He's a Citizen By Birth

fatboy 2 years, 10 months ago

Don't know if you are aware of this or not, but Obama's citizenship case has just (quietly) reached the supreme court. Transcripts (which were subpoened) from Occidental College indicate that Obama received finaicial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript shows that Obama applied for and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, the student must claim foreign citizenship. Under growing pressure from several groups, including the Americans for Freedom of Information, Justice Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agree to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President. Gary Kreep of the US Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. The study estimates that Obama has spent $950,000 with 11 law firms in 12 states in an attempt to block disclosure of any of his personal records. More to come, I'm sure.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

fatboy, I, too, think that if everything's on the up & up there shouldn't be so much secrecy. If there's nothing to hide, put it all out there & end the scrutiny. It would be incredible if in fact he is not legally qualified to be the POTUS. Imagine how many people's heads would roll...something they desperately want to avoid. Of course, someone might end up in the East River before it's all said & done. I've always thought he was sketchy. Do not even get me started on all his friends, mentors and associates.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

So even if he lied about being born in Hawaii he would still be eligible because his mother, a US citizen, gave birth to him. So he could've been born in Kenya or Indonesia or on the moon and still be eligible. Why then is he insisting that he was born in Hawaii? Where's the proof? Transparency? I welcome all attacks. Heehee

SeekerofTruth 2 years, 10 months ago

Not true. The only children born out of country to American citizens granted American citizenship at birth are those members of the U.S. Military, diplomatic corps, and civilians working through the Department of Justice in overseas locations. Therefore, he would NOT have automatically been an American citizen...IF born overseas.

Diogenes 2 years, 10 months ago

Here's a link to the State Department's summary of who qualifies for citizenship at birth:

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

SeekerofTruth, you might just have to seek a little harder if the truth is what you are after. After all, it took me 5 seconds to find this...

SeekerofTruth 2 years, 10 months ago

Although his mother is an American citizen, neither of his parents were current residents at the time of his birth....they had established residence overseas...

dustyrhoades 2 years, 10 months ago

Yawn. It's all been done.

Diogenes 2 years, 10 months ago

Way to backtrack on your assertion, Seeker. And you are still wrong:

A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

In essence, our president only could NOT be eligible for the office if Ann Dunham never lived in the US for a continuous year or renounced her citizenship prior to giving birth.

Ross 2 years, 10 months ago

whew.........is this what we have to look forward to if republicans are voted back in - crazy stuff like this?

This entire crap has been investigated ad nauseum and NOTHING at all came of it. Perhaps you silly "birthers" need to take a trip to DC and investigate yourselves!

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

Obama will release the birth certificate when Sarah Palin releases a high school diploma.

In all seriousness, the birther movement has got to be the funniest thing EVER..

Diogenes 2 years, 10 months ago

Please explain how you have a right to see his college transcripts as it pertains to FERPA. Thanks.

Ross 2 years, 10 months ago

taxed2deth - since all you do is post thin one line retorts..........

"In the final months of the 2008 presidential race, Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) campaign learned of a lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania that asked the state to strip Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of the Democratic nomination on suspicion that he was not an American citizen."

"While they ruled out any chance of the “birther” lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”

And - do you think the nutbag repubs in congress would ever leave this alone if there was even a shred of evidence.

This is why the far right is considered a bunch of looney tunes.

My advice - take a trip to Hawaii and see his BC in person.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

Did you personally go to Hawaii to see it yourself Ross? Impressive.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

Did you personally go to Hawaii to see it yourself Ross? Impressive.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, didn't mean to post that twice.

CSmithson 2 years, 10 months ago

Yikes! If producing a certified copy of a birth certificate with backup from the apropriate government official AND having one's birth announcement in the paper on the appropriate date almost 50 years ago is not proof of birth, NONE of us may be able to prove where we were born.

Heck, I can't even testify 100% as to where I was born since I remember nothing I did that day after being delivered almost 38 years ago. My mother and grandmother who were there that day are dead. My father is too, but he was off fighting in the war when I was born so he couldn't have helped anyway. There was probably an announcement in the Pilot, but we all know you can't trust them ;-) I was born on the Air Force base in Goldsboro and there may be records there, but you can't trust the military any more than you can trust the press.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

jimt wrote "college (put it in just in case one of you made it to college), graduate school (ditto)"

Wow, sounds like someone could light a cigarette on your neck. You may need to take a break.

Being skeptical doesn't equal uneducated. You'd be shocked by my CV.

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

If he was born in Kenya and this has been a cover up this whole time wouldn't he not only be qualified for POTUS, but he would be an illegal alien. He would have never gone through a naturalization process, therefore Obama is an undocumented alien!!!!

You can't make this stuff up lol

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

Runs in the family I guess.

theonewithsense 2 years, 10 months ago

So, Obama applied for financial aid as a foreign student. That doesn't mean he wasn't born in Hawaii, it just means he is a liar. Surprise surprise.....

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

"So, Obama applied for financial aid as a foreign student."

That was an April fools joke that has been squashed over a year ago. You people have got to turn off Rush and Hannity. My god, do some research!

TheNeedle 2 years, 10 months ago

"So let me ask you two, if Palin's citizenship was in question, would you demand more proof from her? "

Actually, McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone...or so he says. We need proof that he wasn't whelped in the jungles outside the wire....

Oh, wait, the election's over. Never mind...

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

TheNeedle-too funny!!!

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

I am not a registered Republican. Sorry to disappoint.

borderraven 2 years, 10 months ago

Frances Dillon, correctly states, " All persons born on U.S. soil (Hawaii) are automatically U.S. citizens regardless of the immigration status of their parents. All persons born to at least one U.S. citizen (mother) are themselves U.S. citizens even if they’re born in a foreign country."

And she is correct per the 14th Amendment, as defined in 8 USC1401, and 8USC1405, in saying Barack Obama is a "US Citizen".

However, Frances Dillon, ignores that part of the 14th Amendment, respecting jurisdiction, but most importantly she ignores the US Constitution, Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 requiring the President to be a Natural Born Citizen. Unfortunately Natural Born Citizen, has yet to be defined by US Code, and is not explained clearly in the US Constitution.

Where Article 1 requires Legislators to be Citizens, but Article 2 requires the President be a Natural Born Citizen, we are left to deductions. The 14th Amendment, helps by defining a US Citizen, as being naturalized in a US State or born in a US State, and AND AND subject to the jurisdiction of the laws governing that State.

We know that the citizenship at birth must be influenced by three (3) things: 1.) the soil or location, 2.) the Mother, and 3.) the Father.

The Latin term for jurisdiction by soil is jus solis, and by blood is jus sanguinis. So, A citizen is the product of (soil)+(Mother's blood)+(Father's blood), with both soil and blood transferring a portion of jurisdiction conferring citizenship to the child.

Thus a US Citizen born in a US state would be: (USA)+(USA)+(ALIEN) = DUAL CITIZEN (USA)+(ALIEN)+(USA) = DUAL CITIZEN (USA)+(USA)+(USA) = NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

We know Obama's father was a British citizen, who was not naturalized before Obama was born, therefore President Obama was born a dual-citizen, and he was not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

teufelhunden 2 years, 10 months ago

Borderraven-thank you for your post. That will give us all food for thought.

borderraven 2 years, 10 months ago

I tried to convince the over zealous Obama supporters that he is not a Natural Born Citizen, and is not qualified to be a US President, but I finally concluded, that my best strategy was to play it like marital argument, and let her think she won. When the day comes, long after Obama has left the White House, that another Dual-National, American of Mexican descent runs for the Presidency, and is elected by a landslide of Latino voters who are pro-immigrant and pro-open borders, oh and pro-Mexico, well that will be the final nail in the coffin for the USA. Just remember you read it here, on July 21, 2010.

Ross 2 years, 10 months ago

borderraven - I shake my head and simply smile. YOU are unreachable!

DrConspiracy 2 years, 10 months ago

Let me correct some of the factual information here.

1) In the original article, it was not correct that "[a]ll persons born to at least one U.S. citizen (mother) are themselves U.S. citizens even if they’re born in a foreign country" in 1961 when President Obama was born, although it is today.

2) The entire "Supreme Court narrative" from "fatboy" is total fiction. Supreme Cases have names; fictional ones do not. The near-million-dollar price tag for Obama defense is also ludicrous, since most of the 70 lawsuits (all dismissed) do not even name Obama as a defendant, and of course there are not a lot of legal fees when the case is dismissed and never goes to trial. The foreign student thing is bogus also.

3) borderraven's formula for "natural born citizen" is also total fiction. There is near universal agreement that anyone born a citizen in the United States is a natural born citizen [I don't say that on my own but rather on the authority of half a dozen law review articles], and President Obama is hardly the first US President born of a British father (e.g. Chester A. Arthur).

4) There is a contemporary newspaper announcement showing that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at the base hospital. The Republic of Panama birth certificate floating around for McCain is a forgery (as are all the Kenyan birth certificates for Obama).

I won't tie up any more of your time. For backup references, click on my screen name.

DrConspiracy 2 years, 10 months ago

Wow! I did a little research and found out that fatboy's comment is really an April Fool joke from 2009! ROFL.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/06/obama-occidental-blast/

RadioNC 2 years, 10 months ago

The constitution says the president must be "a natural born Citizen," which means he must be born on US soil. A US citizen does not have to be born here. Obama was born in Kenya which disqualifies him to be president.

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

"Wow! I did a little research and found out that fatboy's comment is really an April Fool joke from 2009! ROFL."

I'm telling you, I can't make this stuff up. ROFLMAO

These people are too much!!!

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

RadioNC, keep that dial on Savage and you'll be just fine....

lol

OldPilot 2 years, 10 months ago

You people need to get back on your medication, put your tinfoil hats back on & stop listening to the voices. Obama is the president, that's a fact, and it will be so for either another 2+ or 6+ years. He was born in Hawaii, the earth is round & the south isn't going to rise again. Get a grip.

RadioNC 2 years, 10 months ago

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leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

Jimt, I hate that I missed the comment. I was going to respond to the nonsense that T2T wrote but I decided it really wasn't worth my time.

leftfield 2 years, 10 months ago

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Ross 2 years, 10 months ago

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Ross 2 years, 10 months ago

Staff needs to "man" up on these comments....... They delete the mildest retorts anymore!

mcg2010 2 years, 10 months ago

A year ago to the day. America's most trusted man in news covered this story.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity

To the right crazies, I say get informed. To the lefties, I say enjoy.

JT 2 years, 10 months ago

This non-story has been beaten to death. Anyone with questions should refer to FACTCHECK.ORG which is a project of the Annenberg Center for Public Policy. For those who aren't familiar with the name Annenberg, he was one of Ronald Reagan's most trusted advisors. The site is part of the University of Pennsylvania's communications department and is dedicated to sorting through the "spin" from ALL sides to distinguish fact from rumor in a completely non-partisan manner. It is quite enlightening to see the lengths they go to to arrive at their answers and every investigation is complete with references and sources.

JohnChappell 2 years, 10 months ago

What fun! Try this on for size:

Shakespeare describes Julius Caesar as one "untimely ripped from his mother's womb" with the superstition of the day fearing a leader not naturally born. Caesar had a Cesarian birth, giving name to the procedure often called C-section today.

Ever since Caesar crossed the Rubicon some feared anybody born that way might be dangerous, so the Constitution limited the presidency to "natural born" citizens instead.

Now there's a truly literal interpretation -- just not a sensible one.

Rawdoglet 2 years, 10 months ago

Sure Obama is a citizen but you have to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to be POTUS. There is a difference. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a citizen too but he cannot be POTUS.

Natural Born Means Born IN COUNTRY or...

Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child.

Your arguement has no point.

The constitution clears states the difference

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States"

JT 2 years, 10 months ago

And as a follow-up, a link to the latest re-investigation http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/

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