Why perpetuate a tax system that allows politicians to buy votes/concentrate power in the hands of the few? Our tax system does that and more, pitting citizens upon one another based on income?
When did America go from "look Tommy there's Mr. Peters in his caddy, you can one too some day if you work hard and smart son" to "look there's a rich snob, burn his caddy!"?
We need a truly fair tax system. A system where every American keeps their whole paycheck, and gets a minimum $500 check from the government every month. A system that can collect fairly, standing on it's own outside of political control.
Try to remember as you debate the "Fairness" of the current tax code these two things:
the progressive income tax system was suggested as a method of income redistribution by karl marx in his communist manifesto.
The progressive income tax system is the tool most used by both parties to effect the rapid expansion of cronyism under the last two administrations. (GE and Halliburton?)
AM910, our "government", if allowed to work correctly was constructed to allow that the will of the people would be upheld and that there is allowed a free, fair exchange of ideas that will help ensure that all citizens are protected. The need for "everyone to get along" is a high calling and a worthy one that is for sure.
You assume that:
Any group of people can truly have a free exchange of ideas.
That any human would act in the interest of other humans without regard, nay to the detriment to it's own interest.
This is utopia, an imposable dream. Science quite clearly shows that humans never act in any manner other than there own interest. The founders realized this, and created a government designed to harness this "selfish evil" and make it virtue.
I'm am so SICK of the slander directed toward the founding fathers on slavery. They knew then, before they even presented the new Constitution, that they had laid the foundations of the (then) coming civil war.
The Constitution was written in plain English that any common man can read and understand. It has no meaning other than what it so succinctly states. There could be no other interpretation other than all men are created equal and slavery was unconstitutional. That was even before the 14th amendment. The 14th was added to overrule the Dread Scott decision, used along with the bible as justification for slavery by the south.
You need to read the Constitution sir. There is no mechanism for the people to amend the Constitution. Only the legislative branch or two thirds of the states can call for the amending of the Constitution, to be ratified by the people of no less two thirds of the states. Ratified, not petitioned. The right to petition to redress has nothing to do with amending the Constitution.
Take a step back from the mechanics of the amendment process, and ask yourself if it is a good idea to modify to the Constitution, a document intended to secure our rights from government, to impose the moral prohibitions of one religion on the state? In effect, to use the popular will of the people to force the state government and courts to enforce religious edicts on a minority of other persons. Is that what freedom in America is? Is that really what the Great State of North Carolina really stands for?
If you amend the Constitution, that amendment is not soon removed. So what if your wrong? What if you are a bit wrong headed on this issue? Generations will pay for that mistake, and there is already a law in place prohibiting same sex marriage. A law written by your generation, based on your morals, by citizens you elected to represent us to our republican form of legislative government. A law easily repealed by the next generation; if your morals prove wrong.
That local governed, local democracy, acting responsibly under a Constitution, is constitutional republicanism, our chartered government.
No sir, you have to let go of the government sponsored education. A Constitutional Republic was the form of government that our founders created. They did examine democracy and rejected it.
Benjamin Franklin when asked what form of government came of the convention replied "a republic Ma'am, if we can keep it."
Benjamin Franklin: " When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." A Cesar (Julius?) said this prior.
John Adams: Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
James Madison: Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.
Benjamin Franklin: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
John Adams: That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.
Thomas Jefferson: All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that through the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
The government has been working hard to make democracy and vetoing equal freedom in the minds of Americans. In fact democracy equals slavery and serfdom to the will of the mob. But forget what moonine and I have to say, just listen to the words not so long written down.
I am truly amazed at the number of incorrect theories, and statements made about the Constitution by everyday people. I already knew that the morons in Washington were totally ignorant. Now it seems they have captured more minds then their own.
"an authoritarian state that ignores the will of its people, is far more disturbing." Geoff, We are a republic not a democracy. The Republican party, founded as the anti-slavery party, did so on the foundation that our nation is a republic, its justice blind, it's people free and equal under law. You sir, in your statement, all but defines what a democrat is. A panderer to the mindless whims of the masses, otherwise know as democracy. You sir speak of republican ideals, yet demand democratic government.
As for the proponents, this is not a equal rights issue. The law says quite plainly that no citizen may marry another of the same sex. It does not say that Homosexuals may not marry, or that Heterosexuals may marry some one of the same sex. Therefor, both hetero, and homosexuals are equal under law. That completely satisfies the equal protection clause, and privileges and immunities clause of the 14th amendment.
There are better reasons to be for and opposed. I for one am always in favor of increasing individual liberty, regardless if I approve of it's use. It's a bedrock principle of American Jurisprudence: Do not encroach on others liberty.
This is a First Amendment issue, Marriage is both a legal and religious sacrament. If marriage is part of practicing religion than prohibiting it to anyone is a violation of their right to freely practice the religion of their choice. However, nor should a church or parish be forced to act in ways counter to their beliefs.
As for the legal aspects, there is no good reason for government to be certifying marriages. A simple registrar of civil unions can suffice for all legal proceedings regarding dissolution, probate, etc.. Then you can call your union anything you like, a holy marriage before god, your simple vow of commitment to your partner, or even a quack.
Kill any prophets or "dreamers of dreams" if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5, 18:20
Kill everyone with religious beliefs that are different than your own. (Including your family, friends, and neighbors) 13:6-10, 13:12-16, 17:2-7
If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and "go in unto her." 21:11-14
Rules for a man with two wives: "one beloved, and another hated." 21:15
How to dispose of a hated wife. 22:13-22
Women that wear men's clothing are "abominations unto the Lord." 22:5
Don't "wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together." 22:11
Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. 22:13-21
A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. 22:28-29
You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. 23:1
A bastard can't attend church "even to his tenth generation." 23:2
How to poop in the woods so that God doesn't step in it. 23:12-14
How to divorce your wife if you find "some uncleanness in her." 24:1-4
(Shamelessly copied from the Internets)
Lets codify these biblical prohibitions into law! Because the bible is the word of god, and infallible right? Let's bring stoning back, wouldn't that be great?!
Please, the arguments against, and for gay marriage are both based on flawed assumptions.
The Democratic and Republicans in power and the media are the real racists. I can tell because when they talk about Americans and how they vote, the first statement is in regards to the voters color. Also, I only hear about race from those in the media and politicians.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
Where Much of the Real Financial Blame Might Lie
Who's fault is it? Yours. You watch the news, see the corruption, and put it off to "just politics".
Seems to me maybe we should vote for someone other than just another politician. Maybe our neighbor...for congress...
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
Doesn't Seem Fair
Why perpetuate a tax system that allows politicians to buy votes/concentrate power in the hands of the few? Our tax system does that and more, pitting citizens upon one another based on income?
When did America go from "look Tommy there's Mr. Peters in his caddy, you can one too some day if you work hard and smart son" to "look there's a rich snob, burn his caddy!"?
We need a truly fair tax system. A system where every American keeps their whole paycheck, and gets a minimum $500 check from the government every month. A system that can collect fairly, standing on it's own outside of political control.
Try to remember as you debate the "Fairness" of the current tax code these two things:
the progressive income tax system was suggested as a method of income redistribution by karl marx in his communist manifesto.
The progressive income tax system is the tool most used by both parties to effect the rapid expansion of cronyism under the last two administrations. (GE and Halliburton?)
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
AM910, our "government", if allowed to work correctly was constructed to allow that the will of the people would be upheld and that there is allowed a free, fair exchange of ideas that will help ensure that all citizens are protected. The need for "everyone to get along" is a high calling and a worthy one that is for sure.
You assume that:
Any group of people can truly have a free exchange of ideas.
That any human would act in the interest of other humans without regard, nay to the detriment to it's own interest.
This is utopia, an imposable dream. Science quite clearly shows that humans never act in any manner other than there own interest. The founders realized this, and created a government designed to harness this "selfish evil" and make it virtue.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
I'm am so SICK of the slander directed toward the founding fathers on slavery. They knew then, before they even presented the new Constitution, that they had laid the foundations of the (then) coming civil war.
The Constitution was written in plain English that any common man can read and understand. It has no meaning other than what it so succinctly states. There could be no other interpretation other than all men are created equal and slavery was unconstitutional. That was even before the 14th amendment. The 14th was added to overrule the Dread Scott decision, used along with the bible as justification for slavery by the south.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
You need to read the Constitution sir. There is no mechanism for the people to amend the Constitution. Only the legislative branch or two thirds of the states can call for the amending of the Constitution, to be ratified by the people of no less two thirds of the states. Ratified, not petitioned. The right to petition to redress has nothing to do with amending the Constitution.
Take a step back from the mechanics of the amendment process, and ask yourself if it is a good idea to modify to the Constitution, a document intended to secure our rights from government, to impose the moral prohibitions of one religion on the state? In effect, to use the popular will of the people to force the state government and courts to enforce religious edicts on a minority of other persons. Is that what freedom in America is? Is that really what the Great State of North Carolina really stands for?
If you amend the Constitution, that amendment is not soon removed. So what if your wrong? What if you are a bit wrong headed on this issue? Generations will pay for that mistake, and there is already a law in place prohibiting same sex marriage. A law written by your generation, based on your morals, by citizens you elected to represent us to our republican form of legislative government. A law easily repealed by the next generation; if your morals prove wrong.
That local governed, local democracy, acting responsibly under a Constitution, is constitutional republicanism, our chartered government.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
No sir, you have to let go of the government sponsored education. A Constitutional Republic was the form of government that our founders created. They did examine democracy and rejected it.
Benjamin Franklin when asked what form of government came of the convention replied "a republic Ma'am, if we can keep it."
Benjamin Franklin: " When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." A Cesar (Julius?) said this prior.
John Adams: Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
James Madison: Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.
Benjamin Franklin: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
John Adams: That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.
Thomas Jefferson: All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that through the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
The government has been working hard to make democracy and vetoing equal freedom in the minds of Americans. In fact democracy equals slavery and serfdom to the will of the mob. But forget what moonine and I have to say, just listen to the words not so long written down.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 1 month ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
I am truly amazed at the number of incorrect theories, and statements made about the Constitution by everyday people. I already knew that the morons in Washington were totally ignorant. Now it seems they have captured more minds then their own.
"an authoritarian state that ignores the will of its people, is far more disturbing." Geoff, We are a republic not a democracy. The Republican party, founded as the anti-slavery party, did so on the foundation that our nation is a republic, its justice blind, it's people free and equal under law. You sir, in your statement, all but defines what a democrat is. A panderer to the mindless whims of the masses, otherwise know as democracy. You sir speak of republican ideals, yet demand democratic government.
As for the proponents, this is not a equal rights issue. The law says quite plainly that no citizen may marry another of the same sex. It does not say that Homosexuals may not marry, or that Heterosexuals may marry some one of the same sex. Therefor, both hetero, and homosexuals are equal under law. That completely satisfies the equal protection clause, and privileges and immunities clause of the 14th amendment.
There are better reasons to be for and opposed. I for one am always in favor of increasing individual liberty, regardless if I approve of it's use. It's a bedrock principle of American Jurisprudence: Do not encroach on others liberty.
This is a First Amendment issue, Marriage is both a legal and religious sacrament. If marriage is part of practicing religion than prohibiting it to anyone is a violation of their right to freely practice the religion of their choice. However, nor should a church or parish be forced to act in ways counter to their beliefs.
As for the legal aspects, there is no good reason for government to be certifying marriages. A simple registrar of civil unions can suffice for all legal proceedings regarding dissolution, probate, etc.. Then you can call your union anything you like, a holy marriage before god, your simple vow of commitment to your partner, or even a quack.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 2 months ago
The Bible Offers No Basis for a Gay-Marriage Ban
Deuteronomy
Kill any prophets or "dreamers of dreams" if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5, 18:20
Kill everyone with religious beliefs that are different than your own. (Including your family, friends, and neighbors) 13:6-10, 13:12-16, 17:2-7
If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and "go in unto her." 21:11-14
Rules for a man with two wives: "one beloved, and another hated." 21:15
How to dispose of a hated wife. 22:13-22
Women that wear men's clothing are "abominations unto the Lord." 22:5
Don't "wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together." 22:11
Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. 22:13-21
A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. 22:28-29
You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. 23:1
A bastard can't attend church "even to his tenth generation." 23:2
How to poop in the woods so that God doesn't step in it. 23:12-14
How to divorce your wife if you find "some uncleanness in her." 24:1-4
(Shamelessly copied from the Internets)
Lets codify these biblical prohibitions into law! Because the bible is the word of god, and infallible right? Let's bring stoning back, wouldn't that be great?!
Please, the arguments against, and for gay marriage are both based on flawed assumptions.
Guy_Forks 1 year, 2 months ago
Middle Class, Poor Aren't the Problem
The Democratic and Republicans in power and the media are the real racists. I can tell because when they talk about Americans and how they vote, the first statement is in regards to the voters color. Also, I only hear about race from those in the media and politicians.
As they say, "he who smelt it, dealt it!"
Guy_Forks 1 year, 2 months ago
Middle Class, Poor Aren't the Problem
Jim your use of logic is trite.