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Southern Pines, NC
In all of the cases in Moore County where industrialists and successful people acquired holdings in the thousands of acres, great care was taken to preserve the resources, infrastructure and look and feel of “the area”. In many cases, you probably are not aware of, these tracts kept the neighborhood clear of the type of people that ultimately came along. It was high net worth individuals and families that were welcomed because they contributed to the value of the area, bought large tranche's of municipal bonds, chartered foundations, made charitable contributions to worthy causes and donated land for things like the community college and so forth and so on. All I ever hear or read from the side you and others seem so ready to present is constant complaining about how things ought to be. Yet, you march to your own drumbeats and blow your horns like you know everything.
In one of your comments you state “Retired look for a less hectic way of life, and coming to Pinehurst/Southern pines has been, up to now, the draw, but as the expansion continues unabated you WILL lose the ones you want. The retired look at this and say " That's what I am leaving". - My comment to those folks is: take your coat, your hat, and leave...before you got here there were those who had the same oh the sky is falling attitudes when properties were in the planning stages and there are many developments that have done very well in all climates of economic activity. There are exceptions.
Yet, even in these times, regions like South Florida re-branded themselves to attract the new Brazil and are turning things around fast despite the result of the Obamanomic's resounding thud. Who are you folks to know what the target market profile is for a development that has not even been approved. I certainly don't, but I have faith in the folks that do. I can't imaging they would intend to build a property on the backs of a lot of BRAC second lieutenants or even G-12 and above pay grade retirees coming down from the Pentagon or wherever. Or, that they would make the same mistake that was made by high end retail expecting the market that came to Pinehurst would leap to pay $20,000 for a fur coat. These people are smarter than that.
In your posts over the past month on the development of “the area” subject, you make a lot of noise but offer no no solutions. You offer no credible facts as your thought train evidently begins with a jumping off point that embodies the assumption that “the area” as you call it was mainly built post 1970, with no consideration that major landholders bought significant tracts as early as the late 1800's. None of these landholders came along with a let's get rich scheme. They already were doing quite well, long before the influx of the third tier of northern society began to find its way into Moore County with the townhouse, condo and “6/10ths of an acre and a golf cart crowd”. Tiers being (1) investor/financier/industrialist/capitalist population (2) executive management/retiree population (3) middle management and pensioners population.
Developments ranging from CCNC in the past to Forest Creek more recently have come into being without creating any of the issues you throw up as hurdles, constraints to resources or what have you. Others such as Foxfire, Whispering Pines and even Seven Lakes have fought their own battles with economic uncertainty. Perhaps you don't recall that they were giving away memberships if you bought a lot out on many Pinehurst property owned lots at one time because they had too much extended inventory and nobody wanted one. Many people who did buy, bought for investments, or to keep the population growth down.
What gets me is that you assume in many of your posts that your opinion encompasses the greater good of Southern Pines as if you have anything to do with its implementation, which you don't. I was tempted initially just to reply to your post with ”Well boy, who died and left you King of the Pines” and let it go at that. But after reading your posts in entirety I had to make the point that perhaps you might be inspired to consider that there are those who do not appreciate the meddling, confrontational, abrasive tone that folks brought with them who are considered outsiders no matter how long they have been in “the area”.
So then, the point I make is that you, and folks like you, have taken the stage to voice your own version of what is in the best interest of people for far too long without redress in my opinion. It is of zero value what you bring to the table when all you bring are highly biased opinions with no solutions. Regardless of whether it is about the status of the capacity of infrastructure, under utilized industrial, residential or retail space, future tax burdens or regulatory procedures, or whatever. You are not in any way empowered with the decision making authority to do anything about it, especially if all you are offering is negative thinking. In your case, you reside elsewhere.
I would have answered your post last night if I had known you would come back again with more nonsense, but will spend a few minutes in rebuttal. It would have posted this morning but either it didn't post or got removed for being too harsh, in any event here is my attempt to help you understand my perspective. Because it is lengthy I will have to break it up into several posts. Hope you don;t mind. I rarely post anything, but from time to time my goat gets out of the pasture and heads for the hayloft. This is one of those occasions.
As for Arestorer and alladat1 - you deserve a proper response which I will get to right away.
For starters. (a) No attempt is made to attack your right or “allowability” to comment. However, (b) your ability to comment speaks for itself.
Before responding to your initial post I read your comments from previous posts to try to gain an understanding from your perspective. What I gleaned is that you, as well as many others moved from “somewhere else” to The Pines somewhere around 1970 and now have “retired to the beach” having been involved in business and the building of “the area” as you deem it.
Take whatever you will from my reply here, but note that in many ways I agree with your politics as I also feel the country is in for a long period of protracted economic stagnation due to the current executive branch and many other reasons. Your litany of reasoning pales in terms of my disdain for the administration's policies and anticipated effects that will result from them going forward. So, there is no reason In splitting hairs there. However, one needs to be able to accept that others opinions are not necessarily predicated on the same view as one's own. In my opinion, the plausibility of your reasoning assumes that folks have not taken into account the variables you use to make your opening salvo. So then,...
There is a marked difference between proper good stewardship by people with vision, resources and influence as opposed to just any old retiree with a pocket and a pension.
You are welcome citizen...maybe l njc17 will go to The Presbyterian Church Sunday and ask Mrs. Bell what she thinks. She usually sits in the balcony on the right side going up the stairs.
By the way. 1962 is when I arrived on the scene and I didn't move from somewhere else.
Since you know the Bell's so well..why be averse to the growth they foresee? Why not celebrate responsible development instead of what we saw in the 1970's.
You start off your diatribe with "Well boys", which shows obvious lack of respect. therefore losing respect at that point, then offer nothing of value other than whining pathetic panty waist crooning as to what is wrong with everything..then get hostile when taken to task over a myopic viewpoint.
...ashes to ashes. dust to dust.
Why is it that this person is so, how shall I say it, pervasively ignorant?
Relative to Mr njc17. Perhaps it would behoove you to understand some basic facts.
Your commentary exhibits no qualification from which to present a rational point of expertise in development at the level proposed by one of the most successful families ever to have hailed form the Pines.
Allow me to assert that the likeliness of success in terms of metrics you dismiss as unobtainable have likely been calculated to exacting specifications by a vetted team of professionals who are at the pinnacle of their careers.
We, The People of the Pines (consider that to the mean indigenous natives for the purpose of argument) know one thing for certain if we know nothing else at all about this topic. That being, the Bell family operates a first class organization and every thing they have been or are involved with since they came to our area in the 1950's is top drawer. This is without question.
A good suggestion for you would be to go on about your business and let folks who know something about developing the area of Southern Pines go on about their business.
All the best,
The David Stone..
You Know Obama is in trouble when you see a ...
"Democrats for Romney" bumper sticker on a Prius in San Francisco as I did on I-80 today...
tonight, on the way to see the Tigers in the World Series
sending the entire population of yankee's back where they came from is the only solution and that won;t ever happen so you are stuck with the crabby oatmeal and geritol crowd - that is why I moved
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