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This type of law has been ruled unconstitutional every time any state has tried to pass it. Why does North Carolina think that somehow we will be any different?
The only way this is constitutional is if any individual who receives any form of income from state tax payer dollars is tested. This means teachers, DSS workers, the Governor and every legislator in the General Assembly. Good luck getting it passed with those stipulations.
Spock, your ignorance is astounding. This is about equality. It is about treating all people the same, and affording them the same opportunities that we all have. Apparently if people don't fit in to your perfect little image of what life should look like, and some how I am the crazy one. What about me then? I grew up in a single parent household. My father passed away when I was 6, and it was just me and my mom. So by your backwards standards, some how I am a lesser person, right? That's a real Christian perspective.
Also, you are ignorant as to how laws work. We are governed by the US Constitution and the states can make laws, but they can't make laws that fly in the face of that Constitution. I mean states can try to make unconstitutional laws, but that's why we have the Supreme Court to ensure that nothing supersedes the Rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
History will prove you wrong. Just as history has proven every instance of inequality and lesser treatment of others has been proven wrong.
This is the same kind of garbage people spewed when states started allowing blacks and white to marry. Take your blatant homophobia back to 1958. It has no place in the 21st Century. Letters like this are going to be the junk that my children are going to have to read about in school and that I'm going to have to explain why it took us so long to treat other human beings like freaking human beings.
Here is the insane hypocrisy in all this. The author of this letter is no doubt a supporter of Amendment 1, giving North Carolina a redundant amendment restricting gay marriage. I am curious as to what the authors thoughts are on the bill in the NCGA now that would make it harder for people to get divorced in this state. Why doesn't that get to be Amendment 2, if you will? Why don't I get to vote for how long it takes you to destroy the sanctity of marriage?
I have no issue with ensuring that those in need are actually the recipients of these funds, nor do I have an issue with trying to reduce the cost of this state funded program.
However, this is resolution wouldn't do any of that. Where does this save the state ANY money whatsoever? Who do you think is going to pay for all of those drug tests? Yes, the concept is that we would knock enough people out of the system that it would even out, but 1- that isn't saving anything, that's breaking even and 2- that never happens. Between the actual cost of the program and resulting civil liberties lawsuits, we won't see any "savings"
Look at Florida, they imposed this system and it is actually COSTING the state money. Does it make us feel good to say, "yeah! look at us keeping drug users [and dealers, which if your a dealer and on welfare, you must not be a very good one] and riff raff from getting state funds." It's a great concept, but it has never been done successfully.
I have to chime in here and say that the Board of Commissioners really should have something better to do than push on with the stale Tea Party talking points, especially when they've been proven ineffective just 12 hours down 95.
Oh, sources you say? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871/floridas-welfare-drug-tests-cost.html
I wish Republicans and Democrats would stop demonizing a single parent household. Yes, the ideal situation might be a two parent family, but that is not always the hand we are dealt. Is it the ideal situation if a parent is abusive? Or in my case, my father passed away when I was 6 years old. My mother never remarried, so it was just me and her. And, if I do say so myself, she did a phenomenal job on her own.
I never really wanted for anything, I was raised to make the right choices, I have never been in trouble with the law, or felt the need to rebel with drugs or alcohol. I graduated from high school a member of the honor society and graduated college as student body president. I'm currently employed in a steady job, on my own, paying off my student loans. But somehow, my family structure isn't good enough.
I wish my father could have been there to watch me grow up and support me in the things I've accomplished. But that wasn't in God's plan. But I think I turned out just fine. Ideals are just that, ideals. How about we support women like my mother, instead of making them feel incomplete or their families like less of a "real family" because of how life shakes out for them.
Teufel, you mean like Huckabee seized the opportunity to push his agenda of prayer in schools by saying that this wouldn't have happened if America allowed prayer in schools? Which he did the very afternoon of the shooting.
I'm not saying that this wasn't a catalyst for the Obama administration, but to say that he was alone politicizing this tragedy is disingenuous.
Oh me, Pack how did you find out!? Let us all listen to the great, rational and wise Alex Jones! All take heed now! The government is coming for your guns! Surly Alex Jones must be right! As he the chief political scholar of our times and possibly even a prophet of the tyranny that is to reign this great land! Surly if a legislation is introduced on to the floor of the house that that proposes taking guns then surly it shall pass, because of the strong hold that the evil progressive have on the throat of American freedom! ....She said, dripping with sarcasm, because she knows that realistically any legislation proposed to "confiscate" any guns would 1) never pass the republican controlled house, no matter where it was proposed, 2) Obama would never sign it, 3) even if 1 and 2 happened in an alternate universe it would be stopped in the courts as a violation of the 2nd amendment and over turned by the Supreme Court.
Would the extreme hippy, dippy libs love to see people live in a world without guns. Sure they would. Just like the extreme right would like to limit the ability for others to explore religious beliefs besides theirs.
It's called checks and balances. Then again I don't really go to Alex Jones expecting to hear anything balanced. No one is taking away your guns. You are protected by the 2nd Amendment from that actually happening. Which, to me all the more baffling as to why simple enforcement of the laws already on the books, or the addition of tougher background checks seem so unreasonable to law-abiding gun owners.
Pack, if you bring that conspiracy theory crap about Sandy Hook to these boards, I will lose all respect for your positions, and you will lose all credibility you might have. I'm glad to have a conversation and discourse about the regulation (not restriction) of guns, but don't even bring that garbage here.
The Sandy Hook truthers are mind boggling through. The same government that isn't fit to balance a budget, or are completely inept to get anything done, and have a CIA head that can't even keep an affair hidden, some how can pull full a "false flag" event like this. It flies in the face of your own logic and is frankly shameful.
Pack, you're right. The laws do exist, but the problem is that the NRA has completely stripped down the ability for the ATF or even local law enforcement to actually enforce the laws on the books. They've done this by buying politicians and writing legislation that has been slipped in to budget legislation that's completely left the ATF ineffective.
It's a fair question to ask, would we be having this conversation if the gun makers in this country had actually let the laws we have on the books be enforced?
Pest, you do have that right, and again I have never stated that you don't, nor have I ever advocating taking that right away. If you want to misconstrue my statements, then that is on your ignorance.
I don't understand why you are so opposed to common sense legislation that will regulate guns, not restrict them. These types of laws will help prevent law abiding citizens from begin victims of gun violence, while allowing law abiding citizens to own guns.
No one is trying to take your guns away. You can have your guns, but we've got to stop making it so easy for dangerous people to get a hold of guns. That is what I advocate, dude.
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