A.S., Hundreds of thousands of immigrants have come to this country legally and did what was necessary to become citizens. If we open our borders and let whomever wishes to come here, we will have no control over who comes into our country. Certainly it would be an insult to the people that have come here legally and did what was required of them to become citizens. Also, you talk about other countries having larger populations which is true, but some are also extremely overpopulated such as India and China. If the US just throws open their doors and lets anyone that wishes to come here come, how long do you think it will be before we are overpopulated? How many people in other countries do you think would come here if they could? Then we would see overpopulation. The people of other countries know our immigration laws. They choose to ignore them which makes what they do illegal. Illegal is illegal.
"Unless an immigrant is a violent criminal, the state has no business deporting him, regardless of whether he crossed the border legally."
The problem with that is we need to have some form of immigration policies. This country is gaining rapidly in population and will most likely continue to do so. What if millions of people from every country in the world decided they wanted to live in the US and they could just get on a plane, come into the US and stay forever if they wanted knowing they would not be deported. Also, how would we know if all the people coming into the country were law abiding and not criminals in their own countries? It would be impossible to know that. There is no way this country could support nor is there room for never ending population increases.
The whole issue is sad. It is something I'm afraid will continue as our society becomes more numb to violence as it is exploited in the media daily. Computer games full of violence and movies depicting violence. It is a sad commentary on our society.
What makes you think that there would only be 1 to 3 people and that they would be trained? Some are saying that if people were just armed. Do they mean all of us? If so, then who is to do the defending? Do we gather everyone together at the beginning of an event and see who is armed and decide who will do the protecting? It's ridiculous. You make it sound like a script from a movie. There will automatically be several trained gun carriers at an event that will calmly stand up and shoot the perp and save the day. It's like what happens in a burning building. Panic sets in and cool and calm heads do not prevail.
It is so easy to say what you would do if you are not in the situation. With something like that, panic ensues and people do not act in a cool and deliberate fashion. That is why police go through such rigorous training. Unfortunately, most people do not learn to be sharpshooters that can stay calm and collected when something of this magnitude happens. I'm not sure that the people in that theatre would have been real thrilled to have bunches of people pulling out guns and shooting and adding just more panic to the situation. They wouldn't have known if the others were attempting to protect them or were other perps. In a crisis situation, people cannot necessarily determine what is occurring. That is why many times people are unable to give identifying information.
You think it would have been less than a bloody nightmare if several dozens of people had been shooting, irkim13? It was a nightmare period, but could have been tremendously worse if multiple people were shooting. Just plain common sense.
Absolutely, OldPilot. The allowing of unlicensed gun dealers at shows to sell with no questions asked is absolutely asking for trouble and needs to be addressed.
Amen, OldPilot. There is no other result to numerous people shooting wildly into a crowded venue but a bloody nightmare. As I said before, if everyone is armed everywhere they go, then we just need to do away with all law enforcement. If someone tries to rob a store, then the clerk or a bystander just pulls out their gun and shoots. I tend to believe that the founding fathers are spinning in their graves with what society has done. The right to bear arms was during the time where there was no police and people needed guns to protect their homesteads and families and to feed their families. It always amazes me when people use something that was passed centuries ago for the time and what the necessities were for that time and want to bring it into recent times and claim that it should be applicable. Laws need changing in respect to what is in the best interest of the public at that time. Now I'm sure all the people that want guns in everyones' hands will jump on this!!
pinewoodnc 9 months, 2 weeks ago
For Libertarianism To Be Taken Seriously ...
A.S., Hundreds of thousands of immigrants have come to this country legally and did what was necessary to become citizens. If we open our borders and let whomever wishes to come here, we will have no control over who comes into our country. Certainly it would be an insult to the people that have come here legally and did what was required of them to become citizens. Also, you talk about other countries having larger populations which is true, but some are also extremely overpopulated such as India and China. If the US just throws open their doors and lets anyone that wishes to come here come, how long do you think it will be before we are overpopulated? How many people in other countries do you think would come here if they could? Then we would see overpopulation. The people of other countries know our immigration laws. They choose to ignore them which makes what they do illegal. Illegal is illegal.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 2 weeks ago
For Libertarianism To Be Taken Seriously ...
"Unless an immigrant is a violent criminal, the state has no business deporting him, regardless of whether he crossed the border legally."
The problem with that is we need to have some form of immigration policies. This country is gaining rapidly in population and will most likely continue to do so. What if millions of people from every country in the world decided they wanted to live in the US and they could just get on a plane, come into the US and stay forever if they wanted knowing they would not be deported. Also, how would we know if all the people coming into the country were law abiding and not criminals in their own countries? It would be impossible to know that. There is no way this country could support nor is there room for never ending population increases.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 2 weeks ago
A Summer Stand for Animal Aid
What a wonderful little girl who is definitely being reared well. Good job, Eva.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Knee-Jerk Reaction
The whole issue is sad. It is something I'm afraid will continue as our society becomes more numb to violence as it is exploited in the media daily. Computer games full of violence and movies depicting violence. It is a sad commentary on our society.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Knee-Jerk Reaction
What makes you think that there would only be 1 to 3 people and that they would be trained? Some are saying that if people were just armed. Do they mean all of us? If so, then who is to do the defending? Do we gather everyone together at the beginning of an event and see who is armed and decide who will do the protecting? It's ridiculous. You make it sound like a script from a movie. There will automatically be several trained gun carriers at an event that will calmly stand up and shoot the perp and save the day. It's like what happens in a burning building. Panic sets in and cool and calm heads do not prevail.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Knee-Jerk Reaction
It is so easy to say what you would do if you are not in the situation. With something like that, panic ensues and people do not act in a cool and deliberate fashion. That is why police go through such rigorous training. Unfortunately, most people do not learn to be sharpshooters that can stay calm and collected when something of this magnitude happens. I'm not sure that the people in that theatre would have been real thrilled to have bunches of people pulling out guns and shooting and adding just more panic to the situation. They wouldn't have known if the others were attempting to protect them or were other perps. In a crisis situation, people cannot necessarily determine what is occurring. That is why many times people are unable to give identifying information.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Knee-Jerk Reaction
You think it would have been less than a bloody nightmare if several dozens of people had been shooting, irkim13? It was a nightmare period, but could have been tremendously worse if multiple people were shooting. Just plain common sense.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
A Sober Thought
Absolutely, OldPilot. The allowing of unlicensed gun dealers at shows to sell with no questions asked is absolutely asking for trouble and needs to be addressed.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Three Takes on 'Gun Issue'
That sounds like a bunch of hoey. Labeling people is what intolerant folks do.
pinewoodnc 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Knee-Jerk Reaction
Amen, OldPilot. There is no other result to numerous people shooting wildly into a crowded venue but a bloody nightmare. As I said before, if everyone is armed everywhere they go, then we just need to do away with all law enforcement. If someone tries to rob a store, then the clerk or a bystander just pulls out their gun and shoots. I tend to believe that the founding fathers are spinning in their graves with what society has done. The right to bear arms was during the time where there was no police and people needed guns to protect their homesteads and families and to feed their families. It always amazes me when people use something that was passed centuries ago for the time and what the necessities were for that time and want to bring it into recent times and claim that it should be applicable. Laws need changing in respect to what is in the best interest of the public at that time. Now I'm sure all the people that want guns in everyones' hands will jump on this!!