Demarcus Dennison

Leroy Richard Medley

Randy Williams

Moore County sheriff’s deputies have three suspects in custody and are searching for a fourth in connection with an armed robbery and shooting that happened Monday night at a convenience store near Vass.

Two of the suspects are in jail and a third is hospitalized after the robbery that happened just before just before 10:30 p.m. Monday at the Exxon Short Stop Food Mart at the intersection of U.S. 1 at Camp Easter Road in Lakeview.

“He is ducking us,” Sheriff Lane Carter said of the fourth suspect. “He knows we are looking for him, and we will find him.”

The store clerk, Grace Kelly, 75, her husband, Angus Kelly, 78, also were shot during the robbery.

Angus Kelly arrived at the convenience store to pick up his wife and came upon the robbery. He got a shotgun from his vehicle and fired a shot through the store window, according to a Sheriff’s Office report. Gunfire was exchanged, and Kelly was shot in the torso. His wife was hit in the arm, and Williams was a shot in the face.

Grace Kelly was treated and released at First Health Moore Regional Hospital. Her husband was taken to UNC Hospitals Chapel Hill, where he has undergone surgery. He was listed in serious condition Tuesday afternoon.

The Kellys grandson, Chris, said he was home listening to the police scanner when deputies were dispatched to the store. He said he tried to call his grandmother to tell her what was going on and to urge her to be careful, but he was unable to reach her for several minutes. He kept calling until she answered.

She told him that everything was fine and not to worry, he said.

“Then I got a call from somebody who said they heard it was Grace who had been shot,” Chris Kelly said. “I told them they didn’t know what they were taking about because I just talked to her. I guess she wouldn’t tell me (she’d been shot) because he didn’t want to to get worried.”

Sheriff Lane Carter has known the Kellys for several years. He was on scene after Angus Kelly had been airlifted to the hospital.

“They handled the situation pretty well,” Carter said. “It was bad enough but it could have been a lot worse.”

After a two-hour search of the area, two of the three suspects identified from the store video were arrested.

Randy Joel Williams, 17, of Southern Pines, was found in a wooded area about a half mile from the scene. Williams had sustained a gunshot wound to the face. He was transported to FirstHealth Moore Regional Hospital, where he underwent surgery and is currently listed in critical condition.

Demarcus James Dennison, 18, of Polkton, was also found in the wooded area with Williams. Investigators later arrested Leroy Richard Medley Jr., 20, of Southern Pines.

Dennison and Medley have each been charged with two counts of robbery with a dangerous weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury and first-degree kidnapping. Both are being held on under a $250,000 secure bonds. Their first court appearance is scheduled for July 15 in Moore County District Court.

Captain Richard Talbert of the Moore County Sheriff's Department said the identity of the fourth suspect is known. Police were believed to be searching for him in the Southern Pines area Tuesday

According to the incident report, a hispanic male told deputies he was inside the store with his baby when two black men entered the store. One was carrying a handgun, and the other had a shotgun. He and his baby got on the floor and told one of the suspects to take whatever he wanted. The suspect took his wallet.

He then heard a gunshot, and the black male wearing a white shirt grabbed his face. He heard another gunshot and notice that the glass from the front door of the store had shattered and went everywhere. He said it appeared the man holding his face appeared to have been shot by an elderly man in the parking lot who was standing next to a jeep.

Two men, the one who had been shot, and another wearing a red shirt, fled the store while a white car in the parking lot drove away.

Talbert said sheriff’s deputies will be in contact with other local law enforcement agencies to determine if the suspects may have been responsible for several other armed robberies in the area.

The most recent of which happened Saturday when gunmen robbed the Hardee’s in Aberdeen. That robbery was captured on surveillance video. Deputy Chief Jim Foster of the Aberdeen Police said the video from that incident has been taken to Carthage.

On Monday, Foster described the suspects in the Hardee’s armed robbery as being black males. One was wearing a red shirt and another had on a white shirt.

“We are pretty sure they are the same guys,” Carter said. “We haven’t been able to connect that dot yet, but we will.”

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kgirl 2 years, 10 months ago

What a shame, to rob and shoot elderly people. What is wrong with these people? I was brought up to respect your elders, and to 'do' for them, help them, take care of them, cherish them. Shame on these punks.

SoPines4ever 2 years, 10 months ago

At least we know that this was not another crime committed by those darn visiting golfers, or someone trying to open a Bed and Breakfast in Pinehurst, of all places. Mr. Kelly should have had buckshot instead of birdshot. I hope the Kellys get well soon.

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

Dirty rotten low-life thugs !! WTH ever happened to getting a job during the summer after highschool ?? They can conspire to commit armed robbery, but can't put all that effort towards trying to make a decent honest life ?? I suppose it's no wonder since society in general has dissolved into thieving teenaged dropouts that were raised in single parent, lived off of foodstamps and welfare, don't-know-who-baby's-daddy-is households. At 17 & 18 they may already be baby's daddy themselves.....and then go off to spend the rest of their lives in prison to start the cycle all over again.

vikefan 2 years, 10 months ago

I hope the parents of these thugs are real proud...17 and18 years old...parents should know where your children are.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

thank you mr kelly for standing up to these thugs; i wish you and your wife a full recovery, while hoping these pieces of excremint don't walk out of prison alive :)

NotSoFast 2 years, 10 months ago

It does not surprise me that these guy's are from Southern Pines. Every time I read the paper there seems to be a lot of crime in the big SP. Shootings on Shaw Ave, Gains St, New projects, Old projects. Break-ins all over the place, businesses and homes. A lot of the people always comment about "Little Ole Aberdeen", as if its the only place crime happens in this county. There is a serious problem with crime everywhere. People should call the non-emergency number to there local police dept. and thank them for the services they provide and ask what you can do to help, instead of bashing them every chance you get.

runorbike 2 years, 10 months ago

What Mr. Kelly did was SOOO Clint Eastwood! WAY TO GO! Hope he has a speedy recovery.

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

I am so glad Mr. Kelly came when he did or who knows what might have happened? I am very sorry the Kellys were injured, though, and wish them a full recovery. Whoever says there's no serious crime in Moore County just need take a look at something like this. You hear of more and more convenience stores being robbed, the Hardy's from the other night, and then there's the hotels. Where are the parents of these thugs? Probably off partying somewhere and these young criminals live with Grandma who they do not respect. What a vicious cycle. Hope they see the inside of a prison for a long, long time.

akofoed 2 years, 10 months ago

This is such a sad situation. I hope Mr Kelly and Gracey have a speedy recovery. I worked with her for years and have known her and him since I was like 8 and I am old now. I am still numb by this all. Normally there is a Moore Country Sheriff up at that store at 10:30 until the clerk leaves it has been like that since at least 1992 and on my way down the road even to last week there is normally one there. Gracey always hated that shift due to fear of robbery.

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

00 buck the only way to go....

BlueMom 2 years, 10 months ago

My prayers go to the Kellys who were defending themselves. We see this all the time. It is a vicious cycle. Our prisons are overflowing with the same type of criminal. The root of the problem is in the home, and we all know what is happening. I think in the future, when we're all dead and gone, there will be a time when pathetic, worthless people who care nothing for themselves, or no one else, will "not be allowed" to have children. Maybe this is a RARE instance when one of these thugs had a parent that was good and tried hard to raise a good child, but how much do you want to bet on that??

AbdominalDohMan 2 years, 10 months ago

Too bad Mr. Kelly didn't have better aim. Now the law abiding tax payers must pay to put them through the system.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

I will wait to see how the law deals with MR. Kelly's actions.

molonlabe 2 years, 10 months ago

2 words, concealed carry!

coffecreme 2 years, 10 months ago

I sure wish Gracie and Ang a speedy recovery. I stop there often.... nice couple. :(

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

AbdominalDohMan says..."Too bad Mr. Kelly didn't have better aim. Now the law abiding tax payers must pay to put them through the system."

And pay for a hospital bill for the one who was shot!

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

i hate to bring race into this, but can you imagine what would happen if 4 young white guys planned an armed robbery on a store clerk who was an 80 year old black woman? i would bet money it would be classified as a "hate crime" - but because the shoe is on the other foot, it will simply be coincidental, and anyone who questions it will be called racist...

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

Bflat ~ me, too. I absolutely know that too many times, the true victim is punished. Who is to say that, as some remarked "Mr Kelly had better aim" it would relieve the taxpayers of this criminal's care & upkeep, that it wouldn't result in his being charged with this thug's death ? Or even if these are the same perps that have hit others here lately, that they wouldn't have just robbed her and left with no exchange of gunfire if they had not challenged ? Exercising 2nd amendment rights doesn't always mean that you are protected under the law. I hope the Kellys a speedy recovery and the least amount of grief possible dealing with the fallout that will surely follow this tragedy.

Oranje 2 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Kelly should be given a medal for defending his wife! good job!

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

So, either that's Williams school portrait, or its his PREVIOUS police mugshot seeing how he's in critical at MR Hosp. A career criminal at 17 !!

shadeysmom 2 years, 10 months ago

I agree Chuck- remember just a few weeks ago we were talking about those tracks and the trains - I have known these people all my life and I have never heard either of them say a bad word to any one... I think Gracie has worked at that store most of my life and a majority of hers...so now this is what they have to look forward to... I, too, will be interested in how this is handled and will be the first one to raise cain if I feel it is unfair....We need to pray for Genes recovery.

Tesco 2 years, 10 months ago

I think the parents of these Punks should also do time!

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

babiehio ~ "So, either that's Williams school portrait, or its his PREVIOUS police mugshot seeing how he's in critical at MR Hosp. A career criminal at 17 !!" Same background as the others...old mugshot.

rmc1220 2 years, 10 months ago

I know Mr and Mrs Kelly very well and known them for 20+ some yrs. My neice and Nephew are their grandchildren. You go Angus (Gene) you are a hero to your wife and others. You are one tough man and always been a wonderful husband to Grace and Grace I saw you just this past Saturday and at my nephews house and was so nice to see you it has been a long time since I seen you and you are still the tough woman you have always been. I am praying for both of you. I hope thay get rid of these thugs to where we don't have to pay any of our money to keep them up in prision. It aint worth it. I was on my way back home from Angier Saturday night and came through So Pines and there was a robbery going on at Hardees then it got to be the same guys. They will spend a couple of years in prision then get out and do it again. This court system sucks. Hang in there Grace and Gene (Angus) we all love you.....

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

@ clbvpm - No shocker there. I suppose the slap on the hand they got for any previous offenses didn't convince them that crime doesn't pay. Too bad this thread will probably be used by their attys to get change of venue.

Amazed 2 years, 10 months ago

Leroy was on probation: http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0982184&searchLastName=MEDLEY&searchFirstName=LEROY&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

and I'm guessing this is his father...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree: http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0277842&searchLastName=MEDLEY&searchFirstName=LEROY&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

thinkiq 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Blue Mom You stated that “the root of the problem is in the home.” And you also mention “pathetic, worthless people who care nothing for themselves, or no one else.” In addressing this, believe me, I have no mercy or compassion for anyone who prey on others. However, in reality, the creation of predator children like these didn’t begin in the home; these kids are the product of a culture that allows their children to be robbed, raped and exploited in order to point the finger at white people. As for the ones you described as Pathetic and worthless, I lay the blame for this at the doorsteps of the American press who will not allow anyone to expose these corrupt leaders in our community. The press looks the other way as so called leaders turned billions in government funds and charitable donation into their own personal coffer. Because of this, every institution in Black America is broken; making it the worst hell one can live in America. You do not get rocket scientist out of this environment; you are suppose to get criminals. My name is Jimmy Pratt and I offer an award of $500 if the charges I make each week on my radio program is not true.

SANDHILLSK9 2 years, 10 months ago

I'll wait for Rev. Barber to come up with a nice excuse for his young fellowmen who just been at the wrong time at the wrong place and arrested by law enforcement due to profiling!!

00 would have a been better choice.

I do show all my respect to the old man Kelly who try to take care of his wife and hope both will recover fast.

So now after we take care of thugs for some years let see what the DA comes up with Plea's to let them poor boys back on the road to finish school. Election is due sometimes!

How much money we tax payer have to dish out for all the Lawyers - in my point of view -Guilty as charged and be done with.

Every body go get a gun - get used to the Gun - carry your Gun open or concealed - let them know nothing is for free - even Death will cost your life!

And I don't put these thugs or their parents in my Prayers!

recondo 2 years, 10 months ago

I have known the Kellys since i was a little boy and both would literally give you the shirt off their back if you needed it. I wish you both a speedy recovery and gene specifically thank you for doing the right thing at the right moment if more people were like you id be willing to bet that there would be far less crime either by the bad guys thinking hey i might be shot or killed if i do something like this or by sheer volume we would eventually cripple and kill enough of them to at least catch little breaks while the bad guys retreat back into their rat holes to lick their wounds. as for the suspects you need to be thankful it was a load of number 8 rather than 00 buck. Mr Williams since im "not a good christian man" i can say with total clarity i hope you walk the earth with a red tiped cain the rest of your days as i am sure those little bity lead pellets did a great deal of damage to the eyes of a would be killer !!!!!!

blondie4life 2 years, 10 months ago

i agree!! he would have done moore county a favor if it had been a buckshot! what a bunch of low life thugs.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP ~ "i hate to bring race into this, but can you imagine what would happen if 4 young white guys planned an armed robbery on a store clerk who was an 80 year old black woman? i would bet money it would be classified as a "hate crime" - but because the shoe is on the other foot, it will simply be coincidental, and anyone who questions it will be called racist... "

And the NAACP would be here marching and inciting riots.

eflat7 2 years, 10 months ago

Whether Angus lives or dies, or the guys get a slap on the wrist, he did exactly what he intended to do; protect the life of his wife.

All this guy was thinking of was his wife.

According to the news she is fine now. No matter what happens, she is fine and the incident is over.

Mission Accomplished fine sir. I only hope that I would have the courage to do the same thing, placed in the same situation.

thinkiq 2 years, 10 months ago

@ RmeMP You are right. It would be called a hate crime. As a black activist, I will say: “it was a hate crime. Black kids like these kids are taught from birth that white people are responsible for everything bad that happens to black people. It would be the height of ignorance to believe that all this hate being taught would not translate into self hate rather than violence against whites. America is ignoring this problem in the same way they ignored the rise of Islamic Radicalism among young Muslims in the 1970s.

We are trying to warn America that the so called race problem is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. However Race baiting by the press and civil rights leaders under their protection has become a wall impenetrable. Racism as a dividing force would not continue another single day in America without their complicity. They have caused the black community to be so polarized by race it has become impossible for a child to grow and flower there. To ignore this too is too will the consequences.

CNMT 2 years, 10 months ago

eflat - sorry, but in my eyes the "incident" isn't over. We still have 2 people hospitalized and one criminal on the street. We (taxpayers) will be footing the bill for these thugs for a while - lawyers, jail, medical care etc. And what about Angus and Grace???? After their insurance or Medicare pays their part of the bill, who will pay the balance? I sure hope there is a "Victim's Fund" in Moore County or North Carolina to help these people pay those bills. And what about the other expenses? Transportation and lodging for Grace and other family members so they can be with Angus in Chapel Hill while he recovers. Lost wages for Grace and any other family members who stay with her thru this. Rent and utilities still need to be paid and now Grace isn't working. Maybe someone could set up a fund at a local bank to help these people out. I know I would be willing to donate something to help...any one else willing to pony up and help?

carolinagirl 2 years, 10 months ago

Guess these thugs have been hearing about our new Jailton and wanted to get an early reservation. God bless the Kellys. Mr Kelly should be awarded Husband of The Year!!!

carolinagirl 2 years, 10 months ago

Better yet maybe Mr Kelly should run for public office...he's got my vote. Bet he would do some cleaning up!!!

slimchance 2 years, 10 months ago

Some folks in the Lakeview area are talking about getting together at the store tonight for a show of support for the town and for the Kellys, figuring that WRAL will be there doing a live follow-up.

trod2009 2 years, 10 months ago

This is so sad, I visit this store all the time, Mrs Kelly is always nice to everyone and a hardworker, she did not deserve this. KUDOS to Mr Kelly for taking it into his own hands. Praying for a fast recovery!!

htsmaque 2 years, 10 months ago

I too would've liked to see a couple of these punks killed or maimed, but to lay blame on the press is a joke. Responsibility starts at home period. There are bad parents of all stripes but the AA Community has become largely a woeful failure in that regard. So sad for the few who do manage to do the single parent rearing well. Until this Country gets on with a child development educational process, it will continue on a downward spiral.

akofoed 2 years, 10 months ago

CNMT : You asked something about setting up a fund for Gene and Grace Kelly Yes I would be willing to contribute to this, there house and other bills will not take care of themselves. It is amazing the support we can do by lending a hand to our fellow residents in our county. Prayers are going strong for Grace and Gene Kelly.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

Good news everyone! I heard that the soon to be "elephant man", is blind in both eyes and in a coma - hopefully an infection will be setting in soon ;)

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

Just talked talked to a friend who says WRAL TV 5 will be at the store for a live report at 11 tonight. They are willing to come and do a report on the Kellys. We are asking ALL to come out in support of the Kellys,
Gene & Gracie. We desperately need a HUGE turnout!!!!!!! Churches, friends, neighbors, we need everyone to show up for this. Help me call and spread the word to be there at 10:20-10:30. We really need a lot of help to pull this off!!!!!!"

jr27356 2 years, 10 months ago

way to go mr. kelly, give me an address and i will ship you a box of buckshot.

recondo 2 years, 10 months ago

RemMP We could only be so lucky but i take heart in knowing if he does make it out of the coma i doubt Blind Melon Chitlin will be in the robbery business any longer and let that be a warning to the little thugs and gangbangers of Moore county white black hispanic asian or otherwise if you live by the gun you could very well die by the gun.........

htsmaque 2 years, 10 months ago

if anyone decides to organize a fund drive for the Kelly's, be sure to let me know & I'll help get the word out.

jrt5903 2 years, 10 months ago

I applaud Mr. Kelly for his efforts and wish him a speedy recovery. Someone said that Mr. Kelly had bad aim, he shot a punk in the face! Sounds like good aim to me. It's unfortunate that he didn't get the rest of them..., but his mission was accomplished, his wife's life was saved.

For the folks who insist on using racial epithets, grow up. Scum comes in all colors.

For those who complain about our having to pay to house these criminals, that is precisely why we have prisons. These worthless beings need to spend the rest of their pathetic lives behind bars, constantly looking over their shoulders. If needed, we could consider releasing a non-violent offender or two to make room for these sub-humans.

Finally, in my opinion, the Moore County DA (Maureen Krueger) really needs to be voted out of office. We don't need to slap so many people on the wrists. We need to actually PUNISH people. If punishment were given, we might not see the same people in the courts over and over again.

momofthree 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't believe that this is happening in moore co. I agree that it starts at home too. I believe that parents think that just because a child has reached 17 or 18 that they do not need parenting anymore. I think that at that age they need it even more. I think it is just going to get worse too. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it but there is graffiti all over vass. Who would have ever thought that would happen here. I think that if we don't get a handle on it now we are going to end up like spring lake and fayetteville. I don't want to live there do you. I love Moore Co. I think this is the best place to raise your kids. I just hope it stays that way.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

I just heard from a Southern Pines cop that they caught the fourth one tonight. He is also a minor.

Southernfried 2 years, 10 months ago

OMG. This is so sad. I have stopped there for years.Kept my horse nearby.They are so nice! Someone please post where donations can be made. Reader bill. I hit the button 'suggest removal' It did not work. Bad eggs come in all colors.

my3cents 2 years, 10 months ago

Thanks to the SHP, why didn't we get the secret chopper out for the Hardee's robbery and maybe they would have been caught over the week-end?

For those racial commentators, thugs do come in all colors, parenting can only do so much, the courts should keep these thugs where they belong and keep the influences off the streets and where they belong-behind bars. Change the laws, rules or whataever it takes. I'm ready for a safer community. Make it happen! One rotten apple spoils the whole bunch or didn't you learn that as a child...

blue2005 2 years, 10 months ago

My heart goes out to all the victims of this tragic accident. To the Kelly's I pray for your good health and speedy recovery. To Williams and your family I hope you will recover as well and I hold you and your family in my prayers as well. Everyone is always qick to point a finger, but at the same no one is ready to try to find a solution for the problem. African American was brought to this country and was force to do others dirty work. When they wanted better they where killed just from trying to make it to a better life. Then everyone was suppose to be treated equal, yet today's society make it hard for many African American to finish school. Growing up in Southern Pines I was a straight A student. Teachers in high school was so cruel, rude, and selfish I drop out. Even though i drop out of high school I continued with my education. I'm currently working on my masters degree. I also forgot to mention I grew up in a single parent home, but I did not give up. No matter how much many of the negative commentors try to put African Americans down there are many of us that strive for excellence. We are force to grow up in a society that is constantly putting us down, yet the problem starts at home. Sorry to inform, but the problems do not start in our homes. It starts when we are force to live with people that frown upon us when we walk down the street, it starts when they pass us in the parking lots they began to clinch their purses or hit the lock button on their cars a couple more times to make sure their cars are secure. Many African Americans can still hold their heads up high, but to some this is an insult. SO WHY SHOULD THEY BE FORCE TO RESPECT THOSE THAT DO NOT RESPECT THEM?

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

It's truly a shame that when something like this happens all the racist have to come on here and let their ignorance show.

I hope for a speedy recovery of Mr. Kelly, you are a brave and honorable man.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

blue2005~ I commend you for your accomplishments. You should hold your head up high, but these men (1) already have criminal records and (2) are robbing from others (3) shot others (4) evidently have been doing this for sometime - in 3 counties. They have no respect for the people they robbed or injured and these people did absolutely nothing to them!

akofoed 2 years, 10 months ago

Yea I really do not think Race should be brought into play. But being we are giving a class on a Race issue I want to add my 2 cents. A little info in my Cultural Diversity classes I learned that the Black Americans in America are called Black Americans, True African Americans know what tribe they are really from Plus African Americans were sold to White Americans by their own people. There was also Whites that were sold as slaves to the Caribbean’s. Just had to add that before White people got blamed for the reason people being how they are now. I get sick of hearing people saying white people are always blaming the black man for crimes. And this is not true. When you are out there no matter the race and get caught committing a crime then you make your own self look like crap. One person can make the entire bunch look bad. For example you have priest raping kids so it makes people look at priest funny. And so forth that was just an example so do not bring the religion card out screaming we going to hell now.

momofthree 2 years, 10 months ago

So what you are saying is because these boys great great great grandma or grandpa were slaves. That gives them the right to walk in a store and hold a gun to a women who they have never met. Because they didn't have someone show them respect. Have you lost your mind. When are you guys going to see that you have the same opportunities as anyone does. You guys just need to stop thinking that there are people out there holding you back the only one holding you back is yourself. I am tired of hearing this crap. You are the only one that can make your life the way you want it. You can sit back and blame everyone else but your self. I tell my children that all the time. You are the one that makes the choices in your life. You chose how to live your life.

akofoed 2 years, 10 months ago

~~momofthree~~ I agree with you I tell my kids the same thing all the time. You will be in life what you want to be and If you want to beat and bum off people you will be a bum if you work hard you will get out of life what you put into it.

blue2005 2 years, 10 months ago

All the racist was already here before. Wish it was a buckshot. To the mom ofthree, this issue do not give anyone permission to commit any types of crimes. All i was really trying to say is that instead of always saying bad parenting, single parent home, welfare, and ect is the blame because it not. Some of this people come from good christian homes, yet they chose to make the wrong descision. Look at it this way the boys was in the wrong, but to wish death is harsh. I hate the fact that the Kelly's was put in this situation. I hate that these boys acted out in an inappriate manner. They should be punished for their actions, but to wish death is cruel. AND IF YOU ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF BLACK AND ANY OTHER RACE OF DISCRIMINATING FACTORS look in side yourself and see how you act towards another race. I have friends of all ethnicities. The bottom line is right is right and wrong is wrong no matter what color or where you came from. This boys are wrong but the people making all these negative comments are no better.

BigE 2 years, 10 months ago

The color people should be talking about is green! As long as there are people with money and people without there will be crime. Since America is heading into an extended period of high unemployment we should expect more crime to result. For thirty years we have seen a shift in the distribution of wealth. Good paying middle class jobs have and will continue to disappear. We better get used to the idea of the rich and the poor because the middle class is shrinking. Expect this to be the tip of the iceberg. We have plenty of countries as examples of life with a wide disparity in wealth. It's our future. America does not have a god given right to a strong economy forever. Get real people.

And... all you small minded bigots (on both sides of the street), you are not part of the solution, you do not make America stronger.

... all you shoot 'em up cowboys, that's not the right answer either. Granted these low lifes finally got caught, but if Mr. Kelly didn't shoot first, it's likely no one would have been hurt like all the other previous armed robberies. What if that baby had been shot!

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

"Typical black gangsters, intellectual giants......"

Nope, no racism here.

Hey, gang, the laundry called. Your white sheets and hoods are ready to be picked up.

htsmaque 2 years, 10 months ago

A victim mentality is no way out of ANY situation in life. It may give you false justification for your actions (or lack of), but you're kidding yourself if you think social or individual progress can be made, when one continually relies on a crutch. And yes, I do walk the walk. I have many friends in the AA or BA Community that I have great respect for, and agree that things are as tough as ever, but the continued victim mentality that cements the situation in place is frankly pitiful & nauseating. Past time to move forward!

htsmaque 2 years, 10 months ago

Oh please, spare me. Both of my parents took their own lives before I turned 15--it makes my job as a parent to both of my kids all that more special, and in fact, a gift and an opportunity. I have lost ANY remaining sympathy or empathy for you crybabies.

Southernfried 2 years, 10 months ago

attention Racists: Maybe these boys will get a cell next to Robert Stewart. He could tell them a thing or two.

OldSpook 2 years, 10 months ago

I have to agree that the victim mentality is a self fulfilling prophesy. You will fail if you believe you're beaten before you even try. You will also be beaten if/when you listen to others around you who have failed. We used to call it the "Blue Crab Syndrome". Just like a bushel of crabs when one is almost out of the basket, there are others ready to grab and bring them back down. It takes considerable self discipline to rise above a poverty mentality, but it can be done. Been there, done that, as have several of my friends and we come in all colors.

Scoot 2 years, 10 months ago

Prayers for Mr. and Mrs. Kelly. I wish you both a speedy recovery. It breaks my heart to see our elderly population harmed. I was raised from a single Mom after my father died at a very young age. The world wide excuse people are using about their childhood is over. Life is what you make of it. The fact of people not respecting others especially our elderly is heart breakening. These so called thugs should have been out some where at work. People are put on welfare, food stamps, wick and subsidizing at an early age and never taught to work. If any race whether it be black, mexican, Native American, Chinese, white or other want to be respected get off your sorry @$$ and go to work. Remember you get out of life what you put into it. Prisons are full of robbers, stealers, murderers and drug dealers......do you want to join them or make a difference in your heritage??

armytrucker 2 years, 10 months ago

BigE... all you shoot 'em up cowboys, that's not the right answer either. Granted these low lifes finally got caught, but if Mr. Kelly didn't shoot first, it's likely no one would have been hurt like all the other previous armed robberies. What if that baby had been shot! You've got to be kidding. Hey while we are at it maybe these poor guys should sue this guy for ruining their lives. Obviously you are one of those people who cower in the corner if someone threatens your family. The only way Mr. Kelly was wrong is that he couldn't come in with a machine gun. If he merely surprised the crooks while being unarmed he,his wife and the hispanic male would have probably been slaughtered, after all no witnesses. You really think these scum would have let these folks off? I guess I'm just wide awake in your dreamland.

warbirdlover 2 years, 10 months ago

To Blue2005

To get respect, you have to earn respect. It doesn't matter what color you are. There where as many indentured servants whom where white as black slaves. What is a African American???? Am I White, English American or just an American. If they want to be African, go the hell back!!! The black leadership has been instrumental in stirring the crap. If this had been 4 white boys and a 80 year old black woman & man it would be called a hate crime. There would be marching, speeches by No Neck from the Raleigh NAAPC, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton. These guys are punk criminals, just like the ones whom killed Emily Haddock in Mt. Pleasent. People are getting tired of young punks who hide behind a gun and terrorize the honest people. When a few more get a cap popped in their butts, maybe they will start to get the idea.

blondie4life 2 years, 10 months ago

momofthree- i couldn't agree more. they have opportunities now!! slavery was 100's of years ago!

blue2005-so, just because they had a "history" of slavery in their family, they can be so-called "thugs" and be too lazy to get a REAL job and rob innocent people?! woww.

armytrucker-i love the way you think! :)

BigE, apparently, you are not protective of your family like the rest of us are.

ohreally 2 years, 10 months ago

I can not understand for the life of me, why race has to be brought up or considered every time something happens. This drives me crazy! We are each responsible for our decisions on a daily basis, period. These boys made a decision to do what they did. They planned out what they were going to do and how, even had a get away driver. I do not believe their decision to act was based on their culture or upbringing. That is a cop out to blame others for your actions.

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

Hey ChuckTaylor =>

Would it surprise anyone if Mr. Kelly was charged with assault with a deadly weapon of mass destruction; and Mrs. Kelly charged for delaying and obstructing a crime in progress for calling 911? Remember folks, the defendants have all of the rights to every legal avenue our courts can provide - and a team of taxpayer legal counsel. Three hots and a cot with bragging rights to have being alleged serial robbery suspects. Easy way to make a living - until you get shot....

I wonder if a LEO had stopped Mr. Kelly - if he would have been charged with carrying a concealed weapon??? Any bets?

I wonder if the state is going to anti up and pay for their medical expenses and Mrs. Kelly's loss of income?

But lets face it folks, they are the victims - they have no rights!!!!

Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

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Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

State law suggests you can — if you believe your life or someone else’s is in danger. N.C. General Statute 14-51.1 states that a lawful occupant “is justified in using any degree of force that the occupant reasonably believes is necessary, including deadly force, against an intruder” if he or she “reasonably apprehends” that the intruder may kill or seriously injure anyone inside or that the intruder intends to commit a felony.

While the law is designed to shield residents from criminal charges for defending their lives, it is left to district attorneys to apply the statute and determine if a shooter’s fear of being killed or injured was reasonable

eflat7 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't care what details in life put you there, but if you put a gun in my face, and I get half a second to get to my gun, it's lights out papa...

It's not about color. Every race does stupid crap like this.

momofthree 2 years, 10 months ago

Drazil65 I am so sorry you still feel that way. If i not mistaken any color can go to school. You can fill out college application just the same as i can (and i am a women). You can fill out a job application just as i can. You have been taught what you beleive by your family and friends. So that is all you know. Because the stuff you are saying has been said for years and years. So why don't you stop blaming the WHITE MAN!!!!!! I didn't know there was a separate pay list for the white man either. Where do they issue that does that come from the IRS????? Wake up!!!! You are the only one responisble for your actions and how you turn out.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

This was on another blog site and is correct:

hchase says... @all -- Web issues. Fourth Suspect has been arrested.

Authorities have arrested a fourth suspect in connection with Monday's armed robbery of a conveninece story near Vass. Paris Yusef Mack, 17, of Southern Pines, was arrested and charged with robbery with a dangerous weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury, and first degree kidnapping. Mack was incarcerated in the Moore County Detention Center under a $250,000 secured bond. His first court appearance is scheduled for July 15, according to a release from the Moore County Sheriff's Office. Three people, including one suspect, were injured during an armed robbery that happened at approximately 10:30 p.m. Monday at the Short Stop convenient store on U.S. Highway 1.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

SCC student you continue to talk out both sides of you mouth. If he had been carrying a concealed weapon and had been stopped then he could have been charged but what does that have to do with anything in this article. Why are you always so worried about who is going to pay the bill, you are still a student. The state has funds through victim's assistance that the Kelly's should apply for but that is not my issue here. I can't believe after this tragic event and the way the community has came out in a show of support for the Kelly's and then you post your stupid crap on here that makes no sense.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

blue2005 says... ~ "My heart goes out to all the victims of this tragic accident."

You indicate you were a straight A student in school. Do you know what a dictionary is? This was nowhere near being an ACCIDENT!

~ "African American was brought to this country and was force to do others dirty work."

Blacks were not the only people who suffered. My ancestors were Cherokee Indians. Ever read "Trail of Tears". I would suggest it to anyone who wants to play the "race card."

~ "Then everyone was suppose to be treated equal, yet today's society make it hard for many African American to finish school."

My grandson could not receive financial aid for his college, even though his mother was receiving cancer treatments and unable to work and his father had 3 children to support and doctor bills to pay. He was actually told he was the wrong sex and color by the financial aid counseler at the college. He is working and paying his own way through school. It is taking him a lot longer, but that is making him a stonger person. These boys had the same opportunity as he did.

~'"African Americans"

If you are African, go back. If you are American, work to make it better. Sometimes whites would like equal opportunities, too.

~" SO WHY SHOULD THEY BE FORCE TO RESPECT THOSE THAT DO NOT RESPECT THEM?"

So, exactly how did these fine people, the Kellys, disrespect these men?

blue2005 2 years, 10 months ago

For the ones that have a lot to say, the comments you make are funny. You are so clueless of what is really going on and to narrow minded to care. Like they say, "you cannot teach an old dog a new trick." I do not care what any one think that is still talking down on someone else. Until any of the people on this site if force to experience just one week in the Black nieghborhoods, there should not be any comments made to put down ones parenting or economic status. The negative comments that are being made needs to stop and i will continue to respond. Justice is for all not just us like many of you feel. I am a God fearing person so I will keep everone in my prayers. Lord have mercy in Jesus name I pray. Amen.

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

@silentbob =>JABBERWOCKY ~ Booby is on another senseless rant. Did you voice an opinion, "I can't believe after this tragic event and the way the community has came out in a show of support for the Kelly's and then you post your stupid crap on here that makes no sense."

Look lady, there you go again! Please don't contaminate this blog like you have so many others. Are you a soothsayer now?

momofthree 2 years, 10 months ago

Drazil65 Did i say i was college educated. You said you will always make more money then say "women" doing the same job (and why? just because you are born white and male, its a fact), Thats why i said that. Everyone is paid different at a job based on hire date, eduacation, and the job you do. If you know something i don't please teach me. If someone tells me i can't do something i try my hardest to prove them wrong. Why don't you try that some time. And i didn't say anything about slaves you did. And from your other post please tell me you are not on the side of the the three boys who walked in to a store and held a 75 yr old women at gun point for some money. Go fill out a job application!!!!!!! And yes i am a white women who stands behind her husband and pushes him to do his best. Going to school or to do all he can at his job. Because i want better for my children then what i had. I did pull out my birth certificate and it didn't have born at the top of the food chain it had Denver, CO.

Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

Blue2005<<<< this is to you I use to live in the Ghetto (never dated a Black American) I am a single mom with 3 kids. Hell my kids got stalked daily by the hood rats. They got chased home from the bus stop. But my kids are still honor roll students well son had one C , My kids do not do drugs, do not drink do not smoke none of that and no they were not raised in church we do go to church but not raised there. So hence my kids now understand why Whites and other Races do not care for the Black Americans now. So I want to thank YOUR people for allowing my kids to see with their own eyes. And I was just able to start college a year ago for the second time I went to College after High School due to the fact my Step Mom Worked at the College so college was Free. Then a year ago I had to attempt to apply for college AGAIN and finally got student loan’s that was finally being I was not making as much money and was a single MOM. So yea WHITE people do not get Equal Rights. Another thing my Best Friend lives in the Projects right now raising her white kids with her Black American husband and no their kids do not gang bang. And why is that??/ Because they know they will be in trouble with their Mom. So please spare me the poor me pitiful me lines. I am still offering a fresh Rope to hang these bastards. But I know that will never happen as long as they keep CRIMINALS on the streets it is JOB security for others around from the bottom all the way through the Legal system. clbvpm <<<<< Yes I have actually been on the trail of tears in Arizona near the Grand Canyon very interesting history of that whole thing. I actually have some of the stones they say symbolizes the tears that were cried.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

silentbob ~ FYI. http://www.ncrpa.org/ccwfaq.htm You may find this of interest on concealed weapons. According to this link, had Mr. Kelly concealed a shotgun in his vehicle and was detained for a traffic stop and his gun was discovered by a member of law enforcement, he could have been charged. Now with that said, the decision would have been left to an officers discretion. "with time on-duty in Law Enforcement acquires knowledge; with experience comes discretion". A quote I used many times before.

Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

Blue2005<<<< this is to you I use to live in the Ghetto (never dated a Black American) I am a single mom with 3 kids. Hell my kids got stalked daily by the hood rats. They got chased home from the bus stop. But my kids are still honor roll students well son had one C , My kids do not do drugs, do not drink do not smoke none of that and no they were not raised in church we do go to church but not raised there. So hence my kids now understand why Whites and other Races do not care for the Black Americans now. So I want to thank YOUR people for allowing my kids to see with their own eyes. And I was just able to start college a year ago for the second time I went to College after High School due to the fact my Step Mom Worked at the College so college was Free. Then a year ago I had to attempt to apply for college AGAIN and finally got student loan’s that was finally being I was not making as much money and was a single MOM. So yea WHITE people do not get Equal Rights. Another thing my Best Friend lives in the Projects right now raising her white kids with her Black American husband and no their kids do not gang bang. And why is that??/ Because they know they will be in trouble with their Mom. So please spare me the poor me pitiful me lines. I am still offering a fresh Rope to hang these bastards. But I know that will never happen as long as they keep CRIMINALS on the streets it is JOB security for others around from the bottom all the way through the Legal system.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda I will respect you maturity but don't quote anything to me. I think in your past post you mentioned that you spent some years working in LE 20 years ago, well things have changed. I will continue to be a Jabberwocky but I don't put a banner on a web site(SCC student) and then spend my days bashing the Captain of the ship. Toda just because you can get on here and convince people that you know how to write on a blog and you can look up facts and post them does not make you something special. I said it before and I will say it again as long as you have people like SCC student talking for you then you are wasting your time in any political election. I will say though that you have some experience and some knowledge and you might be a good representative of this county but we will never know. SCC student how am I on a senseless rant, I spoke to you about talking out both sides of your mouth like you always do. Please get another term other than JABBERWOCKY that one belongs to your grandfather Toda.

momofthree 2 years, 10 months ago

You didn't offend me about saying i was college educated. That is my choice not to go to college. And i am glad you are educated how did you get there. I thought the white man was holding you back. But i am glad you worked through that. As for fill out a job application i was talking about the three men who had nothing better to do at 10:30 at night then to rob someone. It is a sad issue stop making it a race issue. It has nothing to do with the color of anyone skin. It had to do with three men going in a store with guns holding a women at gun point for the money in the register. Not the White Man who Held them back. This could on on forever. So i hope the best for you.

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

Silentbob, I don't mean you any disrespect, but it seems like you are always taking jabs at Toda and SCCStudent. Toda does more than post facts on a blog. He is running for office because he believes in a cause (transparency in government, just to name one). He has a wealth of life experience and knows Moore County inside and out. SCCStudent does not talk out of two sides of his mouth. He cares about how money is being spent in this county, and if we even have the money to spend on senseless things like a new detention center that the citizens did not vote for. By the way, look up the great word "jabberwocky." You are using it incorrectly.

kimnkev 2 years, 10 months ago

I wish for both Gracie and Gene a speedy recovery. I have known them most of my life and my husband and I went to school with their grandson Chris. They are the nicest people anyone could ever meet. I hate that this happened to them. Gracie greets me every morning and ask me what I have planned for the day, Often I see Gene greeting me also with the same bright smile. I also know the family of one of the men that was captured. I know that they are in shock as well. He did not grow up in the best neighborhood, but his grandparents (whom he lived with) worked very hard to provide him with as many good oppurtunities as possible. He comes from a Christian home with good moral values, so the blame can not be put on those who raised him, but on the decisions that he decided to make as an adult. Yes the men that did this should all be punished, however unless you know for a fact where these guys were raised and how they were raised, you should just assume it was their "upbringing", parenting, and environment that made them do this horrible act. Many of you are punishing their families with your words, because of your assumptions not because you actually know them. This truly is a no win situation. Mr and mrs. Kelly will see these images for the rest of their lives when they close their eyes. All of the men involved have ruined their lives forever, because of an extremely bad choice, their families will deal with all of the critisim and fingers being pointed at them and questions of where did they go wrong, and the community will always feel a little unsafe and untrusting now, because many thought it could never happen there. I pray for all the parties involved and my love and special prayers go out to Mr and Mrs. Kelly.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@sandhillstudent-

1. NO, he will not be charged with assault with a deadly weapon - a person is legally allowed by law to use deadly force when their life or someone else's life is in danger.

2. You asked about the carrying a concealed weapon correct? What makes you think he was carrying it concealed? The article said that he "got the weapon from his vehicle" where did it say that it was concealed? You can legally carry a loaded firearm as long as it is stored in a visable place (hence, not concealed).

3. NO, Mrs. Kelly won't be charged with obstructing - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! When would you have wanted her to call 911, while a gun was in her face, or when she was being used as a human shield?!?!

I am not mad at you since you are simply posting questions, but for anyone who actually believes that the Kellys did anything wrong - there are some berries that you can go "gather" for me, while I am out "hunting" with the rest of the people who keep this country great :)

(if you don't get the hunter/gatherer analogy, then I'm sorry for you)

Jibbs 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP,

You are absolutely correct. It's easy for people to sit at home and make armchair judgments, but they would think differently if it was they who went to pick up their wife of decades (I don't know actually how long they've been married) and saw four men with a gun to her face. Regardless of what the law says, I'd put three rounds center-mass in each of them and then finish it off with a flame-thrower.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

Glodendreams I don't care anything about that word or how to use it. I don't take jabs at Toda I said I respected his maturity and experience. He made a comment about Mr. Kelly being stopped by LE and I responded back. He may have some experience but it has been 20 years since he stopped a car and things have changed. I also have a right to disagree with his reasons for running for office and whether he is what this county needs in office. I also have a right to cast my vote however I want to and it will be against Toda. I can also form my own opinion about SCC student, the name alone shows you what I said is true. He carries a banner for SCC but stays on here and bashes the whole institution.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP: Thanks for the knowledgeable post.

willala 2 years, 10 months ago

It is sad that most of you are making judgments based on race. What about all the other people of the same race that live proud, respectable lives? The ones that do not "gang bang", steal, use drugs, curse, know who their "baby daddy" is because he lives with them? All blacks are not the same as with ANY race. No two people are alike, so how can you classify all by one's mistake? @Well_U_Asked, I am sorry you and your children had a rough point in your life. However, to judge all blacks because you met some bad ones is just wrong. As a young girl, because of my father's position and status, we had members of the KKK burn a cross in our back yard. That would have been the perfect opportunity for my parents to teach me to hate other races. However, they did not. They taught me to not make judgment against others. That everyone does not share the same views. I am married, husband defends our country. Never been in trouble with the law, kids are honor roll students. Still I have been ignored many times while waiting to receive service. I have experienced being called racial slurs for no reason other than my skin color. I have been chased out of a store accused of stealing pillows of all things, because the clerk did not have a bag large enough to place them into. Seriously, the list could go on of pointless, unfair, and unjust encounters. I am sure we all have had them to some degree. I was always taught to respect others and I still continue to this day to do so. So to reiterate my point, not everyone behaves the same way, black, white, or any other race.

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP=> I have all the respect and compassion in the world for Mr. and Mrs. Kelly and I hope they both recover physically from their ordeal. Perhaps never psychologically due to such a traumatic life changing event. I think you and others have taken my post out of context. [June 30, 2010 at 9:43 a.m.]

Go back to my post and perhaps you might just see the humor? What would the possible outcome been if Mr. Kelly didn't have his shotgun? They both possibly could have been killed and thank God that didn't happen. Mr. Kelly as well as any person who would have encountered that situation possibly would have carried out his same actions. Who knows? Only if they had a firearm in their vehicle. I do know that if one is stopped in this county with a shotgun not in the back window of their truck in full display on a gun rake, they could be charged with carrying a concealed weapon.

silent booby has emotional issues and identity problems. She likes to make up stories to support her ego about people or events she has absolutely not personal knowledge. A high school education at it's best!

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

booby => "I also have a right to disagree with his reasons for running for office and whether he is what this county needs in office." Why then don't you run and shut up about it. You would have like minded commissioners who want to spend us into bankruptcy. It's comforting to know you support 200 million in debt! You can't stay on topic since you seem to constantly have an ax to grind about something not being discussed on a blog. Go for it, you should start a blog so we can exchange insults...just you and me ~ madam.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

SCC student I don't have to discuss my education level with you. It is obvious that you are the one with the complex because you want everyone on here to know you are a student and maybe that makes you smart. I know you are glad you can do all your talking and name calling from behind a computer because in the real world you would be in a mess. I have my education junior and years of work experience that you would be afraid to do. The comments you make are the very reason I said what I did to Toda about his political future as long as he has you talking he does not have a chance. He needs to do to you what president Obama did to Reverend Wright. If you don't know that is to shut you up. Idenity problems look at your picture on here. I bet if we looked into it you are going to school free or aleast on somebody elses dime and you want to always talk about who is paying for something. We know you are not.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@sccstudent-

again, no offense, but you are wrong in regards to having a weapon in a vehicle. it DOES NOT have to be in a gun rack in the window:

you can have it in your lap you can have it in the floorboard you can have it on the dashboard you can have it laying accross the passenger/back seat etc...

AS LONG AS IT ISN'T CONCEALED!!! (BTW: good idea to keep hands visable, and let an officer know right away if you do have one)

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't run because I don't want to. I am not always on here bad mouthing everyone in the county because they don't do what I want them to. When you grow up and start working you will figure out that if you are going to have anything you are going to have debt. I never said I was totally in agreement with the jail issue I said I had some issues and I would have liked for it to have been put up for a vote. I also said I had respect for Toda because of his experience and knowledge but if he knows anything about politics he knows that your mouth will cost him more votes and he can talk up. Believe it or not junior I have alot of experience myself and not just in LE but also in politics. I also know that alot of political people are reading this info or I am showing it to them and they also agree you will do him alot of damage. I don't fight with bi-polar children and like I said before especially from behind a computer. I hope and so do many others that you keep talking because as long as you do Jimmy Melton and no other county commisioner is going to squirm or lose a minutes sleep about a write in canidate that you support. Toda can make some good points about some key issues and then you write something that makes no sense and shows you immaturity and age. That action by you takes the message out of what he spent awhile to post. Believe it or not but if Toda hires a good manager for his election that person will tell him alot of what I told you here. He needs every vote he can get and then some.

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

Silent Booby => "I bet if we looked into it you are going to school free or aleast on somebody elses dime and you want to always talk about who is paying for something. We know you are not."

Who is WE? are now talking for everyone in Moore County or are you a palm reader or a soothsayer? Seems that you know alot about nothing but your own imagination!

"Idenity problems look at your picture on here." Identity is spelled this way. and is your avatar Kim Jung Il gray?

OK -"I know you are glad you can do all your talking and name calling from behind a computer because in the real world you would be in a mess." What kind of mess? Oh - are you using a computer or a blackberry?

Good observation! "Toda about his political future as long as he has you talking he does not have a chance." I'm sure he will want to know that you have through your mystic powers, concluded that he has no chance. At least he is trying to circumvent the the power of three and their spending millions and bring open transparency to government.

BTW dipshick: "Please get another term other than JABBERWOCKY that one belongs to your grandfather Toda.

THE ONLY CHILD WHO COULD HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO ME FOR TODA TO BE MY GRANDFATHER - DIED OF Myocarditis AT AGE 3 MONTHS.

Believe me when I say, I would welcome an opportunity to meet with you to discuss our exchange and your comments! Just send me a telephone number and we'll get together!

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP=> did you look at Toda's link? When some local officers stop a vehicle and charge someone with carrying a concealed weapon - a pocket knife, then as one police chief once said about a person carrying a holstered firearm, "it's considered concealed when they turn sideways" and it is out of view.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@SCC-

i am not trying to make you look bad, so i hope you are not taking all this personally; i am simply trying to educate you or anyone else who is curious.

AS LONG AS THE WEAPON ISN'T HIDDEN, AND IS DISPLAYED IN PLAIN SIGHT, YOU CAN HAVE IT IN YOUR VEHICLE!

(as long as your vehicle is not somewhere that prohibits weapons)

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

"Would it surprise anyone if Mr. Kelly was charged with assault with a deadly weapon of mass destruction; and Mrs. Kelly charged for delaying and obstructing a crime in progress for calling 911? "

Yes, I would, and if you weren't such a bloody hysteric with a grossly overdeveloped persecution complex, you would be, too.

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

Well U Asked: perhaps it would be more appropriate if the cross in your avatar was on fire.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMP I appreciate the fact that you are not trying to make him look bad but you can't do anything about that if he speaks he looks bad. He don't know anything about the law he just goes off what someone else tells him. A pocket knife is not a concealed weapon unless it is carried a certain way or has a certain length. He is not old enough to know that. I am just making observations about you SCC student that is what you do alot of. Dipstick-another term to show your age. Keep talking though it is funny. I am thinking about your last comment because really you are not in my league on any level, education, experience or even just plain common sense. I would love to know but I am sure when you see me you know who I am. Also being a person knowledgeable about politics don't get me wrong I applaud Toda for doing what he is doing he not only talked the talk he is going to walk the walk and win or lose he should be commended for that. I addressed my comments to you and I don't need some mystic powers anybody that has been around politics any period of time can see that you are a time bomb that he will never know when your mouth will explode.

SoPines4ever 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Well U Asked

To my knowledge the Trail of Tears refers to various routes that were used to relocate eastern bands of Native Americans, (Cherokee, Seminole, Creek, and others), to reservations in Oklahoma. None of these trails went through Arizona to get to Oklahoma. What trail are you referring to?

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

Hasn't anyone besides me (hey, Toda, maybe you do) lived here long enough to remember what happened at the 66 station in Hillcrest when the perp was injured during an attempted robbery ? It is not out of the realm of possibility for law enforcement and the justice system to wrongfully hold the true victims (the Kellys) responsible for injuries sustained by their assailants during the commission of a crime ?? I hope this does not happen AGAIN in this county !!

Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

SoPines4ever... The trails I was referring to are in Arizona well that is what they call the trail. I was a child when I went to it. Here is a link though of the history on it. http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsa.html @ willala I do not judge blacks because of that incident. Heck I am equally prejudice I dislike any person of any race that treats people the way these boys have done. I am not prejudice to them because of their race I just think these boys should of chose a different path in life to go down. It is not on the parents these Boys know right from wrong and they chose to still do it. My daughter went to school with the 17 yr old. He knows right from wrong well he did when he was hanging out at our home in the past. Plus I was making a point based on what a person above stated that >>blue2005 “”Until any of the people on this site if force to experience just one week in the Black neighborhoods, there should not be any comments made to put down ones parenting or economic status”” I was pointing out I have lived there so I can address issues like this. Just had to let you know that. So do not think I judge a person because of the hood rats that lived near me.

ewpguy 2 years, 10 months ago

@Drazil65

I believe that the "suspects" were truly perpetrators caught in the commission of a violent crime -- in my feeble little mind they don't deserve the label of suspect. I also believe that there reaction was more akin to retaliation than defense of themselves.

The justice system failed these young men and the community, as a whole, by not redirecting their lives earlier upon the commission of multiple crimes.

ewpguy 2 years, 10 months ago

I have also never been shot at nor have I shot at another person so these are just my thoughts, one can only wildly guess as to how they would react once placed in such situation.

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

"Hasn't anyone besides me (hey, Toda, maybe you do) lived here long enough to remember what happened at the 66 station in Hillcrest when the perp was injured during an attempted robbery ? "

I do, but let's let the NC Court of Appeals tell the story:

"Petitioner applied to the Crime Victims Compensation Commission of the North Carolina Department of Crime Control and Public Safety (the Commission) for benefits after being shot while attempting to flee a convenience store with money he stole from a customer. The Final Decision of the Commission denied petitioner's claim, ruling that his "contributory misconduct" barred recovery. Petitioner appeals the order of the trial court affirming the Commission, arguing that being shot was not a foreseeable result of his theft of the store patron's money. Respondent counters that "the Victims Compensation Fund is not a Workers Compensation fund for criminals that are injured during their illicit employment." We affirm the trial court.

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

"Pertinent facts and procedural information include the following: On 20 March 1992 at about 4:10 p.m., petitioner drank four or five beers at the home of a friend. After leaving the residence, petitioner drove to the Hillcrest Trading Post (Hillcrest), a convenience store, to purchase some breath mints. Petitioner departed the store without incident, but eventually returned between 6:15 and 6:30 p.m. He entered and removed a bottle of soda from the "drink box," whereupon he saw a customer, Charlie Lemmonds (Lemmonds), holding a twenty-dollar bill. Petitioner made a comment to Lemmonds to distract him, then snatched the bill and ran towards the exit door, still holding the bottle of soda. Frederick E. Sineath (Sineath), the proprietor of Hillcrest, heard a customer say "he got my money." Sineath shot petitioner in the back as the latter was opening the store's exit door. In consequence of injuries received, petitioner remains paralyzed from the waist down. He was subsequently charged with larceny, while Sineath was charged with assault."

it doesn't say if Sineath was convicted of assault for shooting an unarmed fleeing man in the back.

McCrimmon went to prison, was paralyzed, and didn't get a dime.

So, what's your point?

theonewithsense 2 years, 10 months ago

Drazil65 says...

"It is not out of the realm of possibility for law enforcement and the justice system to wrongfully hold the true victims (the Kellys) responsible for injuries sustained by their assailants during the commission of a crime ??"

Interesting as the first shot to be fired was from the outside into the building and at that point the suspects then defended themselves with firing back. Wonder if the wound suffered by the wife was fired from her husbands gun? I guess the suspects had the right to defend themselves at that point (everyone is arguing that anyone/everyone has the right to defend themselves, so I am guessing that would be the suspects as well)? I guess it is possible...

Is it possible for anyone to be more clueless? Defend themselves LOL They should be charged with a capital crime. Attempting to murder their victims should be a capital offense. Just because they are bad shots does not mean that they are less dangerous to society. At worst they need to be locked up for life.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Dusty ~ I remember that very well. I didn't keep up with actions of the court after it happen.

Do you recall a case where a store owner was having regular breakends at his business, and set up and aimed a shotgun at the front door where the perps were entering the store. When they entered the store, they entered the store through that door; the door knob was attached to the trigger using a pull string and subsequently he was shot and seriously injured. If my mind serves me well, the person breaking into the business ended up owning the store through a law suit. I couldn't find that specific case...it didn't happen here in Moore County. The court transcript would be an interesting read.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@drazil-

you want to know why she was working at age 75? i'll tell you why: now sit down and prepare yourself, you ready? beleieve it or not... some people actually ENJOY working, some people work to pay bills, some people make money and save it for there kids and grandkids!!! GASP i know people like you are counting the years until you can start living off the government only, and signing up for very program that you can until then, but SOME honest, HARD WORKING americans actually take pride in what they have - BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR IT!!! i hope you are "gathering" your "change" while the rest of us are out "hunting" for you, so you can survive until your mid 60's ;)

Well_U_Asked 2 years, 10 months ago

Drazil65 ... She (Gracie) did not always work that shift. She use to work 1st shift for as long as I could remember. But When The store was purchased from David Ragsdale the new owners then started making the employees shortly after that work off shifts even if that was not your normal shift. The employees that got the day shift normally were the ones who were in management / assistant management. Normally every night also there is a sheriff at that store near closing time just in case things like this is to happen.

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda: the "trap gun" cases, wherever they're from, are classic ones studied in most criminal and tort law textbooks. The basic principle is this: you're allowed to use deadly force to defend your life or, in some cases, that of another. A booby trap--gun, spike pit, or IED-- doesn't come close to meeting that standard.

There are quite a few bloodthirsty Charles Bronson wannabes who think you should be able to kill someone for stealing your car or your silverware or 20 bucks, even if it's not your 20 bucks.

Fortunately, the law places a higher value on human life than that.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@drazil65-

i would like for it to be known, that you are from this day forth - the one person i cannot stand on this board...

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

"i know people like you are counting the years until you can start living off the government only, and signing up for very program that you can until then, but SOME honest, HARD WORKING americans actually take pride in what they have - BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR IT!!! "

This just in: RmeMP hates retirees on Social Security. That should make you popular in this area.

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

"i would like for it to be known, that you are from this day forth - the one person i cannot stand on this board... "

Dang, I was hoping it would be me. There are some s*** lists I'm proud to be on.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

no dusty, sadly you are not on the top of my list (close though if it makes you feel better). BTW, since you like to tell lies on here, can you quote me where I said that I "hate retirees on social security" as you put it? you are wrong again - and unlike you, I can prove it :)

what i hate are people who rely on the government WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO, and i ADMIRE folks who continue to work (even if part time) IF THEY CAN AND CHOOSE TO!!!

if someone wants to retire and live off social security - fine, they've earned it; but don't slam those who CHOOSE to continue to work!

Wordsmith 2 years, 10 months ago

blue2005 - You would garner the respect you so clearly desire if you used proper grammar. Like it or not, we are all judged by the way we express ourselves regardless of race. I am surprised someone working toward a Masters Degree would not have a better command of their native language. You clearly have a lot of passion. Please put it toward making the most out of your life and setting a positive example for those you know. That is the best way to make a difference in this world.

theonewithsense 2 years, 10 months ago

You wolud ganrer the reepsct you so clrealy deisre if you uesd prpoer grmamar. Lkie it or not, we are all jugded by the way we exerpss ourvelses regarldess of rcae. I am surispred somoene wokring torawd a Matsers Dergee wolud not hvae a bteter comamnd of thier naitve lagnuage. You clraely hvae a lot of pasison. Plaese put it toawrd mkaing the msot out of yuor lfie and steting a poistive exmaple for thsoe you konw. Taht is the bset way to mkae a diffenerce in this wlrod.

teacher 2 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for being 'that guy' Wordsmith! I was thinking the same thing while reading it...Yes, I have a Master's degree. No, I do not teach English. I mean, when you start to throw out the 'Straight A's' and 'Master's degree' comments, it should naturally be reflected in your writing...

However, that is not what these posts are about--so to address the issue at hand--way to practice your 2nd amendment right, Mr. Kelly!

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

RmeMp: yeah I figured you'd try to backpedal on your own words about people who "counting the years until you can start living off the government." And that you don't have the stones to call me a liar under your real name. Coward.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

@dusty- no, fat boy you are the coward ;) you don't know the first thing about heroism...

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm not the one throwing insults while hiding behind an alias, "hero." What a nutless wonder.

LucilleGreybone 2 years, 10 months ago

@RmeMP You are officially the one person I love on this board.

shadeysmom 2 years, 10 months ago

Wow- Is this what the community is all about? Petty , snide jabs at one another?- this is out of hand. Too Bad!

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

shadeysmom: Yes, this is pretty much it. Hardly worth the effort, really.

g33kchic 2 years, 10 months ago

It seems like every time I read an article on here someone changes it to a race topic. It could be about a dog fashion show and someone is going to say it's racist.

I don't care if the boys who did this were purple with pretty pink polka dots. What they did was wrong. It was a horrible crime that I'm sure will have an equal punishment.

The Kellys will be in my thoughts and prayers.

the1 2 years, 10 months ago

95% of the people on here are only concerned with the race of the suspects. Who cares? They put down the entire black community based on what others do. All blacks are not criminals, no matter what you have heard or read. I read so much hate in the pilot that it's a shame. You should all be happy that the suspects were caught and pray, as a community, the Kelly's recover.

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

"I don't care if the boys who did this were purple with pretty pink polka dots."

it would certainly have aided in the investigation of the Hardee's robbery.

Unfortunately, the majority of the KKKommenters here don't share your color blindness. Just look at the post above yours to get an example of how ugly it gets.

But oh, they'll deny to their dying breath that there's any racism here or anywhere and angrily call YOU the racist for pointing out their obvious hatred and fear of anyone who doesn't talk like them or whose skin is darker than theirs.

You people make me sick. I'm done with this thread.

babiehop 2 years, 10 months ago

Dusty, sorry, forgot that your roots run deep, too. Thanks for looking it up and sharing. My point was only this, that justice isn't always just. There are cosequences, legal and otherwise to your actions. The victims here will have scars from this, visible and not, long after the hullaballoo dies down. Being hailed a hero doesn't mean there won't be pain associated with decisions made no matter whether the actions taken were necessary or only perceived so. Being right doesn't mean there isn't suffering involved.

Worldpro 2 years, 10 months ago

A tragic as this situation is, it bates the question why was this 60 year old man carrying a loaded shotgun in the back seat of his car? "Every American has the right to bear arms"? This is lunacy. Did the man have a cell phone? Did he first try to call the police for assistance? The "Dirty Harry" comments about this guy fail to realize that Clint's character was a highly trained police detective. It is very unlikely that any professional law enforcement officer would have randomly shot through the door in an effort to save a hostage. Especially when all were armed and the chances of losing the hostage were extremely high. Emotion was what got this guy and his wife shot. Had he played it cool and called in the professionals, maybe all they would have lost was a few bucks. There were lots of alternatives had the just thought for a moment. He could hidden behind his car for when they came out. He could have attempted to disable their car. He shoud have just called the police. I understand the man and the baby made it out okay. They gave up the wallet - cheap loss in the face of a life and death situation.

blondie4life 2 years, 10 months ago

Worldpro-so you would just "play it cool" if your family was being held hostage?? wow, glad i'm not related to you.

RmeMP 2 years, 10 months ago

i love "armchair quarterbacks"... everyone says what they would have/should have done - most having never been in a life or death situation themselves...

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

Some of the "speculations" here are interesting. It makes no difference the reason Mr Kelly had the gun in the car, but just the fact that he did. The other things like they would have gone on and done nothing to Mrs. Kelly if not for the shot fired by Mr Kelly....well, maybe so, maybe not. The facts still stand on what did happen. I'm sure there will be more facts presented as the investigation continues.

Worldpro 2 years, 10 months ago

Suffice it to say that I have been in combat situations where it is only the "cool head" and strategy that has saved lives. I've also been in proximity situations where civilians were at risk in this country. The question as to whether Mr. Kelly had the right to have a loaded shotgun in his possession is in fact germane. The reaction of the man with the baby was appropriate as he saved his life and the life of his baby. The action of Mr. Kelly was what got he and his wife shot. Since the theives didn't shoot the man and child, one can presume their motivation was the cash. Leaving witnesses didn't seem to be an issue for them. They only fired when they were fired upon. As for someone who would prefer I rush in and put my wife in danger under the guise of "protection" (without thinking) I'm glad they're not related to me either - because at this point I'd be in critical condition and you'd have a bullet in your shoulder.

coffecreme 2 years, 10 months ago

you are making some sense there Worldpro.

buddysmith 2 years, 10 months ago

I think there is a law in NC that people convicted of a felony and serving time has their children(baby daddy) compensated by the state. Is anyone familiar with this law? If it is true, we have to pay 3 squares a day, medical, dental and now support for their children? I hope i am wrong!!! You people that dont believe in guns had better wake up and take a look around you!

irkim13 2 years, 10 months ago

Worldpro how exactly do you know that is what got them shot, how do you know they were not going to kill everyone? They were not masked so seems to me witnesses would be a problem and the job was probably not finished.
I'm sure these nice young men just needed some cash and cared for the lives of those they were torturing and never once thought kill them. Suuure

None 2 years, 10 months ago

buddysmith ~ it's call A.F.D.C ~ Aide to Families with Dependant Children which is a monthly cash payment based on the number of children and household income. It's based on a 1975 Federal Law.

BigE 2 years, 10 months ago

The ice cream man, the pizza deliver girl, the hotel folks, Hardees... anyone get shot during those robberies?

irkim13 2 years, 10 months ago

That's right and they were all commited by the same people and I'm sure Mr Kelly was running all those figures through his head while watching his wife get robbed by gunmen. Maybe he was thinking ahead having his shotgun in the car for just such an occassion.

But you know what just because some people are using hand guns to rob someone we should always assume they only mean well and would never actually use the guns. It is quite silly to think someone willing to rob someone at gunpoint would actually use it.

BigE 2 years, 10 months ago

You are right, shoot first, think later. :/

irkim13 2 years, 10 months ago

And if he had stopped to think (and maybe he did for all anyone knows) and watched them shoot his wife and the 2 others then what? That would be much better.

jrw 2 years, 10 months ago

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jrw 2 years, 10 months ago

And to BigE..."The ice cream man, the pizza deliver girl, the hotel folks, Hardees... anyone get shot during those robberies?" No, and the lowlifes weren't caught either, were they? Maybe they were headed to your house next...ready to thank Mr. Kelly yet?

CJ 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't believe that anyone would think Mr. Kelly did anything wrong. I know them personally and he was only trying to defend his wife, with a hunting rifle, by the way. I dare say if you drove up and your wife was being held at "gunpoint" you wouldn't do what you could to protect her. Would hate to be married to some of you.
Let's put the blame where it goes. These bums should have been at work themselves instead of taking what doesn't belong to them. So many people try to blame everyone else - well blame them for robbery and holding someone at gunpoint. Its a wander she didn't have a heartache and die right there. Can't believe the Pilot still allows this forum with such hateful comments.

irkim13 2 years, 10 months ago

Since some above want to play armchair QB, lets look at the (more likely) potential headline if Mr Kelly had done nothing: Local Store robbed clerk, man and his child shot to death while clerk's husband watched. Suspects on the run.

Someone above also was shocked that this man had a "loaded" gun in his truck, well an unloaded gun may as well be a bat. A bat at a gunfight will lose every time.

skylinefirepest 2 years, 10 months ago

During the commission of a crime these punks had NO RIGHT to self defense...doesn't matter how many shots were fired at them or who fired them! Any person, with or without a CCP, has the right in N.C. to use deadly force to aid another human being. His shotgun was not a concealed weapon. My understanding is that his wife and the baby were not anywhere near the line of fire. Just some quick comments to clear up some possible mis-conceptions...that said, how do we know these pillars of society didn't mean to harm anyone?? Worldpro...his Jeep was parked right at the front door so how do you expect him to use a cellphone to call the police without their seeing him and possibly shooting him anyway?? And at that time his wife was NOT a hostage. And how was he going to disable their car when punk number four was in the car and probably armed?? And with all due respect to my LEO friends "When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!" Yes, he took a risk but had he done nothing and these punks had shot his wife he would have to live the rest of his life with that!! Actually the MCSD got on the scene very quickly but these guys were gone by then. Their driver chickened out and left them to make a run for the swamp. There is no firm knowledge of what "might" have happened and I personally think that doing nothing is rarely an option. I can give you cases that have been right here in Moore County to back up what I say.

Having read all the comments I'm dismayed that we have so many people here in the Sandhills who were not there and didn't know about it until it hit the news but who have made statements without having any knowledge of what actually went on!! Is there a real problem with waiting for all the story before spouting off about how Mr. Kelly might have put people at risk?? I personally think that he did a great job with a single shot shotgun and I'd have preferred that he had a gun with more rounds and more power!!

And Dusty, the main difference between Libs and Cons is that when a Con doesn't like guns he simply doesn't buy one.....when a Lib doesn't like guns he doesn't want anyone to have one. I find it fascinating that the "party of the people" lumps all gun owners into the criminal pot.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

You may learn in the future that one of the thugs came with hands up and said don't shoot, and Mr K told him to go on then. Well, I "heard" that one came back with a gun and shot Mr. K in the torso. IF that's true, how was this criminal defending himself when he could have just gone on and left the scene. And again, this is just hear-say. Let the facts come out before passing so much judgment and speculation. I personally know Mr & Mrs Kelly and they are fine people. I pray for their recovery. The robbers were in process of crimes and I am shocked at all the "what ifs" that many of coming up with. Let the truth and facts come out on what happened.

BigE 2 years, 10 months ago

For the record, I have not once commented on specifically on Mr. Kelly. I hope he and his wife recover quickly. Both physically and emotionally.

My remarks have been consistent here and in other threads. I am just communicated my opinion regarding the ignorance of us all carrying guns and starting a gun fight in the name of self defense.

Someone breaks into your home, have at it. Blow 'em away. However, out in the street/public where other lives (not the bad guys) get impacted by your macho decision, well, it is just bad business. If you are going to play shoot 'em up cowboy, then you have to be willing to take responsibility for your actions. Kill or injury an innocent bystander then don't whine about going to jail yourself. You make a bad call, do the time, too. And, please don't use the excuse that you had to make split second decisions, because then you would be making my point. If you aren't capable of keeping your cool, you shouldn't be carrying.

And btw, not all conservatives or moderates have to be gun advocates so settle down on the "liberal" name calling.

irkim13 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't think anyone writing here wants all people to be carrying guns around, I'm sure we all know people we really don't want to be carrying a gun, we just want the ability to choose .

Why do you BigE, assume making a split second second decision means you did not keep your cool? To everyone complaining about Mr Kelly's actions how do you feel about the actual criminals actions? Where is your vitrial toward them? Did you forget they were carrying guns as well?

AbdominalDohMan 2 years, 10 months ago

@jrw... I would take you shoulder to shoulder into battle with me any day of the week. I say the punks got off light. The would have gotten more than a single shot shotgun if they threatened me or my family.

newstime 2 years, 10 months ago

Get well soon Mr. and Mrs. Kelly. God bless you both.

Jibbs 2 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone know how Mr. and Mrs. Kelly are doing?

Please, this Sunday ask your pastors and the congregations to pray for them; and also, if there is anything we the community can do to help in any way.

willala 2 years, 10 months ago

Will do Jibbs...

BornAndBredHere 2 years, 10 months ago

has anyone seen the latest Supreme Court opinion? well in case you haven't basically they took the DC gun ban ruling one step further and said that the 2nd amendment applies to every US citizen(Baring felons, crazy folks, and in certain places) they also said that the "INtented for Militia" interpretation was B.S. hopefully we will be reading about more law abiding, gun carrying people like Mr. Kelly protecting themselves, their loved ones and their property in the future. I say God bless the Kellys and I pray that if he pulls through that Ed's Guns or some other 2nd Amendment lover will see fit to donate an automatic short barrelled shotgun and a case of buckshot to him. Heck, maybe a Tommy gun would be nice!!!

my3cents 2 years, 10 months ago

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN, HOME OF THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!!

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1. NO, he will not be charged with assault with a deadly weapon - a person is legally allowed by law to use deadly force when their life or someone else's life is in danger.

3. NO, Mrs. Kelly won't be charged with obstructing - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! When would you have wanted her to call 911, while a gun was in her face, or when she was being used as a human shield?!?!