Arizona Is Right

Sunday, May 2, 2010

I don’t quite understand the fuss around the law passed in Arizona regarding “illegals” referring to immigrants.

Why is the president of the United States so opposed to the state law of Arizona being passed? Since 1939, the term “illegal” has been used as a reference to illegal immigration. So, just why does Obama jump on the Department of Justice of the United States to find if this new “law in Arizona” is profiling? Bull. An illegal is illegal, not authorized by law. So I suppose Obama will set the penalty for terrorismin the United States to 10 hours of community service?

Some jerk in Obama’s administration stated, “The problem of immigration is the responsibility of the U.S. government.” Well, the government hasn’t done much about it — actually, nothing!

I agree with Arizona. Leave the problem with Obama and the government, and we will never find a solution. States’ rights — leave the states alone to decide. The federal government wastes too much money as it is. Obama and his crooked Democratic Party will put the good old United States in bankruptcy in six months — or maybe we are there now. I prefer to think now.

Greg Mastaler

Pinehurst

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dustyrhoades 3 years ago

"So I suppose Obama will set the penalty for terrorism the United States to 10 hours of community service? "

Straw man argument. Hysterical hyperbole. 25 point loss of credibility.

As for the rest of this...a patchwork of immigration laws, different in each state, is a recipe for chaos. I agree that the congress needs to pass immigration reform this time, starting with more and better (and smarter) border enforcement. I'm not talking about some fence that anyone with a pair of wire cutters can get through. I'm talking boots on the ground and planes in the air. Yes, that's going to cost money. But I think even the most rock-ribbed conservative would agree that defending and controlling the borders is a legitimate use of the power and funds of the central government.

As for Arizona: a law requiring everyone to carry their "identity papers" at all times is un-American. It's telling that the people who think health reform=fascism aren't more incensed about this...but I guess it's just a matter of the color of whose ox gets gored, isn't it?

fatboy 3 years ago

I suppose the airlines are profiling too when they ask for picture ID when boarding a plane. I don't see anything wrong with asking someone for proper identification wherever they go. If you are stopped by a police officer while driving, you must provide a valid license.

In the interest of national security, proper identification is the most valid form of proof of citizenship. It the nation had been vigilant all along, states like Arizona wouldn't have to enact and enforce a law that the federal government can't/won't enforce.
All the government needs to do to fund a successful border protection, is to re-allocate the wasted tax dollars that are already being spent to support ILLEGAL aliens. ie. housing, food programs, medical benefits, welfare, etc. The pricetag for this support is $35,000 per year, PER ALIEN. I agree with Dusty's plan; boots on the ground and planes in the air, and this would fund it.

None 3 years ago

I agree something should be done about this sitution. I don't agree with the writer of this article and his accusations that he stated but his first amendment right gives him the freedom of speech.

Amazed 3 years ago

Seems like they are all arguing the same side but choose to disagree for the sake of disagreement...maybe George Orwell was right after all!

Dems spark alarm with call for national ID card http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card

OldSpook 3 years ago

Good points. 15 yard penalty for the "Hysterical hyperbole". Planes in the air and boots on the ground (or on the backside) are what are needed here.

"As for Arizona: a law requiring everyone to carry their "identity papers" at all times is un-American."

We are about to have a law requiring all Americans to have health insurance, so what's the problem with requiring an ID in your wallet, most if not all of us carry our drivers license or some form of state ID anyway. I have spent a great many years in South and Central American countries and can fully understand why some would prefer to be here. Quite frankly, they should be just as welcome as anyone else IF they follow our laws and enter the country legally, pay their fair share of taxes and please learn English. As for a requirement for carrying ID being un-American...I don't know, seems illegals are already breaking the law, why would they care about breaking another?

teufelhunden 3 years ago

Exactly. We have to show our IDs with most daily business transactions anyway. I carry my NCDL for identification purposes.

buddysmith 3 years ago

How could people in this country, illegals, receive public assistance? I dont understand how a person could qualify for these benefits if they are breaking the law here? I am being raped by a tax system that is unfair,yet, part of the money I pay goes to feed and give free health care to a person that is here breaking the law! I think North Carolina is becoming a haven for illegals because of our generous laws that feeds and takes care of them. Why dont our state representatives pass a law that does not allow public assistance to anyone in this state that is not here legally? Would they be called racist if they were to propose this law?

teufelhunden 3 years ago

It's true. American born children of illegals (a big reason they come here) can receive medicaid, food stamps, wic, etc.

dustyrhoades 3 years ago

Amazed, that "national ID card" has a real "Mark of the Beast" feel to it, doesn't it? It's a terrible idea...and since it's in a Democratic sponsored bill, perhaps someone on the Right will actually object to it this time, and we'll have something to agree about.

publius 3 years ago

@teufelhunden and @buddysmith- What would you suggest we do with a six year old who is starving and in need of medical attention? Did this child break the law? What would you do in this situation if it was up to you? What, as Americans, should we stand for when presented with this situation? Not providing help sounds so sensible in the abstract, but thats not the world we live in.

teufelhunden 3 years ago

They can always go to the emergency room like they've been doing...

RmeMP 3 years ago

@publius First of all, I will assume that you are talking about an "illegal immigrant" child; If this is the case, then the answer is a simple one - give the child an I.V. and whatever IMMEDIATE medical care is nessesary, then when the child is stabilized - you deport it, along with his/her parents! Why is this such a hard concept?
The United States of America does more than ANY other country in this world for other's sakes... At some point, as this country is slowly being torn down, you have to say "alright, that's enough!" and take care of our own first; how are we going to take care of the rest of the world, if we can't sustain ourselves?! Immigrant's are NOT the problem - ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE!!! It doesn't matter where they come from, if they are illegal they need to go; if they bring their children along with them, then they need to go also.

Amazed 3 years ago

Oh Lord Dusty...I think the world may have shifted off of its axis!!! we may actually agree! It's a red letter day! :-)

LucilleGreybone 3 years ago

I have actually heard the argument that the reason they immigrate illegally is because the process to come legally takes too long and is very costly.

Either way, it's the United States fault in some form or fashion.

Get real. Arizona is only doing what the Feds should have already done.

I don't like anyone who gains anything illegally, of any color, especially at my expense.

TheNeedle 3 years ago

"when the child is stabilized - you deport it, "

It?

Well that sums your feelings up rather well, doesn't it?

And what if "it" was born here and is, legally, a citizen? Would you kick "its" parents across the border? Or would you deport a citizen because of the sins of "its" parents?

busymoma 3 years ago

@theneedle--If the parents are here illegally, then the child should be considered illegal and deported back to their country. It is a shame that there are so many Americans that have fought hard for this country and yet, illegal aliens get better and free medical care at times. I 100% agree with the Arizona law. I think that it is time for America to take care of America.

publius 3 years ago

Let's see if I have this correct. We should probably require that all citizens carry some sort of official picture ID that would establish, at a glance, their legitimacy. Wouldn't be a bad idea. It could be required to cash a check, use a credit card, get a drink and the like. Failure to carry such a card could lead -at a minimum- to a police citation and could be grounds for arrest. We should also Amend the Constitution to state that children born in the United States whose parents are here illegally should be denied a U.S. birth certificate and automatic citizenship. Sounds reasonable, but it would represent a major change would it not?

HolleysLives 3 years ago

Actually, Arizona is wrong. This goes against what made this country a country. It's a much more serious matter than the old joke about people from the northeast moving here and THEN wanting to put up a fence. This is not to belittle the issues that have come about because of illegal immigration. All one needs to do is read the public records to ascertain that crime - particularly drug crime - seems to have inordinate representation from the immigrants. To punish all, however, is decidedly not American. What the Arizona action will do, however, is expose what will and will not work as we seek a workable solution. In a highly over-simplified comparison, it has some parallels with Prohibition. Trying to legislate certain things away invariably results in larger problems down the road. This is a remarkably complex situation. Considered thought and extensive dialogue is absolutely essential. We're dealing with human beings here.

lachm 3 years ago

When someone crosses our borders illegally, they have committed a crime. Breaking our laws is a crime.

First of all, Our Federal Government needs to secure our borders. Our soldiers have been securing the South Korean borders for 20, 30, 40 years, while our USA borders are left wide open.

I say bring our soldiers back to America and secure our borders and stop the WMD from entering into America. (Yes, drugs are WMD. They destroy our young people’s minds. It’s just one of the weapons that the terrorist use to destroy us as a nation). All other nations can secure their own borders.

Second, a child born on USA soil should not be a citizen, simple because they were born in America, unless at least one of their parents is a USA citizen. This would stop the parent or parents from using the child as a way of staying in America and receiving Government aid. Evil people use children.

publius 3 years ago

@ lachm.... I think our soldiers have an advantage in South Korea: land mines tend to be a strong deterrent. If we went this way along the border here we could save a lot of money being spent on fences.

SANDHILLSK9 3 years ago

Ok let me tell you all as a Foreigner in this county and state.

To become a Citizen runs roughly $5000,00 at time frame of 5 years. First requirement was to be legal in this country from the first step I set on american soil. 2. Have your Papers in order. 3. Work hard and earn these $ 5000,00 4. obey the Law 5. and most in-portent learning English from the first day. The american dream is still possible for anyone!!! Having a small mark on my ID what shows I'm legal would not hurt my feelings at all.

None 3 years ago

I am not saying that I am for the illegal immigrants but way before we all were born There were people who sailed here from England and encompassed this land and the habitants which were the American Indians thought the same way. I find this ironic now someone feels how the poor Indians have felt for hundreds of years.

deToqueville 3 years ago

While it is true that the Native Americans did not have an "immigration program" when the Europeans came, in retrospect don't you think they wish that they had? I bet the Mexican government wishes they had done a little better job controlling the Texas border in the 19th century too.

recondo 3 years ago

I will be hosting a protest aganst the Arizona Law and i invite all 12 million illegals to Join me and let your voice be heard. It will start at 5 pm sharp on the 5th of may in front of the capital building...... in Mexico City

RmeMP 3 years ago

@theneedle- OK, I didn't mean for the word "it" to sound so bad; my mistake.

To answer your question: his/her parents should be deported (assuming they are ILLEGAL) with the option of either taking the child with them, or handed him/her over to CPS. For everyone who thinks this is cruel, blame the ILLEGAL parents, who assumed that if they ILLEGALY came here and had a child - their ILLEGAL status would be nullified.

Imagine if a bank robber took their child along with them to ILLEGALY rob a bank - would you just forgive the jail sentence because it "wouldn't be right" to seperate the child from his/her parent? NO! You would say that the criminal should have thought about that before hand right? Same thing here, although not the same severity - still ILLEGAL!

fatboy 3 years ago

I heard on the 6:00 news last night that illegals are flockint OUT of Arizona by the tens of thousands because they don't want to get arrested. The only problem is that they are heading north. If all states adopt the same law as Arizona, maybe they'll all head back to their birth home. One illegal commented on the news (through a translator) that she didn't believe she was committing a crime by coming to the US. She said that a crime is when you kill someone. In other words, driving without a license, rape, armed robbery, etc. are not crimes? The reason they come here in the first place, and have kids here is that they get "paid" by the government for each child born here. That's why they keep having them.

teufelhunden 3 years ago

As much as many of them claim to hate the US they're sure not in a hurry to leave. Some don't want to be Americans & assimilate-they don't want to learn English-their allegiance is to Mexico, even though life there stinks.

fatboy 3 years ago

Flactem, maybe the government should hand out compases with their welfare check, so they will know which way they are supposed to go when all the states follow Arizona. :>)

OldSpook 3 years ago

From experience, they consider themselves to be Americans. Just as they consider us to be Americans and Canadians to be Americans also. Only slight twist they forget to mention is they consider themselves South and/or Central Americans and the Canadians and us are North Americans. Esto huele a chamusquina, El gringo's de Arizona tienen el orden público!

And to borrow a song title from Little Texas "God bless Texas" may they follow Arizonas example!

LucilleGreybone 3 years ago

I saw the news that was mentioned earlier where the lady said she didn't beleive she was committing a crime by being here illegally. She also didn't work and had 10 kids. Seriously. They were heading north to colorado. I bet Colorado hates Ariz.

Ha!

RmeMP 3 years ago

@chucktaylor No offense bro, but the difference between what happened to the American Indian's and what's going on now is VAST - to say the least.

Not to upset you, or anyone else, but the American Indians didn't deal with an "immigration" problem - they were simply conquered by Europeans, who then proceeded to take the land as they choose fit.

silentbob 3 years ago

This immigration issue is becoming the biggest issue in America. I am all for the U.S helping people if we can and I think this country has done alot but the immigration problem is costing the rest of this country Billions of dollars and there is no end in sight. It is time our goverment done something. We are sinking in dept and being stretched thin trying to help everyone else it is time we look after the people in this country that are working hard and doing what they are suppose to do and to stop giving hand outs to everyone who wants to take advantage of our country's generosity. If the immigrants come here, get their papers and pay like the rest of us I have know problems with them, they are welcome to enjoy the freedom's of this country.