact that it does not compell the government to provide the necessities of life to the people. (Audio is available.)

His czars and use of federal agencies to put in effect rules that the Congress rejects are clearly a violation of the constitution.

The left wants to stay close enough to the constitution to make good political ads, but have little true respect for even the Bill of Rights. Look at Chicago and New York trying to put up enough cost and regulations to keep guns out of their cities. If the left had their way, only the cops and the Army would have any guns. To me, the Second Amendment is the clearest litmus test of the left's "constitutional loyalty." (Notice that state legislatures GET IT.)

Other than those few things, he is a true patriot.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

"Article 1, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

The Constitution only implies for "General Welfare of the US" and that taxes be uniform, not levied by Class. This does not means Gov't control of everything - just the reverse. The Constitution mostly provides for a National Military & Defense and gives rights to individuals and states.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

The "WEALTHY, the STATES and the RELIGIOUS" had the opportunity before the Depression to TOTALLY step up to the plate and help prevent those who were in dire straights from sinking further down the tubes. But the soup lines got longer and those who were unemployed grew by leaps and bounds. The DANGER of letting a situation like that to fester up to an unimaginable BOIL put our GOVERNMENT in the position of having to do what it hadn't done before. That's the "GENERAL WELFARE of the US". If something hadn't been done...well. So, where were the programs being provided by those who could have done something? Church EMPLOYMENT Programs? WEALTHY Hospitals? STATE soup kitchens? Of course some did what they could but the numbers of those without became a DANGER for the stability of AMERICA. Helping those who are without is NEVER a bad thing to do. Help can lead to learning and learning can led to self-reliance. Surely you understand that the issues involving health and employment are what our country has to solve. I have yet to see the COCA-COLA Hospital or the DONALD TRUMP Food Stamp Office. The Baptist welfare office? The JP Morgan Employment office? Where are they? WHERE ARE THEY?!!!!!!!! It's a FREE country...they can open them up any time they want.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

I hate to break the news, but Jesus had the right formula. Christians should help the widows and orphans. They could do a much better job if the government did not tax them to give checks and food stamps to the able bodied people that Paul wrote about at Thessalonica. Paul said, if they won't work, they should not eat.

Safety nets are a great thing for the sick and disabled. They are destructive to able bodied healthy people waiting to find a job "in their line of work."

When someone hands a person WELFARE FUNDS, there needs to be local accountability. Someone who can be in touch with the recipient, and know whether he is buying milk or drugs.

We understand that taking a wild animal into captivity and feeding it for several years renders it crippled to survive if put back in its home. We fail to understand that welfare does the same thing to human beings.

I lived in a country with NO WELFARE to any except the sick and eldery. Everyone found jobs, even if it was not the one they wanted.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Well said. People need a purpose in life. If you hand them everything, there is no purpose.

teufelhunden 1 year, 10 months ago

That was very, very well said. Thank you.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Coca Cola is involved with Children's Miracle Network Hospitals, and I believe you'll find Donald Trump has donated hundreds of thousands to various hospitals and philanthropic organizations. Have you heard of the Baptists Mens Missions. They're often first on scene to aid in helping and re-building after disasters. Don't you know our local churches have food banks and clothes closets? Local churches have gotten together to care for the homeless, providing shelter, food, rides and training. Some churches provide assistance with electric bills. Coalition for Human Care? Surely you have heard of these things?

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

Here's one of the WEALTHY doing his service for the cause:

"Billionaire George Soros spends tens of millions each year supporting a range of liberal social and political causes, from drug legalization to immigration reform to gay marriage to abolishing the death penalty.

But a less well-known Soros priority -- replacing elections for judges with selection-by-committee -- now has critics accusing him of trying to stack the courts."

CHANCE 1 year, 10 months ago

Where is the Moonchild soup kitchen?

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

"No soup for you!"

Arestorer 1 year, 10 months ago

Soup Nazi!!!!!

buddysmith 1 year, 10 months ago

maybe we should suspend the entire government and install a kennedy as dictator! MC would be satisfied i am sure!

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm having my Fourth of July Picnic this Saturday and about 25 are expected to attend....for FREE! It's a little too HOT for soup though, I think we'll try grilled veggies, baked beans, fish, shrimp and maybe a burger or two. Iced Tea and Sherbet. I've given more parties, picnics, holiday's, birthdays, and just taken people out to dinner than I'm sure most of the people out there. Wanted once to even open a restaurant but never could get it all together. And here's a "fun fact"; I even took a millionaire out to dinner once in NYC. Her income was about 100 times or more than mine but we both enjoyed the meal and conversation. I could only "afford" to do it that one time but I'm glad that I learned long ago how to SAVE my money and NOT spend so much of it for times like that one. How much was THAT dinner? $350.00, with tip $420.00 but well worth it.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Sounds fun. But are you providing anyone in need with the goodies? How about dropping off some items at the food pantry or Coalition? When we get a buy one, get one, my family will often take the extras to the Coaliation/church food pantry.

CHANCE 1 year, 10 months ago

So, you have did your share of helping those in need?

sgmartin 1 year, 10 months ago

Personally what I really resent is the assertion that Democrat don't have a sense of humor. That really stings. Sorry to tell you that Obama is a moderate - speaking as a quasi liberal

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Oh, I totally believe dems have a sense of humor. Look at who's in the White House.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Tell me about it. I try to be serious at times, intelligent at times, informative at times....but what I enjoy most is when I can bring a little "fun" to the conversation. THEY really lack a sense of humor a lot of the time though sgmartin. Chance, yes, I "have did" my share of helping those in need. I'll continue "to did and do" as much as I can. And DICTATORS? Nah. Their SELFISHNESS is a bit too much for me.

buddysmith 1 year, 10 months ago

well spoken comrade!!!

buddysmith 1 year, 10 months ago

to heck with freedom, the government, and more of it, knows what is best for us, right?

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Treadlightly, the CHURCH'S/Religions in this country are NOT TAXED! They should be helping more than they do because of that fact. But they DON'T! WHY DON'T THEY? There should be NO hunger or poverty with all of the WEALTH that the church's have. I don't understand why they aren't at least required to show on their books exactly how much $$$$$$ they use to help the needy and if it isn't at a minimum of 75% but better to be 90% then their TAX EXEMPT status needs to be taken away. That guy who declared the RAPTURE and the World's End a month ago has a "CHURCH" and has become a multi-millionaire because if it. WRONG. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to have a "Church", just that he needs to pay some taxes to the Gov't.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

I'd like to know where you get your facts that the CHURCH does not help and don't use the few crackpot cults to back your statements. Most major religous organizations do their part to funnel their funds back to the needy (not just in the US, but worldwide). I'm not saying that there are not people out there abusing the system, but to generalize that all CHURCHes hoard their $$$$$$ in tax dodges is really off base. In fact, if all the churches gave 90% of their $$ to fight hunger & poverty, it would probably only last a month at most.

TreadLightly 1 year, 10 months ago

Go back and read that again. I said "Christians" are commanded to help the helpless, though Paul explains to Timothy how churches can enroll certain widows. (And explains which ones...)

Individual Christians are taxed, and the big game today is when you decide what percentage you want to contribute, then you decide whether to apply that BEFORE TAX or AFTER TAX!

Some denominations are heavily invested in real estate, etc. but most of us are thankful to have a few month's worth of operating expenses in the bank. Once in 30 years, my paycheck from a church has BOUNCED! (Better than my personal record.)

Most small church books are absolutely open to examination and our's are usually posted on the bulletin board. We would be willing to pay our fair share of corporate taxes. Expecially since we have never made a profit!

I notice that you have this "thing" about churches, so maybe I should mention that they too have been infiltrated with "liberal theologians." They mostly line up with your friends on the left side of polotics.

The quick litmus test: If your preacher believes that the "Q" Document actually existed, then he subscribes with the "modern theology" of Higher Criticism. He has been taught that Matthew and Luke copied their gospels from Mark's gospel and the Q Document. (Q Document contains no miracles, no resurrection, and all can be explaned by science.)

In spite of the fact that no copy of such a document was found, no reference was made or quotation made to mention any such a document in all religious and secular sources until the late 1700's to the middle 1800's in Europe. And in spite of the fact that it paints half of the Gospels in the Bible are frauds! (MANY OF HIS MEMBERS WOULD BElIEVE NO SUCH THING...)

Go to Wikipedia and look under the Q Document and get the names of the men who founded the Higher Criticism model, and look up their page on Wikipedia. Most of them denounced their "traditional" faith, and some quite frank about their belief that Jesus is not the divine son of God.

The "modern" church does not preach the word of God to save the sinner, but they preach the "social gospel" which attempts to CHANGE THE WORLD for the better. Naturally it plays poorly for churches to attempt to change SOCIETY by any means other than changing the SINNER.

I can not lay this teaching at the feet of Marx, just that is came out of Europe around the time of Marx. Like minds running in the same channel.

Bottom line is that CHURCHES ARE NOT WHAT THEY USED TO BE, and people like you notice! Even the evangelicals who hold that the Bible truly is the word of God are affected to the extent that any obedience to that word is many times lost.

So, no, I can't defend all the churches. But I can defend many of them for doing the right thing and changing many lives for the better. And our books are OPEN.

CJ 1 year, 10 months ago

Oh, who wouldn't want the government to run our lives -- look what a great job they have done with the US government. hahaha

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Many of you still DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Our government SAVED America and Americans by creating a Social Security System. They also had WORK PROGRAMS when NO ONE else did. The Soup Kitchens were of course helpful(as they still are today)but so many of the REPUBLICAN TEAPOTS who want the "Government" out of our lives can't seem to get it and claim that "neighbor helping neighbor" and "Churches helping the needy" is the way to go. They will be UNABLE(sometimes probably also unwilling)to handle the AMOUNT of people that would be heading their way. Again, if they did such a great job then our GOVERNMENT wouldn't have had to come to the rescue. Many Churches do wonderful work and help all they can. Honesty2, of course I've heard of those things! I was a Social Worker who at one time or another helped provide almost every service available to the needy. When I helped with EMERGENCY SERVICES I was the one who completed the applications to help get people FREE food, electricity, rent, medicines, etc. It always "burned me up" to call several churches on our HELP list asking for them to HELP but get a response of, "They just can't help at this time." They were very helpful on many occasions many, and were wonderful to work with.. Or calling a Doctors office requesting for him to HELP get FREE medicines for his patient/my client and get yelled and screamed at because he was too busy for that nonsense. We have to have a GOVERNMENT that PROVIDES! This ANTI-GOVERNMENT rhetoric is NOT Appropriate.

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm glad you're recognizing the help from the churches. From many of your posts, it has come across as you blaming them for failing the poor. I do think you may be mistaken in thinking most churches are wealthy. Other than the Catholic Church in Rome (and I imagine much of their wealth is in relics, etc not cash wealth), I can't think of many true churches that are. Of course their are charlatans who are not true Christians.....I believe most of us here believe govt should provide a safety net. And I would venture that most of us don't want cradle to grave entitlements which seems to be what is currently being promoted by this admin. "Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime."

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

MC7...You seemed to infer something about if Republicans get their way that their will be riots, demonstrations, looting and death; like in the 1960's. Can you elaborate on this. What triggers these events and who, where and why would they do it large scale like in the 60's?...Thanks...Mike

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

Treadlightly - that was beautifully said! Bravo!! MC7 - Note: Republicans are not Anti-Government, the are Anti-Big-Government. Also stop trying to lump all Republicans as Tea Pots. There is not a lot of difference between most Republicans & Democrats (all cenered). You have the far right Tea Pots and the far left Democrats (you), but most are middle road only differed by a few small social & economic issues.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Injustice, discrimination, censorship, and the draft were a few of the reasons that there was such outrage in the 60's. Our "Centered" government was part of the reason then and it's possible for a replay of those times, although I'm sort of surprised they haven't happened sooner. The Republicans seem to be "HELLBENT" to return us to those times. Why? I just can't understand. Unlike the 60's which also had "Cultural Changes" added to the mix, perhaps more people are trying to help one another as much as possible now and so haven't HAD to hit the streets. Families were torn apart. My family NEVER could understand why I was so passionate about my political and social beliefs. They just grew up in different times I guess and never questioned authority. JFK's assasination when I was 10 had a lot to do with my mistrust of "AUTHORITY." It is a bit funny though that I tend to trust the "government" more now, although CAPITALIST PIGS will always be CAPITALIST PIGS.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

The 60's are WAY behind us Moonchild. A replay of those times is both politically and lawfully impossible. The draft is long gone and social equality is just that..an equal shot for anyone to get ahead in this great country of ours who chooses to do so...But even so; you should review on which political party not only voted and lobied for racial injustice and discrimination but also filibibustered against racial equality. I'll give you a hint...It's your democratic party. They have only changed their tactics in how to achieve this today. Their stategy today is to offer minorities or anyone enough of a free carrot stick in order to appease or make happy and to make loyal and obedient (Votes). The end result is a class of people of varying colors and ethnicities who never even attempt to realize thier full potential; or any portion of their potential for that matter. Their life becomes day to day, year to year existence with whatever government handouts they can accumulate. Personal ambition and a quest for happiness is their key to break out of these doldrums and many have done just that. I just hope a large movement of those who broke through them government shackles comes to the forefront and helps motivate those who 'think' they are still stuck. I think it's just a matter of time. When that happens; our society will literally go through another renaissance. What a great time that will be for our country . ....Mike

honesty2 1 year, 10 months ago

Nice post.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

CAPITALISTIC PIGS are the reason AMERICA is the greatest country in the world. We could go back to the 60s with the sexual revolution and STDs. We all know how that turned out. If you have such mistrust of AUTHORITY, how can you want a bigger GOV'T?

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

"By the People, For the People". But today it's more like: "For the Capitalist Pig, by the U.S. Congress." They do throw us a few scraps now and then, so I make do.

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

LMAO

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

MikeNC, while the 60's maybe way behind us(and I'm NOT so sure about that)then the 70's are definately still WITH US. According to REUTERS, "The Ohio State House of Representatives voted to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detectable, which can be as early as six weeks....If enacted, the law would be a challenge to the U.S. Supreme Courts 1973 Roe V. Wade ruling." I'm NOT stuck in the past but the REPUBLICANS are still traumatized by it it seems. They need to seriously get over it and stop wasting time with those "Cultural/Social issues" from then that have been decided on and approved of by the MAJORITY of AMERICANS. The serious issues that need solving are being seriously undermined by a CONSERVATIVE MINDSET that's playing with the true needs of helping our country get out of a very bad recession and instead keep getting in their TIME MACHINE hoping to undo the past's PROGRESSIVE IMPROVEMENTS. The Republicans are trying to DESTROY our Freedoms by remaining stuck in, not the 1970's, but actually the 1870's.

moonchild7 1 year, 10 months ago

Oh, I forgot....There's really "NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT IT", either.

MikeNC 1 year, 10 months ago

You sure didn't waste any time skirting over all that I said MC and provide no answers to any of my comments. But lets address what you just said....You say Republicans need to seriously get over and stop wasting time with these cultural and social issues. Hitler would be standing right along side you Moonchild and cheering you on. History shows he murdered approximately 6 million human beings. Our country since your Roe v. Wade has legally murdered over 53,000,000 human beings in all stages of early life to include those infants who had the audacity to actually be born while waiting for the instrument to scramble it's brain. BTW...Since when has this administration shown any concern over issues "that have been decided on and approved of by the MAJORITY of AMERICANS."

If Ohio does something to stop this monstrosity, I'll be proud of whomever is responsible. ....And your absolutely correct...there is NOTHING funny about this statistic. Click on the below web site and tell me that is all OK with you?? Mike http://www.nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS03_AbortionInTheUS.pdf

Courseaire 1 year, 10 months ago

MikeNC - if not for Roe/Wade, there would be 52,000,000 more needy & on Welfare & all the other social programs, so thanks to the Supremes (or am I getting my 60s/70s confused). I do have a simple solution to our economic woes - Nationalize Professional Sports (NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL & PGA), you can keep the PBA.

Yukonjohn 1 year, 10 months ago

The one thing I disagree with Ron Paul with, is abortion. How can one be for total liberty and yet, not let a woman determine whether or not she wants to keep a fetus. I am not for partial birth abortion, but l disagree with most Republicans on the viability of a fetus to be a stand alone human being. This is something else that l disagree with Republicans on....when they say, we want smaller govt., we want govt. out of your lives, it is only as long as you agree with them on how you should live. They are against civil unions, abortion, drug use, free travel, so many personal freedoms. I think maybe we should go back to govt. being our national defense, and nothing else, then go from there. This thing of govt. doing everything for us is for the birds!!

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