GOP Offering Little But Clever Slogans

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Eighth in a Series

This is the eighth of a series in which Moore County’s Republican and Democratic party chairmen will address various political issues. Today's issue deals with the newly installed Congress. Jim Heim is chairman of the Moore County Democratic Party. Robert M. Levy is chairman of the Moore County Republican Party. Click here for Levy's take on the issue.

The new Republican congressional majority was swept into office on a promise to reduce the size and cost of the federal government, repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and prevent gays from marrying — which will somehow enhance personal liberty.

And, of course, on a pledge not to cooperate with President Obama and the Democrats in Congress. They’re off to a rocky start.

Part of the pageant was a reading of the U.S. Constitution on the House floor. That exercise added $1.1 million to the deficit, and they felt the need to censor it. Earlier, two GOP representatives forgot to be sworn in as provided in the Constitution.

Having fought during the lame-duck session to increase the federal deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next 10 years by extending the Bush tax cuts, Republicans are now trying to add another $1.2 trillion over the next 20 years by repealing the new health care law. It would appear that deficits are only important as campaign promises.

The current fight over health care is especially instructive. Start with the formal title of the Republican bill, “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law.” Here the GOP combines fourth-graderish name-calling with factual inaccuracy.

From the Congressional Budget Office to every news organization that has studied the issue, the facts are clear: Not only will PPACA not cost jobs, it has already led to the creation of more than 800,000 new jobs in the health insurance industry. Given that the cost of health care to our economy is already 17 percent of the gross domestic product and headed for 25 percent in the next five years, doing n­­othing is simply not an option.

The GOP says it wants to “repeal and replace” the health care reform just enacted. What do they plan to replace it with? No one knows. Since President Obama took office two years ago, health care reform has been a heavily discussed issue, but in all that time Republicans have been unable to produce a plan of their own.

As they grapple with the federal deficit, GOP lawmakers have catchy slogans but little to offer for specific cuts. Asked by NBC journalist Brian Williams to name a single program he would cut, John Boehner, newly elected House speaker, said, “I don’t think I have one off the top of my head.”

His colleagues seem no more adept at budget-cutting. Most radical is a proposal from Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul to cut 44 percent from the federal budget. To slash that deeply without cuts to Social Security and the Defense Department would require 89 percent across-the-board reductions everywhere else. No one has explained how that could possibly work.

More immediately worrying is the posturing by Republicans on the issue of raising the federal debt. When the government hits the current spending limit by the end of March, the cap will need to be raised. The negative impact of a failure to do so would rock the world’s economy and do lasting damage to our own.

It’s especially rich to hear Republicans complain about the size of the debt, given that $9 trillion of the $14 trillion total was a result of spending under Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.

As the 112th Congress begins its work, it’s clear that after all the sloganeering, our new GOP leadership has no actual plan for cutting federal spending and no plan to improve our economy and is ignoring the elephant in the room: unemployment.

The length and depth of our current unemployment situation is unprecedented in modern America. Millions of workers have been unemployed for more than a year, and every month of idleness makes finding a new job that much more difficult. Most will never again earn what they once did.

Lost in the noise of slogans and fear-mongering is the fact that we have another critical concern: energy. Global oil production is at record levels, but the price of a barrel is near $100 and expected to climb. The increased energy consumption of developing nations is outstripping the supply.

We cannot drill our way out of this. A program to develop alternative sources of energy is essential if we are to keep the escalating costs and potential shortages from throttling our economy.

With these important issues on the table, what is the tea party exercised about? Here in Moore County, they’re upset because Congress passed a food-safety bill! Apparently, E. coli is patriotic.

The measure of our new members of Congress will be their ability to move America forward. We have many problems, but none are insoluble. Success will require consensus and compromise, two qualities in short supply, having been purged by the tea party in the last election.

Let’s hope they have the courage to take the risks and govern responsibly.

Jim Heim is chairman of the Moore County Democratic Party. Contact him at democrat@heim.us.

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charlesleach 2 years, 3 months ago

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pacer 2 years, 3 months ago

The quotes I looked at require a $10,000 out of pocket! I'm not sure what number "low income" is, but I can't afford to pay the first $10,000 after already paying $278.00 a month and then the insurance company paying 80%. I don't see how that could be so popular.

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TG422 2 years, 3 months ago

As of this week republicans have presented a plan to cut $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Those jobs created by Obamacare are not in the private sector, they're IRS. The USA has more oil than any country other than Russia, if we could drill gas would cost about $1.50. Why so much? Government taxes. The Tea Party wants less Gov. & less taxes, is that wrong?

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Easygoing 2 years, 3 months ago

TG422, Please cite your source for your claim "The USA has more Oil than any other country". According to all authoritative sources (EIA, The US Energy Administration, and others) we are at best 12th in the world for Oil reserves. In fact much of the "Reserves" is actually non-petroleum liquefied sources. Oil production in the US peaked over 25 years ago. We consume 25% of the worlds oil production with 5% of the world's population, how much longer do you think that can continue? Just because you say something does not make it true. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I think it's wrong when it threatens jobs and our overall economy. We have a shortfall because the economy is stalled. Get it running again and our fiscal problems become much more manageable.

Want to get rid of the federal deficit? Adopt a health care system like Sweden or Germany or France or any other developed country. If our health care costs per capita were the same as theirs, we would have a surplus today. And the people in those countries are healthier in general than Americans.

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Easygoing 2 years, 3 months ago

Jim, you are absolutely right. We stand out among most developed nations by having 1. One of the most expensive health care systems (relative to GNP) 2. and at the same time having some of the worst health outcomes. Check the data from the “OECD Health Data 2009” report which compares the health care statistics across the 34 OECD countries. Most advanced nations have come to the conclusion that basic health care for all its citizens is a fundamental necessity. We on the other hand, are focused on the "fundamental right" to buy and own assault weapons. I think our priorities are somewhat twisted.

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pacer 2 years, 3 months ago

Thanks Jim for always stating facts and not giving in to rhetoric. It is always a welcome relief to read your articles.

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bbranch 2 years, 3 months ago

The well respected columnist Charles Krauthammer refutes the merits of Obama's health care bill in his recent column in the News and Observer http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/21/933689/repeal-it-absolutely.html

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Dr Krauthammer may well be an accomplished psychiatrist but he knows little of economics. Whoever has been feeding him the data he's using has been lying to him. CBO is clear that PPACA reduces the deficit because the money it raises added to the money it saves is greater than the amount of new money it spends. It's that simple. And it's true over the long term, not just the next few years.

PPACA is regarded as the most honestly funded federal law in recent memory. Take the time to learn the facts and ignore the inflammatory rhetoric.

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Easygoing 2 years, 3 months ago

To their credit, now it appears that some Tea Party members are saying that the defense budget is now in play for cuts. Its about time we got the out-of-control military spending in the spotlight since it is now somewhere near 50% of all discretionary spending.

"House Republican leaders specifically exempted defense, homeland security and veterans' programs from spending cuts in their party's "Pledge to America" campaign manifesto last fall. But the House's new majority leader, Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., has said defense programs could join others on the cutting board." AP - January 23, 2011

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Poundman 2 years, 3 months ago

Pacer and Easygoing make good points.

Health Insurance is not affordable for normal families. I pay $200 per month for a 10 K deductible, I darn near need to die before it is effective.

We need major cuts to military spending IMO. There is so much waste and non essential spending. We need to get out of Iraq and stop managing other countries IMO.

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ku4qb 2 years, 3 months ago

Who says the Pilot has a liberal/Democrat bias? You couldn't tell it from this artical could you?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I'm puzzled ku4qb. This column is balanced with one on the same topic by my esteemed (and most likable) counterpart from the Republican side. Are you suggesting that balance is achieved by printing only one side? Jim kb7ej

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

Giving space to any opinion that you don't agree with=bias. Didn't you get the memo?

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madstork 2 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Heim,

I'm not sure how you can be so critical of the 3-week-old political demographics in Washington, when your party had the perfect storm of power for the last 2 years. Majority in the House and Senate for longer than that. As for compromise...I believe it was Obama that suggested the "other guys" get in the back of the bus.

As the head of the Democratic Party in Moore County, your recent posts seem more like the opinion of a poor looser. I'm sure your local constituents are real proud of the results of your party while you have been at the lead.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

As of the most recent report we had 18,372 Democrats and 25,737 Republicans registered to vote in Moore County. Do the math.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

Math has a well-known liberal bias.

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pacer 2 years, 3 months ago

Again, when faced with factual information, the opposition resorts to inflammatory remarks and "unsportsmanlike" behavior. Thanks Jim for keeping it real.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

The sad truth is, neither party really cares about the deficit. The Republicans were willing to increase it to extend tax breaks for the wealthy, the Democrats were willing to increase it to get an extension of unemployment benefits.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

DR Your statement has a liberal bias. The tax cuts were extended for everybody not just the wealthy.

Lets not forget the 2% cut in social security tax bec ause this will help fix a very broken program...right?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

bigD, the FICA tax cut was 33%.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

However you want to spin it, Jim. I did not do the math but FICA was cut from 6.2% to 4.2%. If it makes you feel better calling this a 33% tax cut then so be it.

If creating jobs is so importantant then why not cut the employers matching contribution as well?

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RmeMP 2 years, 3 months ago

in reference to government forced healthcare...

whether you like it or not depends on which category you fall into: take care of yourself, or everyone take care of each other.

personally, i believe that if teenagers are taught early in life about the importance of health insurance and, are taught that they SHOULD get it, then the problem will correct itself - unfotunitly nobody wants to pay for health insurance until they get older and need it, but the problem is by then you end up some some "condition" or injury and its expensive to get.

most people in our society (including me) are possesive and want alot of nice material things that they can touch - health care does not fit into their mentality when trying to budget their expenses until its too late.

thankfully when i got out of the military, and before accruing too much debt, i realized that i HAD to have insurance - which i budgeted for and still have :)

ps - why not give the right more than 3 weeks to see what their plan is before launching politcial artillery and stirring the pot? the fact is, the left wasnt following what the voters wanted them to do, and they were removed from office because of it - the same thing will happen in 2012 to those who continue to NOT LISTEN to the majority, plain and simple.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

Oh, like all the time the right gave the Democrats? Any time the President noted that he was working to undo problems years in the making and that it would take time for a full recovery, all you heard was "when is he going to start blaming Bush? Why aren't there jobs?"

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RmeMP 2 years, 3 months ago

once again i offer a nonpartisan approach to the problem and right on que dusty comes hop hop hopping along to play politics :)

c'mon man, you are becoming to predictable - its like fishing in a stocked pond, catching the same ol fish...

if you dont have anything constrictive to contibute, why dont you just go back to playing on msbnc.com?

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

"the Democrats were willing to increase it to get an extension of unemployment benefits."

I never have understood why we need so many undocumented worker illegal aliens when so many here apparently need a job. Who says having a porous border is good for this country

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

"Who says having a porous border is good for this country?"

I don't know. The voices in your head, maybe?

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

Alan Colmes prefers to have an open border thats who!

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

Alan Colmes: “I'm an Open Borders Guy” May 24, 2010 ... on Megyn Kelly. I watched the interview. He has also stated many times on Oriely's show. I cant find a good link for you but I assure you he supports this.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

"I don't know. The voices in your head, maybe?"

Ah DR, legendary king of schoolyard cutdowns (in his own mind anyway). Too bad he is intellectually trapped in that time period.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

So you tell me, Mr. Maturity: who IS saying that "having a porous border is good for the country?" Actual quotes now, not just some made up bogeyman called "liberal."

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

While illegals represent a failure of US immigration and enforcement policy, it is still true that their presence generates economic activity and jobs that far outweigh any costs. If they all went back to their home countries tomorrow, the US would suffer trillions of dollars in economic losses in the near future.

Let's focus on the pressing problems at hand and leave the more minor ones for another day.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

Well if you want a name, Alan Colmes.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

Alan Colmes has said "having a porous border is a good thing"? Where??

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madstork 2 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Heim states:

"As of the most recent report we had 18,372 Democrats and 25,737 Republicans registered to vote in Moore County. Do the math." In response to my challenge of his leadership as Dem Pary Head.

I did the math, oh and attached the results fron 2010 general election. Almost 2:1 % republican results.

Now I'm REALLY sure his party is proud. More registerd voters according to Jim's numbers and still not able to get it done.

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/Moore/22643/40511/en/summary.html

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I might feel bad about the loss if it was a matter or our philosophy being beaten by yours. But the Republicans ran on a campaign of lies and distortions (death panels, socialized medicine, tax increases, gun confiscation). As President Lincoln once observed, you can fool some of the people some of the time. When the people get wind of the middle-class tax increase Rep. Ryan is introducing, you will see a sea change of amazing proportion.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would see the point I was illustrating that maybe we wouldn't need endless extensions of unemployment benefits if we didn't have so many illegals working here. It isn't much of a leap to understand if an illegal has a job and is forced to give up that job due to better immigration/employment enforcment, that is one more job for a legal unemployed person. It is really that simple. Of course, a certain individual on here just wants to get in a pzzing contest and out of the other side of his mouth talks about the terrible rhetoric from the right.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

So people who don't agree with you aren't intelligent? isn't this just the sort of "schoolyard taunting" you claim to hate?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

You'd be surprised at how few construction workers are clamoring to clean my horse stalls. Even fewer software engineers want to mow my lawn.

The mismatch between skill set and job opportunity is a serious issue.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

"Alan Colmes has said "having a porous border is a good thing"? Where??"

Welllll, he has this radio show he does M-F from 10p-1A. Thats about 750hrs a year of programming. I heard him say it on several occasions. For the life of me I cannot remember the date(s) he said it and my dog ate all my archived transcripts I had saved. Sooooo, I guess you exposed me for a being a big fat liar. YOU WIN!

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I'm not sure I get the point. You make up a quote, attribute it to Alan Colmes and then blame Dusty for calling your bluff.

This illuminates the reality vs. conservative divide in this country. At some point being right should be less important than getting policy right.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

Alan Colmes has supported on open border policy on many shows. May 2010 on Megan Kelly show is one of many examples.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

An open border policy is a far cry from porous borders are a good thing. I agree with Mr. Colmes that we should re-examine our quota system and bring it into line with reality.

But it's good to see you doing research to back up your otherwise unsupported claims. But, I thought you heard it on his radio show.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

Some othe poster heard this on his radio show. Please dont confuse my well thought out educated posts with others.

You are right an open border is different than a porous border but an open border is likely to lead to a porous border, in my opinion.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I guess one thing can always lead to another.

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Easygoing 2 years, 3 months ago

So much for the civil discourse.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

"And thanks for confirming my suspicion...it really was just a voice in your head."

I would like to apologize on behalf of DR to all those who truly suffer from the terrible mental disease of schizophrenia. I know when he reads this later he will truly be remorseful that he has tried to score cheap points at your expense.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

I really hope, for your sake, that you're joking with this.

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

First off, I would like to know where the evidence is for Jim Heim's statistics here: "Having fought during the lame-duck session to increase the federal deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next 10 years by extending the Bush tax cuts, Republicans are now trying to add another $1.2 trillion over the next 20 years by repealing the new health care law"

I myself couldn't find it. This also goes for the claim of 1.1 million dollars spent during the Constitutional reading. As well as the Trillions of dollars that would be lost from our Economy if all illegals were to leave our country.

Secondly, Mr. Heim himself is not accustomed to reality and how economics work. Who does he suppose would employ the unemployed, other than the government who needs to cut back? I believe he said in a past article we should go back to Roosevelt's New Deal. That would entail that we should hire a group of new government workers which is realistically damaging to employment. Unemployment can only be solved by lowering taxes because the Rich are who employ people, and the middle class are the one's who either go out to get a job from one of them, or tries to open a business to compete and become one of them. If, you are under and illusion that the New Deal helped the country whatsoever, you are mistaken. I will actually site my sources: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

Fundamentally Mr. Heim is bitter and dislikes that Realists are currently in control. He is upset that his Socialism will not be advanced for the next two years because that means two years will be spent doing the contrary. Will it be perfect? Probably not, however, it will likely be far better than what we have had for the last two years.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Permanent cuts would bust the budget. Extending all of them would cost nearly $4 trillion over the next decade — $3.2 trillion for the so-called middle-class cuts and $700 billion for the richest Americans. There is no plausible level of spending cuts to offset the damage; the result would be chronic deficits and debilitating debt. -editorial, New York Times.

As a result of changes in direct spending and revenues, CBO expects that enacting H.R. 2 would probably increase federal budget deficits over the 2012-2019 period by a total of roughly $145 billion (on the basis of the original estimate), plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes that CBO and JCT will include in the forthcoming estimate. Adding two more years (through 2021) brings the projected increase in deficits to something in the vicinity of $230 billion, plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes. --CBO on the cost in the first ten years.

CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 2 would increase federal deficits in the decade after 2019 by an amount that is in a broad range around one-half percent of GDP, plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes that CBO and JCT will include in the forthcoming estimate. For the decade beginning after 2021, the effect of H.R. 2 on federal deficits as a share of the economy would probably be somewhat larger. -- Kaiser Health News.

That's where I got the evidence.

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pacer 2 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Heim is not bitter, he IS a realist!

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

"GOP Offering Little But Clever Slogans"

I have had ENOUGH.........

Some just go TOO far with the LIES they spew.

Since when did the the GOP offer "clever" slogans?

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nothingspecial 2 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunately, about the only good commentators about the Democrat's and liberal's views or against the Republicans, Tea Party and Conservatives are comedians because even though they don't have the facts and know how either, at least they are entertaining to some.

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

@ Ross -Atleast the GOP's slogans demonstrate a greater mastery of the English language than the one syllable word that our president got in with. Lest we forget the multiple meaning and uses the word "Change" entails. -And they've been getting better ever since the 1960's when the Democratic Party allowed the flower children into their party.

@Heim Your first source is an editorial in the Opinion section of the New York Times, could you by chance find a credible source that is from a credible agencey? Like the CBO example? As to the CBO, having just read the report, there seems to be a bit of uncertainty about the numbers past what your one paragraph states. I'm not saying I don't believe it but they even acknowledge they're not entirely sure of the full impact as of yet.

Still, where is the evidence of 1.1 million spent on the Constitution reading? The Trillions lost in illegals going back to their home land?

@pacer

A realist understands REAL economics and doesn't simply point back to FDR as an infallible source of Socialistic and Modern Liberal economics gone right. Which, they haven't, won't, and did not.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Sadly, facts bounce off of conservatives. The way things work, no matter what source I use, you'll find some excuse. Go look it up. It was a huge point of discussion during the lame duck session. Those who don't think that the massive tax cuts contribute to the deficit are math challenged.

As to the $1.1 million number, you can look that up too. I did. It was based on the cost per hour to operate Congress and the time it took to read the parts of the Constitution that didn't embarrass the Republicans.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

"The way things work, no matter what source I use, you'll find some excuse."

Yep. Handwaving is a classic right wing dodge.

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

Sadly Mr. Heim, you are wrong because I am not a Conservative : Mistake #1.

Secondly, I suppose I would rather them be looking at the constitution for 1.1 million dollars than them passing another regulation on business. And according to Dusty Rhoades, I should not have to look it up myself if you gave the fact.

Thirdly, if the budget is cut, then the tax cuts will not be an issue. Once again, who makes jobs? The rich or the poor?

Finally, The New York Times is a widely held Liberal newspaper and your denial of that is an utter denial of Facts and Reality.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Who makes jobs? The middle class. That was just too easy.

Sen. Paul claims that companies make their profits selling to the rich. I went down to Wal-Mart to watch the rich shop and then over to McDonalds to watch the rich at lunch. Very illuminating.

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

How can you be so aloof? How can the Middle class make jobs when they don't have the money? How does them making jobs make any sense? The Rich have the money to take risks and do when they're not hounded by government.

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

huntrJ - you need a sense of humor.....perhaps you can see the "wizard"

btw - these "flower children" are now about to retire after years of productive employment. Why - I will even bet some were politicians - maybe even - aghast - republicans!

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

They are politicians but having just searched it, I could find no "hippie" Republicans. And I am not a Republican FYI. To me the joke wasn't that funny.

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

what joke are you referring to?

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huntrJ 2 years, 3 months ago

The Joke you were referring to in me needing a sense of humour.

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

That was NOT a joke :)

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nothingspecial 2 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Heim, "facts bounce off conservatives'?!

Please explain to me how right and sane it was to push that crazy, not even read until after it was passed health bill, after months of insanely pushing for it during a time of deep recession, when there were plenty of better things to do? Please give me some facts as to why so many companies have been given exemptions from having to comply with such a wonderful bill, and about how many estimates have determined that it is going to be a huge drain on us, which was absolutely no surprise because Medicare is too? Please explain the incredible excesses of the unions since the president took office? Please explain the demonization of BP, the health insurance companies, medical related industries, and large financial firms, and the proposal of cap and tax actions that had them and other large companies feeling very hesitant to take risks in the current political, and economic climate? Please explain how the current rising energy costs have absolutely nothing to do with the environmental policies of this administration? Please explain how the proposed "draining of the swamp" and more transparent, better working government worked so well and are better than the excellent ideas the new Congress is working on at the bedquest of the voters?

If you are having success preaching to your choir, so be it, but I'll wager you're not making a dent on many others.

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

"I really hope, for your sake, that you're joking with this."

Considering some of the comments by you directed at me today I am suprised you feel justified in the above comment.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

One of the positive attributes of a progressive income tax is the creation of a stable, prosperous middle class. We liberals think that's a good thing. I was reading an analysis recently that suggested that a tax rate of about 65% for the top 0.1% of earners results in the best GDP growth for the country. What's not to like?

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

So if I make 1,000,000 dollars a year I should pay 650k in taxes and keep 450k. Whats wrong witht hat?

Well if it looks like a duck and it quaks like a duck than it must be a duck. This looks a lot like socialism to me and that is what is wrong with it.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

bigD, that response would not come from someone who actually pays income taxes. The way a progressive tax system, such as the US has had for decades, one pays say, 10% on the first x, 20% on the next y, 50% on the next z, etc. (I hope the use of variables from algebra was not confusing).

Thus, since various parts of the $1,000,000 would be subject to different rates, your example is to simplistic to apply.

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irkim13 2 years, 3 months ago

I have asked this question before and never had an answer so I will try again.
To all peoples who believe tax rates should be higher than the current rate: Do you pay more to the government than is required?

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fugitiveguy 2 years, 3 months ago

Good luck getting a straight answer on that James.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

It's amusing to see the right wing get wrapped around the axle about trivialities when the country is in deep trouble and heading for worse. When Republicans and tea partyers care more about building America up than tearing President Obama down, I'll gin up some respect for them. Until then, they are just annoying whiners.

As for the Affordable Care Act, you're not going to see it repealed. Get over it.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

I've already answered that question.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

Jim-What percent is ok? I have not seen an answer to that question. Is 5%, 25%, 50% or what?

How much should a family making 250,000+ pay?

How much shaould a family making 85,000 pay

How about 50,000?

Its should be an easy question to give a simple numerical answer What say you?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

If you scroll up, you'll see that I note a study that suggests 67% top rate for the top .1% or so.

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bigD 2 years, 3 months ago

You read a study about a 67% top tax rate. Was it the study published in The Journal of Socialism?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Rep. Ryan (who is the sole author of the federal budget bill under the new Republican rules) is proposing a 42% across the board cut in non-defense, non-Social Security spending. Do you really think we can operate an air traffic system with nearly half of the transportation budget cut? Can the Border patrol function with nearly half of its money gone? Can CDC protect us from epidemics with nearly half their budget gone?

Republicans are making irresponsible budget decisions and Tea Partyers think the problem is food safety legislation. I sure hope they take over the local Republican Party.

Get real or the voters will quickly tire of GOP foolishness.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Well Mauiman, help is on the way. Here are the highlights of the Ryan tax plan:

– Middle-class families earning between $50,000 and $75,000 a year would see their average tax rate jump to 19.1% (from 17.7%) under this plan—an increase of $900 on average [...]

– Millionaires would see their average tax rate drop to 12.8%, less than half of what they would pay relative to current policy.

That's what working Americans need - higher taxes. I'm sure that's what you folks had in mind when elected these goofballs.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

You know, maybe you've hit on a great idea. We shouldn't let majorities trample our wallets. Let's just let each American send the governments at all levels the amount they think is appropriate. What could possibly go wrong?

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Neal 2 years, 3 months ago

Why was this posted on the Front page yesterday instead of the Opinion section, is made it look like the Pilot was letting a partisan hack write their news for them. Also the 4 Trillion, I would rather let the taxpayer have the 4 trillion instead of giving to the government to waste.

Keep Political Opinions off the front page please

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

This was on the front page? Really?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Are you kidding? Exactly how much will the cuts you've outlined save? How much would you need to save? So far the GOP proposals on the table are either ridiculous or pointless. Is there a plan to keep the federal government going without cratering our entire economy?

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madstork 2 years, 3 months ago

Is it just a coincidence that the republican leader's column has 2 positive comments, and that Heim (Dem Leader) has 85? Many of which are Jim Heim having to defend his position.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Madstork, Perhaps you could employ your mad research skillz and count my contributions, subtract them from the total and generate an accurate count.

The reason I participate is to show independent thinkers who choose to watch the debate that there are two sides and both are worth considering. Too often the liberal side of the debate is lost in the noise. I get the feeling from some of the commenters that the right-wing's idea of a balanced debate would be between Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. I don't see it that way.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Our legislators have a finite amount of time and limited resources to do their jobs. Like triage on a battlefield, if you want to maximize your efforts you would do well to start with the most effective remedies.

NPR is so close to the bottom as to be totally laughable. What you've shown is simply a spiteful conservative hit list, not an efficient, effective program to rationalize government fiscal policy.

Moreover, earmarks are a questionable target. The spending affected is unchanged; it was budgeted and whether you agree or not, it will be spent. The question is who will say what's it's spent on. It will either be your elected representative or a federal bureaucrat working in Obama's executive branch. It appears that conservatives want President Obama to make that choice. Works for me.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

It doesn't matter whether we have the money. Congress is going to spend it. Once again, the earmark issue is about who will decide where it is spent. Simple.

Given that three Republican presidents alone presided over 9 trillion of that 14 trillion dollar debt, it's a wonder you trust them at all.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Those presidents only submitted out-of-balance budgets and they signed each and every spending bill into law. They are responsible.

By the way, I didn't see any restraint when W had Republicans ruling both houses during most of his term.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Mormon crickets? They do a lot of agricultural damage in the west...so I guess you wouldn't care.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, ever notice how much of the spending that the Right finds so droll involves research that benefits agriculture? I guess the problems of farmers are amusing to people like John McCain, what with his eight houses and all.

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Easygoing 2 years, 3 months ago

To Jim Heim, a word of advice, never, I repeat never, get involved in the comments section of this paper after you write an article. As you can see from most all the above it is a never ending back and forth of innuendos, personal attacks, misrepresentation of facts, and hysterical ranting about someone's personal point of view. To actually expect a civil discourse rationally arguing points with some attempt to understand the other person's point of view is a fairy tale in this forum.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

It's not for the wingnuts. I want other readers, such as yourself, to see that there's a vibrant debate and it's not all one-sided.

They are a trip.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

There are people who think that the House of Representatives is responsible for all spending as per the Constitution. Perhaps you should have a word with your Republican friends who run the place now.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Congressional spending is like the weather. I have no say in what's coming. I merely observe the scene. As Bob Levy observed recently, America is a republic not a democracy. He seems to think that we are to elect our leaders and just watch what they do. If we don't like it, we can replace them in the next election. But it's not our place to nitpick them while they work.

At the core of the issue is the matter of jobs ... at least for Democrats. This discussion has not had much to say on the topic, but much to say about a lot of stuff that simply doesn't matter. Interesting ...

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M3rules 2 years, 3 months ago

So, the democrats are all about creating jobs? I guess a reflection of their ability to do that would be the stimulus package? Since that worked so well, why did we have to extend the unemployment benefits for another eternity? Nothing like a bunch of jerks that have never had to actually work for a paycheck or hired anyone other than a staff member to tell those that have how to do it. The only job the demoncrats have ever preformed is a hose job on the taxpayers.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

What makes you think it didn't work? Before the stimulus, unemployment was soaring. Since then it has plateaued and is even rising a bit. Had the stimulus package been about twice as large, employment numbers would be much better.

What a shame that the economy does better with Democrats while the national debt soars with Republicans.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Weren't Republicans in charge for six of Bush's eight years? How did they do? They didn't use earmarks did they? Oh, wait ...

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

Now Jim, don't remind james about that - he'll only give more excuse :)

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blake 2 years, 3 months ago

Since Mr Heim wants to attribute $1.1 million dollars as the cost to reading the Constitution, I would like to point out the federal government spent about $20 billion dollars per work day in 2009. I think we would all be in better shape if there was more reading and less spending in Washington.

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irkim13 2 years, 3 months ago

I have asked this question before and never had an answer so I will try again. To all peoples who believe tax rates should be higher than the current rate: Do you pay more to the government than is required?

Since no one has answered I will guess no one has, not even the very people who seem to want higher taxes in general just not their own I guess.
It seems hypocritical to want higher taxes but not give more to the government when they can.

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

irkim13, your question is irrelevant. The value of progressive taxation is only partly for securing funds to run the government. The more critical benefit is encouraging wealth accumulation instead of get-rich-quick schemes by those with huge paychecks. The hedge fund manager who made $4 billion in 2009 comes to mind. Faced with a 67% tax bill, he might not have simply taken the money and run. It would have been to his advantage to keep more of his funds in the company to grow it.

Lucky for me, the Republicans want to cut my taxes and pass the bill on to those in the middle class. Well, they didn't need that money anyway. When you make 50 to 75,000, you're rolling in clover, right?

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JimHeim 2 years, 3 months ago

Now that we're down to flatulence jokes and "demoncrats," my participation in this thread is concluded.

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dustyrhoades 2 years, 3 months ago

And once again, I await the outpouring of indignation over "name calling" because someone used the word "demoncrats."

And wait, and wait, and wait...

Because remember wingnut logic 101: Because I use the word "wingnut" and call Sarah Palin the Resigning Woman, it's okay to call Democrats names. But it's still bad when I do it.

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nothingspecial 2 years, 3 months ago

Pilot Editors if you want an outstanding new columnist to increase your readership even more, please hire James!!!!!!!!!

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

james - he probably has a life - unlike ......

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

james - to be honest - I have made several posts that were factual and were either ignored or answered with very predictable retorts - kinda just like yours.

The truth is that conservatives and liberals are stuck in this "defend until death my party" mindset.

You strike me as a person that simple reads/hears but never really considers/listens to the other side.

Unfortunately that is the way with most on here........ so I have a bit of fun rather than waste my energy on minds that have been closed since birth - and I am not referring only to conservatives.

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irkim13 2 years, 3 months ago

From Mr Heim: "irkim13, your question is irrelevant" It is not irrelevant to me. The question is very simple no thought required simply yes or no. I want to know if you or any other higher tax promoting individual can put their money where their mouth is. You appear to be among the wealthy and have promoted higher taxes for the wealthy (yourself included I assume) so it seems to me if you really want the government to have more of your money you would give more than required and not only if taxes require it.

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Ross 2 years, 3 months ago

james - one thing I can say about you - is that you are always a gentleman!

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moonchild7 2 years, 3 months ago

The wealthy have been given enough tax breaks. ENOUGH ALREADY. They are doing nothing to turn the economy around since most of the money that BIG BUSINESS is earning is from overseas investments with low cost labor. It's real simple: Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 and our infrastructure has been falling apart ever since he reduced the taxes on the rich. TIME UP to PAY UP! No more chances to let them fix things since all they've done is wrap themselves up in useless, valueless luxuries. It's time for our Government to take from them before it's too late to help repair the selfish damage that has been done. Bernie Madoff never had enough did he? NO! He wanted more and more until he got caught and believe me he would have NEVER STOPPED! I got a great Christmas gift from my son. He went to the Madoff Marshalls auction last fall in NYC and managed to bid and win a lot of Ruth and Bernie's kitchenwares. He sent me their kitchen food chopper from their mansion on Long Island. My son has their Cuisinart and Coffemaker from their Penthouse in NYC. People ask me if I feel bad because he bought those things with "Dirty Money" but I say no because at least a little of the monies from the auction went to those he stole from. Plus Bernie's in jail and Ruth is down and out in Florida. Everytime I chop up onions I don't cry but smile. LIFE'S A BEACH!

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OldSpook 2 years, 3 months ago

So MC7, you going to be the Government rep coming to take things from me because you've decided I have too much wealth? Well come on and try, I’d like to explain my second amendment rights to you Comrade. Don’t like my response? I can assure you there are a great many more who would be considerably less civil.

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OldSpook 2 years, 3 months ago

Like I say ChiefHammer, I don't mind giving anyone a hand up, but I will not give anyone hand out. Big differance.

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moonchild7 2 years, 3 months ago

No Oldspook(what does that mean)I won't be taking any of your wealth away. But it seems that the wealthy should be "Rendering Unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" in a little bit more of a bountiful way. Don't you think? I do. I also think that it's time for the so-called churches in this country to lose their tax-exempt status due to their being derelict in their duty of helping the poor and needy. The number of people falling into the ranks of poverty has been growing not receding and the only thing I see churches helping with is the continued increasing of the square footage of their buildings. And ChiefHammer, no vacation for me. I do have to go out every now and then and earn some money; it's just that I've worked hard enough in the past so that now I don't have to earn it on any regular schedule.

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