Picerno Responds to Critics: Calls Accusations 'Outright Lies'

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

"The Guilty Dog Barks the Loudest." Why would Picerno take so much time out of the County Commissioners Meeting to defend himself? Did he fail to mention he founded the company, he owns the building, Southern Software pays his health insurance, his son Joey worked there, and of course he cares about the companys success.

Is a 40 million dollar Public Safety building not to the advantage of Southern Software. Afterall, their main business is criminal and law enforcement software. Is it not a huge advantage to drive up the road from the home office and use the Public Safety Complex as a testing site to develop their software. Also, to tour the occassional client around?

So, what we have is maybe not a legal problem but an ethical problem. Is it fair to the taxpayer to pay 40 million dollars for this facility when Yadkin County is building a 190 bed jail for 8.7 million. I ask you, why is this one so fancy? Aren't we supposed to keep jails plain so inmates do not wish to return? Picerno said himself that if this fails it "will be court ordered taxes." So, bark, bark, and then bark again as you lead Moore County into a 154 million dollar debt for what appears to be a self interest project.

jjslilred 2 years, 10 months ago

When you post comments, do you read the policy right above it? Just in case you didn't, here it is again:

"Please be courteous. Don't post comments that are abusive, defamatory, illegal, libelous or obscene. It is possible to debate without engaging in personal attacks."

Defamation and libel are illegal, people! Can you make a valid point without committing a criminal act, or are those the only political tactics you know?

DrummerBoyItalia 2 years, 10 months ago

Plumblevel >>> The "time he took out of the meeting" was during the comments period which is allocated time for the purpose of making statements exactly like the ones Mr. Picerno gave. Furthermore, let me ask you this.... If you were being called a crook, a thief and all of the other criticisms that have been made towards Commissioner Picerno, would you not speak up and defend yourself??? Would you not address such criticism??? Would you not "bark" (as you call it) yourself??? Im sure you would, so dont be a hypocrit.

Also, let me point out something about your spouting off all of the same crap everyone else has been on these same issues. If you read Mr. Picerno's full statement, everyone of your arguments and remarks along with everyone elses are totally put to shame. Here is the URL >>>

Complete Text of Picerno's Statement to Board

Go ahead and read it if you havent already. Obviously you havent because if you did, you wouldnt of written the false garbage you posted above. Note that everything in Comm. Picerno's statement is quoted out of OFFICIAL DOCUMENTED MEETING MINUTES and other OFFICIAL and NOTARIZED government documents. From what official documents or any source of FACT are you basing your accusations on??? Your criticism is coming from "he said, she said" sources and quite honestly, it sounds like you didnt get enough drama in your highschool days so your trying to catch up. The sad fact is, now that all of you have no arguments left, Im sure all of you ignorant critics out there will start saying Commissioner Picerno paid someone to alter those documents. Thats about the only thing left for all of you after all of your lies and insane allegations were totally invalidated a couple nights ago during the COMMENTS PERIOD.

So I urge you, Plumbslevel, TODA, and all the other nay-sayers to go find someone else to target because Nick Picerno is a good, honest and CARING human being that you will never get over on because he is smarter than you and will always be above your heads, able to put you in your sad little places where you obviously sit and dwell 24 hours a day. You should be thanking him for caring about this community enough to serve as a commissioner rather than ensuring he knows better than to run for a second term by making it impossible to do the right thing without suffering immense amounts of criticism and stress. So if you havent noticed yet let me save you some embarassment, your allegations have been proven false and invalid, so MOVE ON!!!

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

Why is Mr Picerno so quick to issue statements and his own accusations against the constituents that have a right to express their opinions and ask questions? Go read the entire text of his statements by clicking the link within the article. As the old saying goes, "It's not what was said, but what wasn't said" that has become important.

There are many unanswered questions regarding the actions taken by the 3 commissioners that have caused great concern with the taxpayers and residents of Moore County. Have they not been quick to push this DC bond on through and why? Have they allowed ample time for public comment before taking taking that action and why not? Have they just voted in a huge debt to tune of $50 million during a down economy?

Isn't it true that not much was known about the size of the DC until shortly before the last election? Isn't it just now coming out how much the DC will cost? Isn't it also true that many people were outraged about the amount paid for the Grimm property when it was purchased?

At one time, all most people were told was that the sheriff dept and the jail were going to be expanded a little. But golly, we sure didn't know it was going to cost near $50 million and have a potential for over 600 beds.

I believe everyone has certain responsibilities that includes protecting private property ownership rights and anything that affects its value. Placing a huge DC (aka jail) in the middle of a historic town does not protect private property ownership and will devalue homes in the vicinity. There may be a need for more space at the DC, but the site chosen isn't appropriate for the Town or for Moore County.

When fingers are pointed at "the people" (voters & taxpayers) it will only cause further outrage. The magnitude of the actions that have taken place are just now being realized by "the people." All those statements about "no public comment" does not fully justify going ahead and taking certain actions. There were reasons there were no public comments and that is because the public wasn't invited or else there was only one little thing put in the paper, then later on finding out after action was taken.

SoPinesNo1 2 years, 10 months ago

It's beyond me why most of you think that Mr. Picerno and Mr. Caddell are moving forward on the detention center in Carthage in order to sell their software. Southern Software has hundreds, if not thousands of paying customers. The amount that they may receive from a new detention center in Carthage is miniscule when compared to the entirety of Southern Software's customer base. For those of you that think that Moore County's detention center will be a beta testing ground, I'm sure any of their clients would gladly "volunteer" to be in that role for free software. Get a life, and call your next case.

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

I see a lot of criticism of the County Commissioners about this software issue and jail they want to build in downtown Carthage.

Question: Doesn't the county have to put the software and the building of the jail and all other work with public money out for bid? Don't they need at least 3 bids so maybe Southern Software won't get the contract? Am I wrong on this?

Just my 2 cents I'm sure DR will have an answer for me...LOL

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

I also feel that if a commissioner is in any way connected to a firm wanting to do business with the county they should recluse themselves ...its the only decent and honorable thing. How about a building contractor who is a commissioner voting on spending 50 million dollars to build a new jail and his company does the building...would that not seem inappropriate? I think the problem is this doesn't look above board and thats what the people are objecting to and also the people didn't get a say in how their money is spent. I also believe the commissioners maybe didn't do a good job of explaining this whole situation and the people feel they are being ramrodded . Transparency is the key here and some people feel there is none in this situation .

Just my thoughts

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

How dare this man defend himself!

DrummerBoyItalia 2 years, 10 months ago

FaithInUSA >>>In your example, there is a law in place that would prevent that "builder" from getting the bid for that job. It would have to be 40 some thousand or less, otherwise it would be illegal and would not happen.

Generally tho, I have a couple questions for you..... Do you really think that the county should discontinue using Southern Software and find a new software vendor??? If your answer is yes, please continue.... DO you realize how much more money that would cost the county(US)? Do you realize that the county is saving millions of dollars because they are getting this software for FREE?!?!?! Im just trying to get this straight, tell me if im wrong but it seems that you think that we should stop using FREE software and go pay hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to a different software company just because one of the commissioners is an employee of the company that provides the county Jail and Sheriff Department's FREE software???? I bet you voted for Obama too didnt you???

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

As for Obama that was a secret vote behind a curtain.....but i do know as a county employee you can't recieve a gift or tip over 50.00 . And the county you say is excepting millions in gifts from Southern Software that looks even worse.

But you didn't answer MY question about 3 bids also if someone gave you millions of dollars for free wouldn't you naturally feel you owed them something?

DrummerBoyItalia 2 years, 10 months ago

How does the county accepting gifts look bad??? That makes no sense at all. Southern Software Offered there software to the county for free and after the agency's evaluation they accepted the offer because it was good software AND BECAUSE IT WOULD SAVE THE TAX PAYERS A TON OF MONEY by not having to buy it for hundreds of thousands some place else. So please explain how that looks bad in any way shape or form????

And you never asked me a question so I dont know what your talking about. But reading your post, you mentioned something about 3 bids.... Ok, so your saying you have proof of FACT that other companies were not taken into consideration? Even if they werent, the county jail and sheriff's dept still have the software they need for FREE!!!! But please tell me where your getting your facts from or is this all just hear say or what you "assume"???...

Oh and I would want to keep the fact of voting for Obama "behind the curtain" too, Its not something Id be too proud of :)

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

DrummerBoyItalia: Who are you to tell anyone that voting for Obama is not something to be proud of? That's pretty arrogant! Voting is a personal matter and who you, Plumblevel or anyone else votes for is their business. At least that's the America I know.

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

Drummerboy...why do you think the county wont allow its employees to accept gifts over 50.00. Think hard now. I think I answered that question in my last post.

The software issue is kind of like pay to play...you do this for me and I help you..lets just pay our money and keep it above board then there is no look of impropriety. By the way do you work for Southern Software? Was there any bids for other software for the Sheriff's dept?I know the county is supposed to take the lowest bid BUT free, common, that seems like an unfair practice. Im surprised no one has challenged it or taken it to court. It is one thing to bid lower then your competition another to give it away so there is no competition .

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

FaithinUSA

Drummerboy cannot answer your question about the software being bid out because it is simply donated, installed, and then never bid out. That is why it is donated. So, don't be writing any thank you notes.By donating it, they never have to compete against anyone else and it is in place for years to come.I think the total value of donated software I heard is 100k not millions like the drummerboy is reporting. In 2007 Caddell even installed Southern Software in the Sheriffs Department without contract and was then paid retroactive. Tim Lea complained about it.

I believe donated software is not the biggest issue here and Picerno should not be singled out. Afterall, Caddell owns 40% of the company. The real issue is is these two refuse to recuse themselves from voting on issues where they have conflict of interest. In July 2010 they had the chance to recuse themselves from voting on the County Budget which included Southern Software and in Caddells case, the SCC budget. Caddell sits on the Board of SCC.

Tim Lea wanted the budget presented and voted on item by item. He said the public had a right to know. Picerno said he wanted to vote on the budget in a "lump sum". Larry squirmed and offered to take part of the budget out where he had conflict of interest. Picerno resisted and the commissioners Caddell, Picerno, and Melton voted 3-2 to pass a "lump sum" budget. So, much for transparency and recusing yourself from voting on the software budget. The reason they refuse is that they would then have to recuse themselves from voting on the 40 million dollar Public Safety Building. They would not want to do that then you would have a 2-1 vote against it.

Recently a Yadkin County Commissioner, Kevin Austin, recused himself from voting on the location of a jail because the proposed site was across the street from his family business.The Yadkin County Commissioner did not even contract to his own county and he felt the need to recuse himself.And drummerboy, are you old enough to vote?

difflook 2 years, 10 months ago

Commissioner Picerno:

THANK YOU for talking the time to serve Moore County. I am sorry that you and your family have to endure insults and unnecessary demeaning talk. I have seen the enormous amount of time that you have put in while serving. I have heard you speak and watched you in action. I can judge for myself that you have Moore County and its citizens best interest in view. May God grant you and each of the Commissioners wisdom, guidance and patience while serving.

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

Plumblevel for a concise explanation to my question....

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

FaithinUSA Sorry only first paragraph was meant for you. New at blogging. Should have started another one after first paragraph.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

So, now someone says the "free software" is saving the county millions, and I have difficulty believing that. Anyone knows that the devlopment of software is not really the big issue but the ongoing subscription or contract fees for support is where the money is made. Reports are that SS is paid $24,002 per year for support. What has been done may be legal but it sure doesn't look fair (ethical.) Next, the DC bond was just quickly put through. Yes, the taxpayers/voters feel ramrodded and further outraged as statements that there were "no public comments" made up to this point. That's a poor excuse of defense when the public wasn't invited to comment or else certain meetings were closed or not advertised except for maybe once. I think we all know how things appear and now the fingers are being pointed back at "the people" as though we are the ones at fault.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

FathinUSa says..."Question: Doesn't the county have to put the software and the building of the jail and all other work with public money out for bid? Don't they need at least 3 bids so maybe Southern Software won't get the contract? Am I wrong on this?" .....Software Company "A" bids - $190,000 Software Company "B" bids - $180,000 Southern Software bids - Free Wouldn't the county have to accept the lowest bid? Can't be any lower than FREE!

GodSaves 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Bflat

Nicely stated. Be blessed:)

ncsnafu1 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Plumblevel: I'd suggest that you drop your reference to Yadkin Commissioner Austin recusing himself on the jail vote until you know the facts of the current lawsuit regarding the proposed new jail. Mr. Austin most likely took the action because it's his family company - The Austin Company, located across the street from the proposed new jail site, that is one of the plaintiffs in a current law suit regarding the site.

The new jail in Yadkin County, when and if it is ever built, is being built under court order. Residents in Moore County, regardless of what they might think about individual commissioners, should be thankful that the Moore County Commissioners did not allow our jail to reach the deplorable conditions that the Yadkin jail did before taking action.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

In the actual minutes if you would care to research plumblevel you would see that Tim Lea and Cindy Morgan and Colin McKenzie voted to accept the software. If there was something unethical then the issues should have been weighed then. The system that the county uses saves the tax payers money and is efficient so that law enforcement and public safety officials can help those who need it. Nick Picerno doesn't own any stock or equity in the company, he only recieves health benefits, if Southern Software was trying to profit off of anything it would make no difference to him because there would be no value credited to him. Remember the expensive software that a local Moore County Company which hires over 50 citiznes of Moore County gave to the county was just that a gift. No charge to the taxpayers. TODA, SCC student, and plumblevel's policy is as follows: 1. To slander and lie about a Moore County based company who employs Moore citizens and who gives back to their community. 2. To ignore actual minutes, and public record, and official documents on file at the Moore County courthouse and in Commissioner Picerno's statement, and use fantasy, lies, and distortions. 3. To pay more for software and cost the taxpayers more money, rather than use a system given at no expense to the county tax payers. Folks who read these blogs I think will see that the only unethical, and mean spirited people in this whole situation are the above individuals and anyone else who buys into their lies and deceit.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Anyone wonder why Southern Pines Police doesn't use any Southern Software? Perhaps with "freebies" comes a sense of political or personal payback. What would happen if our Senators and Congressman started receiving "gifts" from business interests?

The same old song: "they were elected to represent the interests of the people of Moore County"; and so was Obama, the US Senate, Congress. So how is that election thingy going for you folks? The same tax and spend here in Moore County...republican liberals of the third kind! But then they were liberal democrates before changing party affiliation to garner the Pinehurst Republican vote.

If what is happening here in Moore County happened in Washington, the electronic news media would have a field day. If Picerno and Caddell's involvement is above board ~ then why didn't they excuse themselves from any votes where their software or hardware would be a factor? Free is never free - it all depends on whose doing the math. SS is and has been using taxpayers money and the Sheriff's department to test their product. So in addition to the almost $40,000.00 they have received they also provided buggy software at our expense. The taxpayers are the losers in all of this....

It's a shame Piceno didn't mention that Pinehurst water was set in motion without funding or appoval of the taxpayers. And that they had to circumvent the voting process to cover their own butts since they went out on a limb in approving a debt deficit. They have a lot of explaining to do to the voters and taxpayers in Moore County.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Garrison ~ didn't know a written policy was in effect? Do you have a copy or are you parroting your father-in-law? He pulls your string and you talk...you should be trying to sell cars to help Ford and Tommy Phillips' business as opposed to staying on the computer.

And since when did you start speaking for me?

"Commissioner Picerno's statement, and use fantasy, lies, and distortions." Sounds like you are covering for Nicky...he hasn't addressed the over riding question: why isn't he, Caddell and Melton allowing voters to vote to spend their money? Because they have already committed money they don't have and if the people vote, they write checks that aren't covered!

right2vote 2 years, 10 months ago

although there are a few of you that make my blood boil, i will resist the temptation to correct your mindless statements and will stick to the subject at hand. there are 2 elephants in the room - location and price. there is a reasonable solution - let the people VOTE. as to the matter being discussed over and over, i believe machiavelli said it best ..."for the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances as though they were realities and are often more influenced by things that seem than those that are". there should have been recusals by commissioners picerno and caddell at the meeting in june and i believe then we might have been able to get to vote on this 50+ million dollar elephant....being placed on the other 1.5 million dollar elephant. "do the right thing"....let us vote.

OldSpook 2 years, 10 months ago

FathinUSa says..."Question: Doesn't the county have to put the software and the building of the jail and all other work with public money out for bid? Don't they need at least 3 bids so maybe Southern Software won't get the contract? Am I wrong on this?" .....Software Company "A" bids - $190,000 Software Company "B" bids - $180,000 Southern Software bids - Free Wouldn't the county have to accept the lowest bid? Can't be any lower than FREE! "

Actually no. If the county adhears to the same guidelines as the federal government, the county does not have to accept the lowest bid. According the FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulation) if this contract is held to the same federal standards this could be covered under section 3.501 Buying-in;

3.501-1 Definition. “Buying-in,” as used in this section, means submitting an offer below anticipated costs, expecting to—

(1) Increase the contract amount after award (e.g., through unnecessary or excessively priced change orders); or

(2) Receive follow-on contracts at artificially high prices to recover losses incurred on the buy-in contract.

This would be the first consideration for the Contracting Officer. The second consideration for the Contracting Officer are the "Value Added" items which could turn that high bid into an overall cost savings. There are many intangibles which over a 3-5 year period would allow the county to recoup their 180-190 thousand dollars.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda says..."Anyone wonder why Southern Pines Police doesn't use any Southern Software? Perhaps with "freebies" comes a sense of political or personal payback. What would happen if our Senators and Congressman started receiving "gifts" from business interests?" ....You said it yourself ~ "The same old song".
This has already been said in another one of your comment "sessions."

SoPinesNo1 2 years, 10 months ago

There is an alternative. Caddell and Picerno could agree with some of you, and decide that the County can no longer use Southern Software programs due to the inferred conflict of interest. The new Detention Center would be build anyway, and the County would incur the costs of switching to different, likely inferior, software. I expect that there would be a tax increase to cover the cost of this software change over. Southern Software would lose one customer. I doubt all its hundreds, possibly thousands, of other customers would have to pay higher premiums because of the loss of one. But in the long run, maybe all of you would be happy!

None 2 years, 10 months ago

SoPinesNo1 ~ "the costs of switching to different, likely inferior, software." Southern Pines seems perfectly happy with the software sold by a company in Greensboro. Inferior? Perhaps - superior: without strings attached.

clbvpm ~ did I say that on this blog? It seems one has to keep in step with Piceno and Caddell parrots - just pull the string (ie) "This has already been said in another one of your comment "sessions."

Sort of like your property holdings in Moore County: I - II - III - IV and V.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

right2vote ~ subliminally hovering below the consciencous of most voters and taxpayers is the looming $206,000,000.00 debt service. Not just the $102.5 million for the Gold Bar Hilton and the court facilites, nothing was mentioned about the 88.2 million plus 9.5 million for schools. Remember way back when the School Board published those full page ads asking for support of the School Bonds? There were two that wasn't paid off at the time; they keep millions on hand so if voters wise up, they have money to spend. Has anyone of those who support out of control - liberal - spending in a downed economy calculated the interest on $206,000,000.00 debt?

Please - would someone enlighten the voters and taxpayers how "we" will pay for all of this debt? The CBC has avoided that question like the one "why can't we vote on the bonds?" Perhaps voters aren't that intelligent to decide how our money is spent?

Could it possibly be the "Sledge Hammer Effect" next year which is an off year for elections? Property re-evaluation up to 30%.

In Dr. Senara's model there are alturnitives but none has been explored by CBC. Wonder why? Just another unanswered question....

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Right2Vote - "there should have been recusals by Commissioners Caddell and Picerno" I could not agree more. Your user name says it all "Right2Vote". If they had recused themselves, then we would have had a 2-1 vote against the 50 million dollar bond. Why did they defy the request to recuse themselves? Does their defiance tell you anything about their self interest?

Garrison - If Picerno wanted to avoid this controversy he could have done one of two things:

1.) Recuse himself from voting on Moore County issues that involve Southern Software

2.) Step down from the Board of Southern Software and sell the Southern Software building that he owns.

If either of these had been done we would have nothing to write about.

NCSNafu1 I quoted the Winston Salem Journal Wednesday July 14, 2010. "Yadkin County Jail...." My quote was to draw attention to the fact a County Commissioner felt compelled to recuse himself based on his business location. The real point was that in this article the Winston Salem Journal stated that the Yadkin County jail will cost 8.2 million for a 150 bed jail. The low bidder came in at 6.6 million.

jjslilred 2 years, 10 months ago

@ Toda - You seem to know quite a bit about MoCoGov and its nooks and crannies. When do you plan to run for commissioner, or do you prefer to hide behind the comfort of a screen name and whine about how things are run? And, what do you do for a living that allows you the luxury of sharing your wonderful opinion on a daily basis? Do they pay you extra for trolling the Pilot for articles about the County and SCC? Just curious...

GodSaves 2 years, 10 months ago

@jjslilred

You would truly be amazed on his knowledge of the "nooks and crannies." He has never hidden who he is. Anyone can tell you that. You might want to check past posts........ by doing so it will answer all of the questions you have asked.
Be blessed:)

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

Were Caddell & Picerno commissioners at time of the software gift? Free is one thing , and ongoing support costs is another & IT IS a cost to the taxpayers in that it has already been accepted and in budget (that was voted in one pop...check out the meeting minutes.) At the time of the vote of SS gift acceptance the issue of the DC size, location & costs were not known, were they? (Check out meeting minutes on that.) Facts are coming to the surface and the truth is unfolding. Truth will alway prevail no matter the defense of free software, support costs to taxpayers, and the bond recently voted to tune of $50 million is to include the huge DC in the heart of downtown Carthage. (Check out the meeting minute on that, too.) The taxpayers/voters are seeing the truth.

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

jjslilred: Toda never hides behind a screen name. Everybody on the boards knows his real name, his Moore County history, his jobs, education, and yes he is running for commissioner! Really! Would you like to sign the petition?

SoPinesNo1 2 years, 10 months ago

So, TODA, there may be comparable software that's as good as Southern Software's. But you didn't answer as to whether you think the County should discontinue its use, and go purchase new software at additional expense for the Detention Center? My post was intended not for the County to decide to discontinue its use, but for Southern Software to no longer provide it, thus the County would have to seek new software else where.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

^ There probably isn't an option for the SS or the county to discontinue because most likely there is a contract of some kind plus the commissioners voted to accept the "gift" and voted on the "support" ($24,002 ?) in the budget. Further, at the time of the gift, were Caddell and Picerno commissioners?

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

You know Tommy I know you want to sound smart or at least try. Well its not working by the way. Southern Pines pays more for their system in terms of their police software than the county does I would bet and they spent 10 million dollars on a police facility and did this without voter referendum. If you would listen and read for a minute instead of spouting and revealing the depth of ignorance that you dwell in you would see that the process of using limited obligation bonds which is only using the equity of the facility itself instead of the tax money or general fund balance the county has is used for often and is even considered SOP, oh thats standard operating procedure by the way Tommy. Sorry I know you struggle sometimes. Folks it clear to see the group, the angry, ill informed group, headed up by Expelled Carthage historical council member Bert Patrick and the lap dog Toda is on the run. Facts they don't need facts they have fear and innuendos and lies so the heck with facts. Documentation, they have none who needs it I mean we should blindly accept what they say right? I mean their lies and distortions are more believable than say actual minutes, documents and public record that Nick Picerno presented, right? Once again Tommy davis is a wannabe commissioner who is using anything he can to make for his hmmmmm shall we say for lack of a better word deficiencies. So keep screaming guys it just tickles me:)

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda: Moore County Policies and Benefits

Article 5. Conditions of employment

No elected official or employee of the county shall accept any gift whether in the form of service, loan, thing of promise of value from any person, firm, or corporation who, to the employee's knowledge, is interested directly or indirectly in any manner whatsoever in business dealings with the county.
No elected official or employee shall accept any gift, favor or thing of value that may tend to influence the employee in the discharge of duties.
No elected official or employee shall grant in the discharge of duties any improper favor, service or thing of value.

I thought this may clear the issue....

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

Plumblevel you never answer the questions. You continue to ignore the facts and actual documentation in Nick Picerno's statements. He is not afraid, no one is for that matter of you and your ignorant rants. So either show matching documentation that proves your claims like Nick Picerno did or just admit that your fantasy is just that a fantasy.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

The police facility in Southern Pines (with a different budget and outlay) is very small in comparison to a $50 million DC - sheriff dept expansion. No, the "group" aka taxpayers/voters are not ill informed, do have a right to ask questions, seek the facts, express opinions, and hold the commissioners accountable for certain actions that will affect "the people" for many years to come. Pointing the fingers at the taxpayers/voters and name calling is only trying to take the heat off of the issues at hand.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@JOE WHY SO HATEFUL?? Dont you live in Carthage with these people?? Please reread the Policy before you post again. We can all disagree without being A-holes to each other.. Remember,LOVE thy neighbor. You might need us oneday. And,if you dont live in C-city, hold your tongue.

difflook 2 years, 10 months ago

An Old song comes to mind....................Why can't we be friends! and i think some verse says..................If you don't love your brother who you have seen, How can you God who you have not seen...................................

None 2 years, 10 months ago

JoeGarrison AKA Nick Picerno’s Parrot.

"Southern Pines pays more for their system in terms of their police software" thought you sold cars for a living? So what insider information do you have to support the cost of Southern Pines Police Department software? AWAG??? From what I’ve learned no one would give Nicky or Larry the time of day much less a contract ~ did I mention Southern Software is in the city limits of Southern Pines? Something smells like at the stench coming from the Old Courthouse in Carthage.

Ignorant ~ now that is a good one coming from a teenager! That is a loosely used term by some posters who lack intellectual growth. Smart ~ we've never met before have we? Looking forward to it....

"that’s standard operating procedure by the way Tommy. Sorry I know you struggle sometimes." no that's lack of transparency trying to hoodwink taxpayers and voters.

Didn't daddy-in-law and Mullah Larry VOTE for total transparency....? And no I don't know anyone personally or met anyone who blogs on here, never met or spoken with Bert Patrick or anyone else who is an opponent to the Gold Bar Hilton and out of control liberal democratic spending at the county level. You're funny kid....make it up as you go along. I'm an adult and can take the idiocy you throw out. Try sticking to the issues sometime. I see that you are trying to set up a name calling exchange since the Carthage Mafia has opposition like never before! Try to stick to the issues that most of us are concerned with like exercising our right as Americans to vote on issues. O’ but isn’t that what isn’t happening in Washington right now? Get elected and spend away…it’s only tax payer money!

None 2 years, 10 months ago

"He is not afraid, no one is for that matter of you and your ignorant rants.

One can see that their political posture is waning having to resort to calling taxpayers and voters "ignorant".

Mark one up for the Secretary of the Moore County Grand Old Party! Way to go Joe...your immaturity is showing.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda once again you have no documentation and no proof of anything. Look If someone on this blog would show me the documents and show me the proof that there is indeed dirty or unethical politics going on I will be the first to condemn and demand resignations. I have yet to see such documentation the only documentation in terms of minutes, public record and actual statements and evidence has been the presentation of the minutes and so forth in Nick Picerno's presentation Monday night which Toda was absent for. I can only make judgments and statements that are guided by my belief and faith in Jesus Christ, and the facts. Anything outside of the facts is fantasy and is outright lies. Toda, Plumblevel, southernfried, SCC student and others have all repeated and authored several lies and slanderous statments without revealing one centilla of evidence to back up their claims. Just a question, if someone claims over and over and over and over again that something is true or evident when all the evidence point to the exact opposite then would it not be true to say that the individual making the claims are guilty of one or all of three things. 1. perpetuating and conjuring up a fantasy becuase of ignorance. 2. Perpetuating and conjuring up fantasy for reasons that are both sinister and wrong. 3. They are not capable of deciphering truth from fiction in which case they are unreliable and unable to make sound judgment.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Grand idea folks ~ just write on that tax bill Mr. Wayne Vest just sent to you that you are too ignorant to write a check! Send it back to him ~ without postage! Ignorant!

None 2 years, 10 months ago

"Nick Picerno's presentation Monday night which Toda was absent for."

First off one shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition!

Secondly be very careful about some of your comments: My wife was in the hospital with pneumonia and spectic infection for over a week and is confined to bed rest for two weeks. Be very careful. I really have no qualms about paying a fine for assault!!! Don't let you mouth overload your common sense! We will come face to face some time in the near future. I think Lane Carter will tell you that fear is not one of my weak points.

bs_master 2 years, 10 months ago

i dont care about software, or which commissioner said what or did what to whom. I do care about spending 50 million dollars of our tax dollars on a jail. is the jail we have now overcrowded? I may have missed something along the way, but who decided we needed a new one and why? as far as the deputies go, my office is in my vehicle when I work, isnt theirs? i said before, 3 acres and 20 army surplus tents makes a great jail!

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

Folks, go ahead and print off Mr P's statement. Then read the actual minutes and develop a chronology of events, and make your own determination as to why "no public comments" were made. It was lack of communication, lack of publication (in most cases), closed door sessions (such as the Grimm property purchase), and lack of information to the public about the DC site zoning change, proposed DC size, location & costs. Get all the facts for yourself and pay no attention to attacks on taxpayers/voters (fantasy, ignorance) or false claims that we are unable to dechiper the truth or make sound judgment. Once again the fingers are being pointed toward the taxpayers/voters in an attempt to take the heat off the issues and to place blame unfairly on the taxpayers/voters.

FaithinUSA 2 years, 10 months ago

JoeGarrison says...

Toda once again you have no documentation and no proof of anything. Look If someone on this blog would show me the documents and show me the proof that there is indeed dirty or unethical politics going on I will be the first to condemn and demand resignations. I have yet to see such documentation the only documentation in terms of minutes, public record and actual statements and evidence has been the presentation of the minutes and so forth in Nick Picerno's presentation Monday night which Toda was absent for. I can only make judgments and statements that are guided by my belief and faith in Jesus Christ, and the facts. Anything outside of the facts is fantasy and is outright lies. Toda, Plumblevel, southernfried, SCC student and others have all repeated and authored several lies and slanderous statments without revealing one centilla of evidence to back up their claims. Just a question, if someone claims over and over and over and over again that something is true or evident when all the evidence point to the exact opposite then would it not be true to say that the individual making the claims are guilty of one or all of three things. 1. perpetuating and conjuring up a fantasy becuase of ignorance. 2. Perpetuating and conjuring up fantasy for reasons that are both sinister and wrong. 3. They are not capable of deciphering truth from fiction in which case they are unreliable and unable to make sound judgment.

This reminds me of the Obama administrations claims that all our problems are because of the last 8 years with the Bush administration when in fact when u look at the evidence it is the Democratic Parties fault....I digress...

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Garrison

You have gone too far. Read the user policy.

You are the one who does not answer the question and I will repeat it one more time, "why did your father in law not recuse himself from voting on the Moore County Budget June 28, 2010 which included the budget for Southern Software". He is on the Southern Software Board of Trustees and an owner of the Southern Software building in Southern Pines. Doesn't he have a son that works there? Shouldn't he recuse himself? How many times have I asked you this question?

Bflat Caddell, Morgan, Lea, McKenzie, and Melton were commissioners at the time of the "gift giving".

"Pointing fingers at the taxpayers/voters and name calling is only trying to take the heat off of the issues at hand." Look at Garrisons above posts. Seems like he is knocking himself out in insults to take the heat off the issues. Bflat well said. Your timing could not have been better.

FaithintheUSA Thanks for posting Article 5. Seems clear to me.

bs_master There are an average of 110 inmates a month in the jail. So, why don't we build a jail for 220 and be done with it in this economy. On second thought, in this economy it should actually be tents.

Toda Iam sorry to hear about your wife. I hope she is recovering well. Forget Garrison he is young.... very young.

bs_master 2 years, 10 months ago

ok thanks plumblevel, of those 110 inmates per month I wonder how many are non-violent drug offenders. if we released them to house arrest wouldnt we save alot of money? it is a drug war that cannot be won no matter how many billions of dollars we throw at it. locking up non violent drug offenders is a waste of time and money. we could use maybe half the money it costs to keep them locked up and use it for therapy to get people off of drugs. curb the demand, through therapy, solve the drug problem somewhat!

CSmithson 2 years, 10 months ago

@joegarrison

Though I was against the location, thus the $1.2+ million extra cost of the new SP Police facility, I ask you please stop adding a million dollars to the cost of the facility every time you bring it up.

Also: -The SPPD evaluated various vendors and decided not to go with Southern Software. Some would argue we are "paying" for it to this day thanks to politics at the county level. Personally, I don't know. I do know the County seems VERY short sighted and extremely late to the game when it comes to public safety software and communications. Can anyone spell VIPER? I sure hope you don't live in a VIPER dead zone if first responders need backup at your home. Don't worry, the County will save a couple of bucks on tower infrastructure, but totally ignores the $10k or so extra per vehicle to ensure there is a repeater that allows the LE or fire personnel to communicate from your home from their personal radios.

-if SP is paying "more" for LE software than the County it is because the county did not have to pay for the license(s) because they got it "free." Was "free" software an option when SP was looking at their options?

Personally, I am staying out of this whole Southern Software thing because I don't smell that kind of rat. There are enough legitimately bad decisions the BOC makes that I don't feel it is necessary to toss up some tenuous COI accusations.

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

bs_master There is an interesting report on www.NPR.com by Neil Conan. If you search "Crime down" you will find it. A Harvard professor discusses exactly what you are saying. He says "you don't build cemeteries to cure cancer." His theory is that you do not build huge detention centers but invest the money into rehabilitation early on. Listen to it he gives a lot of interesting statistics. Before the jail aficionados jump on me, I do realize there is a need for jails for violent crimes.

bs_master 2 years, 10 months ago

of course violent offenders should be jailed, but when i was working in a prison, there were people pulling time for selling pot. every single one i talked too said they would do it again when they were released. the money was too good, for the amount of work they did to sell it. the money they earned was tax free(as long as they were not caught) and it was well worth the risk. one inmate told me if he was not selling it 3 other people would be in his place. who was harmed by what this inmate was incarcerated for? maybe it is time to legalize it and at least earn some tax dollars off it, jail is no place for these people.

OldSpook 2 years, 10 months ago

I believe it was a tax on beer that helped us considerably in getting us out of the last "Great Depression"* maybe it is time to legalize marijuana and tax it like cigarettes. Provided the money does not go into the entitlement programs. This might also give North Carolina a new cash crop to go with tobacco and put more people back to work creating the Joints and using the by-products.

*If the first Depression was so great why did we wait so long to have another? Cheers/Dave

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

"I believe it was a tax on beer that helped us considerably in getting us out of the last "Great Depression"* maybe it is time to legalize marijuana and tax it like cigarettes. "

I understand California is seriously considering this. Way past time, in my opinion.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

See Toda you can dish but you can't take it. Remember you were saying a few weeks ago that I wasn't there at a meeting, well I was visiting my wife's elderly grandmother who doesn't get out much. Toda I know you have an over inflated since of ego and self importance but let me tell you I'm not scared of you. Look you guys I have never laughed so hard in my life. Toda wants to be a commissioner and is threatening to punch my face in and you have you other minions going after me left and right and I just have to say that it slays me. You guys have no facts, no ideas, and no vision, so keep it comin. Again show me your documentation and your evidence of your claims and we can talk but until then all you guys is say is fanatical nonsense and is not to be taken seriously:) I think you guys need a hug cause ya'll sure do sound bitter:P

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

From Moore County website ~ the inmate count as of 8:56 AM, 7/23 is 127 ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT 1 AGGRESSIVE DRIVING 1 AID & ABET LARCENY 1 ALLOW UNLICENSED TO DRIVE 1 ALLOWING MINOR TO DRIVE 1 ALTERING SERIAL NUMBERS 1 ASSAULT BY POINTING A GUN 2 ASSAULT BY STRANGULATION 1 ASSAULT DEADLY WEAPON 1 ASSAULT GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL/EMPLOYEE 1 ASSAULT HANDICAPPED 1 ASSAULT INFLICT SERIOUS INJURY 1 ASSAULT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH FIREARM 1 ASSAULT OFFICER SERIOUS INJURY 1 ASSAULT ON A CHILD UNDER 12 1 ASSAULT ON A FEMALE 6 ASSAULT ON FEMALE 2 ASSAULT ON GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL 1 ASSAULT ON LAW OFFICER 1 ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON 3 ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON INTENT TO KILL 4 ASSAULT WITH DEADLY WEAPON SERIOUS INJURY 3 ASSLT W/DEADLY WEAPON W/INT KILL INFLICTING SERIOUS INJURY 11 ATT OBTAIN PROP FALSE PRET 2 ATTEMPTED FIRST DEGREE MURDER 4 ATTEMPTED ROBBERY-DANGEROUS WEAPON 4 AWDWIKISI 1 BREAK OR ENTER A MOTOR VEHICLE 2 BREAKING AND OR ENTERING 13 BREAKING ENTERING AND LARCENY 1 BURGLARY - FREE TEXT 1 BURNING PERSONAL PROPERTY 2 CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPON 2 CHILD SUPPORT 2 COMMON LAW ROBBERY 5 COMMUNICATING THREATS 6 CONSPIRE DELIVER MARIJUANA 1 CONSPIRE ROBBERY DANGEROUS WEAPON 1 CONSPIRE SELL DELIVER SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 3 CONSPIRE TO BREAK OR ENTER INTENT TO COMMIT FELONY LARCENY 1 CONSPIRE TO SELL COCAINE 1 CONSPIRE TO TRAFFIC IN COCAINE 2 CONSPIRE TRAFFIC METHAMPHETAMINE 1 CONSPIRE TRAFFIC OPIUM/HEROIN 2 CONTRIBUTING DEL OF JUVENILE 4 CRIME AGAINST NATURE 1 CRIMINAL CONTEMPT 2 DANGEROUS DRUGS - FREE TEXT 1 DELIVER COCAINE 5 DELIVER METHLENEDIOXYMETHAMPHETAMINE 1 DELIVER OXYCODONE 1 DELIVER SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 3 DELIVER SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 DISCHARGE WEAPON INTO OCCUPIED PROP SERIOUS BODILY INJURY 1 DISCHARGE WEAPON OCCUPIED PROP 4 DISORDERLY CONDUCT 1 DOMESTIC CRIMINAL TRESPASS 1 DRIVE LEFT OF CENTER 2 DRIVE WHILE LICENSE REVOKED VIOLATION LIMITED DRIVE PRIVILEGE 1 DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED 9 DRIVING WHILE LICENSE REVOKED 13 EXPIRED INSPECTION STICKER 1 FAIL TO COMPLY WITH PRETRIAL RELEASE 4 FAIL TO WEAR SEAT BELT DRIVER 1 FAILURE TO APPEAR ON FELONY 1 FAILURE TO APPEAR ON MISDEMEANOR 5 FELONY CHILD ABUSE-SERIOUS INJURY 1 FELONY CONSPIRACY 4 FELONY LARCENY 5 FELONY POSSESSION MARIJUANA 3 FELONY POSSESSION OF COCAINE 2 FELONY PROBATION VIOLATION 4 FICT/CNCL/REV REG CARD/TAG 1 FICTITIOUS / FALSE INFORMATION TO AN OFFICER 1 FINANCIAL CARD FRAUD 1 FIRST DEGREE BURGLARY 5 FIRST DEGREE KIDNAPING 5 FIRST DEGREE MURDER 1 FIRST DEGREE RAPE 2 FORGERY OF INSTRUMENT 1 FTA CHILD SUPPORT 1 to be continued......

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

..... continued - IDENTITY THEFT 4 II POS DISP ALT FICT REVD DR LIC 1 INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH CHILD 6 INJURY TO PERSONAL PROPERTY 7 INJURY TO REAL PROPERTY 1 INTERFERE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION 1 INTOXICATED AND DISRUPTIVE 3 IV-D NON-SUPPORT CHILD 1 KIDNAPING 1 LARCENY AFTER BREAK/ENTER 11 LARCENY OF A FIREARM 6 LARCENY OF MOTOR VEHICLE 1 MAINTAIN PLACE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 6 MALICIOUS CONDUCT BY PRISONER 1 MANUF/SELL/DELIVER/POSS W/INTENT CS W/N 1000FT OF SCHOOL 2 MANUFACTURE MARIJUANA 3 MANUFACTURE SCHEDULE VI CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 MISDEMEANOR CHILD ABUSE 4 MISDEMEANOR LARCENY 14 MOTORCYCLE MOPED HELMET PSGR 1 MURDER 14 NO OPERATERS LICENSE 1 OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE 1 OBTAIN PROPERTY FALSE PRETENSE 1 OPERATE VEH. NO INSURANCE 1 POSS MANUFACT SELL DELIVER METHYLENEDIOXYMETHAMPHETAMINE 1 POSS W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 5 POSS W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 2 POSS W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL SCHEDULE IV CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 POSS W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL SCHEDULE VI CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 POSS WITH INTENT TO SELL DEL OXYCODONE 1 POSSES STOLEN FIREARM 3 POSSESS CONSUME BEER WINE PUBLIC STREET 1 POSSESS CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE PRISON/JAIL PREMISSES 1 POSSESS DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 15 POSSESS HANDGUN BY MINOR 1 POSSESS MARIJUANA GREATER THAN 1/2 OZ TO 1 1/2 OZ 1 POSSESS MARIJUANA UP TO 1/2 OZ 5 POSSESS METHAMPHETAMINE 2 POSSESS SCHEDULE I CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 POSSESS SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 POSSESS STOLEN FIREARM 2 POSSESS STOLEN MOTOR VEHICLE 1 to be continued.......

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

.... continued... POSSESS WEAPON MASS DESTRUCT 1 POSSESS WITH INTENT TO MANUFACTURE/SELL/DELIVER COCAINE 1 POSSESS WITH INTENT TO MANUFACTURE/SELL/DELIVER MARIJUANA 1 POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL/DELIVER COCAINE 7 POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL/DELIVER MARIJUANA 4 POSSESSION OF BURGLARY TOOLS 2 POSSESSION OF FIREARM BY FELON 10 POSSESSION OF STOLEN GOODS 16 POSSESSION OF STOLEN GOODS/PROPERTY 6 POSSESSION WITH INTENT TO DELIVER COCAINE 1 PROBATION VIOLATION 19 PWISD MARIJUANA 1 PWISD SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 PWISD SCHEDULE II CS 1 RAPE OF A CHILD 1 RESIST OBSTRUCT PUBLIC OFFICER 3 RESISTING PUBLIC OFFICER 6 ROBBERY WITH DANGEROUS WEAPON 18 SAFE CRACKING 1 SECOND DEGREE BURGLARY 3 SECOND DEGREE KIDNAPING 7 SECOND DEGREE RAPE 1 SECOND DEGREE TRESPASS 2 SELL COCAINE 5 SELL DELIVER COCAINE 3 SELL METHLENEDIOXYMETHAMPHETAMINE 1 SELL OXYCODONE 1 SELL SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 4 SELL SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 3 SELL/DELIVER SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 SEXUAL BATTERY 4 SEXUAL OFFENSE WITH A CHILD 1 SHOPLIFTING CONCEALMENT GOODS 1 SHOW CAUSE 1 SIMPLE ASSAULT 3 SIMPLE POSSESS SCHEDULE VI CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 SIMPLE POSSESSION SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 2 SIMPLE POSSESSION SCHEDULE IV CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 1 SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK 1 SOLICT CHILD BY COMPUTER 1 SPEEDING 1 STAT RAPE/SEX OFFENSE DEF. 6 YRS OF AGE OR OLDER 3 TRAFFICKING IN COCAINE 5 TRAFFICKING IN METHAMPHETAMINE 2 TRAFFICKING IN OPIUM BY DELIVERY 1 TRAFFICKING IN OPIUM BY POSSESSION 3 TRAFFICKING IN OPIUM BY SELL 1 TRAFFICKING IN OPIUM OR HEROIN 4 TRAFFICKING OPIUM BY SELL 2 UNSAFE PASSING YELLOW LINE 1 USE FOREIGN LICENSE WHILE DWLR 1 UTTERING FORGED ENDORSEMENT 1

Some have multiple charges ~ 127 inmates and 176 charges

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

Once again I am begging any one of you wizards of smart please tell me or show me and the rest of our county the evidence or facts or documentation of any of the accusations that any of you have made. I think it is interesting, that none of you wizards of smart have answered or refuted or probably even read nick Picerno's remarks and have done your own research into the minutes and official documents that are available on line or at the courthouse. Look there is such a thing as civil debate, I have watched and have been patient and have bitten a hole in my tongue as I watched a innocent company and its employess attacked, as commissioners were slandered and lied about, as lies and misstatements constantly sprang forth from their plentiful and ever flowing sources. Well no more. You poor folks who suffer of diarrhea of the mouth have not answered one question, produced one shred of evidence, and proved one accusation that you have made. Bert Patrick was kicked off a board for spreading misinformation, TODA is a former peace officer who threatens moore county citizens with bodily harm, and the rest of you continue to lie. It is better to be thought a fool, then open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@joegarrison Just because a lie is in print doesnt make it true. Just because you see it on TV doesnt make it true. Do you need a Document to tell you Dog S*#t stinks?? We can use common sense to tell when things dont seem right. Please be the Christian you claim to be, and treat people with the respect we all deserve,and read Romans12 before you post again.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@JOE Your last line,,,,,YOU should pay attention..

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Joe

Again, why don't you answer the question: Why did your father in law Nick Picerno not recuse himself from voting on the budget June 28, 2010 which included Southern Software if he is on the Board of Southern Software, owns the building, and his son works there? Why did he refuse to recuse himself when he was requested to do so?

OldSpook 2 years, 10 months ago

Okay Joe, maybe nothing illegal took place. And maybe Mr. Picerno did not partake of any inappropriate dealings. And maybe Mr. Clinton did not have sex with that woman. And maybe Mr. Nixon was not a crook. And maybe Mr. Bush had evidence of weapons of mass destruction. As any politician should know the public’s perception of their activities’ is in fact the public’s reality. What action is Mr. Picerno doing to take in order to change this public perception? At risk of stating the obvious, angry comments in this forum are only exasperating the problem for both sides.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@plumblevel They think to highly of themselves. Just the appearence of conflict should have been enough. We would all think alot more of him if he would have.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

plumblevel Nick Picerno receives no benefit from Southern Software other than his healthcare and does not own any stock in the company it would not be beneficial to him anyways and again Tim Lea and Cindy Morgan voted to accept the software if there was any unethical behaviour. Plumblevel you talk of ethics and saving the tax payers money and so forth well let me ask you a question I have answered yours so you can answer mine well you can try. If Southern Software pulls the system, just takes it away and through that makes the county have to buy not receive buy the software at a much higher price than how is that beneficial to you or any tax payer? Again I know you won't answer the question just like the rest of your friends won't answer any of the points, facts, minutes, or documents that are on line, at the courthouse, or presented by Nick Picerno so my expectations for you are low. Arestorer, look your answer or no wrong word uhmmmm ..... babbling or ill contrived scatter brained well you get the picture, well yeah I think that covers it thanks for the laughs;)

AbdominalDohMan 2 years, 10 months ago

Did TODA threaten someone on a public forum with assault? Not very wise for someone who calls others "ignorant". That is a clear violation of the posting rules and may be a violation of the law.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@JOE

What?????? And you still just want to belittle people. Hope your folks are proud of you..

Me and Jesus love you any way..

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

So Arestorer let me tell you something Jesus didn't lie or spread vitriole about people, so if you are going to mention His name I would suggest not tangling it with this lot. I have not belittled anyone. I have been threatened, I have been casitgated and so forth simply for asking for proof and documentation of the horrendous claims that have been made by Bert Patrick, Tommy Davis and other small pond bloggers. I have in a satirical way have portrayed you and others in a light of bufoonishness because it is funny when people refuse to answer questions or to refute statements and documents with the same sort of documents and statements and instead partake in character assasination, lies, and deceipt. Invoke Jesus name all you want but be sure of the purity of your own thoughts and posts as well as your compatriots before you do:)

SoPinesNo1 2 years, 10 months ago

Please, let's keep everything above board. Just like me!

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@joe

Ive said nothing about anyone lying. Ive never threatened you. Ive made no claims to know what goes on at meetings. i dont appreciate being lumped in with the other bloggers. I was just trying to let you know that you could be nice to your fellow man when you debate the issues. Im sorry you think you have been threatened on this site. Maybe its because your not showing people respect, and they want to show you the way people use to be taught to respect there elders.

Maybe only Jesus loves you.........

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@JOE

I know most all the people involved in the story and this blog. We dont deserve to be talked to this way.( i.e.)personal attacks,abusive and defamatory remarks.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

So let me get this straight you agree with the lies and distortions that are being made by Grandpubba Tommy Davis, Bert patrick and so forth but you are not one of them and you know them but you aren't one of them. Well gee thanks for clearing that up I mean Gosh thats so clear. Look quit being a hypocrite all I have done in a satirical humorous way is ask for you guys to give any evidence or documentation or anything that will refute what is in the public record or presentation, disclosures and minutes available to you online at the county website or in Nick Picerno's remarks and statement which is based on the afore mentioned documentation, and you guys have come unhinged. I wish my mother and father read these things, they would see their little boy being threatened by a wannabe commissioner who threatened to do me bodily harm, glad he's not a peace officer any more;) and being called names and berated by people like SCC Student and Plumbstu...I mean level and so forth. Look if you have anything like I have asked for then I will look it over and will apologize for my false statments and will be the first to condemn the corruption but you guys have shown up till now the following ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Nothing:) I will continue to ask and seek the truth. You and people of your ilk are not interested in truth, you are only interested in destroying people names and smearing good Moore County based businesses and employees. Remeber friend the Biblical proverb, " A Wicked man fleeth when no man pursueth." All I have done is asked for proof and well it sounds like some are fleeing the scene.

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Joe This is getting old. Picerno chose to pull "facts" from what suited him and you do not present the whole truth. Read the June 28, 2010 Moore County Commissioner notes in its entirety.

Nick Picerno is on the Board Of Trustees, founder of the company, owner of the SS building, and his son works there. And you want to tell me he can cast an objective vote? Bias does not have to do with whether one gets a paycheck or not. The truth is he is fighting these accusations so he does not have to recuse himself from voting on an issue that will be of huge financial interest to Southern Software, the company he founded. He is an elected official who is taking action to benefit himself and the company. What part of "Conflict of Interest" don't you understand?

No one has slammed the company Southern Software or its employees as you claim.As matter of fact, Caddell and Picerno have done the company a great disservice by not recusing themselves from voting on SS issues and have brought a lot of unnecessary attention to the company. I would think since it is an employee owned company the other 60% are not happy about this story being in the news.

Regarding pulling Southern Software. That will never happen as long as the "Power of Three" are in control.There is a huge advantage for SS to use the new proposed 110,000 sq ft Public Safety building as a beta testing site. All we will get is "buggy software" to test out of it. Southern Pines has chosen to pay a little more and buy "debugged" software.So, your "buggy" gift is questionable.

Joe, as a future politician, you should learn that the voting public does not like to get robbed of their voice. They do not like wasteful spending especially in this economy. They do not like a finger pointed at them as you wag yours when they are the ones who have elected you.

In hindsight, I find Picerno has made a huge mistake in trying to defend an indefensible position. He has cast the limelight on himself and allowed Caddell, a 40% owner of SS, to hide in the shadows. Melton,the lap dog, has gotten off nearly scott free. Coble said, "the time to go along to get along is over."(July 14, 2010) No where is that more evident than here especially in Meltons case. So, Joe, all you have done is brought the spotlight more on your father in law. Was this the brightest political move?

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Joe, I was not Patricks campaign manager. I do think for myself not like you. By the way, Patrick only blogged once way back about the Jessica Lumsford Act. She has called no one names. It is you who have done all the name calling and you even called me a liar. I have never lied a day in my life. By the way, you really make people want to go to Tommy Phillips Ford and buy a car!

Go home to the house your father in law bought for you and sleep this one off. I am done with you.

Arestorer 2 years, 10 months ago

@JOE I never said I agreed or disagreed with them. I said I knew them and that doesnt make me one of them,unless you mean someone from this area. Im NOT debating you on the topic at hand. Just trying to get you to play nice. No one knows a mans mind. We only know what he says. I dont know if there was any thing wrong done, but we all have the right to our oppinions and to ask guestions. Your not the only one on here that berates others, you were the one that bothered me,when you group people together and call them names. Do not accuse someone you dont know of trying to destroy anyones name or of being a Hypocrite. DONT lump people together, you might be wrong. P.S. I still love you.

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

So plumblevel you have never lied about anything even when you were little?

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

arestorer so let me get this straight. You know some of these people and vouch for their character but won't condemn the way plumblevel, Toda and others have assasinated people's character and so forth. Look I have been polite, and I have played nice and look what it has gotten. I have a former peace officer threatening to punch me in the face, I have people threatening to boycott where I work, and I have been called names and so forth. So do me a favor I appreciate the concern but if you want to do something tell the people who are trying to ruin names, reputations, businesses to stop. And I don't know why you love me but thanks and maybe you will give me some hint who you are?

JoeGarrison 2 years, 10 months ago

I have said and defended what I believe is right. If I have hurt people then I apologize. I am angry and I am frustrated. You know when I was growing up I was raised to believe that the truth and facts were all that matter and that anything outside of the truth is a lie. I have reviewed minutes, attended hearings and meetings, read and listened to all the positions and I believe the following 1. That the jail is necessary. 2. That the location is the best we can do. 3. That there is no proof or evidence of corruption or unethical behaviour in regards to Southern Software and any, ANY of the commissioners. @Toda I hope and pray that your wife gets better. Tommy I have never attacked you or threatened you if any of my posts did anything other than defend my position the fault is mine. I corrected a statement about your service in law enforcement which I made in error not in malice and you accepted that. I hope you can extend the same intellectual honesty and courtesy to me. Passion, anger, and frustration are natural components of debate, threats, name calling and any other form of meanness is wrong and should be abhorred. It is no secret that I am Nick Picerno's son in law and I am not ashamed of this fact. I love him like he was my own father. He has shown me kindness and has always been fair and decent to me, he is a great testimony to me and many others whether through his church, or his wonderful family, I believe that Nick is a good and decent person. Lane Carter, Neil Godfrey, Larry Caddell, Jimmy melton, Southern Software and its fine employees are all good and decent people and who's character I vouch for and admire. If there is any proof of any wrong doing or one centilla of evidence that proves any of these claims then I beg someone to produce them. Plumblevel, SCC student, atstorer, any one else who I have debated and fought with, I know that we are all good citizens and we want what is best. We see differently and that is good and normal, Please if you have any evidence like I stated before then please share it. If not then lets stop yelling. Lets stop trying to outwit and belittle each other and try to debate the issues if there any peacablt with facts and truth. I do not back down from my passion for this issue of the jail, support for the people aforementioned or the support of our law enforcement and public safety personnel. I only want to say that truth does not need to name call or belittle to make a point, or yell or scream. You can namecall and lie all you wish about the law of gravity but it will always without saying a word be right because it is reality. Thats it carry on:)

None 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't recall threatening anyone...I just made a promise, nor did I say anything about punching anyone in the face. I challange anyone to copy and paste a time and date where I called anyone ingnorant.

Only those with limited vocabulary call others ingnorant. i.e.: "July 22, 2010 at 4:08 p.m."

Anyone else on this blog looking forward to running for office in the future when they are of legal age?

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda I am glad Nick finally stood up for himself and I am not one of his family members or one of his employees. I am just a working tax payer of this county. I read most of your post and for people that follow politics any at all have seen this kind of mess before. In your blogs you write a bunch of junk and you use certain stastistics that you found on some web site to make it look good knowing that most people don't read all of the blog they just pick out what looks good to them. That tactic works for some people but not the majority. I want to see one of your write in petitions because I want to sign it. I want to see your name on the ballot so when you lose the election by a land slide you will know that most voters are smart enough not to fall for them old tactics. I have said it numerous times if there was any wrong doing on the part of the commisioners it would have come out long before this jail issue. Toda you said you didn't mind paying a fine for assault, so whether you said punch him or not you indicated that he would be assaulted. That is a threat. Joe you are wasting your time on here they cannot prove anything was done wrong and if there was anything illegal it would have alreay come out.

clodfelter37 2 years, 10 months ago

Silentbob you are one of the few on this blog that know what you are talking about. Hallelujah for you.

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

silentbob

How about the word "unethical"? I like Todas writing. The only junk being thrown out was by Garrison and then at 5:58 Picerno had to write apologies for him because he had gone too far. You can always tell when it is the old man himself because the tone changes and he numbers his points.Do you honestly think that Garrison found humility at the end of the day and wrote it himself?

I cannot wait to see a debate. So far I have never seen Melton speak a whole sentence at the MCC meetings. He just nods in agreement to insure the Power of Three. Tommy Davis seems to write eloquently.I also do not think he said he would assault Garrison but just stood up to the 22 year old who needed to be put in his place. The 22 year old really needed to be put in his place.It seems everyone is nervous about "Toda" running.Could break the Power of Three!!!!!!!

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Plumblevel has asserted for some time Nicholus J. Picerno still owns the building located at 150 Perry Drive, Southern Pines. He and Andrew Fish former insurance representative until a drug incident disrupted his business and marriage, are still listed as owners of the property. Here's your link:

http://rod.moorecountync.gov/RealEstate/SearchDetail.aspx

My second contention that Nick and Larry share a commonality in Southern Software is found in document filings with the North Carolina Secretary of States Office: The registered document shows that on March 3, 2009 just a little over a year ago, Nick J. Picerno was shown as President ~ it was lined through and Larry Caddell was hand written in as President.

Question? was Nick Picerno a county commissioner on March 3, 2009?

http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Filings.aspx?PItemId=5028981

According to the recorded documents John Rosco is listed as CFO/Treasure

Jennifer Meggs is listed as President the same as Larry Caddell.

Ethical standards should carry the same integrity that are applied in Washington for gifts to elected officials holding office like free software.

For those who have enough computer knowledge to use their browsers, here is a link that mirrors what is happening right here in Moore County, with the only exception ~ it's Washington!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ethics_in_Congress

I have provided a link on Ethics that involved Duke University and how those issues correlate with North Carolina Ethical Standards.

http://news.duke.edu/reports/nc_ethics.pdf

One section (just an excerpt) is of interest pertaining to Larry Caddell's position on the Sandhills Community College Board of Trustees:

Which state officials are “covered” by the “gift” provisions? There are three general categories of “covered” officials:
“Legislators” and “legislative employees”;
“Public servants,” such as members of the Council of State, the Governor’s Cabinet, voting members of state boards and certain other state employees (including certain UNC and state community college board members and administrators); and
“Judicial officers,” such as state justices and judges, district attorneys and clerks of court. The state’s list of “covered” positions and boards may be found online here: http://www.ethicscommission.nc.gov/genCatListPersons.htm http://www.ethicscommission.nc.gov/cboards.htm The state’s list of “covered” individuals currently serving in/on the above positions/boards may be found online here: http://www.ethicscommission.nc.gov/specificNamesPositions.htm

Ethical standards are perceived differently by those who provide "gifts" to public officials and those who are elected officials who receive those gifts.

SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

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SCCstudent 2 years, 10 months ago

plumblevel => "I cannot wait to see a debate. So far I have never seen Melton speak a whole sentence at the MCC meetings." BLOCK VOTING by the Power of Three doesn't require one to think or articulate. Just nod and raise their hand. Did someone mention Jimmie Melton? Joey "the Kid" Garrison wants to be a politician someday like his daddy-in-law. Opp's starting off on the wrong foot...fact!

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

SCC "Block voting" Good One. The "Block voting" robbed me of my chance to vote on an issue that is very important to me. I know with Melton he does not believe I am a person with a voice. So, I will vote for anyone that gives me my voice back. I will jump party lines even to get my voice back and my right to vote on such imprtant issues as "50 million dollar limited obligation bonds". So, I will pay attention to the candidates for November and look forward to a debate. No more "Block Voting" or lap dogs.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

I was brought up to respect others and not to accuse people of things like "outright lies," not to resort to name calling. I have read the published statement and do see that there has been serious lack of communication, publication and disregard to the taxpayers, citizens and voters of the county. This is why there have not been comments by the public at commissioners meetings until more recently. There was a lot of outrage about the amount paid for the Grimm property when it was finally disclosed. There was only one notice that I've been able to find regarding the zoning change to allow for "expanding the sheriff dept and jail a little." At the time of the last election, very little was known about the size of the DC and the location. And, only recently have the taxpayers and voters been shown that costs of the DC, Sheriff Dept & Emergency communications complex is going to be $50 million, all put through quickly by 3 Commissioners. Those are the facts that are documented. Following this, it certainly looks like a lot of debt in a down economy, of which the total effects haven't yet been realized (more foreclosures, company shutdowns, unemployment and other things.) At this point, one commissioner is now pointing fingers back at the taxpayers, voters and citizens who are questionning certain actions that were taken. Take note that the citizens, taxpayers, voters are very concerned with the amount of debt, the series of events that have led up to this, and the ongoing votes of 3 that have ramrodded through the 600 or more potential beds DC to be built in the Historic Town of Carthage. I have the right to ask questions, seek out the facts, and to voice my opinion based on that. At the same time, the apparent disrespect shown to the taxpayers, citizens, and voters plus what has erupted here in the comments section attempting to "group" certain people into some category...well, it's wrong and it isn't appreciated and it's very disturbing.

silentbob 2 years, 10 months ago

Plumblevel this is his statement.

I really have no qualms about paying a fine for assault!!! Don't let you mouth overload your common sense! We will come face to face some time in the near future. Is he going to assault Joe or is he going to pay for someone else to do it. Like it or not that is what he said. I can also assure you that no one is getting scared of the possibilty of an election that may or may not even happen. It also starts again with a couple of pages of nothing but internet sites for people to look up. I am a voter and a tax payer in this county talk to me about the issues without giving me a web site. There want be a debate it will never get that far. I have no problem with Toda I just have a difference of opinion and I think they are some real issues that never seem to get discussed. In one conversation the same people that are talking junk about criminals being let out of jail are opposing the new detention center. It can't be both ways. I am one voter that wishes they had put the detention center up for public vote (I think it would have passed) but they chose not to so it is a done deal. I don't think your issue is with the detention center being built I just think you are mad because it is being built close to your house. If it was close to mine you wouldn't say a word. Toda is a top notch blogger but we will see what kind of politician he is. It has been said before if you really think there is some illegal or unethical actions on the part of these commisioners then you should file a complaint with the SBI or the state elections board but I would bet you that has been done already and they found no wrong doing.

MooreNorth 2 years, 10 months ago

What we have here is failure to comprehend. We also have thin skinned people what live in glass houses, and, apparently, suffer short term memory loss. Please keep posting, it's been a good laugh. Watch out for the "Black Helicopters", and don't forget to put foil around your head so they can't probe your brain while you're sleeping.

ncsnafu1 2 years, 10 months ago

@Toda: This is to refresh your memory wrt your last posting on 7/23 at 6:03 PM in which you stated that you didn't remember threating anyone. On 7/22 at 5:05 PM you posted a message which in part, states the following: "Be very careful. I really have no qualms about paying a fine for assault!!! It's this comment from you that many feel is a direct threat against Mr. Garrison.

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

ncsnafu1: Toda is too smart for you and Garrison. He said he'd pay a fine for assault, he didn't say he'd assault anyone. Very clever in my book. It's hard to keep up with him, isn't it?

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

silentbob

I disagree that this 50 million dollar limited obligation bond would pass in this economy if there had been a voters referendum in November. I think the people of Moore County are way smarter than that and would not have wished upon themselves a "revenue" bond that was not proven on paper.The MC Commissioners have never explained how it can pay for itself. All Picerno said was if it fails there will be "court ordered taxes". In my opinion, this never would have passed with the voters of Moore County with its already existing 104 million dollar debt and in this current economy.

Regarding Garrison and Toda's comment. I was ready to strangle Garrison myself. It is hard being called a liar when you have not lied and being insulted in a group with people you do not know. It seems the Pilot did not take it as a legal threat or they would have removed it. Don't make anymore of it than what it is.Go back and read yesterdays blogs with Garrison.He is not doing his father in law any favors with voters.

What we have is a "political situation" and a question of ethics. So, if it is a matter of public opinion I say let us take it to the polls in November. We have a chance to break the Power of Three so no more 50 million dollar debts are ramrodded down out throats. I do not have to tell you how I feel about it. I have posted my thoughts on here many times.

By the way, I like added links by bloggers. You can learn alot. Garrison screamed at everyone they did not present facts. Facts were constantly produced and backed up with links. He just ignored it. Links are used to support your argument. What is wrong with that?

And yes, silentbob,my complaining started over my house but it will now follow me to wherever I move to in Moore County with another tax reevaluation and higher property taxes.

ncsnafu1 2 years, 10 months ago

@GoldenDreams: I very, very seriously doubt that "Toda" is smarter than either Mr. Garrison or let alone myself as you suggest. That however, is not the point of this message. I agree with your analysis wrt "Toda" not directly stating he would commit the assult but rather pay the fine for the assult. Unfortunately, in doing so it certainly seems that should Mr. Garrison be assulted that "Toda" at a minimum, it would be argued, was guilty of a conspiracy to commit the assult he agreed to pay for.

I think this is a good lesson for everyone that takes the time to post comments on the Pilot. None of us should need to resort to abusive, defamatory and or personal attacks to make a point.

GoldenDreams 2 years, 10 months ago

ncsnafu1: you make some good points about not using personal attacks on the boards. I agree with you. Let me say, though, that supporting Mr. Garrison does not further your case. Here are some examples: Look at the July 23rd post 2:23 by Joe Garrison. He calls Toda "Grandpubba" and "hypocrite." On July 22 at 5:22 Garrison says Toda is "not capable of deciphering truth from fiction" and is "unreliable and unable to make sound judgment." Wow! That sounds pretty abusive to me. On July 22 at 3:49 he calls Tommy "lap dog Toda." Maybe you need to have a word with Joe. It sounds like you know him. He is pretty young and you wouldn't want his youth and inexperience to get in his way, correct?

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

plumblevel says... Joe, " It is you who have done all the name calling"

I beg to differ, plumblevel......

7/23 plumblevel says ~ "Melton,the lap dog, has gotten off nearly scott free. " 7/22 Toda says ~ "JoeGarrison AKA Nick Picerno’s Parrot" 7/22 Toda says ~ 'Didn't daddy-in-law and Mullah Larry VOTE for total transparency....?"

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

clbvpm

Why are you addressing your blog to me and quoting Toda? I did not say anything about a parrot or Mullah Larry those were quotes from Toda.

I did refer to Melton as a "lap dog". He has voted 100% of the time with Caddell and Picerno thereby empowering them. His vote has made this 50 million dollar limited obligation bond possible without a public referendum. I attended many Moore County Commissioner meetings in the last two years and never have I heard him utter one word other than to vote along with Caddell and Picerno. Thus, "lap dog" seems appropriate. You did not see Garrison call me a liar, McGraw call me a liar, time and time again? Liar is far more offensive than lap dog especially when you have a 100% voting record agreeing on every issue. Lighten up.

You have presented criminal statistics so let me ask you this. Why is Howard Coble against huge prisons? Why did he pass the "Second Chance" legislation in 2007. I spoke with someone in his office in D.C.. He said Coble is against huge detention centers and believes there are other ways to go about it. Do you think there are ways? I am not being snide. Just wish you would comment.

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

So Toda complains about name calling and engages in it himself.

Toda complained that I'm threatening violence against his little lapdog, SCC--and then engages in thinly veiled threats himself.

Toda sneered that I was always here posting and yet here he is day after day, hour after hour with his fake "campaign" for commissioner.

Looks like nothing's changed since I was here last.

Beam me up, Scotty, no intelligent life here.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

To plumblevel ~ I don't know about Howard Coble's opinion, but next time I see him, I will certainly ask. I do agree there are other ways, BUT, there are also laws to be followed. When someone breaks these laws, there are other laws that dictates what is to follow. Detention centers are then needed. BTW, detention centers are for pre-trial detainees. They are not prisons. Your reference to Howard Coble speaks of prisons.

Bflat 2 years, 10 months ago

The intent of "no intelligent life here" was just an example of how the subject has gotten off track, I hope. As to intelligent life, will all please get back on the subject of Picerno's statements? And next, it has evolved into the apparent S-I-L of Picerno repeatedly requesting(demanding) documentation along with rants about certain individuals (fantasy, lies, distortion, name calling). Creating dissent and suppositions to get people off the subject at hand & turning it back around on "the people" (i.e. accusations of "lies and distortions," fantasy, ignorance, can't decipher the truth, small pond bloggers) has made matters much worse and shows there is no respect toward the taxpayers and voters. It seems to me that when the truth and documentation has been presented, the demands for it didn't stop. Do not let rants like that take the heat off the important issues at hand that will affect taxpayers, property values and Moore County as well as the Town of Carthage for many years to come.

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

B flat

The heat should not be taken off these issues at hand. Picerno, Melton, and Caddell cannot even answer a simple question. How are they going to pay for the 50 million dollar bond? It is a revenue bond and they will not explain how it is going to pay for itself. It is like saying to the taxpayer we are going to borrow 50m and we want you to sign for it. However, we will not tell you how we are going to pay it off!!!!

clbvpm Sorry to refer to Coble's Second Chance legislation again. On his website he tries to address the overcrowding of prisons and the increasing rate of recidivism. It states that each year 650,000 people are released from state prisons and 9 million from jails. 52% are expected to return. 2/3 of state released offenders return to prison within 3 years of release.Average cost to house a Federal Inmate is 25,000 a year. The average cost in 2000 on the state level was $21,170. I guess what I am getting at is these figures give me an idea of how a "criminal business" runs.

I really believe Caddell and Picerno are planning a prison since they designed cells 82 sq ft Fed regulation size. Look at these statistics like $25,000 a year for a Federal prisoner. Don't you think they have bigger plans than a 192 beds for a Detention Center. What they are saying and what they are building are two different things.I believe this is the reason why they will not answer the question, "how will it pay for itself?" Only by opening their doors for state and federal inmates can they get enough revenue to make it pay for itself.If it does not pay for itself it will be "court ordered taxes".

MooreNorth 2 years, 10 months ago

Have any of the people posting here called Nick Picerno, to talk about the new jail.

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

MooreNorth ~ "Have any of the people posting here called Nick Picerno, to talk about the new jail." ....Yes, as well as Lea, Morgan, Caddell, Melton, Godfrey, numerous law enforcement and emergency agencies (concerning the software they currently use.)

clbvpm 2 years, 10 months ago

MooreNorth ~ "Have any of the people posting here called Nick Picerno, to talk about the new jail." ....Yes, as well as Lea, Morgan, Caddell, Melton, Godfrey, numerous law enforcement and emergency agencies (concerning the software they currently use.)

MooreNorth 2 years, 10 months ago

Anyone else?

None 2 years, 10 months ago

clbvpm ~ since The Power of Three and their "block voting" solidified no recourse by the taxpayers or voters in Moore County; the Power of Three has passed a resolution for signing a Limited Liability Bond obligation, what is the point in calling Picerno about anything? Their "liberal democratic" voting record speaks volumes about an absence of voting on important issues involving taxpayer funded projects. Picerno asked the question of the bonding company representative," if the court orders us to raise taxes to meet our bond obligation, then we might have to have a court order".

Save face with the taxpayers and voters that they didn't raise taxes; the court ordered them to raise taxes!

Funny that so many on here can't read a dictionary, I'm referring to you clbvpm: 7/22 Toda says ~ 'Didn't daddy-in-law and Mullah Larry VOTE for total transparency....?" Once you have learned to blog, one can bait people of lesser intelligence to reflect an absence of intellect....

MULLAH: noun. 1. a title of respect for a person who is learned in, teaches, or expounds the sacred law. 2. a provincial judge.

I have never questioned Larry Caddells’ faith in God - never! I have known him for over 25 years. I do know he has a never ending zeal to aspire politically for all the wrong reasons. One couldn't ask for a nicer person until he got into politics. Now his ethical standards are questionable - in my opinion as well as many others. Recorded and time stamped documents on file with the North Carolina Secretary of State’s Office supports my contention that Piceno and Caddell's relationship as well as partnership in Southern Software are evident. The timeline shows an adjustment in who would be President of the company and continues to change out of convenience and appropriate for the political climate.

I'll jump out on a limb her and say that Piceno has his eye on Harris Blake’s seat in the NC Senate; and as far as Joe Garrison "parroting" - 2. One who echoes the words of another v.t. – (i.e) those who have a grasp on writing styles can see when Nick communicates for Joe and when Joe writes his own threads.

As far as my intelligence: even if I don't win in November, our group will be monitoring every decision made by the CBC and bring those issues and concerns to the light of day. For those who support the liberal's in Carthage, after they are gone who will clean up the mess and the balance sheet? As the old adage goes now, I wasn't involved with that decision or vote. So don’t blame me! Perhaps when I’m and if I become a commissioner, county building projects won’t have to go out for bids. Since I have a General Contractors Builders License (active), I can build county projects like Southern Software provides “free” software to our elected Sheriff. But according to NC Ethics Standards, that is unethical for elected officials to receive “gifts” except in Moore County.

None 2 years, 10 months ago

Jr. Rhoades ~ I was wondering how an attorney practicing law in private practice had time to sit behind a computer blogging all day IF one has any clients? Just wondering? So you're not on this planet any longer - physcially or mentally? Beamed up by Scottie! huh

plumblevel 2 years, 10 months ago

Toda Dusty multitasks. The blogging is incuded in his 'billable' hours. It is quite a good deal. Dusty cannot respond to you now as he is with Scottie looking for black helicopters. I think he is irrepressible and will be back. He will probably come back like Jack Nicholson in the movie the Shining, "I'm back".

madmama 2 years, 10 months ago

Good thing we are getting a new jail...sounds like Mr. TODA may find himself there someday!

Thank you Nick Picerno!! It takes a strong person to put up with this criticism! Just remember what the good book says, "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me (Matthew 5:11)." Anyone who knows you, knows who guides your steps in this life. The Holy Spirit inside of you will cause things to rise up in others and they will spew venom to defend the kingdom of darkness. Press on...keep your eyes on him! "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:44)." Guess I need to hit my knees becuase I know I'm about to get slammed on these boards, but that is ok. Vengence is mine saith the Lord!

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